Pound for pound my friends admit Im the best fighter out of our entire crew. However, when I (135lb) go to take on a 200 pound jacked mother fucker I get dropped. I fight a Kick boxing style, +knees if Im fighting someone bigger or same size as me, I add wrestling if I think I got the strength to take them down.

Anyone got any tips, videos, training techniques to help me out in these un-even fights?
I also think if I worked on my cardio I'd be much better, but apart from that how the fuck do I take on 200lb monsters?

Judo is your friend.

Combatives were your friend until they became well known.

Modern day advanced MSD is not publicised, but is much so your friend.

Fast thinking and your brain, combined with limited training and a decent understanding of anatomy (think arteries, nerves, tendons, muscles for corking, sternum, testicles, kidneys, eyes) are your friend.

Route learning will not get you anywhere, it is too easy to train against. Develop your own and do not share with anyone in detail.

Body languange, psychology is your best friend. Do not let an enemy be scared of you. Make them cocky.

Personally, I like striking, despise grappling, they say all fights end up on the ground, especially if you knock the bastard attacking you down and don't let him drag you with him.

Train for cardio and muscle endurance, over muscle strength. Eg, 25 reps of 10kg is way better than 5 reps of 50kg, at least IMO. Fitness is very important. So is flexibility.

True story. Met a WW2 vet the other day. The secret mission kind of vet. Pre war he was a judo/wrestler kind of guy. If you can knock someone on the ground, stay standing, and stomp their throat, you have pretty much won.

Not trying to kill people, just make them rember not to fuck with me.
But stomping on their throat seems fun :)

When I work out with weights I dont go past 25lbs, works way better than if I just max out once.

I disagree with both of you. Fighters need a mix of power, endurance, and strength. Many fighters including Evander Holyfield were avid strength trainers, however high repetitions (15+ reps/1 set) are great for muscular endurance. Most fighters try to stay away from the 8-12 range because it has the potential of building bulky muscle that will slow you down, but that all depends on your diet and genetics. Ideally a fight sport athlete should be training his Type IIa muscle fibers (intermediate fast twitch fibers) because they work well for both aerobic and anaerobic activities. If you don't need to maintain a certain weight I would suggest you put a little meat on yourself. 135lbs is a joke for even the most unathletic 200lbs slob.

Poster above, fuck off. Combat is not sport fighting.

Poster above, fuck off. Combat is not sport fighting.

No, but they have a strong correlation. As a matter of fact I would say that athleticism in general correlates with combat ability. Maybe not with proper grappling or striking technique, but technique doesn't mean shit if you don't have power, strength, and endurance. I've seen marines get their ass handed to them by serious athletes. Take a baseball player for instance. There are many plyometric drills that can increase upper body explosiveness. This can be good for hitting and throwing, but also for punching and possibly tackling. The correlation gets stronger as the sport becomes more intense (IE a football player would be a more explosive fighter than a baseball player). This link between sports and combat is obviously ten-fold with a fight sport athlete because it not only teaches athleticism, but also technique. I recognize that there "are no rules in street fighting" and balls, eyes, kidneys and all that other good stuff are fair game. However in a fight between two men with identical combat training, who can inflict more damage depends solely upon athleticism as it relates to explosiveness, strength, and endurance. Furthermore biology is biology. Certain fibers can be trained for certain general activities. If you don't see how fight sports are similar to "combat" (as you so generally phrase it) then you're a fucking idiot. If you did see how they are similar but still deny the correlation then you in turn deny the existence of different muscular fibers.

As a side thought none of your sneaky hand combat moves are any match for my for my Mossberg 500. I could blow your fucking head off before you get close enough to try any of that marine shit

Strength is more important for that, endurance is favored by combat sportsmen. Your cardiovascular/muscular endurance means nothing when you are slow because you are weak as fuck and therefore your punches, takedowns, whatever are all half-assed.

Yes a gun wins hands down 99% of the time. If you are prepared to kill with it, you will win, if you want to take prisoners, it might hader.

I agree with your statement that strength, speed, agility and flexibility are infinitely important.

You could go get yourself a 5dan black belt in something and be fat, and get smashed by a muscular athletic guy with intelligence.

World Karate champions have been destroyed in pub fights, on at least one occasion, by an untrained fighter who did not know who the Karate guy was, had he have known, the psychological edge would have made him lose.

Combat isn't sport fighting though. It is killing as fast as possible.

Personally, as pansy as this sounds, I'd be terrified to fight a trained male ballet danceur, think of all the muscle/free tesosterone/aggression inside them. Not to mention grace and flexibility.

This is what worked for me, developing explosive and endurance strength.

Go for the explosive strength, as fast and as hard as you can, as quick as you can, for a week.

Next week, slow and steady wins the race.

Repeat.

You will have explosive endurance that way.

Yeah you're still a fucking retard but you're pretty much right about that.

This is what worked for me, developing explosive and endurance strength.

Go for the explosive strength, as fast and as hard as you can, as quick as you can, for a week.

Next week, slow and steady wins the race.

Repeat.

You will have explosive endurance that way.

Basic marines and such are taught route learning (from my understanding) and it is a confidence booster more than fight training.

Fitness is hugely important in fighting. It takes a lot of cardio and breath control, especially if you are holding your breath for that explosive power. It's no good being an awesome fighter for 5 seconds compared to a average fighter for 3 minutes.

Fighting sports are about submission. Combat sports are about killing.

I would put money, a trained killer would destroy a trained fighter really quickly, in a fight to the death. Killing is not necessarily defence, but you can use it that way. It would be more aggressive.

Whats a good exercise for those reflex muscles?

clean and jerk, snatch

When you go for runs during training try to set aside a day to go trail running. Pick a slight to moderately seep trail that is not that even ie there are roots, rocks and uneven spots. Run up the trail as you normal would or include surges/sprints to increase explosive power. The down hill portion of the run is really the reflex tester, try to run down the trail as fast as you can without falling on your face. Rapid down hill running on uneven surfaces forces you brain to evaluate a spot to land your foot and quickly place it there.

Try not to brake yourself too much as its bad for your knees and you defiantly want to run with a buddy so if you compound fracture your tibia you don't have to drag your ass back to civilization:D

Try not to brake yourself too much as its bad for your knees and you defiantly want to run with a buddy so if you compound fracture your tibia you don't have to drag your ass back to civilization:D

no thanks, leave me be, i am happy as possible isolated from civilization.

Running through the bush is not recommended. You could hit a rock/hole and break/twist an ankle. Then you are fucked and might die in there. Run up and down hills/roads. Bush running is emergency running.

Want agility? Set up cones and run around them.


Like this:


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that works.

Take glucosamine and Omega 3's to maintain joint/cartilage health.

Training reflexes is not too hard.

Throw a ball at an uneven surface and try and get it before it hits the ground. Some types of computer games are good for reflexes also, but using your muscles is better.

I don't know what reflex muscles are? All muscles are reflex muscles I suppose, like if something is coming at your face you will reflexively put your hands to your face.

IDK wtf they are either. Someone was saying that you need explosive power basically, that comes from reflex muscles.

So I guess that basically means get fast.

Do you actually have any experience in kickboxing or wrestling, or anything like that?
Or are you just a 1337 str33t fight4r?

Like Green And Gold said, Judo would be good, if you don't like grappling, because it allows you to get them down without having to go down yourself.



When I work out with weights I dont go past 25lbs, works way better than if I just max out once.

O lawdy

Bruce Lee weighed 135 pounds...

This (http://fotogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/LiveImages%5CSpor%20Foto%5CTaner%20Sa%C4%9F%C4%B1r %20s%C4%B1f%C4%B1r%20%C3%A7ekti%5CA13145009.jpg) guy weighs 170 pounds, strength is not a determinant of one's muscle mass nor ones bodyweight. Bruce Lee had an alright strength-to-bodyweight ratio and was pretty adamant about strength training, something he engaged in often. Having said that Bruce Lee was an entertainer he would have had his ass kicked by a gang of three fifth graders or your average gym rat, he was not a fighter.

This (http://fotogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/LiveImages%5CSpor%20Foto%5CTaner%20Sa%C4%9F%C4%B1r %20s%C4%B1f%C4%B1r%20%C3%A7ekti%5CA13145009.jpg) guy weighs 170 pounds, strength is not a determinant of one's muscle mass nor ones bodyweight. Bruce Lee had an alright strength-to-bodyweight ratio and was pretty adamant about strength training, something he engaged in often. Having said that Bruce Lee was an entertainer he would have had his ass kicked by a gang of three fifth graders or your average gym rat, he was not a fighter.dude he was an actor but that doesn't mean he wan't a fighter. He perfected his own fighting style. He also new Jun Fan Gung Fu,Jeet Kune Do, and Jujitsu.
www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Lee#Martial_arts_training_and_development
Let me guess, you are an expert on hand to hand combat nd martial arts now right? Lets see your credentials?
where have you trained? By who? how long have you trained? What have you trained in?

Bruce Lee wasn't a fighter, like most martial artists, he simply sparred with other people and engaged in physical activity, much of it for no reason at all other than to maintain his low bodyfat for his films. He may have created an art, but that does not make one a fighter, a fighter is someone who engages in fights regularly. Raymond Washington was a fighter, and he most certainly would have beaten the shit out of any martial artist alive as martial artists train to compete with/spar with other martial artists the shit they do in their gyms has nothing to do with actual combat. I will repeat, martial artists train to compete/spar with people who are using the exact same rigid styles (regardless of the art) what they do is nothing like an actual fight. Someone who grew up on the streets and regularly fought to defend their reputation is a fighter, martial arts are more of a cultural art and a rekindling of ancient/useless fighting styles of medieval times, or in many cases simply a business with which one can elevate oneself and acquire significant wealth. Martial arts (disregarding weapon shit) are a lot like the military combatives of today they weren't really used for any purpose other than self-confidence or bravado.

Bruce Lee was an entertainer first and foremost I'm not even going to argue with your fat faggot ass because you're only following me around with the intention of instigation. As far as your comments regarding credentials, I have none, and I'm quite proud of that.

Bruce Lee wasn't a fighter, like most martial artists, he simply sparred with other people and engaged in physical activity, much of it for no reason at all other than to maintain his low bodyfat for his films. He may have created an art, but that does not make one a fighter, a fighter is someone who engages in fights regularly. Raymond Washington was a fighter, and he most certainly would have beaten the shit out of any martial artist alive as martial artists train to compete with/spar with other martial artists the shit they do in their gyms has nothing to do with actual combat. I will repeat, martial artists train to compete/spar with people who are using the exact same rigid styles (regardless of the art) what they do is nothing like an actual fight. Someone who grew up on the streets and regularly fought to defend their reputation is a fighter, martial arts are more of a cultural art and a rekindling of ancient/useless fighting styles of medieval times, or in many cases simply a business with which one can elevate oneself and acquire significant wealth. Martial arts (disregarding weapon shit) are a lot like the military combatives of today they weren't really used for any purpose other than self-confidence or bravado.

Bruce Lee was an entertainer first and foremost I'm not even going to argue with your fat faggot ass because you're only following me around with the intention of instigation. As far as your comments regarding credentials, I have none, and I'm quite proud of that.Lol I am not following you around, if I was following you around I would go down your post list and post in every thread and forum you post in. i think bruce lee was into philosophy more than anything.

and about your credentials, THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT.

I have wrestling expierience, and kick boxing. But that wasnt for too long, I know the basics. Otherwise Im a 1337 Str33t f1ght3r as you calls it.

I have wrestling expierience, and kick boxing. But that wasnt for too long, I know the basics. Otherwise Im a 1337 Str33t f1ght3r as you calls it.

i wasn't asking you. i am asking martian becuase he acts like an expert whn it comes to everything and he is all talk with nothing to back it up credential wise.

That's funny, I could have sworn that to this day I did nothing but give my opinion to this forum and you were the one who questioned me every consecutive time. Where are your credentials? Since you are foolish enough to believe in such a concept.

That's funny, I could have sworn that to this day I did nothing but give my opinion to this forum and you were the one who questioned me every consecutive time. Where are your credentials? Since you are foolish enough to believe in such a concept.

I am not trying to act like I know hand to hand combat so I don't need any. I am sure bruce would have beat the shit out of your fat ass.

i am refering to this thread:
www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2181007&page=2

Another occasion where you come in and act like you know it all.

Once again mr. EXPERT lets hear yours. I want to hear about all this training and schooling you have been through. Since you also have superior marksmanship training than any military could give lets hear about that also. let see you are an expert at metal working and armor making s lets hear that also.

oh and you are a expert at identifying if a barb is a fish hook barb or some other kind of barb?

i wasn't asking you. i am asking martian becuase he acts like an expert whn it comes to everything and he is all talk with nothing to back it up credential wise.

I was the one who asked him.

I was the one who asked him.

Oh ok my bad.

look dude, I did some mma when I was a bit younger and am a marine right now, I dont know what kind of credibility that has but as an infantry guy we get taught some nice shit to fuck up bad guys if it comes down to hand to hand. If you weigh 135 there is practically no way you are gonna get the drop on the big guys 200 lbs plus, try to start lifting weights. cheap shots always work and remember that anything can be used as a weapon. if you have to, tackle the guy in his knees and break them, or stick your finger in his eye socket or learn some muscular gouging. that shit really fucks people up. but for the most part, with such a vast weight difference, your screwed

However, when I (135lb) go to take on a 200 pound jacked mother fucker I get dropped.

Kid, you want to win fights against large muscular adults, try not being a skinny fourteen year old.

Eat more, eat a hell of a lot more and drink a gallon of milk a day. Take glucosamine and fish oil.

Read Starting Strength and do it.

http://rapidshare.com/files/165595969/ss2nde_beta3.pdf

http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Starting_Strength_Wiki

Bruce Lee wasn't a fighter, like most martial artists, he simply sparred with other people and engaged in physical activity, much of it for no reason at all other than to maintain his low bodyfat for his films. He may have created an art, but that does not make one a fighter, a fighter is someone who engages in fights regularly. Raymond Washington was a fighter, and he most certainly would have beaten the shit out of any martial artist alive as martial artists train to compete with/spar with other martial artists the shit they do in their gyms has nothing to do with actual combat. I will repeat, martial artists train to compete/spar with people who are using the exact same rigid styles (regardless of the art) what they do is nothing like an actual fight. Someone who grew up on the streets and regularly fought to defend their reputation is a fighter, martial arts are more of a cultural art and a rekindling of ancient/useless fighting styles of medieval times, or in many cases simply a business with which one can elevate oneself and acquire significant wealth. Martial arts (disregarding weapon shit) are a lot like the military combatives of today they weren't really used for any purpose other than self-confidence or bravado.

Bruce Lee was an entertainer first and foremost I'm not even going to argue with your fat faggot ass because you're only following me around with the intention of instigation. As far as your comments regarding credentials, I have none, and I'm quite proud of that.


Bruce Lee was challenged to fights on more than one occasion while on the set for movies. He won every fight. Stop being an eHardass.

There are rumors he did.

And there's no real proof that he's not a "good" fighter, so stop raging on him for no reason.

Bruce Lee moves faster than anyone I've seen. He challenged the whole concept of whether a bigger muscle is stronger than a smaller muscle. I have not seen a body better than Bruce Lee's. I have not heard anything better than his water philosophy.

MMA guys = slow. slow slow slow, boring as hell to watch, undisciplined, angry, emotional and gay.

MMA + BJJ = deadly streetfighter.

spar with dudes bigger than that, way bigger, really, it helps.:)

oh and Bruce Lee was a fighter, Dana White called him 'the father of MMA', he broke a mans back ON SET in a sparring match when the parapalegic to be went too far, as a matter of fact, just google it.

I'm just shy of 5'6" and 150lb (waist 32", chest 42"). So I have some experience with taking on larger guys.

I grew up getting the shit kicked out of me by my older brother and his friends. I started fencing and did that for 5 years. I was state level and dear lord was I fast. I attended a fencing school that also taught historical fencing with various swords and daggers. I took some classes in these, as well as western quarterstaff.

When I was seventeen, I fought a ~200lb drug dealer who gave my girlfriend heroin*. We were both hospitalized, mainly thanks to the improvisation of weapons throughout the disagreement. I was sitting down when the ambo's got there; he was unconscious. I was using a string of Tibetan prayer flags as a makeshift tourniquet around my arm, so I really wasn't doing that much better. On the other hand, I was in hospital 36 hours (knife wounds to the arm and thigh). He was there for weeks (11 ribs, jaw and humerus broken by a bar stool, never mind the contusions and laceration).

During my first year at university, I joined a group of acquaintances in a spot of semi organized bare knuckle boxing. Three of my five matches were against opponents much larger than me (up to ~280lb). I ended up 4-0-1. My agility and speed allowed me to dictate the pace of the fights and wear my opponents down.

I had opportunity to receive a crash course in combatives from a former (Rhodesian) SAS soldier and his similarly qualified co-workers over the span of 3 weeks. I learned some very unfriendly stuff.

I've applied some of that stuff, specifically a left tiger claw to the face/eyes then a right cross to the newly exposed throat. I also used less damaging techniques to subdue a very large friend, a night club bouncer, when he went berserk.

My point is that lack of size has its advantages. If you've got a guard up, most taller guys punches, coming as they do from above, will have trouble doing anything but sliding off your shoulders, forearms and the top of your head. Your punches, coming from below, are well placed to attack the throat and jaw. You're also probably more agile than bigger guys and it's often this agility that will take the force out of a punch you receive.

Most people are able to apply the necessary force to gouge an eye, rupture a testicle, crush a trachea, rupture a carotid or relocate a patella. When you're doing that sort of stuff, it's more speed and accuracy than raw power. A trained or lucky 135lb man can kill a 200lb man. Beating him down would be rather more difficult. I wouldn't set your hopes on doing that consistently.

Fighting in the street is bad juju. Really, you should avoid it like herpes. You cannot gain from it. You wager health, life and possibly liberty against an ego boost.There are sometimes situations where fighting is unavoidable, but these are very rare and really aren't so much fighting as defending yourself.

It occurs to me that I just assumed you were short rather than tall and skinny... May I also ask how old you are?

*Don't ask... I might mention that he was imprisoned, I was not charged and having kicked the bad habits, the girl is now in her last year of a law degree.

P.S. Christ, I ramble on sometimes.

^^^^
6'0 135lb 16yo

speed is something I got, problem is not always the strength, and definatly not the endurance I need.

Wait a couple of years. You'll probably fill out rather impressively. Then you'll have a better chance of going toe to toe. Aside from that, just train for strength and endurance.

Damn, 6' 135lbs?! You should take up boxing asap.

That's some fucking reach advantage.

I'm 6' and I fight in 147, two classes above 135 and I have a huge reach advantage.

And back on topic, you need to learn how to move. Lateral movements and pivots are your friend. You're going to want to keep this guy standing up, if it gets to the ground it'll be over for you, all that weight and you're screwed. Standing up, you can hit faster, possibly from further away if you're taller, and you can be untouched.

If you've taken kickboxing hopefully they taught you how to punch correctly, snap your punches, turn your feet in on certain punches, etc. If you've gone through that training really, you should have this guy on your feet. Just give him a 1-2 step to the outside of his left and start throwing more punches then stay back. Stay on your toes and stay out of his reach, if you've gotta retreat some try to back up in different directions. Also, don't stop moving for this guy, only stop moving to throw a few punches then move!

Good luck.

^ If you take MMA then you could most likely hold your own if it does to the ground.

Bruce Lee moves faster than anyone I've seen. He challenged the whole concept of whether a bigger muscle is stronger than a smaller muscle. I have not seen a body better than Bruce Lee's. I have not heard anything better than his water philosophy.

MMA guys = slow. slow slow slow, boring as hell to watch, undisciplined, angry, emotional and gay.


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^ If you take MMA then you could most likely hold your own if it does to the ground.

Against a 200 pound man?
It would take some time for him to get that good if he stays at 135.

130 and 6'? WTF!? Dude a pissed off 4th grader is gonna break you in half.

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Against a 200 pound man?
It would take some time for him to get that good if he stays at 135.Yea, but I mean he's not going to go out and fight a 200 pound man as soon as he reads my post ..



The BJJ incorporated into MMA is really helpful, someone tackles you, you sprawl, they're on the ground, you take the back then RNC or just backmount and start elbowing them in the skull.



*premade fight strategies ftw

Bruce Lee wasn't a fighter, like most martial artists, he simply sparred with other people and engaged in physical activity, much of it for no reason at all other than to maintain his low bodyfat for his films. He may have created an art, but that does not make one a fighter, a fighter is someone who engages in fights regularly. Raymond Washington was a fighter, and he most certainly would have beaten the shit out of any martial artist alive as martial artists train to compete with/spar with other martial artists the shit they do in their gyms has nothing to do with actual combat. I will repeat, martial artists train to compete/spar with people who are using the exact same rigid styles (regardless of the art) what they do is nothing like an actual fight. Someone who grew up on the streets and regularly fought to defend their reputation is a fighter, martial arts are more of a cultural art and a rekindling of ancient/useless fighting styles of medieval times, or in many cases simply a business with which one can elevate oneself and acquire significant wealth. Martial arts (disregarding weapon shit) are a lot like the military combatives of today they weren't really used for any purpose other than self-confidence or bravado.

Bruce Lee was an entertainer first and foremost I'm not even going to argue with your fat faggot ass because you're only following me around with the intention of instigation. As far as your comments regarding credentials, I have none, and I'm quite proud of that.

Maybe you should shut the fuck up until you have any experience of your own. 99.9% of your post is wrong.

Telling me to shut the fuck up might have had some pugnacity had you done it when I made that post last week. What exactly is your experience again? Shut the fuck up jackass?

130 and 6'? WTF!? Dude a pissed off 4th grader is gonna break you in half.

you must know some rather fierce 4th graders

Telling me to shut the fuck up might have had some pugnacity had you done it when I made that post last week. What exactly is your experience again? Shut the fuck up jackass?

This is a forum, not msn. I didn't read the thread a week ago. Your opinion in your other post is that of a kid who has no experience in or knowledge of any martial art. What do you base any of it on? TV? I probably wouldn't have bothered responding but what you said about Bruce Lee pissed me off. Go do some reading about him maybe. And go into a martial arts club and tell them that they can't fight.

My experience? I'm coming up on 8 years training. I've been a member of a few clubs and my highest grade is 1st dan in a TKD club. Was assistant instructor at that one near the end of my time there so took the class reasonably often

Anyone got any tips... ? how the fuck do... I (135lb)... take on 200lb monsters?

1. Devote your life to the psychotically determined study of jyudo. Now.

2. Devote your life to the psychotically determined study of aikido. Now.

The only way you're going to win when your 135 lbs of weight clashes against 200 lbs of weight in a direct contest is if it... keeps going sailing right past you and into the ground. 'n much as jujitsu isn't so much "a study of all things martial" as it is "a martial study of the joints in human anatomy," and much as kara tejitsu is not so much "a study of all things martial" as it is "a study of delivering force to specific points through techniques of striking"... so too is aikido not, say, a study of striking, so much as... the study of failing to pit force against force, and just letting it sail past and bash it's own self into the ground.

That's your only damned hope in a weight-contest fighting technique. That or sudden obesity.

The judo's just in there because it's one of the martial disciplines in which the lower center of gravity damn near always wins. 'n if...

when I (135lb) go

^^ that... is your correct bodyweight, I pray to fuck that you're under six feet tall.

Now, normally, I wouldn't reccomend these two as "the end-all be-all of all things combat," even though I like them, and in other cases, if someone asked me "what two fighting styles should I study at the same time," I would not group those two together - they come too close to the same philosophy.

However...

Pound for pound my friends admit Im the best fighter out of our entire crew.

^^ if that's something that's true, and not something your friends say because you're a two foot tall anorexic dwarf and they take pity on you, then you don't so much need to learn combat as you need to learn how to overcome your size disadvantages... in both mass and, presumably, height.

Well, the answer is to not pit 135 lbs against 200 lbs in a shoving match. That's exactly what aikido teaches. The jyudo is just to maximize on your size advantage over your opponent...

...unless you're a seven foot tall emaciated ethiopian, of course. Keep practicing knocking people about the head while you work on tuning your combat style to your body's size. It's still pretty useful, lol, and you wouldn't want to forget it.