Ok, it's time for swim's annual request for new extracts. Anybody hear or stumble across any usefull methods for the extraction and cleaning of Pse? If a swim doesn't want a method posted and hence blown, the e-mail works 24 hours a day. Swim would be willing to trade secrets.

Ok, it's time for swim's annual request for new extracts. Anybody hear or stumble across any usefull methods for the extraction and cleaning of Pse? If a swim doesn't want a method posted and hence blown, the e-mail works 24 hours a day. Swim would be willing to trade secrets.

Hello,

Do you mind posting what your pills contains to start?

Also i would highly recommend starting form plant matter..wayy easier!

Hey, dreamalot, long time no see! And to answer your question, from what I hear, most pills are backing out of the gakk game because of strict purchase enforcement giving them that extra leeway. I've heard of methanol pulls working again on some. But who knows. I don't fuck with that shit.


But yeah, plant matter FTW. Cheap, available, high in alkaloidal goodness.

Thanks for the advice, but swims only doing small dreams these days. A ball or two. It seems like a big hassle to fuck with the plants. However, new knowledge is always a good thing, so where does the research start on alkaloids?

Thanks for the advice, but swims only doing small dreams these days. A ball or two. It seems like a big hassle to fuck with the plants. However, new knowledge is always a good thing, so where does the research start on alkaloids?

I don't know where your located, but local Chinese herbal shops are your bet :p

Good luck!

Try a decending chromotography thru a tall tube using alumina powder for shits & giggles.

Asian herbal shops, eh? Would one just walk into such a shop and ask for ephedra or is there a more subtle way to do it? I have liked the idea of starting with plant matter, but due to the 2005 ban, figured I would have to source online from shady people.

Asian herbal shops, eh? Would one just walk into such a shop and ask for ephedra or is there a more subtle way to do it? I have liked the idea of starting with plant matter, but due to the 2005 ban, figured I would have to source online from shady people.

Are you serious..come dude..little imagination?

No, swim agrees with the hydroponichroniced one.
"Hello, you slant-eyed motherfucker. Could you please direct me to where you keep your ephedra? Do you happen to sell in bulk? How much bulk? Well I don't know. How much do you carry?"

Still with pills? P2P no driving around to stores, no buying pills, no documentation, no extracing\cleaning pills..... just lotsa go fast

still with pills? P2p no driving around to stores, no buying pills, no documentation, no extracting\cleaning pills..... Just lotsa go fast55555

That is something swim has been researching for the past 6 months, and he still feels no closer today than he did in June. It's that whole lack of formal training. And the cost of living that precludes purchasing the equipment needed. Have any tips?

And why the hell hasn't anyone started a New Years thread yet?

That is something swim has been researching for the past 6 months, and he still feels no closer today than he did in June. It's that whole lack of formal training. And the cost of living that precludes purchasing the equipment needed. Have any tips?

And why the hell hasn't anyone started a New Years thread yet?

P2P is not all that hard. It does take some research and different reading. Depends where you are and want:

If you have lots of space, then you can go industrial (Low yield but easy precursor)

or

A bit of sourcing and go "precise" (this is what you wanna aim).

My best advice is: Look for what is available first hand to you, find a synthesis to match it and then perform it or source anything maniacally where you can. i litteraly can't get function until i figured out everything for my synth.

Eitherways, look at some of my older post and grab some stuff from the hive archive by a swim called twodogs and the read around..it is where it is at!

OR if your feeling bad ass..form toluene ;)

(in before cyanides and chlorination and death)

Ps: I know this is confusing..just put up with me :(

Ok, State of Hack. You seem to be up on this. So what do you recommmend in the way of a plausible MDMA synth? Tweak can be cranked out no problem. But swim has a couple of girls breathing down his neck for skittles, and he's tired of wearing out his cell sourcing.
The myriad synths swim's studied doesn't look that difficult, but he would like an experienced hand in the matter. Maybe a point in the right direction concerning the correct equipment. What is absolutely essential and what is a luxury. We're playing with a limited budget here. And a reccomendation on the CORRECT reading material would be indispensible. A tip in reagents would be nice too, but swim can sweat out a viable source if he has to.
Does anybody here have the experience swida's lacking in this matter?

I know the question wasn't aimed at me, but being in America, I say try to find a natural source of sassafras trees, specifically their rootbark, and work on building a fucking huge steam distillation setup. Like, 50 - 100kg at once.

Actually, swim's been told by several people saffrole in small amount can be sourced on the web.

Actually, swim's been told by several people saffrole in small amount can be sourced on the web.

Yep, true as far as I know. I've only seen pure safrole in two places, one of which was apparently DEA bait, and the other looked dodgy as hell, and besides, ordering safrole is even more dodgy than ordering sassafras rootbark oil. If you do order in quantities above ... a litre, then I recommend getting a friend with no criminal record or ordering history to order it to their house, and that you shouldn't even so much as consider buying the PdCl or the hydroquinnone over the net. It might be paranoia, it might be overkill, but frankly its worth the ball ache to stay safe.

There are easier ways, not necessarily cheaper, of acquiring sassafras oil without ringing the alarm bells. The steam distillation of shedloads of rootbark is probably the cheaper but certainly not easier.

Yep, true as far as I know. I've only seen pure safrole in two places, one of which was apparently DEA bait, and the other looked dodgy as hell, and besides, ordering safrole is even more dodgy than ordering sassafras rootbark oil. If you do order in quantities above ... a litre, then I recommend getting a friend with no criminal record or ordering history to order it to their house, and that you shouldn't even so much as consider buying the PdCl or the hydroquinnone over the net. It might be paranoia, it might be overkill, but frankly its worth the ball ache to stay safe.

There are easier ways, not necessarily cheaper, of acquiring sassafras oil without ringing the alarm bells. The steam distillation of shedloads of rootbark is probably the cheaper but certainly not easier.

That is very true. Swim has sourced a few cheap plants that can be ordered openly, and supposedly yield very high amounts of saffrole (60%). Then it is just the matter of getting a big enough flask and the time.

Swim's just looking to start out small at the moment until a viable synth can be threased out. He's only interested in a few hundred mls of saffrole. Some of the other chemicals may pose a problem. Swim actually knows someone that has claimed to have sourced Nitroethane. And by sourced, swim means purchased.

Same about the nitroethane man, might even be the same person. :)

Ok, State of Hack. You seem to be up on this. So what do you recommmend in the way of a plausible MDMA synth? Tweak can be cranked out no problem. But swim has a couple of girls breathing down his neck for skittles, and he's tired of wearing out his cell sourcing.
The myriad synths swim's studied doesn't look that difficult, but he would like an experienced hand in the matter. Maybe a point in the right direction concerning the correct equipment. What is absolutely essential and what is a luxury. We're playing with a limited budget here. And a reccomendation on the CORRECT reading material would be indispensible. A tip in reagents would be nice too, but swim can sweat out a viable source if he has to.
Does anybody here have the experience swida's lacking in this matter?

Get your own work done :mad:!

Nah, just joking, i mean, what i recommend is starting off by securing some sassafras oil and a good vac pump. I mean you could work with mystirin..look into it!

The methods are there, its nothing new, it just takes some thinking.. :)...oh and for the nitroethane...in the US it is more avaible then you think. You will be damn surprised if you do some searching where your going to find it!

The documentation and methodology is all there; just cross-reference and look up EVERYTHING it says everywhere you can to work out viabilities; accuracy and relative safety (legal and physical)...

Absolutely correct. But alot of the literature variates itself when it doesn't outright contradict. Also some of these synths had to have been performed by dreamers with a doctorate in organic chemistry. It's truly amazing what some people have come up with, if you take it for granted what they write is true.

Swim's looking for a tried and true route, not any handouts. Right now he's researching what equipment he is going to need, in persuance with the particular method he's going to use. He has resigned himself to the fact his current distillation kit isn't going to cut it. A major upgrade is going to be needed.

I have liked the idea of starting with plant matter, but due to the 2005 ban, figured I would have to source online from shady people.

If I'm remembering your location correctly - and I might not be - you just have to walk out your front door. Look for the most common weed in the area. High yields due to excellent growing conditions, even...

...could've been someone else, though. If so, plants are sometimes worth a road trip if you're on the same continent. In fact, there are some beautiful circuts around there...

What is absolutely essential and what is a luxury. We're playing with a limited budget here.

Pound of cheap-ass coffee : $1.50
A couple tablespoons of baking soda : $0.01
Fine homemade moonshine : $0.40
Bottle of household ammonia : $1.00
Laundry detergent : $2.00
Bleach : $2.00

Total : $6.51

An ounce of 3,4-dihydroxyphenyl-2-propanone?

Not priceless, but a hell of a lot more than $6.51

Coffee + lye (which can be made from baking soda, water, and an oven) = 3,4-dihydroxybenzaldehyde. Everything else on the list is about the nitroethane. Do a forum search for "space factory" for half of it and check one of the stickies that's not the BS thread for the borax + ethoxime = nitroethane bits.

Now, when it comes to methylenating the catechol, you have a lot of options about DCM. Sorting through paint thinners is more expensive but less work. Crude industrial halogenations are cheap as fuck but an unpleasant shitload of work - it just sort of pumps out a crude bunch of crap from chloromethane to tetrachloromethane and leaves you to distill out the bitchin' carcinogens in order, yay. Great for industrial manufacture, 'cause they're all useful, bad for getting a specific one, 'cause it's a scattershot of random crap...

Oh, and the most common routes have you heating dangerous gases under pressure, too.

I've got the glimmerings of an unfounded idea for a route as specific to DCM as the haloform reaction and alcohol halogenation is to its neighbors, but I'm obviously not going to post it while it's still completely unfounded and with no basis, am I? So... you've got the choice of spending more than the cost of the rest of such operation on paint thinner and hoping you got the right one, or going through dangerous and labor-intensive industrial process for a non-industrial solution.

a-halogenation of acetic acid and decarboxylation can take away some of the hassles of the latter, but you're still likely to be coming out with "mixed crap" to clean up. It's basically the same process in a liquid phase instead of a gaseous phase - at least if your stream of Cl2 will dissolve properly...

If I'm remembering your location correctly - and I might not be - you just have to walk out your front door. Look for the most common weed in the area. High yields due to excellent growing conditions, even...

...could've been someone else, though. If so, plants are sometimes worth a road trip if you're on the same continent. In fact, there are some beautiful circuts around there...
Northern Illinois? I'm near shit-tons of sassafras, but not ephedra, to my knowledge... But out of curiosity, where are these fields of which you speak?

Pound of cheap-ass coffee : $1.50
A couple tablespoons of baking soda : $0.01
Fine homemade moonshine : $0.40
Bottle of household ammonia : $1.00
Laundry detergent : $2.00
Bleach : $2.00

Total : $6.51

An ounce of 3,4-dihydroxyphenyl-2-propanone?

Not priceless, but a hell of a lot more than $6.51
^^^FTW

But out of curiosity, where are these fields of which you speak?

Note to self; it was obviously someone else who claimed to come from Utah...

Incidentally, the entire aforementioned state was, in fact, ordained by gawd to be nothing more than a giant fucking meth lab. If you get cut off from civilization, the only thing there IS to eat in the fucking wild is pounds of god-damned ephedra.

You, otoh, are going to have to abuse cinnamon, because if you actually use safrole to form propenylbenzene, I promise you on my mother's grave that hordes of ravers will find you and hurt you, for the good of human civilization....

...well... cinnamon, or almond, or sawdust, or toluene, or rose water, or god knows what. 'n if you use rose water, you're going to need a whole fucking lot.

:D

Note to self; it was obviously someone else who claimed to come from Utah...

Incidentally, the entire aforementioned state was, in fact, ordained by gawd to be nothing more than a giant fucking meth lab. If you get cut off from civilization, the only thing there IS to eat in the fucking wild is pounds of god-damned ephedra.

You, otoh, are going to have to abuse cinnamon, because if you actually use safrole to form propenylbenzene, I promise you on my mother's grave that hordes of ravers will find you and hurt you, for the good of human civilization....

...well... cinnamon, or almond, or sawdust, or toluene, or rose water, or god knows what. 'n if you use rose water, you're going to need a whole fucking lot.

:D

Thanks. But that's not really funny, y'know?

You, otoh, are going to have to abuse cinnamon, because if you actually use safrole to form propenylbenzene, I promise you on my mother's grave that hordes of ravers will find you and hurt you, for the good of human civilization....

Oh heavens no. I just mentioned it as one of the perks of living in this great state (or most of the north Midwest, lol).