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RabidZombie
2008-12-29, 09:29
Does anyone know of any decent world war 2 movies from the point of view of the Germans or the Japanese? I need something new, tired of seeing the same old war movies about how evil the Nazis were.

Actually, as an alternative, does anyone know of any war movies set in WW1?

Hippieloveisback
2008-12-29, 09:37
WW1? Gallipoli?

:confused:

Aussie propaganda they show us in high school.

Gith
2008-12-29, 14:44
"Stalingrad" is from the German point of view I think (and is pretty good).

I'll add any more if I remember - seem to recall one set in WWI trenches with Germans.

Edit: What about the recent Clint Eastwood one? He did Flags of our Fathers from the US side and one from the Jap side didn't he?

Also - the Nazis were pretty evil, no? It's not just propaganda like the US making out they won the war singlehandedly in most Hollywood etc. stuff. Maybe not at footsoldier level so much but certainly the government as a whole was "evil".

DrZeusDrZeus
2008-12-29, 14:45
Europa Europa

About a jew that joins the hitler jungen

Dre Crabbe
2008-12-29, 18:20
I'll add any more if I remember - seem to recall one set in WWI trenches with Germans.



All Quiet on the Western Front?

Bckpckr
2008-12-29, 18:29
^ Probably. Unfortunately I don't think either of the two major movies based on the novel have done good justice to the book, awesome though the first one may be.

OP - check out the anime Grave of the Fireflies.

Aquabania
2008-12-29, 18:29
you should really check out Der Untergang (sp?), it's about Hitler's final days in his bunker as the Russians closed in. Not too much pew-pew but it's fantastically well done.

Also check out Das Boot, about German submariners.

and Letters from Iwo Jima.

Bckpckr
2008-12-29, 18:31
Also check out Das Boot, about German submariners.
Fucking Christ how did I forget about this one. I remember reading about the making of that film, apparently they kept the actors in confined, lightless headquarters for a good while to make sure they looked authentic.

Bckpckr
2008-12-29, 18:32
Now that I think about it OP should also check out Enemy at the Gates, about a Russian vs. German sniper duel at the battle of Leningrad.

RabidZombie
2008-12-29, 21:10
Now that I think about it OP should also check out Enemy at the Gates, about a Russian vs. German sniper duel at the battle of Leningrad.

Yeah I've seen that one, Thanks for all the replies.

I remember seeing a movie a while ago about some nazi soldier that was taken into a POW camp, I can't remember the name, anybody know what movie I'm talking about?

DarthVader77
2008-12-29, 22:33
das boot was really good.

tora! tora! tora! is a good movie about pearl harbor, but from the japs perspective.

pahqman
2008-12-29, 23:47
swing kids... ?

parkus
2008-12-29, 23:55
Was 'Tora! Tora! Tora!' from the Jap side or both?

niggersexual
2008-12-30, 01:54
The McKenzie Break. It's another POW movie except the prisoners are Germans.

Death Insurance
2008-12-30, 02:48
Also check out Das Boot, about German submariners.

I might have liked Das Boot if the director's cut wasn't three hours long.

Valkyrie, the new one with Tom Cruise, has Nazis trying to kill Hitler.
Yamato, telling the story of the battleship Yamato.
Downfall, which depicts Hitler's last 12 days.

DarthVader77
2008-12-30, 05:22
Was 'Tora! Tora! Tora!' from the Jap side or both?

i think the japs side. it might have shown parts of the americans, but the preparations and events leading up to the attack are japanese perspective.

mr.blunt
2008-12-30, 20:05
Haven't seen it yet, but Passchendaele looked like it might be a decent WW1 movie.

parkus
2008-12-31, 02:41
i think the japs side. it might have shown parts of the americans, but the preparations and events leading up to the attack are japanese perspective.

I thought so, great film anyway - one the best Pacific War films.

Rocko
2009-01-01, 06:34
Letters from Iwo Jima is an excellent movie, I recommend it.

Mutant Funk Drink
2009-01-02, 23:29
Enemy at the Gates was pretty good.

Rawk
2009-01-03, 20:17
I Second Downfall and Das Boot, Stalingrad is so so.
Enemy at the Gates is a piece of shit.
And for the record its the USSR or the Soviet Union, not Russia! There were plenty of Ukrainians/Georgians/Kazakhs/Belorussians etc.

Bckpckr
2009-01-03, 23:57
Enemy at the Gates is a piece of shit.
Rationale?

Rawk
2009-01-04, 11:08
A) Its horrifically historically inaccurate to the point of offensiveness.

B) They wasted an incredible opportunity - Stalingrad was an astounding event that has no equal in the terms of action on the western front, the location for the great majority of World War II films.
It was practically made for the screen: assault teams raiding buildings with flamethrowers, hand to hand battles in the street, Pavlov's house etc. Instead they decided to go with scenes of Commissars using the seemingly only heavy machine gun available to the Red Army to massacre their own troops. It doesn't capture Stalingrad as a historical event at all, I would be amazed if anyone who watched the film had even the faintest idea of the course of the battle.

C) Rachel Weiss and Jude Law were wooden throughout, the 'love triangle' just didn't work for me at all.

D) That the commissar in the love triangle repents Marxist-Leninism because he is sexually jealous of Zaitsev and thus decides to kill himself is frankly absurd.

Bckpckr
2009-01-04, 14:09
While I agree with point A, that the story of EatG is based on fiction (Zaitsev saying in his memoir only that he was up against a very skilled sniper), I will contend point B - it sounds almost as though you're bitching that the movie wasted any future opportunity to make films about Stalingrad. Come on, man! Though I do agree few that saw the film know anything about the eastern front.

(And in consideration of such I recommend anyone interested in learning about the battle read Stalingrad by Michael K. Jones)

Point C, yes, the characters are rather one dimensional.

That the commissar in the love triangle repents Marxist-Leninism because he is sexually jealous of Zaitsev and thus decides to kill himself is frankly absurd.
To a certain degree I agree. In that regard however I will say that the film started off on the wrong foot to begin with and should have portrayed Danilov as most Commissars probably were - going with the flow though they may not have necessarily agreed, because to do so otherwise meant death.

Enemy at the Gates is by no means a great movie, but to call it "a piece of shit" is quite ridiculous.

Rawk
2009-01-04, 14:58
While I agree with point A, that the story of EatG is based on fiction (Zaitsev saying in his memoir only that he was up against a very skilled sniper),



That isn't the point, while there isn't much concrete evidence for the sniper duel between Zaitsev and this German ace, its a good story and I have no problem with a film retelling it.

It is the scenes of mass shootings and panic stricken, incompetent conscripts, of cowardly commisars whose sole responsibility seems to be shooting Red Army troops. It contributes to this historically inaccurate bullshit myth that the the Soviet Union only beat Nazi Germany by sending wave after wave of unarmed, unskilled peasants against the superior Wehrmacht forces. Stalingrad was won by stalwart resistance of Chuikov's 62nd in defence against greater numbers of German Forces while troops were mobilized for the encirclement.


I will contend point B - it sounds almost as though you're bitching that the movie wasted any future opportunity to make films about Stalingrad. Come on, man! Though I do agree few that saw the film know anything about the eastern front.


The problem is that instead of focusing on the more interesting/entertaining tales of heroism of Red Army troops they replaced this with the fictitious bullshit I discuss above. It just comes across as a propaganda piece against the USSR which tries to tell the audience that nobody believed in communism and that except for this one sniper the Red Army was highly incompetent.
Imagine Saving Private Ryan without its famous D-Day opening sequence replaced instead with scenes focusing on the high percentage of African American soldiers executed for rape (although this was actually true so its not a great analogy)
Not only is this insulting to the men and women who fought and died in Stalingrad it has a detremental effect on the films narrative as we are left wondering how in the hell the Red Army have emerged victorious at the end.


(And in consideration of such I recommend anyone interested in learning about the battle read Stalingrad by Michael K. Jones)

I'd highly recommend Anthony Beevor's Stalingrad, he's a very entertaining writer and he presents a very fair picture of both sides which is almost unique among bourgeois historians.


To a certain degree I agree. In that regard however I will say that the film started off on the wrong foot to begin with and should have portrayed Danilov as most Commissars probably were - going with the flow though they may not have necessarily agreed, because to do so otherwise meant death.


I'm always amazed as this liberal viewpoint among those in the west who find it incomprehensible that anyone could actually believe in ideologies that aren't their own. Do you think human nature makes everyone a natural subscriber to capitalism and bourgeois democracy? Are/were members of Hamas/the Waffen SS/the volunteer brigades of the Spanish civil war - just "going with the flow"?


Enemy at the Gates is by no means a great movie, but to call it "a piece of shit" is quite ridiculous.

I've given my reasons why I think the film is bad, and you seem to have agreed with most of them, why don't you list some of the films strengths?

john_deer
2009-01-09, 03:34
Tora Tora! - Japanese Pearl Harbour

Life is beautiful - Not an action movie but set in WW2. About a Jewish dad and son in a concentration camp.

BSK
2009-01-13, 19:38
Valkyrie, the new one with Tom Cruise, has Nazis trying to kill Hitler.


did you seriously name a film made by the scientology propaganda minister as a film from the german perspective? :rolleyes: oh and rawk, you should really take a closer look into russian death tolls and their equipment in ww2. especially your description of the situation at stalingrad is complete bullshit and mixing up facts ..



films that I think of:
ww2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Br%C3%BCcke_(film)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalingrad_(film)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Iron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemens_Forell
the last film is like the fate my grandfather went through. luckily, because otherwise my mom had not been born ..

ww1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Quiet_on_the_Western_Front_(1930_film)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Baron_(film)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyeux_No%C3%ABl

Rawk
2009-01-14, 19:35
oh and rawk, you should really take a closer look into russian death tolls and their equipment in ww2. especially your description of the situation at stalingrad is complete bullshit and mixing up facts ..


A much closer look than writing two pieces of work which received the highest marks possible and which involved around 20-30 different sources?
You've proven consistently that you have no idea of what you're talking about when it comes to historical debate especially when asked to post sources, so, as tempting as it is to reply with "what exactly was bullshit about my description of Stalingrad?" and then laugh at your reply, I wasted enough time humiliating you in the last thread you decided to argue with me in.

That said, kudos for mentioning Cross of Iron, I've been meaning to check it out.

BSK
2009-01-15, 12:54
I wasted enough time humiliating you in the last thread you decided to argue with me in.

if you think you humiliate your dialog partner when he doesn´t care after you fail to provide ressources then you will have to wait another 10 years for your defloration craig feldspar.
and wikipedia owns your facts - so now say something offtopic that I don´t care about ..

Kegtapper
2009-01-15, 13:42
IIsa - She Wolf Of The SS not so Much war but alot of brutal torture and nudity showing what happened in the concentraition camps from the german perspective not for the weak of stomach.

Rawk
2009-01-15, 20:46
if you think you humiliate your dialog partner when he doesn´t care after you fail to provide ressources then you will have to wait another 10 years for your defloration craig feldspar.


Wait, what?
You mean that argument where I simply asked you to prove one claim "Stalin killed over 100 million people in World War II alone", even offering you a cash reward for doing so, and you couldn't? That same thread where I backed up my arguments with sources and you didn't?
Yeah I thought so.

BSK
2009-01-16, 14:29
where I backed up my arguments with sources and you didn't?

well that is the point, you didn´t ..