So I've got this old break action (apologies for wrong terminology) .410 shotgun. Since the thing never gets used, I thought it'd fun to size this thing down to make it look more intimidating and keep under my bed. Is there anything to watch out for with respect to safety or can I simply hacksaw the barrel down to whatever size I see fit? Of course there will be range/accuracy reduction but would it severely degrade the spray pattern? Should I stick to keeping the barrel the same size and just saw back the stock?

Thanks in advance

No it's totally safe just hacksaw it off. I already did this with my twelve gauge, to a good twelve inches. Go ahead and saw off the stock as well for even more concealability. Oh yeah don't forget to get a tax stamp. ;)

Sawing down a shotgun's barrel to below 18 inches is a federal offense, and the feds treat it just as seriously as converting a firearm to full auto (i.e. they will raid your house and send you to federal PMITA prison). Same goes for reducing the overall length to a certain degree.

If you want to do it legally you have to get it registered with the ATF and pay them a $250 tax.

If you want to do it illegally, well.... Post in "uncle bobs" :p

Lets assume Im doing this legally and paying the 250 dollar tax. ;)

^ Actually, it can be completely legal if you have the right serial number.

What brand of shotgun is it and what is the serial number?

Well, should you hack down the barrel, you need to take a rat tail file to the inside and get rid of any burrs so that they don't obstruct the barrel.

That's about all I know, but it's one of those "how not to blow your face off" kinda things, so it's probably an important one.

Shooting a mosin nagant is more dangerous than shooting a twelve gauge sawed off with no filing job. I have done both, and it was the MN's sorry ass motherfucking faggot ass that KB'd and got a bunch of splinters in my eye.

Sure faggot.

no it's totally safe just hacksaw it off. I already did this with my twelve gauge, to a good twelve inches. Go ahead and saw off the stock as well for even more concealability. Oh yeah don't forget to get a tax stamp. ;)

oh dude your breaking teh lawz!

You will need a AOW tax stamp I believe. Un less it waas purchased with just a pistol grip, I think then it can be as short as you want?

Shooting a mosin nagant is more dangerous than shooting a twelve gauge sawed off with no filing job. I have done both, and it was the MN's sorry ass motherfucking faggot ass that KB'd and got a bunch of splinters in my eye. next time clean the bore and chamber of obtructions before you go shooting it.

Really? It needs to be an actual issued tax stamp? I just put the words "TAX STAMP" on a sheet of paper, cut it down to size and taped it over the barrel.

Really? It needs to be an actual issued tax stamp? I just put the words "TAX STAMP" on a sheet of paper, cut it down to size and taped it over the barrel.



You've got to be kidding....

oh dude your breaking teh lawz!

You will need a AOW tax stamp I believe. Un less it waas purchased with just a pistol grip, I think then it can be as short as you want?

next time clean the bore and chamber of obtructions before you go shooting it.


If you are cutting down an existing shotgun to below 18" or shortening the OAL to below 26" (keep this in mind if you cut down the stock) you will need to submit it as a SBS on a form 4 with the FULL $200.

Shotguns are only AOWs if they were made at the factory with 1. A barrel under 18" and 2. a pistol grip. The tax stamp for an AOW is only $5.

If you cut the barrel down to 18" on your shotgun, you will want to take care that your overall length doesn't go below 26". You don't want to end up like Randy Weaver's family. They will kill your family for that shit!

^ Actually, it can be completely legal if you have the right serial number.

What brand of shotgun is it and what is the serial number?

No, this is not true. Having an old shotgun doesn't exempt it from the NFA (unless it fires non-fixed ammunition). Since the passage of the NFA there have been several amnisty periods where one could retroactivley regester an NFA weapon. There are no firearms that are granfathered from the National Firearms Act. (Note that weapons that fall under the Curio and Relics Act are not granfathered. They are exempted. There are no weapons on C&R lists that can be chopped down below legal limmits.)

You've got to be kidding....

Well, it got a single drunken lul from me. :)

No, this is not true. Having an old shotgun doesn't exempt it from the NFA (unless it fires non-fixed ammunition). Since the passage of the NFA there have been several amnisty periods where one could retroactivley regester an NFA weapon. There are no firearms that are granfathered from the National Firearms Act. (Note that weapons that fall under the Curio and Relics Act are not granfathered. They are exempted. There are no weapons on C&R lists that can be chopped down below legal limmits.)


I'm well aware of that.

I was just trying to help anynody who happens to be watching to pinpoint this jackass.

The gun is probably stolen though anyways.


Now, I don't agree with the NFA laws, but you figure if someone is going to violate them that they are going to do it quitely.

Anyone who posts about it on an open and monitored forum like this is obviously a fucking moron who deserves to get fucked by the long dick of the law.

:D

You've got to be kidding....

I am not kidding.

Sorry I ruined your ruse. I guess that I am a dork.

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1363/mn9130sbr2hl0.jpg

Plenty of curios can be sawed off.. I cut my Mauser to pistol size a few weeks ago.

^That's a funny looking Mauser.

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1363/mn9130sbr2hl0.jpg

Plenty of curios can be sawed off.. I cut my Mauser to pistol size a few weeks ago.

You did WHAT?!:eek:
:(

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1363/mn9130sbr2hl0.jpg
Hahah wow.
You did WHAT?!:eek:
:(
My thoughts exactly. :mad:

earth will be swallowed by sun in just a few thousand years/preservation is futile

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1363/mn9130sbr2hl0.jpg

Plenty of curios can be sawed off.. I cut my Mauser to pistol size a few weeks ago.

I call bullshit. that is a mosin nagant.

I call bullshit. that is a mosin nagant.
As revealed by a quick Google Image search for "sawed off nagant."

I don't think he meant to claim that the Nagant picture was a Mauser, just "Hey! Here's a picture of a sawn off vintage rifle, and oh yeah I did the same to a Mauser."

As revealed by a quick Google Image search for "sawed off nagant."

I don't think he meant to claim that the Nagant picture was a Mauser, just "Hey! Here's a picture of a sawn off vintage rifle, and oh yeah I did the same to a Mauser."

I can just tell a nagant when I see one.

yeah I get it now though.

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1363/mn9130sbr2hl0.jpg

Plenty of curios can be sawed off.. I cut my Mauser to pistol size a few weeks ago.

This is a fine example of why you shouldn't sniff paint, kids.

This is a fine example of why you shouldn't sniff paint, kids.

that shit is just plain useless after thet raped it like that.

Why do you say that? Ever shot one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNFsUvh078I&feature=channel_page

They would make wonderful concealed carry guns, the muzzle flash would blow everyone's guts out within a good three foot range.

^ That video was actually pretty cool. Now, on to adding a pistol grip ... :cool:

Hahahaha yeah man it was and while I was joking about cutting a Mauser down, chopping an old Nagant down would be interesting. There are millions of them, why not.

Hahahaha yeah man it was and while I was joking about cutting a Mauser down, chopping an old Nagant down would be interesting. There are millions of them, why not.
It wouldn't be terribly expensive either. And while I hate to see a Nagant get put on the block (what can I say, I'm a fanboy) doing so won't run you much in the cash department - I hear of people buying them all the time for $59 or $69, though I paid $106.50 for my M91/30.

Hahahaha yeah man it was and while I was joking about cutting a Mauser down, chopping an old Nagant down would be interesting. There are millions of them, why not.

Thank God. I'd hate to see a Mauser chopped. Those are the best rifles on Earth, in my humble opinion.

Sawing down a shotgun's barrel to below 18 inches is a federal offense, and the feds treat it just as seriously as converting a firearm to full auto (i.e. they will raid your house and send you to federal PMITA prison). Same goes for reducing the overall length to a certain degree.

If you want to do it legally you have to get it registered with the ATF and pay them a $250 tax.

If you want to do it illegally, well.... Post in "uncle bobs" :p

Topic starter resides in canada -- a whole different set of rules apply.

If I recall correctly there are no restrictions on barrel length when it comes to long guns?

I think that only applies to firearms manufactired by companies.

Like, the can buy the Norinco 870s with factory 14" barrels.

But they can't cut an 18.5" barrel down to 14".


I might be wrong though.

Why do you say that? Ever shot one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNFsUvh078I&feature=channel_page

They would make wonderful concealed carry guns, the muzzle flash would blow everyone's guts out within a good three foot range.


useless.

I don't see what's so useless about it, not everyone is tactical enough for the XD, I'd like to see the muzzle flash on high speed with the right lighting. I bet that would look impressive.

I don't see what's so useless about it, not everyone is tactical enough for the XD, I'd like to see the muzzle flash on high speed with the right lighting. I bet that would look impressive.

first of all did you see the way he was "aiming it" and shooting it?

yeah that was a gangstas pose

While the muzzle blast would be entertaining, it's completely useless. 1) There are no sights, so you just made a rifle with a 1/4 mile effective range into something with the same range and accuracy as a baseball bat. 2) It would be a POS at best to hold. 3) Recoil is going to hurt your wrists 4) It's a bolt action and i'm pretty sure i'd be able to get shots away faster with a stock on it.

If you want something concealable but can't get pistols taking an old single barrel 12ga and chopping it would be a MUCH better idea, and then you'd atleast have a CHANCE of hitting something past 3m.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/vasShadow3/suitability.jpg

Who needs sights, you can just use point shooting. Everyone's going to shit their pants when they hear a sawed off nagant, there won't be much need for a quick cycling of the action. It won't hurt that bad. Hey man this design has already been used in battle so whatever.

this design has already been used in battle so whatever.
Wait... what?

While the muzzle blast would be entertaining, it's completely useless. 1) There are no sights, so you just made a rifle with a 1/4 mile effective range into something with the same range and accuracy as a baseball bat. 2) It would be a POS at best to hold. 3) Recoil is going to hurt your wrists 4) It's a bolt action and i'm pretty sure i'd be able to get shots away faster with a stock on it.

If you want something concealable but can't get pistols taking an old single barrel 12ga and chopping it would be a MUCH better idea, and then you'd atleast have a CHANCE of hitting something past 3m.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/vasShadow3/suitability.jpg
This^
It is a SHOULDER fire weapon. Meaning it is designed to be fired from the SHOULDER. You know wityh a stock and sights. the mosin already has inferior sights taking then completely off is even worse.

If i had to use that thing in battle i would kill someone as fast as possible and capture a REAL rifle.

yeah and it didn't last very long and was issued in quite small numbers, correct?

I dont want to rely on something because it looks scarey, personally i'd rather a pink, hello kitty Glock 17.

research obrez nagant

No, YOU show us your sources.

Why do you want to learn? You're a Swede, you can't own firearms, this is information you'll never need to know.

just because it was used in battle does not mean it is useful. If a russian needed a pistol he could et a nagant revovler.

I can see it being practical within the historical context it was used in.
I can not see it being practical in a current context.
Would I cut one off like that: No.
Would I own one for the history: Yes.
Would it be my weapon of choice for defense: Not unless it was the only thing around.

And I agree that you can point shoot almost anything within 25 mts, and it will be minute-of-pie plate. However, a shotgun would be more practical in defense at the time.

Therefore, I would relegate this weapon to the historical curiosity closet.

But I learnt something more today that i didn't know existed, so thank you for that.

You're a Swede, you can't own firearms
Read up on the facts before you make a statement.

Therefore, I would relegate this weapon to the historical curiosity closet.


Aye, like the MP-40's (IIRC) with barrels bent at right angles so, in theory, tank crews could hose people down without exposing themselves. Something that would be badass to own if you could find an original, but useless and something no one with more that two braincells would do to a functioning gun in it's std state.

Topic starter resides in canada -- a whole different set of rules apply.

If I recall correctly there are no restrictions on barrel length when it comes to long guns?



Yeah there's a limit... there's three different classes of firearms

Regular - Any long gun with a barrel length such and such long (can't recall off the top of my head)
Restricted - Handguns
Prohibited - Anything with a barrel shorter than what's allowed for regular, any full automatics, or anything that's .50+ and can hold more than one bullet.

If it's a single shot and can't take a magazine then the caliber is usually allowed but you may have troubles with local law enforcement always showing up wanting to "check" on you.

Anything caliber for muzzle loading is legal... Cannons are legal but not much in the way of people own them. xD

Also modifying anything on a rifle mechanically or barrel wise without a license and getting cause can land you in allot of trouble.

For the record, AOWs have the same $200 manufacture tax as the rest of the NFA guns. The difference is they can be transferred for $5.

A break-action shotgun with a full stock can only become a SBS. AOWs must have a pistol grip and a sub-18" barrel when they leave the manufacturer. Once they're registered as a standard Title 1 firearm, there's no going the AOW route.

[Note that I don't have a fucking clue how this works in Canada. I'm just correcting some misconceptions regarding the US laws.]

the mosin already has inferior sights taking then completely off is even worse.
You know I hear this on a regular basis but often surprise myself at how good of a shot I can make with open iron.

You know I hear this on a regular basis but often surprise myself at how good of a shot I can make with open iron.

I find that a worn and battered k98 is consistently minute-of-soda-can accurate at 50 mts on open irons.