http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y0sJkdl0FI

Gay Iraqis terrorized by murder, rape.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVMeqblBgiA&feature=related

I'm still skeptical...

I'm still skeptical...

I do concur.

I do concur.

And yet the experts tell you its real?

Two nasa scientists.

And an area 51 employee, proven that he worked there. Even the goverment admits it.

And yet the experts tell you its real?

Two nasa scientists.

And an area 51 employee, proven that he worked there. Even the goverment admits it.

people that don't believe wont believe until they can physically stick their dick in one, even then they wont believe

And yet the experts tell you its real?

Two nasa scientists.

And an area 51 employee, proven that he worked there. Even the goverment admits it.

Links to articles on the area 51 employee and the other NASA astronaut please. It isn't hard to imagine why an area 51 employee might want to shoot to fame like that.

Edgar Mitchell also believes in remote healing, conducted private ESP experiments with his friends when in space and has published a book called Psychic Exploration. From a scientific point of view he isn't the most credible expert.

Links to articles on the area 51 employee and the other NASA astronaut please. It isn't hard to imagine why an area 51 employee might want to shoot to fame like that.

Edgar Mitchell also believes in remote healing, conducted private ESP experiments with his friends when in space and has published a book called Psychic Exploration. From a scientific point of view he isn't the most credible expert.

so because you fail to believe him therefore he is discredited?

so because you fail to believe him therefore he is discredited?

No. I never said I don't believe him and I never said he is discredited. It is anecdotal evidence from somone who can be considered an expert witness, but since he also believes in remote healing, something for which there is no evidence, then this damages his credibility.

You should be careful, it's easy to get excited.
http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/theremoteisland/2008/07/16-22/i-want-to-believe.jpg

No. I never said I don't believe him and I never said he is discredited. It is anecdotal evidence from somone who can be considered an expert witness, but since he also believes in remote healing, something for which there is no evidence, then this damages his credibility.

You should be careful, it's easy to get excited.
http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/theremoteisland/2008/07/16-22/i-want-to-believe.jpg

between you and a expert witness? i will go on his word.

between you and a expert witness? i will go on his word.

I am saying stay sceptical until more evidence is produced. He is saying advanced extraterrestrial life exists and has visited earth before. You take his testimony as undeniable fact?

Sounds like you want to believe.

I am saying stay sceptical until more evidence is produced. He is saying advanced extraterrestrial life exists and has visited earth before. You take his testimony as undeniable fact?

Sounds like you want to believe.

why are you attacking my beliefs?

He's not. He's just pointing out that, even though the man is a prime witness, his testimony, without evidence, is not paramount.

He's not. He's just pointing out that, even though the man is a prime witness, his testimony, without evidence, is not paramount.

I understand that.


Like I said before, I will take Mitchells word over his every time.


Have you ever been in a position where you know something is true but you can't prove it?

"He says that the aliens are little people, with big eyes and a big head"; "the aliens are much more advanced than we are"

Holy fuck you guys!!!! They MUST be real now that we know they are super advanced and that they have big eyes and heads!!!!

Firstly, there’s absolutely no hard evidence to support the notion that UFO’s are visitors from other planets. The UFO phenomenon falls into the same category as Yeti (Bigfoot), the Lock Ness monster, Champ, Chupicabras, Mothman, statues of the Virgin Mary crying blood, etc. Lots of people claim to see these things, but there’s no hard evidence to support any of it.

I’m not saying that UFO’s aren’t extraterrestrial only that there’s no verifiable proof that they are. And no, eyewitness accounts and "pictures" isn't real proof.

Secondly, it’s hard not to take a man like Mitchell seriously with his educational background and accomplishments, but after a quick search I found this out about him:

”Mitchell says that a teenage remote healer who lives in Vancouver and uses the pseudonym Adam Dreamhealer, helped him heal of kidney cancer at a distance. Mitchell said that while he never had a biopsy (the definitive test for cancer), "I had a sonogram and MRI that was consistent with renal carcinoma." Adam worked (distantly) on Mitchell from December of 2003 until June of 2004, when the "irregularity was gone and we haven't seen it since”.

Mitchell sounds like a fruitcake to me. Anyone who buys into that remote healing crap is riding the short bus IMO.

^^
This is true. and even if you ignore that fact, what is his motive to come out about this now? why not 5 years ago, why not 10? I'm not saying he's a liar but he isn't exactly going into detail. according to wiki he was born in the 1930s,the roswell Incident happened on July 7, 1947, he was 17 at the time and wasnt working for nasa, so how can he verify this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Mitchell

What they dont tell you here, is that NASA took away his Pension for telling the truth.

Remember Nasa is a Branch of the US goverment the same as the NSA The CIA, and reports to the whitehouse.
George Bush chose the Current Head of Nasa. Who Has Put in his Resignation to leave on the 20th Novemeber 2008.

Nasa Does Have the legal Right to Have classified Documents from the public. Edgar Mitchell- Is working with ATS, i belive at the moment on putting together, Documents now in the Public archive, thanks to his many FOIA requests. That will help to show the world that they DO lie.



Dont judge him, He is not senile. and an Extremley intelligent Being.

He is extremly credible. Look at his history. he would not have survived if he was how some would have you believe.
He is also very brave- who came out about this- and then lost his pension.

He risked a lot and still is, FOR YOU.

Alien life existing somewhere out in the Universe? Sure I feel that statistically the chances are high, visiting us in space ships and only wanting our Governments to know about it? Fuck off. If we Humans visited other worlds with life then we would invade the joint for one thing, and for another, we wouldn't pick up the local nutter to give him a tour of the ship before we fly off.

If most of those grainy photos look like blimps to you, then what do you suggest they are? That's right douchebag, fucking blimps. The government has been releasing Documents since the late 80s and early 90s talking about surveillance blimps to control unrest, they even have some out lower down like the Fuji blimp a few years ago. The Government likes the fact you are all (mostly) fucking morons, and whilst they tell you they build and let out blimps equipped with cameras and other equipment, they then further the idea that they might then be alien craft?! and you believe the second one!.....no wonder society has gone to the Dogs.

I would hardly call his testimony "Expert", because he was an astronaut then everything he says is Gospel? he is obviously a senile old idiot and people whom will cling on to any sort of hope of little green men with big eyes and big heads (give me a break, Comic book overload) will believe anything, until it comes out that it is all bollocks then they back off and move onto the next little shred of hope for their ideas.

Alien life existing somewhere out in the Universe? Sure I feel that statistically the chances are high, visiting us in space ships and only wanting our Governments to know about it? Fuck off. If we Humans visited other worlds with life then we would invade the joint for one thing, and for another, we wouldn't pick up the local nutter to give him a tour of the ship before we fly off. .
Why would they want to make themselves known to us?.. They could control the government for all we know, one way or another.. I don't know and neither do you.. If they have the technology to get here it's a definate possibility... In any case, I doubt they'd invade in any conventional means..



If most of those grainy photos look like blimps to you, then what do you suggest they are? That's right douchebag, fucking blimps. The government has been releasing Documents since the late 80s and early 90s talking about surveillance blimps to control unrest, they even have some out lower down like the Fuji blimp a few years ago. The Government likes the fact you are all (mostly) fucking morons, and whilst they tell you they build and let out blimps equipped with cameras and other equipment, they then further the idea that they might then be alien craft?! and you believe the second one!.....no wonder society has gone to the Dogs..

Im sure, blimps, swampgas, paint chips from handrails, space dust, and flairs etc. clearly describe the following videos.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sofwHQejYQw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oMz8osnNXY&feature=related <-----A fucking blimp are you kidding me?


I would hardly call his testimony "Expert", because he was an astronaut then everything he says is Gospel? he is obviously a senile old idiot and people whom will cling on to any sort of hope of little green men with big eyes and big heads (give me a break, Comic book overload) will believe anything, until it comes out that it is all bollocks then they back off and move onto the next little shred of hope for their ideas.

Have you ever been to outer space? Do you work for nasa? Edgar has done both... Who knows a lot about space and whats out in space? Nasa.. Who if anyone would have classified information on the subject? Nasa and the U.S. government.. I think someone with firsthand experience in the field would present ideal expert testimony...

...sources at NASA described the extraterrestrials as "little people who look strange to us." He said they supposedly have a small frame, large eyes and large head.

http://www.freewebs.com/maream2003/car_bratz.jpg

I've gotta say, The Disclosure Project (look up the videos) has wrecked my mind completely, forever.

More or less these days, instead of hearing more about UFOs, I try to tune out the mass ignorance regarding these subjects that I deal with on a daily basis, which is all-pervasive and much greater in force and number of participants.

The truth is, history changes quickly. I just read the other day at work that 7% of the electricity in the US comes from hydroelectricity (water operated plants based on dams I believe) and only 3% of the dams in the US are being used for hydroelectricity. I don't know shit else about it, but that sounds pretty fucked up to me.

I've gotta say, The Disclosure Project (look up the videos) has wrecked my mind completely, forever.

More or less these days, instead of hearing more about UFOs, I try to tune out the mass ignorance regarding these subjects that I deal with on a daily basis, which is all-pervasive and much greater in force and number of participants.

The truth is, history changes quickly. I just read the other day at work that 7% of the electricity in the US comes from hydroelectricity (water operated plants based on dams I believe) and only 3% of the dams in the US are being used for hydroelectricity. I don't know shit else about it, but that sounds pretty fucked up to me.

A lot of the footage in my last post is from the disclosure project. I guess its good to see the whole thing though.

A lot of the footage in my last post is from the disclosure project. I guess its good to see the whole thing though.

So you immediately discount 'of-this world' phenomena/military aircraft and jump to "ALIENS!!!! OMGZ" I love it.

I also love that they used the 'face' image as their proof, completely forgetting that humans are face-seeking creatures and is you get a higher res-close up image of those faces they are nothing but contours, or ridges, and NOT made faces.

Remember how all of those nut-jobs saw craft all across the 50s, 60s, 70s etc? and now you're seeing B52s and stealth bombers? I wonder why NASA, the CIA and Military would want to propel the idea of them being alien craft, rather than something they have been working on since the 50s.....thus ruining all of their work......strange.

If Aliens wanted to control our Governments, why would they do it secretly? as if we could revolt against them or something, and if they can reach us there is no way we could revolt against a power that awesome, also, why would they want the human race on this tiny insignificant planet? if they can propel their way across the universe then something tells me it isn't testing or resources.

You immediately leave the "Why" and jump to supernatural or out of this world explanations for what are either top secret research into military aircraft, or natural phenomena. It is really kind of sad.

If you have any real proof then I would love to see it, video of high-res craft? I notice that it is always at night, and very low quality. Maybe a vide of one of the 'beings'? Nah, didn't think so. If this guy from nasa really was telling the truth, something tells me he would have been killed a lot longer ago, when they first learned that he might blow everything. Solid and testable proof my friend is what makes a viable theory, I don't doubt that there is life out there somewhere, but you have given no solid evidence that they have ever visited, or that these images are not ball lightning or some other meteoric phenomena, OR, military aircraft. Nah, can't be them, much more logical that it is alien aircraft secretly visiting the planet to control our governments......

So you immediately discount 'of-this world' phenomena/military aircraft and jump to "ALIENS!!!! OMGZ" I love it.

I do not claim to know the origin of any ufo, maby they are military craft.. Where did I say this wasnt a possiblility.. It could be anything.. All we know is what it isn't.. Just as I stated in my previous post.


I also love that they used the 'face' image as their proof, completely forgetting that humans are face-seeking creatures and is you get a higher res-close up image of those faces they are nothing but contours, or ridges, and NOT made faces.
It's a still image of what appears to be a face.. Unless the viewer has seen this image before, he/she would have no way of knowing whether or not the picture was taken on earth or not.. A still image thats it, the only one here making baseless assumptions is you.. It's unknown how it came to be thats why its interesting....


Remember how all of those nut-jobs saw craft all across the 50s, 60s, 70s etc? and now you're seeing B52s and stealth bombers? I wonder why NASA, the CIA and Military would want to propel the idea of them being alien craft, rather than something they have been working on since the 50s.....thus ruining all of their work......strange.

Just another one of the many possibilities, you arn't getting the big picture.. just look at all the possibilities.. You seem to think it a definate x, x, or x..

If Aliens wanted to control our Governments, why would they do it secretly? as if we could revolt against them or something, and if they can reach us there is no way we could revolt against a power that awesome, also, why would they want the human race on this tiny insignificant planet? if they can propel their way across the universe then something tells me it isn't testing or resources.
The fact is, if the're here they could do it either way. Again these questions lead to an infinate number more questions, look through the ages at how warfare has changed. Would it seem far fetched that a civilization several thousand, if not millions of years ahead of us, would invade us by unconventional means? Would they invade us at all? Are they evil? Are they here to help us?

You're asking why possible being's, many times more advanced than us, would act in a certain way. Are you mental?



You immediately leave the "Why" and jump to supernatural or out of this world explanations for what are either top secret research into military aircraft, or natural phenomena. It is really kind of sad.
How the fuck do you know? are you in the top secret military?

I think its a definate possibility many of the ufo clips ive viewed have been military craft.. I don't know all the answers and nor do I claim to.. Thats the difference between people like you and I..


If you have any real proof then I would love to see it, video of high-res craft? I notice that it is always at night, and very low quality. Maybe a vide of one of the 'beings'? Nah, didn't think so. If this guy from nasa really was telling the truth, something tells me he would have been killed a lot longer ago, when they first learned that he might blow everything. Solid and testable proof my friend is what makes a viable theory, I don't doubt that there is life out there somewhere, but you have given no solid evidence that they have ever visited, or that these images are not ball lightning or some other meteoric phenomena, OR, military aircraft. Nah, can't be them, much more logical that it is alien aircraft secretly visiting the planet to control our governments......

That same nasa footage can be found on thousands of legitimate sources around the web.. If you dont bother to go over the content, I could really give a fuck less about your opinion on the matter..

First off I would like to state that I think the OP is a retard and doubly so for posting TWO UFO threads.

Second. The Sci-fi conceptual 'alien' is bullshit and seeing as this 'expert''s description of these 'aliens' match, I'm calling total bullshit. America is not the only country that has a space program. If aliens really existed in such a form and 'visited' us, we'd know it and it wouldn't just come from these nasa rejects and backward hick nut jobs which OP seems to be.

The government is not all powerful no organization is. No matter how tight your security someone is going to leak something and it wouldn't be some bullshit grainy photo or video.

OP you are a fucking retard if other life exists they are probably stuck on their shitty little planet fighting for survival just as we are. Fuck you.

First off I would like to state that I think the OP is a retard and doubly so for posting TWO UFO threads.. First off, I don't really give a fuck what you think about past threads i've posted.. If the content bothers you, then fuck right off.

Second. The Sci-fi conceptual 'alien' is bullshit and seeing as this 'expert''s description of these 'aliens' match, I'm calling total bullshit. America is not the only country that has a space program. If aliens really existed in such a form and 'visited' us, we'd know it and it wouldn't just come from these nasa rejects and backward hick nut jobs which OP seems to be. .
Again, this is your opinion. I not the one claiming here to know the truth.... Quite the contrary infact, if anyone here's being ignorant it's you.. If you had taken the time to actually read the thread you'd know this... Nice selective reading there bud..


The government is not all powerful no organization is. No matter how tight your security someone is going to leak something and it wouldn't be some bullshit grainy photo or video. .
One of the video's I posted goe's over thousands of hours of NASA footage, the man recorded every second of live footage from every nasa flight ever...

Whether you believe they're from space or not, it's inconsequential, Ufo's exist whether you believe they're Terrestrial or interterrestrial..

OP you are a fucking retard if other life exists they are probably stuck on their shitty little planet fighting for survival just as we are. Fuck you.

I don't give a fuck what you think of me.. You're an ignorant fuck and who's shallow enough to think people care about his opinion.. I pity you... open your eye's there's many sides to any argument.. I've argued these same points in prior posts...

By the way, fuck you ya lick ass cream licking, cum stain sniffing, skeevy, bitch ass, autistic, F.A.S. Bitch.

First off, I don't really give a fuck what you think about past threads i've posted.. If the content bothers you, then fuck right off.

Again, this is your opinion. I not the one claiming here to know the truth.... Quite the contrary infact, if anyone here's being ignorant it's you.. If you had taken the time to actually read the thread you'd know this... Nice selective reading there bud..


One of the video's I posted goe's over thousands of hours of NASA footage, the man recorded every second of live footage from every nasa flight ever...

Whether you believe they're from space or not, it's inconsequential, Ufo's exist whether you believe they're Terrestrial or interterrestrial..


I don't give a fuck what you think of me.. You're an ignorant fuck and who's shallow enough to think people care about his opinion.. I pity you... open your eye's there's many sides to any argument.. I've argued these same points in prior posts...

By the way, fuck you ya lick ass cream licking, cum stain sniffing, skeevy, bitch ass, autistic, F.A.S. Bitch.


When cornered, rats bite! The same goes to the OP!

If you really don't give a fuck why the insults? Why the attitude? Are you 12 ?

If you want to believe in UFOs fine.

But if you want to "convert" everyone to your blind beliefs then we have a problem here. You’re no different than the crazy religious people. Think about that. Having an open mind also means accepting other people's opinions and look objectively at the facts. Right now, the facts are not in your favour... but that doesn't you’re totally wrong.

+1 to danger! :D

When cornered, rats bite! The same goes to the OP!

If you really don't give a fuck why the insults? Why the attitude? Are you 12 ?.

If he would have replied to me properly I wouldn't have said anything.. even though, I don't give a fuck about his opinion; im still not gonna let him talk to me like a bitch. It seemed funny..

I've been arguing the same points over and over. Some people just learn slow, it's frusterating.

I am not trying to convert anyone, with my ufo threads.. .. I let the video's content, do that for me... Yes, I get pissed off when people completely ignore the video / call it fraudulent with no background info.. But, there are a lot of ignorant people out there..


If you want to believe in UFOs fine.
Oh! well then; thanks for your permission..!


But if you want to "convert" everyone to your blind beliefs then we have a problem here. You’re no different than the crazy religious people. Think about that. Having an open mind also means accepting other people's opinions and look objectively at the facts. Right now, the facts are not in your favour... but that doesn't you’re totally wrong.

wtf.. You know nothing of my belief system, I do not try and convert anyone.. The only reason I have a thread titled as such is because, I believed it was an erxtremely good film, which may or may not turn non believers into believers... I ask only that they watch the entire doc before judgment..

I have never claimed to know what any ufo was in any video I have ever posted...

Yet how many times have the religious nuts etc claimed its just black ops military/ ice chrystals/natural phenomena, as if they're in the know? Again it could go either way.. Thats all Im saying, and im kinda getting sick of repeating myself..

Thats all Im saying, and im kinda getting sick of repeating myself..

Then stop and go away!!!

If you don't believe UFOs are a real phenomena then you haven't done enough research. A good place to start would be UFO hunters (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ufo+hunters&search_type=) on the history channel. They have repeatedly debunked the debunkers, and proven the Government lies to you. Whether you want to believe they are little green men flying around in metalic craft from hundreds of light years away, some type of transdimensional energy phenomena, or some high tech top secret government project is a decision you'll have to make on your own. But if you honestly believe there are no flying objects that we can't explain (the gov isn't talking), than you are uninfomed.

I've been arguing the same points over and over. Some people just learn slow, it's frusterating.



lulz
i also get frusterated with retards.
please, kill yourself

lulz
i also get frusterated with retards.
please, kill yourself

Who the fuck says "lulz"?? As if your opinion counts you dorky little weiner..

Who the fuck says "lulz"?? As if your opinion counts you dorky little weiner..

lmao i can tell you're out of insults since you're making fun of "lulz" i cant imagine what you'd say if id written lol instead hahahahaha.

and "dorky little weiner"? hahahahaha go back to preschool you fat fuck.
buy a new joke book loser.