when i joined it would be safe to say the majority of totse found this place through its more subculture forums namely: bad ideas, bltc, lab tips, backyard ballistics, or through the huge collection textfiles on how to run a scam, or like way back in the day when people used to phr33k (i myself found totse when i googled something like how to get high off household products and stumbled upon a totse textfile, it would be months later until i realized there were forums :o )

which was cool, because that meant that the majority of the people who used the more spurious, unspecific discussion forums were all very interesting, often times crazy people (bloodydiaperman) *****

im not saying its a bad forum, iv always been partial to the knowledge thread but seeing 150 people using IFIOTW tells me that there are at least 2 times (there are only arund 75 people max viewing the other forums) as many dumb retards who only want to see lulz on the internet(i.e woman in supermarket shits on floor, or woman comes to work to see 4 men eating corpse, new high tech way to masturbate) than there are of respectable junkies, homemade bomb makers, methheads, stupid teenagers eager to get high off anything, chemists, and general fuck ups who fuck around alot, scammers, etc *

all these people here to read know do. where did all these wonderful people go. is ifiow the best forum totse has to offer now, really? they should change the motto to click watch vomit



*By totse becoming a shithole, i mean the more entertainment based forums have gone to shit, as far as i can tell of the other topic specific forums they are fairly sound save the lack of traffic in some of the less trafficked forums (lol obviously)

**to be fair this new techmology of how many people were using each forum wasnt around back in the day, but im fairly confident that ifiotw did not get 3x the traffic of the next most trafficked forum.

***fuck you half baked you`ve always been shit, except now its pictoral shit.

****now you new totse douchebags might just tell me to leave and that the totse of old is gone forever, but how exactly does one leave an internet forum? i never understood all those dramatic im leaving threads as if leaving totse and coming back took more than typing in www.totse.com in your web browser. they should make it so that if you leave totse and you make a gay thread, you should be ip banned, so that if you wanted to come back youd have to get a new modem or something, that way making the gay thread would be justified, and the force will be balanced or however you write in those gay star wars anecdotes. (i saw it in a thread once)

***** in a good way

****** even though totse is shit, i still consider it one of the top 5 things to do on the internet.

going to sleep for a bit, ill be here to necro this thread when i wake up (ANGRY FACE)

It was shit when I joined, and I imagine it was shit before then, too. Although, it's even worse than I remember - and I'm sure it's even moreso for the veterans.

That's my theory, anyway.

yeah maybe im remebering totse better than it was but there was so many more entertaining things that happened on totse. there have been times where i would immerse myself in bltc for hours, or reading that crazy fucking story that bloodydiaperman wrote, or being to scared to click on a picture because it was apparently of dead babies and cactus`(it was a hoax)

or how it was war against the mods for fuckin with flood control(wintermute i think it was), or getting banned for mentioning a totse army because of some mishaps with a lotr forum, or aludin (although i missed what was the big deal about that , something about kiddie porn) .

i guess the whole live prayer thing and jenkem was good, but that doesnt compare to bloodydiaperman running for mayor only for his crazy ways to be exposed and published in a news paper (although totse isnt mentioned in the article, i still feel pride)



all totse has now is some insidious bitch going around correcting everyones verb tenses and restructuring sentences

e: found the article, actually totse is mentioned :D http://tinyurl.com/a3ha26

Haven't you heard? I'm the sole reason for totse being shitr now...

if anything you`ve probabley have been the only constant in totse in memory. always the same ol grouchy paralyzed exmortician ban hammering meta. except now u arent confined to just bltc.

i think ill make a dxm thread for ol time sake

I actually think Totse is much better now that reg is open.

Haven't you heard? I'm the sole reason for totse being shitr now...

You fascist moderators are all alike. :mad:

actually i was referring to a time when registration was open to all, and newfags only came in the summer when they the little kiddies were home for summer. before it became necessary for them to close registration. and then for a while totse stagnated for a while, then reg was reopened and the shitshow began

I'll have you know.....
...That I've become indestructible


Don't let totse bring you down.

(Just my person view here.)

Totse was build within a limited system == shit. Totse sucks because all the people who realise this go to underground forums which don't face the same problem as Totse but then again will never have as much traffic as Totse does because by the time they do they will be shut down and so the vicious cycle continues until some body actually founds a site so impossibly limitless and bullet proof that it will never happen again.

The internet is being locked by your governments, Totse claims to support freedom of speech and all that bull shit but if that was really true we should be able to post ANYTHING we want and we cannot. Also the boards on this site suck and all the text files are outdated. Perhaps the only reason why Totse has such high traffic is because of it's old shit, outdated text filez which promise potentially useful information but ultimately lead to fail due to the fact that the information is old and obsolete.

Then we have the issue of CHANGE. Totse hasn't changed much or adapted very well to new trends in technology. Most of the site is static - unchanging, the only thing that is not is the forum. Some people don't like change and that might be why there are so many old fags on here but not changing does Totse NO good. I don't even know if the text file system is running any more but I can tell you the entire proccess could be automated with PHP scripts.

Totse could be 1000 x better than it is but it's old, outdated, and the idea mostly sucks.

Totse needs a complete revamp if it is to be the same as it was and that's going to take a lot of effort. If I ever have the time I will make a site better than Totse with bullet proof hosting and domain name. I wouldn't even waste my time trying to improve totse. Occasionally some win comes by... seldom. Totse is living in the past. This is 2009, with cyborgs and a black president. Get with the times faggots.

Some of it is good, some of it is bad, someone will always annoy you, you will end up clicking on something you didn't want to, these are all things that totse always has been.

However, I do agree with you about IFIOTW, SG used to be the most actively viewed forum, it is now IFIOTW. Oh yeah, and HB always has been shit since it's inception.


-Selah

lol in case it looks like iv been desperately using totse for years as a social crutch and im pathetically trying to relive the better times.
im not. srsly. im actually very cool and social. (lol)




im just noting the changes in this community and how the entertainment and general goodness value has fallen markedely.

ok maybe im a little down :(

e: in regard to above post, your right but the ratio to good:bad:complete trash is completely skewed (in a bad way)

This is what happened:

Back in the day (I'm talking about '05) there was a much better sense of community.

Pathetic people like bunny.meatball were equals. People gave him advice, race home from work to read an update to see how things were going. If he were to post the same thread now it would be only 2 pages replies of: "Screw you virgin faggot".

Watching people have flame wars was fun. The flames were funny and the community would take sides. Now you get 2 fucktards whinging for 5 pages.

Back in the day, all the hard ass people were looked up to like Snoopy, for example. When the great tsunoobi of '06 arrived, people saw people like Snoopy were respected/feared/treated like gods and then we had every man and his dog trying to be hard-asses, too... Which is still extremely evident to this date.

When I first joined up, I really cared what people thought. If I were to start a thread I'd make sure all the wording was right and what what I said was actually interesting... A lot of people said the exact same thing back then, about putting thought into each post.

What has happened now is people have gone from trying to be interesting to trying to be funny. The problem is, a lot of it isn't funny. If it isn't 13 year old "humor" it is "Steve Carell" (American) "humor". (btw if you find Steve Carell funny, you're part of the problem)

You see when everybody was interesting, there is nothing ambiguous about being interesting. That is what kept us coming back. Mainly some of the fiascoes that everybody got up to and the replies were decent, interesting and funny.

Now forums like SG are filled up with try-hard threads, trying to be funny. There is no substance.

We really need to start a project to re-educate totse.

(Just my person view here.)

Totse was build within a limited system == shit. Totse sucks because all the people who realise this go to underground forums which don't face the same problem as Totse but then again will never have as much traffic as Totse does because by the time they do they will be shut down and so the vicious cycle continues until some body actually founds a site so impossibly limitless and bullet proof that it will never happen again.

The internet is being locked by your governments, Totse claims to support freedom of speech and all that bull shit but if that was really true we should be able to post ANYTHING we want and we cannot. Also the boards on this site suck and all the text files are outdated. Perhaps the only reason why Totse has such high traffic is because of it's old shit, outdated text filez which promise potentially useful information but ultimately lead to fail due to the fact that the information is old and obsolete.

Then we have the issue of CHANGE. Totse hasn't changed much or adapted very well to new trends in technology. Most of the site is static - unchanging, the only thing that is not is the forum. Some people don't like change and that might be why there are so many old fags on here but not changing does Totse NO good. I don't even know if the text file system is running any more but I can tell you the entire proccess could be automated with PHP scripts.

Totse could be 1000 x better than it is but it's old, outdated, and the idea mostly sucks.

Totse needs a complete revamp if it is to be the same as it was and that's going to take a lot of effort. If I ever have the time I will make a site better than Totse with bullet proof hosting and domain name. I wouldn't even waste my time trying to improve totse. Occasionally some win comes by... seldom. Totse is living in the past. This is 2009, with cyborgs and a black president. Get with the times faggots.

i would assume there would be always be a need for people to spread information deemed `subculture`(to put it nicely). and thus totse should be there to faciliate our need for illicit information.

This is what happened:

Back in the day (I'm talking about '05) there was a much better sense of community.

Pathetic people like bunny.meatball were equals. People gave him advice, race home from work to read an update to see how things were going. If he were to post the same thread now it would be only 2 pages replies of: "Screw you virgin faggot".

Watching people have flame wars was fun. The flames were funny and the community would take sides. Now you get 2 fucktards whinging for 5 pages.

Back in the day, all the hard ass people were looked up to like Snoopy, for example. When the great tsunoobi of '06 arrived, people saw people like Snoopy were respected/feared/treated like gods and then we had every man and his dog trying to be hard-asses, too... Which is still extremely evident to this date.

When I first joined up, I really cared what people thought. If I were to start a thread I'd make sure all the wording was right and what what I said was actually interesting... A lot of people said the exact same thing back then, about putting thought into each post.

What has happened now is people have gone from trying to be interesting to trying to be funny. The problem is, a lot of it isn't funny. If it isn't 13 year old "humor" it is "Steve Carell" (American) "humor". (btw if you find Steve Carell funny, you're part of the problem)

You see when everybody was interesting, there is nothing ambiguous about being interesting. That is what kept us coming back. Mainly some of the fiascoes that everybody got up to and the replies were decent, interesting and funny.

Now forums like SG are filled up with try-hard threads, trying to be funny. There is no substance.

We really need to start a project to re-educate totse.

That is what happened.

e: haha bunny.meatball i reember throwing in my gem of advice into that thread hahahahaha

This is what happened:

Back in the day (I'm talking about '05) there was a much better sense of community.

Pathetic people like bunny.meatball were equals. People gave him advice, race home from work to read an update to see how things were going. If he were to post the same thread now it would be only 2 pages replies of: "Screw you virgin faggot".

Watching people have flame wars was fun. The flames were funny and the community would take sides. Now you get 2 fucktards whinging for 5 pages.

Back in the day, all the hard ass people were looked up to like Snoopy, for example. When the great tsunoobi of '06 arrived, people saw people like Snoopy were respected/feared/treated like gods and then we had every man and his dog trying to be hard-asses, too... Which is still extremely evident to this date.

When I first joined up, I really cared what people thought. If I were to start a thread I'd make sure all the wording was right and what what I said was actually interesting... A lot of people said the exact same thing back then, about putting thought into each post.

What has happened now is people have gone from trying to be interesting to trying to be funny. The problem is, a lot of it isn't funny. If it isn't 13 year old "humor" it is "Steve Carell" (American) "humor". (btw if you find Steve Carell funny, you're part of the problem)

You see when everybody was interesting, there is nothing ambiguous about being interesting. That is what kept us coming back. Mainly some of the fiascoes that everybody got up to and the replies were decent, interesting and funny.

Now forums like SG are filled up with try-hard threads, trying to be funny. There is no substance.

We really need to start a project to re-educate totse.

Agreed 100%. But do you really think this problem can be solved?

Haven't you heard? I'm the sole reason for totse being shitr now...

No sir, your tireless effort to stop the douche bags has been noted.

and no I'm not kissing arse :mad:

The reason totse has turned to shit:

Less members like myself, more members like 449, NumberJumbo etc etc.

Sirholkms wrote: but deleted it.

The reason totse has turned to shit:

Less members like myself, more members like 449, NumberJumbo etc etc.

Yes, but even famous old fags like yourself contribute to the overall argumentative and retarded nature of Totse so please don't be so arigent. Surely the old fags can find some way to bring back the old Totse, with their sage like cognition?

Well...

I ain't going to bitch and moan about old totse. I liek totse as it is now. Trolls come and go.

I just post here. Stop being so fucking nostalgic about shit. Harden up and think of witty shit to post:)

Yes, but even famous old fags like yourself contribute to the overall argumentative and retarded nature of Totse so please don't be so arigent.

Yeaaaaaaaaaa, but only because annoying Americans is fun.

Yeaaaaaaaaaa, but only because annoying Americans is fun.

C'est, but you have a lot more to offer than that.

C'est, but you have a lot more to offer than that.

The only reason I come on totse now is just to argue with douches who think they win the argument, it's pretty lulz.

I post on a better forum now which is funnier, more creative, friendlier, soooo much better than Totse but it's down at the moment so I have to post here.

The only reason I come on totse now is just to argue with douches who think they win the argument, it's pretty lulz.

I post on a better forum now which is funnier, more creative, friendlier, soooo much better than Totse but it's down at the moment so I have to post here.

Yeah that's fine. There is a good laugh here and there.
What forum would this be?

Agreed 100%. But do you really think this problem can be solved?

Man, I don't know. The biggest thing working against us is the new 2008/2009 people singing up, acting like hard-asses, and not knowing the origins of "hard-assery". They think this is a community where everybody gets to treat everybody else like shit. What they don't know is that it is not how it has always been like this. They are also learning the ways of trying to be "funny", rather than trying to contribute something of substance.

Us older people (2005 and before) are extremely scarce on these boards now. We are left with the overwhelming majority that are 07/08ers, who learnt from day 1 of their registration: Be funny/flame everyone ... Rather than be interesting/contribute. I also think a certain element of respect is key, as posting threads used to be a big deal in our day (for the newbies, anyway). There was huge pressure that we wanted everybody to like us. How would you expect to have that same sense of "approval" from others, when your key objective is to piss off everyone? Sure, totse wouldn't be totse without flaming and generally hate-filled people, but it takes someone special to be that someone. Not every 13 year old American.

To best describe the transformation, imagine that totse is a jail.

What totse used to be: Just like normal jails, the new kids get off the bus and they know not to give the people serving 25-to-life any cheek. When you're new in prison, you ignore all the veterans intimidating you, you keep your head down, stay out of trouble and contribute when you can. Its a well known fact when you're new in prison you cannot act like tough shit, especially coming off the bus and making eye-contact and giving the veterans lip while walking past them behind the chain-link fence. That is suicide in prison.


What totse has become: Everybody is jumping of the bus (the new arrivals), telling all the inmates and everybody who are involved in gangs to fuck-off and instantly trying to become a hero. Now sure, us veterans killed the first wave of those fags, but then a huge rush of them came.... About 700 buses... We were outnumbered, all the best veterans were all making parole and the 05ers and before were a dying breed. It wasn't long until they ruled the place, only by sheer numbers and it has been this way ever since. The only problem now is that when more buses come and drop off some more new arrivals, they learn the new way of life, not the better way.

I have no idea what it will take to change it.

Reject (post # 18), sirholkms (post #10), and NuclearWinter (post #18).. ..I'd like to quote some of what you blokes wrote and expand upon it in my own thoughts. I have a lot to say, but I just got home and am too tired, so this post shall act as a place holder. Yerp. There's a lot of truths in what you fellahs have said.

Man, I don't know. The biggest thing working against us is the new 2008/2009 people singing up, acting like hard-asses, and not knowing the origins of "hard-assery". They think this is a community where everybody gets to treat everybody else like shit. What they don't know is that it is not how it has always been like this. They are also learning the ways of trying to be "funny", rather than trying to contribute something of substance.

Us older people (2005 and before) are extremely scarce on these boards now. We are left with the overwhelming majority that are 07/08ers, who learnt from day 1 of their registration: Be funny/flame everyone ... Rather than be interesting/contribute. I also think a certain element of respect is key, as posting threads used to be a big deal in our day (for the newbies, anyway). There was huge pressure that we wanted everybody to like us. How would you expect to have that same sense of "approval" from others, when your key objective is to piss off everyone? Sure, totse wouldn't be totse without flaming and generally hate-filled people, but it takes someone special to be that someone. Not every 13 year old American.

To best describe the transformation, imagine that totse is a jail.

What totse used to be: Just like normal jails, the new kids get off the bus and they know not to give the people serving 25-to-life any cheek. When you're new in prison, you ignore all the veterans intimidating you, you keep your head down, stay out of trouble and contribute when you can. Its a well known fact when you're new in prison you cannot act like tough shit, especially coming off the bus and making eye-contact and giving the veterans lip while walking past them behind the chain-link fence. That is suicide in prison.


What totse has become: Everybody is jumping of the bus (the new arrivals), telling all the inmates and everybody who are involved in gangs to fuck-off and instantly trying to become a hero. Now sure, us veterans killed the first wave of those fags, but then a huge rush of them came.... About 700 buses... We were outnumbered, all the best veterans were all making parole and the 05ers and before were a dying breed. It wasn't long until they ruled the place, only by sheer numbers and it has been this way ever since. The only problem now is that when more buses come and drop off some more new arrivals, they learn the new way of life, not the better way.

I have no idea what it will take to change it.
Monkey see, monkey do. I also get the feeling you have been to prison. I will actually remember that advice about prison, thank you.

The old users have just given up. If we really want to fix totse then all we have to do is start posting excellent threads and not give a shit what people say, then over time totse will be restored. Think of it as giving totse medicine, eventually the illness will go away (unless totse has a terminal illness and as dynamic as the community is I don't think it has, that's more a 4chan thing.) So the old fags should create amazing threads. Not just text, people posting images of strange experiments that they have done or highly risky activities or mind blowing theories, interesting shit, the way totse use to be.

To be honest, I think it's because you post here.

When I first came here and found the forums, it was a decent place. No organization, memes and Trolls I came in about a month before the HTS noob incident.

Now since totse basically had that depression and reg was closed it has gone to shit.

I was just going through my 'spare change' jar and found a few extra pennies that I really don't need, so here is my US $0.02:

(aside--- if you want a little taste of what the 'old' &T was like, just read this thread. This is much more like the 'good old days' where there was a reasoned exchange of differing ideas, sans the retarded attemps at flames, many of which are now just mindless spews of four-letter words).

I joined in 2005 and still have under 1000 posts, even though I releigiously visit this site on a daily basis, and read most of the threads in about a dozen forums that I frequent. Better than half of them are the specific/technical ones, so a lot of the grief I see in the others does not apply. Before I joined, I lurked for at least a couple of years and yes, it was the text file area that first brought me here.

I do think one simple thing could be done to somewhat alleviate the problem. That would be to eliminate "New Arrivals" and "Acolytes". No, I am not suggesting closing registration, simply eliminating those tags. Back when I joined, there were "Regulars", "Moderators" and "Admins". One of the problems (actually 2) revolves around these labels. Those who are tagged as 'newcomers' are eager to jack up their post count in order to become a "Regular". This is exasperated by the fact that one of more popular "flames" is the "GTFO Acolyte". Driven by inexplicable need to become a Regular, these newcommers will post whatever shit their fingers can type... no need to engage the brain just to boost post count.

For what it may be worth ~~~

If we had more threads like this - not the topic, but the content - totse would be better off. I've seen a higher ratio of well thought out and well said posts to troll/idiot posts than I have in a long time.

I won't won't say that totse isn't in a decline atm or that nothing needs fixing - it obviously does. But for one thing, totse has had cycles as long as I've been here. I think this cycles has been skewed some due to the long period of closed registration**.

Also, though, I really think that many - if not most - of you all are pining away for a totse that never really existed.




**: BTW and FYI, Jeff is messing with the mail server again and so reg is effectively closed again for the time being. But it won't be like last time. Last time was intentionally left closed.

If we had more threads like this - not the topic, but the content - totse would be better off. I've seen a higher ratio of well thought out and well said posts to troll/idiot posts than I have in a long time.

I won't won't say that totse isn't in a decline atm or that nothing needs fixing - it obviously does. But for one thing, totse has had cycles as long as I've been here. I think this cycles has been skewed some due to the long period of closed registration**.

Also, though, I really think that many - if not most - of you all are pining away for a totse that never really existed.




**: BTW and FYI, Jeff is messing with the mail server again and so reg is effectively closed again for the time being. But it won't be like last time. Last time was intentionally left closed.

STFU you worthless lying bastard.

I'll give you one huge aspect of SG alone that is completely different, different that it has been since Totse's inception. Answer me one simple question....

How many moderators are currently active REGULAR posters of SG? I'm not talking the SG mods, I'm talking ALL mods......the ones that are the lifeblood of this place. Where has their contribution gone? *Poof* life a mother fucking fart in the wind, the mod "contributions/posting" in SG is almost nill.

Wanna know where they are? Staying FAR FAR AWAY from Meta, giving him as much distance as possible. There are already plenty of mod casualties at Meta's feet, most mods give don't want to deal with his idiocy any more....he truly is the Totse Scurge.Why the hell should they take the time or text and put up a decent post....when Meta can come shitcanning the whole thing (while admittedly not even reading the entire threads "errrrr durrrrrr, I didn't know another mod posted on it/approved of it already")

Go ahead folks....show me another time frame in Totse's history where SG has had such little posting activity from the rest of its mods. Just further proof at how Meta and his ego have completely devoured this forum and turned it into nothing more than a demented game of "King of the Hill". It ain't about "productive posting/threads"...instead its Meta's personal little sandbox. No wonder so many mods, regulars and "decent" posters have abandoned this forum.......

Totse is slow right now. It always is after the holidays, what with the kiddies going back to school. SG actually ain't bad. There's quite a few good threads. My favorite forums are running slow; I can only check them once a day or else I'm just reading old news. That's what pisses me off.

Hey, new arrivals: Get some hobbies!

The reason totse has turned to shit:

Less members like myself, more members like 449, NumberJumbo etc etc.

Reject.....YOU are a huge part of the problem as well, because you endorse/condone/gleefully flaunt your usage of multiple screen names. Not only does it smite every other user in the face...(haha, I'm a mod and I can do whatever the fuck I want with a SEPARATE set of rules), you are promoting an entire idealogy of people not having any accountability to their posting.

Basically you are telling the masses...."go post whatever drivel you like, because you can always use a NEW/DIFFERENT screen name to distance yourself from whatever idiocy you put up or regret later."

And THAT is a huge huge problem here that adds to the overall failure (like many other posters have already stated)...the lack of accountability or effort to be a "good" poster.

DaGuru, looking through your recents posts I see nothing but flames and vitriolic criticisms of the administration

why do you not consider yourself part of the problem?

Reject.....YOU are a huge part of the problem as well, because you endorse/condone/gleefully flaunt your usage of multiple screen names.

Uhhhhhhhhhhh?

Uhhhhhhhhhhh?

Reject=Deus Redux

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh???????

DaGuru, looking through your recents posts I see nothing but flames and vitriolic criticisms of the administration

why do you not consider yourself part of the problem?

Bum Wax......actually what I am, is the monster that "they" created. Go look pre-2008 and you'll see I was pretty much a "normal" and very productive poster. But the admins around here didn't want that, nor have they tried to fix their fuck ups.

No, I'm not "part" of the problem....just a commentator giving my takes on the idiocy that is the management of this place. Think "Mystery Science Theater 2000" and that is all I really am at this point.....

Reject=Deus Redux

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh???????

Hahaha oh yea.

Hahaha oh yea.


Uh huh.....and now show the world how wrong I am. Go ahead and refute my little rant about multiple screen names= ZERO accountability.


Or you can just chuckle along like you did above with such simplistic idiocy, and be a shining example of how dead on my original assessment was.....

If we had more threads like this - not the topic, but the content - totse would be better off. I've seen a higher ratio of well thought out and well said posts to troll/idiot posts than I have in a long time.

I won't won't say that totse isn't in a decline atm or that nothing needs fixing - it obviously does. But for one thing, totse has had cycles as long as I've been here. I think this cycles has been skewed some due to the long period of closed registration**.

Also, though, I really think that many - if not most - of you all are pining away for a totse that never really existed.




**: BTW and FYI, Jeff is messing with the mail server again and so reg is effectively closed again for the time being. But it won't be like last time. Last time was intentionally left closed.

well, maybe we are remembering totse better than it was (it was 4 or 5 years ago and i was like 15 then and everything probabley seemed cooler)

but still even you yourself are admitting that we have hit rock bottom, i guess it could be a cycle as i did actually notice some improvements, but overall its is on a downward descent

*its nice to see every here nostalg abut the good old days.

Uh huh.....and now show the world how wrong I am. Go ahead and refute my little rant about multiple screen names= ZERO accountability.


Or you can just chuckle along like you did above with such simplistic idiocy, and be a shining example of how dead on my original assessment was.....

Mods don't have to justify our actions :o

Mods don't have to justify our actions :o

You are absolutely right, you don't "have" to justify your actions. Nor do you "have" to back the bullshit you are bringing when you spew such idiocy in your first post implying that you are one of the "better" Totse posters as if this place would be more well off with more people like you.

Nope, Reject....you don't "have" to do a damn thing. Just keep in mind that you are a wonderful example of exactly what many of the people are discussing on this thread in regard to "quality" posting. See all of the LEGITIMATE and WELL THOUGHT OUT posts on this thread? Good debate and discussion as people pick each others brains?

And what did you bring to us? Oh sure, such "wonderful" and "quality" posting. Here are the nuggets of stupidity you dropped in our laps, just in this thread....

The reason totse has turned to shit:

Less members like myself, more members like 449, NumberJumbo etc etc.

Yeaaaaaaaaaa, but only because annoying Americans is fun.

The only reason I come on totse now is just to argue with douches who think they win the argument, it's pretty lulz.

I post on a better forum now which is funnier, more creative, friendlier, soooo much better than Totse but it's down at the moment so I have to post here.

Uhhhhhhhhhhh?

Hahaha oh yea.

Mods don't have to justify our actions :o

Uh huh, ya gotta love all of those real profound and thought provoking gems there right? (I myself especially loved the 8 year old girl like response of...."I know a better forum, but I ain't telling any of YOU. Harrrrumph". Real cool, classy, and helpful ain't ya?)

Now compare all of those one or two liners of Reject's idiocy to the rest of the posts on this thread. Everyone else for the most part is trying to have a decent discussion and our little confused moderator/poster addicted to Ken-doll dressup games is just spewing grade school nonsense. Is Reject really an asset to this place? An "example" of how a "good poster" conducts themselves? Hell, I won't even focus on how a "good" mod posts/acts.... just examine Reject's profound simplistic idiocy all on its own accord.

Nope, don't "explain" anything Reject....you don't have to in the least. But we ARE thankful you have been such a shining example about what many people are dicussing in regard to all the things that are WRONG with this place. Especially when discussing the stupid/dumb/contentless/uninspiring/less sophisticated posters around here. You are a dime-a-dozen kidiot that flourishes around here any more. Period.

Keep on keepin on NOT EXPLAINING anything Reject....you are hammering my/our points home that much more.........

I'm with ya buddy, I read all of that.......... not.

Mods don't have to justify our actions :o

reject reject is online now
Regular

lol

I'm with ya buddy, I read all of that.......... not.

Ah yes.....the favorite mantra of the real enemies of Totse. In a place that stands for "Read, Know, Do".....just spew TL/DR because READING on a message forum is too much of a strenuous task for you.

Let me guess, you've gone to a movie theater and complained about the smell of popcorn before too...right?

reject reject is online now
Regular

lol

I am deus-redux.

The real reason Totse has 'gone down hill' is because people finally figured out that it's a lot easier to be an idiot, then to think and actually put some effort into a post. Just hanging out 'for lulz' is something this site was NOT created for.

DaGuru, you missed B&M by a couple forums :D

I am deus-redux.

If you are deus-redux then answer the following question that deus-redux would instantly know the answer to

which of your friends sported tinsel that looked like a huge and glittery penis

If you are deus-redux then answer the following question that deus-redux would instantly know the answer to

which of your friends sported tinsel that looked like a huge and glittery penis

Waleed... Durr.

Waleed... Durr.

Reject can you elaborate on this answer?

I need affirmative confirmation before I can rest satisfied that you are indeed deus-redux

DaGuru, looking through your recents posts I see nothing but flames and vitriolic criticisms of the administration

Well I personally think that Guru has very good reasons to feel the way he does. I mean, the administration is pretty incompetent. Maybe you just don't see it.


why do you not consider yourself part of the problem?

Well I can't really answer this question (seeing as how it was directed at guru), however I just want to add something.

While it's possible that Daguru, or any poster for that matter, can in theory be a part of the problem, it 1) cannot realistically be self-diagnosed by the person in question themselves, so it's kind of a moot point; and 2) can actually be elucidated reasonably objectively, by looking at the how the rest of the boards perceive him/her. In Daguru's case, I'd say he's a pretty well-regarded poster, has a lot of moral support among the rest of the posters ( a few detractors aside), so I would say that in all likelihood, Daguru is NOT a part of the problem. Furthermore, if you truly think that daguru is part of the problem, you are going to have to back that up with your reasoning. Why do you think daguru might be part of the problem? Just exactly what problem is he causing?

Oh and YAY Guru is back : )

Haven't you heard? I'm the sole reason for totse being shitr now...

i blame this douche plugging his terrible band
jk plzdntban.

Well I personally think that Guru has very good reasons to feel the way he does. I mean, the administration is pretty incompetent. Maybe you just don't see it.



Well I can't really answer this question (seeing as how it was directed at guru), however I just want to add something.

While it's possible that Daguru, or any poster for that matter, can in theory be a part of the problem, it 1) cannot realistically be self-diagnosed by the person in question themselves, so it's kind of a moot point; and 2) can actually be elucidated reasonably objectively, by looking at the how the rest of the boards perceive him/her. In Daguru's case, I'd say he's a pretty well-regarded poster, has a lot of moral support among the rest of the posters ( a few detractors aside), so I would say that in all likelihood, Daguru is NOT a part of the problem. Furthermore, if you truly think that daguru is part of the problem, you are going to have to back that up with your reasoning. Why do you think daguru might be part of the problem? Just exactly what problem is he causing?

Oh and YAY Guru is back : )

read nuclear nuclear winters post on page 1. it starts with this is what happened.

that is what happened, and that is the problem. the problem doesnt involve specific people (tahts stupid) it is about the general degradation of hte quality of userséposts and the type of persona that a typical totsean is expected to carry out, and the disppearance of a real SG community (see nuclear winters post)

all da guru is doing is acting out his personal vendetta against reject/deus under the guise of pointing out totses problems, even though they have already been layed out in a crystal clear concrete, generally agreed upon fashion. not that i have a problem that, infact i miss a good flame war. (if this had been the old days this thread would have instantly exploded into 5 pages, with like nuclear winter states, people taking sides, and halarity all around)

but i digress.

..... (i.e woman in supermarket shits on floor, or woman comes to work to see 4 men eating corpse, new high tech way to masturbate)..... I'm fairly sure it was actually five men eating a corpse. Christ get your cannibalistic facts straight.

This is a good thread. This thread has discussion, and threads like this are why I continued visiting Totse for so long. In fact, I enjoyed simply reading the threads so much I really didn't feel any reason to actually register, so I just lurked. Something I noticed though, is that after I registered during the '08 tsn00bie, I spent less time in SG and more time in other forums. I became more entertained by HB and contentless threads. A lot of people have felt this way I guess, which is why SG doesn't get as much traffic and has shittier threads. It's sort of a snowball effect.

I guess it's part of evolution, everything evolves, especially dynamic communities such as internet forums. My guess is that eventually, perhaps in less time with the help of good posters, Totse will become more interesting and more like its old self. I originally became interested in this site because of it's wealth of information, and while I was 13 or 14 when I first discovered it, this was pretty exciting for me.

Hmmmm... I guess it's not just the site that has evolved, but it's the members that have evolved too. We've changed over time, the old posters are obviously different people than they were when they first found the site. What we need are newer people that have the same mindset and reason for being here that the old posters did 3 or 4 years ago. With the current state of the community, the majority of the new people here are more in it "for the lulz" than for the information.

but still even you yourself are admitting that we have hit rock bottom, i guess it could be a cycle as i did actually notice some improvements, but overall its is on a downward descent



Now don't go putting words in my mouth. I said that there were things that needed fixing and that totse is indeed in a decline. I never said it has hit rock bottom. We're not even near rock bottom. Thing can always get a lot worse.

all da guru is doing is acting out his personal vendetta against reject/deus under the guise of pointing out totses problems.

I certainly don't have any vendetta against the confused Ken-doll, and if I did have one I sure as shit wouldn't have to put it under the guise of ANYTHING. In case you haven't noticed I don't tap-dance around the issues, nor am I very subtle with my text.

What I did do is come to the table just like everyone else and express one of many varied opinions on why Totse is failing. I can't help it that Reject played his part perfectly, and showed off just how "quality filled" posters can be when they don't have any reason or incentive to stick with just one user name and one user name only.

Everyone else here seemed to understand my opinion (whether or not they agreed with it is one thing, but they DID get it) whereas you are just trying to trivialize that take as if I made it all up as some attempt to flame someone. Sorry bub, but you couldn't be any more wrong....and anyone that knows my posting history will tell you the exchange I just had with Reject could hardly be construed as "flaming", at least from me.

even though they have already been layed out in a crystal clear concrete, generally agreed upon fashion

What in the fuck are you talking about here? Were you very drunk and/or stoned when you put this post up? Your arrogance is only surpassed by your ignorance with this statement. You make it sound as if this thread was some committee meeting, and we have all walked away with some communal consensus that we've all agreed upon. GTFO of my intrawebz for such silly blather. This topic has been going on long before you put up this thread, and will be discussed probably for years afterwards.

For you to read this thread and think a group mindset has been struck in some "generally agreed upon fashion" is just baffling. It seems to me the ONLY thing agreed upon at this point is that... yes it IS in fact a good thread. But the opinions and beliefs in it all laid out so nice and tidy like you tried to paint above? You are out of your fuckin mind......

I've changed my mind. Totse isn't shit, it was and still is a great idea, YOUR SHIT.

I certainly don't have any vendetta against the confused Ken-doll, and if I did have one I sure as shit wouldn't have to put it under the guise of ANYTHING. In case you haven't noticed I don't tap-dance around the issues, nor am I very subtle with my text.

What I did do is come to the table just like everyone else and express one of many varied opinions on why Totse is failing. I can't help it that Reject played his part perfectly, and showed off just how "quality filled" posters can be when they don't have any reason or incentive to stick with just one user name and one user name only.

Everyone else here seemed to understand my opinion (whether or not they agreed with it is one thing, but they DID get it) whereas you are just trying to trivialize that take as if I made it all up as some attempt to flame someone. Sorry bub, but you couldn't be any more wrong....and anyone that knows my posting history will tell you the exchange I just had with Reject could hardly be construed as "flaming", at least from me.



What in the fuck are you talking about here? Were you very drunk and/or stoned when you put this post up? Your arrogance is only surpassed by your ignorance with this statement. You make it sound as if this thread was some committee meeting, and we have all walked away with some communal consensus that we've all agreed upon. GTFO of my intrawebz for such silly blather. This topic has been going on long before you put up this thread, and will be discussed probably for years afterwards.

For you to read this thread and think a group mindset has been struck in some "generally agreed upon fashion" is just baffling. It seems to me the ONLY thing agreed upon at this point is that... yes it IS in fact a good thread. But the opinions and beliefs in it all laid out so nice and tidy like you tried to paint above? You are out of your fuckin mind......


Well, sorry bub, i didnt mean to supress your opinion. but you are fucking nuts if it didnt seem at all personal. jesus christ, take a step back and read what you wrote, every single post (prior to this one) in some way insults reject.. and yes, to a certain extent, we have agreed on certain points,

i really wouldnt call it arrogance or ignorance, because although it not be exaclty crystal clear, it is definatly clear enough that there has been some level of agreement (maybe not agreement with your reasons or mine) but agreement none the less.

take a good look at the thread and you will see PLENTY OF FUCKING CONSENSUS and GENERALLY AGREED UPON reasons.

once again, you are entitled to your opinion and i by no means meant to trivialize your arguments, who says it cant be an arguemtn and a flame. i wasnt saying you made it all up, i was trying to get the point across that your hate for the administration (personfied as reject) is what was really going on.



fuck u guy. (edit: im joking)

e: maybe not a vendetta specifically towards deus, but you obviously have something against the moderators, and with that in mind, you would consider the moderation to be a reason why totse has declined. but there are only 30 or so moderators, so logistically how could they be teh problem. the true problem lies with teh people, if there was better people there would be a better pool of moderators to choose from.

I've changed my mind. Totse isn't shit, it was and still is a great idea, YOUR SHIT.

yes totse is and still is a great idea, all im saying

is this great idea is getting shat on.

and YOUR SHIT.

Totse!

Serious Bzns.

Looking at the oldest threads saved in Spurious Generalities ('03) reveals that there is not much difference in the type of threads being made

the difference is that the threads stay on-topic even if the replies themselves are still often short and not particularly well thought-out

This is what happened:

Back in the day (I'm talking about '05) there was a much better sense of community.

Pathetic people like bunny.meatball were equals. People gave him advice, race home from work to read an update to see how things were going. If he were to post the same thread now it would be only 2 pages replies of: "Screw you virgin faggot".

Watching people have flame wars was fun. The flames were funny and the community would take sides. Now you get 2 fucktards whinging for 5 pages.

Back in the day, all the hard ass people were looked up to like Snoopy, for example. When the great tsunoobi of '06 arrived, people saw people like Snoopy were respected/feared/treated like gods and then we had every man and his dog trying to be hard-asses, too... Which is still extremely evident to this date.

When I first joined up, I really cared what people thought. If I were to start a thread I'd make sure all the wording was right and what what I said was actually interesting... A lot of people said the exact same thing back then, about putting thought into each post.

What has happened now is people have gone from trying to be interesting to trying to be funny. The problem is, a lot of it isn't funny. If it isn't 13 year old "humor" it is "Steve Carell" (American) "humor". (btw if you find Steve Carell funny, you're part of the problem)

You see when everybody was interesting, there is nothing ambiguous about being interesting. That is what kept us coming back. Mainly some of the fiascoes that everybody got up to and the replies were decent, interesting and funny.

Now forums like SG are filled up with try-hard threads, trying to be funny. There is no substance.

We really need to start a project to re-educate totse.

I joined when it was still like that. goddamn, how i miss those days. I could ask people advice in S&A without someone just saying "fuck the shit out of her". Granted, you can now, but the ratio of meaningful posts to bullshit ones is out of whack.

And on the note of the interesting vs. funny. Remember HTS-Noob? He decided to experiment sexually, and came to us for help when he ran into a problem. Some other fuckwit, roughly a month ago, stuck his dick in a toaster and gloated for six pages about how much internet fame he was going to get. And that was only a year or so apart.

Totse is shit because the regs opened and brought on a swarm of 14-year-old douchebags and attention whores.

I joined when it was still like that. goddamn, how i miss those days. I could ask people advice in S&A without someone just saying "fuck the shit out of her". Granted, you can now, but the ratio of meaningful posts to bullshit ones is out of whack.

And on the note of the interesting vs. funny. Remember HTS-Noob? He decided to experiment sexually, and came to us for help when he ran into a problem. Some other fuckwit, roughly a month ago, stuck his dick in a toaster and gloated for six pages about how much internet fame he was going to get. And that was only a year or so apart.

You stole the words right out of my mouth, that is what I was trying to say.

Don't get me wong, I'm not saying there shouldn't be "fuck the shit out of her posts" as that is still consistent with totse spirit. But usually in the days gone by, your read "fuck the shit out of her", you'd giggle and go on to read the next post which would have been a well thought out post. Usually with good advice that often made you think "hey, I'll remember that for next time".

But it just doesn't work when everybody is trying to be a "comedian".

It's like a crooked bartender who keeps putting more and more water in the whiskey until the whole room is stone-faced sober, grumpy and broke.

Totse is shit because the regs opened and brought on a swarm of 14-year-old douchebags and attention whores.

I for one am glad registration is open and believe it should remain open at all times unless the forums are under attack

the problem is not that anybody can sign up, but that the website is appealing to a different demographic now

I blame Israel.

I for one am glad registration is open and believe it should remain open at all times


I for one am not surprised to hear this coming from you.

I mean how else can you come up with yet another 8 trillion accounts to troll people

Meh i remember when i first joined for BLTC, it sure was alot less of a shit hole then. Normally you always got good information, never useless stupid fucking flames. Damn you totse!!! I blame 4chan 100%

Zok needs to unban The Mad Bomber, that guy made this forum cool.

Mods don't have to justify our actions :o

I am deus-redux.

Having multiple accounts is a bannable offense.

So, why isn't dues-redux/reject banned?


all da guru is doing is acting out his personal vendetta against reject/deus under the guise of pointing out
totses problems,

I fail to see any "personal vendetta". All I see is Daguru pointing out facts, one of them being reject/deus
redux is using multiple accounts, which is a bannable offense.


even though they have already been layed out in a crystal clear concrete, generally agreed upon fashion.


Show me where these problems have been "layed out in a crystal clear concrete", because I don't see it.

Furthermore, prove that it's done in a "generally agreed upon fashion".


maybe not a vendetta specifically towards deus, but you obviously have something against the moderators,
and with that in mind, you would consider the moderation to be a reason why totse has declined.

I could be wrong but I don't think daguru has a problem with any of the moderators. He has a problem with the
administrators, though.


but there are only 30 or so moderators, so logistically how could they be teh problem.

Kindly show us your mental process of how you went from "there are only 30 or so moderators", to "therefore,
logistically speaking, they couldn't be the problem".

Seriously, I want to know.

the true problem lies with teh people,

Prove it or shut it.


But it just doesn't work when everybody is trying to be a "comedian".

I should probably keep this in mind.

So, why isn't dues-redux/reject banned?

Because they are two different people. Actually a more accurate thing to say would be: By all the ways we can check it, they are not the same person. There's one or two [or three or four] users that I can think of, that I suspect are the same person. But since I can't prove it, I can't do anything about it..


I could be wrong but I don't think daguru has a problem with any of the moderators. He has a problem with the
administrators, though.





He has a large problem with me I hear...

WAN: i dont have to explain anything to you, although i quoted you, you really have nothing to do with what i said, and ive already explained all you questions in a response to da guru

but ill indulge you.

the part regarding the ’logical step’ (i had to wikipedia apostrophe and copy and paste it to put that there) i think its pretty clear that 30 or so people who have ’special’ priveliges could not really be the problem logistically (look up the word logistics, its defintion (although the word logic is implied), has a separate defintion meaning, the flow of resources including people, invloved in a process) it might not ahve been the most apt word to use, but it works in a clinch

anyways i was saying how 30 or so people could not be the problem in a forum with tens of thousands people, they represent 0.1 percent of totse, that is the apparent logical step, although they ahve more quote unquote power (my fucking apostrophe doesnt work) still, they represent a miniscule percentage of totse, so although they could by all means CONTRIBUTE, (my slash button doesnt work so all things that should be bolded is now capitilized) to the problem, but could never really be the CAUSE.

ALSO, i THINK THE ENTIRE THREAD HAS BEEN ABOUT PROVING THAT THE PEOPLE ON TOTSE ARE THE PROBLEM WHAT ELSE WOULD IT BE, THE COLOR OF THE FORUM?????

the general agreemetns have been found in several people agreeing with nuclearwinters post (again, see nuclear winters post and a few posts down and you will see the general fucking agreement) i also mentioned that not EVERYTHING was generally agreed upon.

AGAIN, if you would fucking read the followup post of da gurus response to my erroneous statements, actually

(whats your problem anyways, you are not a very nice person, not everything i write has to be scrutinized under your nazi vision, iv already acknowledge that i was wrong in the case of da guru)


and no one wants to hear you try and get reject banned. i happen to like the fellow, and i dont really find an issue in creating more than one account as long as the person isnt using it to troll or used in some otherwise devious fashion. (sometimes you have to get away from it all, and post under new found anonymity)

once again, i made it clear that some of what i said in that post was ill understoood, or erroneously written by me.

e: for some reason i thought u didnt know what logistics meant, disregard all condesnding information on the defintion of logistics, kindly

Meh i remember when i first joined for BLTC, it sure was alot less of a shit hole then. Normally you always got good information, never useless stupid fucking flames. Damn you totse!!! I blame 4chan 100%

oh man dont even get me started on how much of a shitshow bltc has become, unless i have a specific question, i find myself on that delightful forum less and less.

I for one am glad registration is open and believe it should remain open at all times unless the forums are under attack

the problem is not that anybody can sign up, but that the website is appealing to a different demographic now

i fully agree with that in a crystal clear and generally agreed upon fashion (thus, further shitting on WANs already moot point)

There's one or two [or three or four] users that I can think of, that I suspect are the same person. C'mon now... you sure it's not five or six? :D

I am deus-redux.You're lucky it's not me, reject, or you'd be packing all your Totse stuff into a small cardboard box right about now.

Infidelguy, at this point one thing is for certain......you haven't lived much life, or have even a basic understanding of crowd control or their behaviors. You spewing idiocy like....."but there are only several dozen moderators vs. hundreds/thousands of poster, how could it be the mods fault???//?" exposes just how much of a navie twit you really are.

I find it funny how you created this thread more or less inviting discourse on this topic, yet then try to ignore or sweep answers under the rug that don't suit you. This thread is like having a conversation with a woman, she asks a question and because she was wanting answer either "A"or "B".....she gets all huffy when you respond with "C".

It's ridiculous how you are trying to ignore the mod aspect of this, all because one of your friends or favorites Deus Redux was one of the ones that was called out specifically. Go ahead Infidelguy....keep on defending the actions of a very weird and disturbed individual that really doesn't bring anything to the table (whether as a mod or poster) that is so unique or out of the ordinary. The ONLY "uniqueness" about Deus/Reject is their Barbie-Kendoll persona. But hey, since you are in such "Deus Defense" mode.....care to explain to us the "good" modding of this lovely thread (and in one of the more serious forums of Totse)?

http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2186269

See Infidel, just because I'm picking apart the trans-sexual/vestite dressup games of someone that is in a modding position having conversations with themselves publicly......doesn't mean I have a vendetta towards them in particular or going out for ALL the mods as you described. Here, this guy sums it up perfectly what my REAL agenda is towards Reject/Deus....



and for the most part i believe we should show more tolerance and respect, unless of course the person is a complete idiot and deserves to be harassed in the way totse does best.


THIS!^^^^^^

That is all, nothing more. I hardly pay any attention to Reject/Deus, and the only reason I even commented to the dressup doll is because he had the audacity to claim in this thread that Totse would be "better" if more people like him were around. So I witnessed a complete idiot making a completely idiotic remark, and flamed as you suggested in the other thread. Excuse me for happening to post/flame better than most.





anyways i was saying how 30 or so people could not be the problem in a forum with tens of thousands people, they represent 0.1 percent of totse, that is the apparent logical step, although they ahve more quote unquote power (my fucking apostrophe doesnt work) still, they represent a miniscule percentage of totse, so although they could by all means CONTRIBUTE, (my slash button doesnt work so all things that should be bolded is now capitilized) to the problem, but could never really be the CAUSE.


I'm not going to spend way too much time refuting this nonsensical tripe above, because its pretty self explanatory how silly your thinking is here. Besides, you didn't seem to come to this thread to have discussion....instead just spew your take and refute everyone else's that doesn't agree with a simplistic "Nuh uh, it can't be that....it just doesn't make any sense to me!!!1!1!".

But to summarize it into just one paragraph the likes of someone as naive as you can understand, I'll give it a go. Not just message forums, but in ANY organization it is the field level managers (or moderators) that make a tone/mood/atmosphere for a place. That holds true for ANYTHING in this world....restaurants, jails, hotels, blogs, anything. For you to suggest that a large group/percentage of users just up and left for no reason at all is ludicrous....OF COURSE there was something that made them go elsewhere. Its like that great restaurant you freqeunted all of those years, and then suddenly the owner hired a handful of lousy waitresses. They keep spitting in your soup and no one does anything, you think the end result is just people saying...."meh, it has nothing to do with this place but I ain't coming here any more"? Exactly why DO you think you always see signs in certain establishments...."Under new management" or ownership? Because its Business Economics 101, that is why. The owners/managers create the product and make it either "good" or "bad". It isn't the consumers that have that control.

But hey, you keep prattling on about the "inmates are really running the asylum".....and come back to me in about 5 years when you've had some real life living under your belt and then lets see how strongly you hold onto that mantra....

I could be wrong but I don't think daguru has a problem with any of the moderators. He has a problem with the
administrators, though.


Sorry WAN, but you are wrong on that note. While my list of problem mods is small, there are a handful I believe whose immediate absence from this place would pick up traffic tremendously. And of course Meta is one of them........ as I discussed on page one of this thread where I find it interesting is how every other moderator that isn't formally assigned to this forum hardly ever post in SG, despite the fact that in every other era of Totse that was certainly not the way it was. (Interesting too in how lively this thread is getting, not one person has come to refute that observance either. :))

I'm amazed that practically everyone fell for the reject/deus thing

reject began to claim he was deus-redux as part of a troll attempt and deus went along with it because he likes reject and finds it funny but they are categorically not the same person

Because they are two different people. Actually a more accurate thing to say would be: By all the ways we can check it, they are not the same person. There's one or two [or three or four] users that I can think of, that I suspect are the same person. But since I can't prove it, I can't do anything about it.

For god's sake Meta.....just how many people do you think actually believe your LIES and IDIOCY above? 5? 10?

It's so ridiculous for you to pretend like you haven't condoned and encouraged this Deus/Reject puppet show all this time. He talks about in IRC, M & A, openly on the boards....and giggles with such delight in how much he amuses himself playing dress-up. You are the people that will ban/perma-ban users with such glee in your heart without ANY facts, yet now you play the role of hands-tied victim completely confounded at what to do about a moderator that is openly breaking rules.

STFU with your silly nonsense.

DaGuru although I admire your conviction you are not in possession of the facts about the deus and reject scenario and have in fact invented a conspiracy in your own head

all it consists of is trolling that you are falling for and if it would not get me banned I could give you the separate names and locations of each individual along with a short list of posters who have met one or both of the individuals in real life who could testify and indeed have testified that they are not the same person

DaGuru although I admire your conviction you are not in possession of the facts about the deus and reject scenario and have in fact invented a conspiracy in your own head

all it consists of is trolling that you are falling for and if it would not get me banned I could give you the separate names and locations of each individual along with a short list of posters who have met one or both of the individuals in real life who could testify and indeed have testified that they are not the same person

And if it wouldn't get me banned, I would post specific quotes from IRC and M & A that proves otherwise. I guess we've kind of reached an impasse then, huh?

See the kind of confusion and idiocy that DOES proliferates these boards because of biased and lackluster modding?

A quote from IRC is proof of nothing except that some individual or group of individuals said certain things

what content does this alleged proof contain?

A quote from IRC is proof of nothing except that some individual or group of individuals said certain things

what content does this alleged proof contain?

What content of ANY thread on here contains "proof" of anything? 99% of these boards are just people throwing up text claiming/stating anything they say. Hell, bring me 10 users in this thread "vouching" for the differences between the two....it still doesn't mean shit. Just text on a screen is all....its the reader that has to discern between what is right or wrong. Make that 100 or 1000 users, it still doesn't "prove" squat.

And even if there is any truth to what you say, doesn't it seem somewhat weird/deceptive/immature for a MODERATOR to purposely perpetrate a ruse for such a length of time? A couple of hours, weekend, or maybe a week....one might think "Haha, ok dude that is kinda neat". But for months/years?

Tell me exactly how that is "benefitting" Totse, or "improving" it in any way? Sorry, but even if they ARE 2 separate people the whole game or mystery itself is just further indication of why Totse is failing so badly. The immaturity, redundancy, confusion, and simplistic kidiotic nature of the whole thing is better on some pre-teen board......not a place that is SUPPOSED to be dedicated to the exchange of knowledge, intelligence, and lively discourse.

No thread on here or comment on IRC contains 'proof' of anything except that the comment itself was made and that is my point

however unlikely it seems that a moderator and another poster would carry on their charade for such a length of time I am not relying on the online word of other posters to back up my claims here

That said I agree that the ruse does not benefit the forums in any way and can be seen as rather childish

however I would not want to be part of an online community where the moderators were robotic and humourless and do not see that the harm done by their faked public example of rule-breaking is anything other than negligible

Infidelguy, at this point one thing is for certain......you haven't lived much life, or have even a basic understanding of crowd control or their behaviors. You spewing idiocy like....."but there are only several dozen moderators vs. hundreds/thousands of poster, how could it be the mods fault???//?" exposes just how much of a navie twit you really are.

I find it funny how you created this thread more or less inviting discourse on this topic, yet then try to ignore or sweep answers under the rug that don't suit you. This thread is like having a conversation with a woman, she asks a question and because she was wanting answer either "A"or "B".....she gets all huffy when you respond with "C".

It's ridiculous how you are trying to ignore the mod aspect of this, all because one of your friends or favorites Deus Redux was one of the ones that was called out specifically. Go ahead Infidelguy....keep on defending the actions of a very weird and disturbed individual that really doesn't bring anything to the table (whether as a mod or poster) that is so unique or out of the ordinary. The ONLY "uniqueness" about Deus/Reject is their Barbie-Kendoll persona. But hey, since you are in such "Deus Defense" mode.....care to explain to us the "good" modding of this lovely thread (and in one of the more serious forums of Totse)?

http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2186269

See Infidel, just because I'm picking apart the trans-sexual/vestite dressup games of someone that is in a modding position having conversations with themselves publicly......doesn't mean I have a vendetta towards them in particular or going out for ALL the mods as you described. Here, this guy sums it up perfectly what my REAL agenda is towards Reject/Deus....



THIS!^^^^^^

That is all, nothing more. I hardly pay any attention to Reject/Deus, and the only reason I even commented to the dressup doll is because he had the audacity to claim in this thread that Totse would be "better" if more people like him were around. So I witnessed a complete idiot making a completely idiotic remark, and flamed as you suggested in the other thread. Excuse me for happening to post/flame better than most.



I'm not going to spend way too much time refuting this nonsensical tripe above, because its pretty self explanatory how silly your thinking is here. Besides, you didn't seem to come to this thread to have discussion....instead just spew your take and refute everyone else's that doesn't agree with a simplistic "Nuh uh, it can't be that....it just doesn't make any sense to me!!!1!1!".

But to summarize it into just one paragraph the likes of someone as naive as you can understand, I'll give it a go. Not just message forums, but in ANY organization it is the field level managers (or moderators) that make a tone/mood/atmosphere for a place. That holds true for ANYTHING in this world....restaurants, jails, hotels, blogs, anything. For you to suggest that a large group/percentage of users just up and left for no reason at all is ludicrous....OF COURSE there was something that made them go elsewhere. Its like that great restaurant you freqeunted all of those years, and then suddenly the owner hired a handful of lousy waitresses. They keep spitting in your soup and no one does anything, you think the end result is just people saying...."meh, it has nothing to do with this place but I ain't coming here any more"? Exactly why DO you think you always see signs in certain establishments...."Under new management" or ownership? Because its Business Economics 101, that is why. The owners/managers create the product and make it either "good" or "bad". It isn't the consumers that have that control.

But hey, you keep prattling on about the "inmates are really running the asylum".....and come back to me in about 5 years when you've had some real life living under your belt and then lets see how strongly you hold onto that mantra....

a) not sweeping anything under a rug, i wouldnt consider myself friends with reject OR deus, (i was just giving him the benefit of the doubt)

b) im still fairly sure that the moderators are not the problem and your supposed watered down explanation (for someone as naive as me, although im i dunno what naivety has to do with sentence comphrehension) is essentially guilty of begging the question. (that is, your deduction contains a proposition that assumes the very thing the argument attempts to prove) , not to mention hasty generalizations(just because it happens in blogs, message boards,restaurants, jails, etc does not mean it happens in a specific forum called totse, nor did you provide any evidence for it being so, (see above : begging the question), weak analogies (did you really just compare totse to an asylum (the moderators here by no means have that much power, they do not get paid, all they can do is lock your thread or exert a little bit more influence than the average well known poster, ooh big deal)

but im sure someone as worldy and wise as you already knew taht and somehow you were fallacious for some wise and worldy reason to teach me something.

b) once agian im not trying to ignore the discourse that i have obviously invited (by creathing this thread) , merely trying to facilitate discussion (i just so happen to disagree)

however I would not want to be part of an online community where the moderators were robotic and humourless and do not see that the harm done by their faked public example of rule-breaking is anything other than negligible

I certainly wouldn't want a humorless forum either, and I myself can vouch for the fact that some of the best laughs I get in my life nowadays are from many of the posters AND mods alike on here. But there is a time and place for everything, and putting thought into how I was going to reply to your post I think I've stumbled upon a very simple aspect that sums it up all quite nicely.

Totse BEFORE used to be made up of people that posted like adults and sometimes acted like kids.

Totse TODAY is made up of people posting like kids and sometimes acting like adults.

Too much fluff, not enough substance. Too much game playing, and not enough seriousness. Too many dime-a-dozen sheeps, and not enough unique and intelligent perspectives.

People want to play in a sandbox and act like pre-pubescent children/posters....there are more than enough websites and message forums out there. But again, NO WHERE in the mission statement, FAQ, or Jeff Hunter's lips have I ever read that this should just be some silly joke forum where madcap idiocy prevails and rules the day.

Again I think that you overestimate the scale of the problem

although I am in complete agreement about many of the problems affecting Totse I also believe that the forums still retain a great deal of their spirit, particularly outside the discussion forums

The real reason Totse has 'gone down hill' is because people finally figured out that it's a lot easier to be an idiot, then to think and actually put some effort into a post. Just hanging out 'for lulz' is something this site was NOT created for.

DaGuru, you missed B&M by a couple forums :D

Helpful hint: Half Baked didn't kill totse.

Helpful hint: forcing a viewpoint on a forum seives out only those who will go along with it.

I'm amazed that practically everyone fell for the reject/deus thing

reject began to claim he was deus-redux as part of a troll attempt and deus went along with it because he likes
reject and finds it funny but they are categorically not the same person

I as a regular poster, who only has access to posts on the boards, have no way of knowing whether deus and reject are the same person or not. As far as I am concerned, when someone claims to be someone else on the boards, I have no reason to doubt him until such time comes that evidence to the contrary emerges.

Therefore, for you to have said "categorically" it shows that you have trouble putting yourself in the shoes of
others.

DaGuru although I admire your conviction you are not in possession of the facts
about the deus and reject scenario and have in fact invented a conspiracy in your own head

See above.

Of course Daguru does not possess all the facts, he's not a mod. What he's doing is working with what information
is made available to him, which is just, well, normal.


all it consists of is trolling that you are falling for and if it would not get me banned I could give you
the separate names and locations of each individual along with a short list of posters who have met one or both
of the individuals in real life who could testify and indeed have testified that they are not the same
person

Not speaking on behalf of Daguru:

I don't think it matters whether reject/duex are the same person or not (as in, I don't care if people have met
them separately in real life and can vouch for their "not-the-same-person-ness"). I think the issue is a mod,
namely deux, is allowed to get away of openly admitting to having multiple accounts (for an extended period of
time, no less) with impunity. And I understand that sometimes it is not possible to really prove their guilt,
(seeing as how it's possible to just use a proxy) however I still find it strange that the upper management team
is not stepping in/doing something about someone (a mod, no less) openly flaunting their ability to circumvent a
rule.

I guess what I am trying to say is, for a moderator to be able to claim to have multiple accounts
(provided that it's not actually "true", which can easily be achieved by clever usage of a proxy) and not get into
trouble for it, it reflects very badly on the upper management. For one thing it shows they are powerless as to
deal with proxy-usage-related issues; secondly, it's almost like they are encouraging, (or at the very least, are
not actively discourageing) the rest of us to use proxy.


As for deux trolling I actually don't care. Mods are allowed to troll, just like everybody else.

A quote from IRC is proof of nothing except that some individual or group of
individuals said certain things


It's not about "proving" deux' possession of multiple accounts. It's the fact such quotes/comments are
being made at all with absolutely no negative consequences whatsover. Seriously, what kind of message is the upper
management team sending here?

Because they are two different people. Actually a more accurate thing to say would be: By all the ways we can check it, they are not the same person. There's one or two [or three or four] users that I can think of, that I suspect are the same person. But since I can't prove it, I can't do anything about it..


Well I understand your situation. With the advent of proxies it is quite difficult to prove multiple account usage; however it's not my main point here. See my post above.

not to mention hasty generalizations(just because it happens in blogs, message boards,restaurants, jails, etc does not mean it happens in a specific forum called totse, nor did you provide any evidence for it being so

Ya gotta love the way this guy debates. He claims that Totse is somehow exclusive to most other run organizations in this world, yet doesn't provide any reasoning why. Then claims that I haven't supported any proof, when I already have. (Waitress, spitting in soup, most places/entities are a failure or succes based on their MANAGERS not customers) Alrighty then......

weak analogies (did you really just compare totse to an asylum (the moderators here by no means have that much power, they do not get paid, all they can do is lock your thread or exert a little bit more influence than the average well known poster, ooh big deal)


Actually what I did here is used a common every day known cliche to summarize your mindset of...."the users/customers have more effect on this place then the people in charge". Which is a pretty accurate usage of that cliche.



b) im still fairly sure that the moderators are not the problem and your supposed watered down explanation (for someone as naive as me, although im i dunno what naivety has to do with sentence comphrehension) is essentially guilty of begging the question.

Fine, you want details? I'll give them to you....and I cordially invite you or anyone else on this planet to refute what is mostly FACTUAL about the scenario I'm about to describe. This will also hammer home my point even more of Meta being the biggest scurge on Totse as well as chasing off his fellow moderators from posting normally on the forums that he mods.

-Whatever poster puts up whatever thread, and replies start coming in on that thread. Some of those replies are good, some great, some lousy......and some of those replies are from other moderators of different sections of Totse. (which is more or less another collegue of Meta's that has the same authority saying...."this thread is ok, no rules are being broken, I'm going to add my contribution to this thread")

-Meta locks that thread (usually with no explanation) and goes on his merry way. When he is privately or publicly questioned he'll give some feeble reason (usually which is just his meager SUBJECTIVE opinion, not anything that broke any Totse rule), and oftentimes will even admit to the fact..."I didn't even read the entire thread". So basically he locked a thread just because he didn't like the OP, the title, the first couple of responses, or was coming down from whatever high and needed his hourly power fix.

-He won't reopen the wrongly locked thread, not offer so much as an apology, not try to restrain himself with future locks, not feel any regret or remorse for over-riding another mod's decision and publicly stepping on their toes while undermining the other mod's authority, or even attempt in any future modding decisions to read the WHOLE threads instead while hastily using his modding tools in a willy nilly fashion. He just goes about his day not giving a fuck about anything or anyone else but him and his cool little mod abilities. "Fuck you, because I'm Meta and I can!"

Now then....ALL OF THAT above is absolute truth. There is no "opinion" or "slant" from what I just described.....and these scenarios have been documented time, and time, and time again. If you don't believe me ask around, or better yet spend any amount of time in B & M in any of the lengthier threads and you'll see case after case of this happening. Week after week, month after month, year after year.

If you were a decent poster that just had their post or thread locked for NO LEGITIMATE REASON at all....wouldn't that leave at least some kind of bitter taste in your mouth? Someone that took the time to put up some decent and thought provoking text to add to a conversation....and that time was wasted all because some pissant junkie needs a power fix? And if you were a fellow mod, that just had to "grin and bear it" because after all he IS the untouchable Meta.......exactly how many more threads in his section would you bother entering? Even if you DID decide to answer a thread, you know it might be locked for absolutely no reason at all chances are you wouldn't put too much thought or text up....instead its just a very brief "drive-by" reply. In essence not put your BEST effort up, instead just a very quick and haphazard response.

Again, this isn't something that just happened once, or just started going on this week, or this month. This kind of blatant powertripping nonsense has been going on for literally YEARS. And because he is allowed to get away with it and not reigned in to any degree....it only gets worse and worse with the frequency being more often.

Now you tell me Infidelguy (or anyone else) what kind of decent, intelligent, self-respecting poster is going to tolerate and accept such behavior? Very few, and that is the whole point...any GOOD poster has been chased off by this fuckwit a long time ago. The fact he plays these games daily with no letting up or any limitations at all keeps any "good" poster far away from this place. And again, I ask you to point out any mods that "regularly" post in SG. Mods are supposedly the "best of the best" posters on Totse, yet all of those better posters stay the fuck away from Meta and his mindless gameplaying while trying to repair his tattered ego.

Go ahead Infidelguy......try to vanquish all of the TRUTHFUL and FACTUAL nuances I just brought to the table. Better yet, explain to me why you still believe a moderator doesn't effect the success of a forum.....because I myself don't get your "it just happens, people leave for whatever reason" explanation. Again, the GOOD posters have been run off...and the reason this place is in the shitter is because SOME people with a shitload of clout have ruined it for everyone else.

I like the way DaGuru keeps bringing in specific observations, time and time again, and all the clueless dipshits have is the usually vague template replies, and of course the standard "you complain too much" broken record drivel, and then they have the gall to turn around and ask DaGuru to keep repeating himself just so they can offer up the the same useless shit they've been serving up all along. Pretty fucking pathetic. My advice assholes? Shut your stupid fucking holes until you have something solid to come back with, as blowing smoke out of your lame assholes does nothing to negate DaGuru's claims, and simply serves to make you look even more like blow-hard idiots - if such a thing is even possible.

however I would not want to be part of an online community where the moderators were robotic and humourless and do not see that the harm done by their faked public example of rule-breaking is anything other than negligible

While I agree with you that I would also much prefer that moderators weren't robotic and humorless, I must draw a line between fooling around with no harm done and rule-breaking.

No amount of rule-breakage is negligible. You break any of the explicitly stated rules, you get punished, period. Mods and regulars alike.

As long as no rules are being broken, mods/people can do whatever they want to keep it "interesting", including trolling, which is probably what you were thinking of.

I like the way DaGuru keeps bringing in specific observations, time and time again, and all the clueless dipshits have is the usually vague template replies, and of course the standard "you complain too much" broken record drivel, and then they have the gall to turn around and ask DaGuru to keep repeating himself just so they can offer up the the same useless shit they've been serving up all along. Pretty fucking pathetic. My advice assholes? Shut your stupid fucking holes until you have something solid to come back with, as blowing smoke out of your lame assholes does nothing to negate DaGuru's claims, and simply serves to make you look even more like blow-hard idiots - if such a thing is even possible.

holy shit that was some good stuff.

I like the way DaGuru keeps bringing in specific observations, time and time again, and all the clueless dipshits have is the usually vague template replies, and of course the standard "you complain too much" broken record drivel, and then they have the gall to turn around and ask DaGuru to keep repeating himself just so they can offer up the the same useless shit they've been serving up all along. Pretty fucking pathetic. My advice assholes? Shut your stupid fucking holes until you have something solid to come back with, as blowing smoke out of your lame assholes does nothing to negate DaGuru's claims, and simply serves to make you look even more like blow-hard idiots - if such a thing is even possible.

just what the fuck are you going on about. how the fuck is it specific observation, when he argues his point (that the consumers have no choice, it is infact the administration) from the standpoint of a hotel, or a restaurant, or asylum and somehow transfers that view onto totse without so much as a reason as to why totse and its administration is comparable to a restauarant. the dyanmic is completely different and it should not be compared as such. (again begging the question.) to ME that seems to be the vague answer. and yes time and time again he brings up the fact that moderation is the problem, without so much as using more than 1 example. (and it was pointed out that he was delusional in the fact da guru and reject is the same person). edit: also he mentioned that if we release meta as a super mod, there would be an increase in traffic. that may be so, quality of posters not quantity , would improve totse more (just my opinion, not tyring to kick anythign under any rug)

you seem to me like you are either a big fuckin dumbass, or you love sucking e cock.

hmm, i didnt know there was a template reply to why the moderators of totse are the reason why totse has seen a decline in quality. please enlighten us with your genius on that one, point dexter and i dont know waht the fuck you are talking about i never (and im pretty suree no one else) mentioned that he was complaining. stfu and learn to play.

to me it seems that you are despartely trying to get someones attention with that post (as it served no purpose to the content of the thread, except to insult people (thereby getting attention) or da guru to think you are one cool lad (thereby getting more attention) congradulation, you at least got my attention: i now think you are an asshole.

nobody wants your stupid ignoramous advice, and btw it doesnt even make sense there have been very good arguments, i think maybe the problem lies in the fact that you re probly a little bit on the slow side, (not the sharpest bulb in the shed)

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/CLI/17431~Sacred-Heart-of-Jesus-Posters.jpg

and all the clueless dipshits have is the usually vague template replies, and of course the standard "you complain too much" broken record drivel

Few posters remember SG before VB, let alone were here for Big Blue. It's sad, really.

Few posters remember SG before VB, let alone were here for Big Blue. It's sad, really.

WHats big blue?

just what the fuck are you going on about. how the fuck is it specific observation, when he argues his point (that the consumers have no choice, it is infact the administration) from the standpoint of a hotel, or a restaurant, or asylum and somehow transfers that view onto totse without so much as a reason as to why totse and its administration is comparable to a restauarant. the dyanmic is completely different and it should not be compared as such. (again begging the question.) to ME that seems to be the vague answer. and yes time and time again he brings up the fact that moderation is the problem, without so much as using more than 1 example. (and it was pointed out that he was delusional in the fact da guru and reject is the same person). edit: also he mentioned that if we release meta as a super mod, there would be an increase in traffic. that may be so, quality of posters not quantity , would improve totse more (just my opinion, not tyring to kick anythign under any rug)

you seem to me like you are either a big fuckin dumbass, or you love sucking e cock.

hmm, i didnt know there was a template reply to why the moderators of totse are the reason why totse has seen a decline in quality. please enlighten us with your genius on that one, point dexter and i dont know waht the fuck you are talking about i never (and im pretty suree no one else) mentioned that he was complaining. stfu and learn to play.

to me it seems that you are despartely trying to get someones attention with that post (as it served no purpose to the content of the thread, except to insult people (thereby getting attention) or da guru to think you are one cool lad (thereby getting more attention) congradulation, you at least got my attention: i now think you are an asshole.

nobody wants your stupid ignoramous advice, and btw it doesnt even make sense there have been very good arguments, i think maybe the problem lies in the fact that you re probly a little bit on the slow side, (not the sharpest bulb in the shed)

Picking through your pile of rather steaming shit here, all I see is more useless blather. The single thing I can decipher from it is that you think there is actually no template response to DaGuru's specific concerns. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you, but if you have been following this closely for the past year or so like I have, and if you've read every word of every post like I have, you would not be making such a completely asinine comment as you have apparently made just now. It's already common knowledge that there are a bunch of parrots around here who constantly spew the same line over and over again... ad-nauseum. "We are sick of hearing of you!", they'll say, with all their worldly wisdom and empty retorts. "How dare you point out stuff!?", is another common smoke-ring blown straight out of the familiar stupid asses around here. Don't tell me there are no template responses, 'cause they're all over the fucking site.




p.s. You have 11 spelling errors in this post alone. Please be a little less... uhhh... illiterate... in the future, ya know? You hurt my eyeballs when you post like a back-woods, buck-toothed hill-billy that just dropped out in third-grade. Have some consideration, ya know?

WHats big blue?

The layout scheme before UBB.

Picking through your pile of rather steaming shit here, all I see is more useless blather. The single thing I can decipher from it is that you think there is actually no template response to DaGuru's specific concerns. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you, but if you have been following this closely for the past year or so like I have, and if you've read every word of every post like I have, you would not be making such a completely asinine comment as you have apparently made just now. It's already common knowledge that there are a bunch of parrots around here who constantly spew the same line over and over again... ad-nauseum. "We are sick of hearing of you!", they'll say, with all their worldly wisdom and empty retorts. "How dare you point out stuff!?", is another common smoke-ring blown straight out of the familiar stupid asses around here. Don't tell me there are no template responses, 'cause they're all over the fucking site.




p.s. You have 11 spelling errors in this post alone. Please be a little less... uhhh... illiterate... in the future, ya know? You hurt my eyeballs when you post like a back-woods, buck-toothed hill-billy that just dropped out in third-grade. Have some consideration, ya know?

this response is so mediocore, im not even going to bother..(btw everything i wrote, save some inane spelling errors, is completely accurate and deciperable (you just need to have an IQ above 50 you dumb fuck )

also, im sorry i dont go around creeping everybodys forum posts, and im pretty sure there are no template response to this exact situation, as im sure it hasnt occured enough times for there to be a regularly used answer. or were you trying to say that everything da guru says has a template repsonse (somehow). just stfu, and quit while urhead.

*feel free to count all my spealing mistkaes and correct them, if it helps you to understand.

as im sure it hasnt occured enough times for there to be a regularly used answer. or were you trying to say that everything da guru says has a template repsonse (somehow)

You sure of nothing. In fact, you obviously don't even know enough about this to make any sort of comment about it. If you did know about it, you'd know there are at least 100 parrot-posts in the past 6 months alone, and if you do not believe me, simply run a report on all DaGuru's posts, click on one, then look at the posts which immediately follow his; that should shut you up pretty good.... not saying it will.. just saying it should.



*feel free to count all my spealing mistkaes and correct them, if it helps you to understand.Thirteen spelling mistakes this time! Have you never heard of schools! Schools are where you learn to spell! Google keyword "school" at once, son! Don't wait! Everyone's doing it!

Few posters remember SG before VB, let alone were here for Big Blue. It's sad, really.

I was here for UBB! :)

WHats big blue?

BIG BLUE! That's from my lurking days.

Here is my take on this thread's topic:

I joined totse with my first account 6, almost 7 years ago, did some lurking prior, so I've seen quite a lot in regards to totse's changing atmosphere. Throughout 03, threads such as this existed even then; people were discussing and debating a seeming failure of totse's ability to support well reasoned and stimulating threads. It was often stated in that year that the underlying reason of this 'illusion' was the seasons of schooling. It was said that there was a wave of 'kidiots' every summer that took over the site for their break. This was a burden many posters did not enjoy, but endured. Fall of '03, totse slowly returned to its equilibrium. At this point, we had a wealth of well reasoned individuals with a capacity for deep thought and provocative ideas. The discussion, even in SG, was often intelligent and interesting; forums such as My God, SnA, Humanities, SotD, P:LRC, aRnR, BLTC, BB flourished with information. Now, mind you, these forums were still plagued with about 50% absolute retardation even during the 'kidiot' off-season. Even without kids included, most totseans just aren't capable of much anything respectable. I will later discuss those members that were worthy of respect.

The summer of '04, we had the next wave of jackasses. The forums were plagued with memes as always, but something was different this time...SG was under a constant attack. The front page was nearly daily filled with clone threads, word associations, Chuck Norris vs. (anything), attacks on Snoopy and other mods...as sad as it was, SaturnRocketX was one of the better informed posters that summer. Come fall of 04, a few of the common contributing members of thoughtful discourse were no longer posting whatsoever. Due to their ability to function as human beings, life took the place of totse. This trend would continue to happen, alongside a trend of the new generation of posters being completely inept at all forms of 'real life' (a term the majority of totseans do not understand anymore - totse has always been a home for the weird members of society, but they were at least members of society).

With the advancement of communication technology and the regression of language as a result of such, the new generation of the world has a forcefully dull mental capacity and an intense handicap in textual and verbal expressions: linguistics and personal encounters are being eroded in favor of faceless methods of 'newspeaking'. Our social instincts are being slain in the youth. This has led to an abundant population of miscreants so heavily anti-social that even the older generation of totse marvel at their incomprehensible ignorance.

Aside from that social observation, those who overcome this handicap tend to be rather well adjusted to decent living, and are rather turned off by the social atmosphere now present in totse: it is difficult to find a reason to spend ANY of your time on totse if you are capable of living happily in the real world.

Combining these three occurrences, (that is: the inability of the older generation to hold together well enough to school the new generation, the forceful internet gathering of the socially maladjusted, the rational internet retreat of the socially adept) it is only natural that totse, once subject only to waves of idiocy, has now been all but obliterated.

To bring back even the possibility of a totse renaissance would require such a widespread change of heart within the younger generation as a whole. They have no interest in anything but instant gratification; as such, long term satisfaction is an archaic concept never to be known by them. With the world as it currently is, totse will only continue to decline.

Thanks to those who took the time to read this post.

I was here for UBB! :)

As was I. The wait took a long ass time.

BIG BLUE! That's from my lurking days.

Here is my take on this thread's topic:

I joined totse with my first account 6, almost 7 years ago, did some lurking prior, so I've seen quite a lot in regards to totse's changing atmosphere. Throughout 03, threads such as this existed even then; people were discussing and debating a seeming failure of totse's ability to support well reasoned and stimulating threads. It was often stated in that year that the underlying reason of this 'illusion' was the seasons of schooling. It was said that there was a wave of 'kidiots' every summer that took over the site for their break. This was a burden many posters did not enjoy, but endured. Fall of '03, totse slowly returned to its equilibrium. At this point, we had a wealth of well reasoned individuals with a capacity for deep thought and provocative ideas. The discussion, even in SG, was often intelligent and interesting; forums such as My God, SnA, Humanities, SotD, P:LRC, aRnR, BLTC, BB flourished with information. Now, mind you, these forums were still plagued with about 50% absolute retardation even during the 'kidiot' off-season. Even without kids included, most totseans just aren't capable of much anything respectable. I will later discuss those members that were worthy of respect.

The summer of '04, we had the next wave of jackasses. The forums were plagued with memes as always, but something was different this time...SG was under a constant attack. The front page was nearly daily filled with clone threads, word associations, Chuck Norris vs. (anything), attacks on Snoopy and other mods...as sad as it was, SaturnRocketX was one of the better informed posters that summer. Come fall of 04, a few of the common contributing members of thoughtful discourse were no longer posting whatsoever. Due to their ability to function as human beings, life took the place of totse. This trend would continue to happen, alongside a trend of the new generation of posters being completely inept at all forms of 'real life' (a term the majority of totseans do not understand anymore - totse has always been a home for the weird members of society, but they were at least members of society).

With the advancement of communication technology and the regression of language as a result of such, the new generation of the world has a forcefully dull mental capacity and an intense handicap in textual and verbal expressions: linguistics and personal encounters are being eroded in favor of faceless methods of 'newspeaking'. Our social instincts are being slain in the youth. This has led to an abundant population of miscreants so heavily anti-social that even the older generation of totse marvel at their incomprehensible ignorance.

Aside from that social observation, those who overcome this handicap tend to be rather well adjusted to decent living, and are rather turned off by the social atmosphere now present in totse: it is difficult to find a reason to spend ANY of your time on totse if you are capable of living happily in the real world.

Combining these three occurrences, (that is: the inability of the older generation to hold together well enough to school the new generation, the forceful internet gathering of the socially maladjusted, the rational internet retreat of the socially adept) it is only natural that totse, once subject only to waves of idiocy, has now been all but obliterated.

To bring back even the possibility of a totse renaissance would require such a widespread change of heart within the younger generation as a whole. They have no interest in anything but instant gratification; as such, long term satisfaction is an archaic concept never to be known by them. With the world as it currently is, totse will only continue to decline.

Thanks to those who took the time to read this post.

See, this is what I hate about how totse has evolved. Ever since SG has come under the reign of moderators (who, out of dutiful respect, shall not be named) who love to enforce their will on the forum, the population has dramatically declined. It's not just the population in number, but it killed the will to live. Totse is more than just SG and HB, but those forums really draw in the crowds and crowds tend to disperse into their own niches. When you have a whimsical decree of what is and is not proper to post in SG, especially those who have been posting for years, you tend to anger people enough such that they never come back. This is evidenced in actual events, as those of us who have been around for a while would know.

Totse shall never come back to its former glory until this jackboot mentality is thrown in the trash. I try my best to foster discussion and help in my forums. I do not immediately lock a thread unless its topic is not anywhere close to the forum description or it is obvious it is a troll thread. This, opposed to in SG where asking a simple question where we can get together in some lovey-dovey fashion is immediately locked, even though there is absolutely nowhere else to post it. (Sorry, but HB is not a trashcan forum. SG is the catch-all forum, not HB.)

Totse is found because of our text files. It is found because a person seeks knowledge. A person who seeks knowledge is not satisfied with instant gratification. He seeks something more, and possesses intellect, which fuels the desire to learn. It is my opinion, therefore, that posters here, for the most part, have an inkling of desire to learn but the immature ones see Meta, et al, as a scarecrow because he makes himself out to be one, a target.

This is not the Wild West where law is dictated directly by those directly in charge. The forum descriptions, Jeff, and the administrators are the surpreme law.

Do not pick apart my post, but take it as a whole.

How come daguru is constantly saying that he has all the support of totse, when WAN is the only person he can get to agree with him? :o

A person who seeks knowledge is not satisfied with instant gratification. He seeks something more, and possesses intellect, which fuels the desire to learn. Wow, ArgonPlasma2000. This was one of the best posts I've even seen on Totse. I was wondering if you had it in you, but now I feel that I know you a lot better, through what you have said here. Good knowing you better.

How come daguru is constantly saying that he has all the support of totse, when WAN is the only person he can get to agree with him? :o

WTF fictional foolishness are you making up now? Show just ONE example where I claim to have "all" of the support of Totse......much less constantly saying so. Cue the crickets on that note folks, because in true Snoopy/Xenobite/Dandy Crab fashion, he can't ever deliver or back the bullshit he brings.

Go back to the little kid's table Snoops, this conversation is for the big people around here. This topic is way over your pea-brained mind, and you are way way way out of your league in this discussion.

WTF fictional foolishness are you making up now? Show just ONE example where I claim to have "all" of the support of Totse......much less constantly saying so. Cue the crickets on that note folks, because in true Snoopy/Xenobite/Dandy Crab fashion, he can't ever deliver or back the bullshit he brings.

Go back to the little kid's table Snoops, this conversation is for the big people around here. This topic is way over your pea-brained mind, and you are way way way out of your league in this discussion.

Big people like deus and reject? :D

Daguru, enough crap now. I expect a full report on what you have accomplished so far in your crusade against the management, and I expect it on my desk, in print, before the end of this hour.

Go, go, go!

If you were a decent poster that just had their post or thread locked for NO LEGITIMATE REASON at all....wouldn't that leave at least some kind of bitter taste in your mouth? Someone that took the time to put up some decent and thought provoking text to add to a conversation....and that time was wasted all because some pissant junkie needs a power fix? And if you were a fellow mod, that just had to "grin and bear it" because after all he IS the untouchable Meta.......exactly how many more threads in his section would you bother entering? Even if you DID decide to answer a thread, you know it might be locked for absolutely no reason at all chances are you wouldn't put too much thought or text up....instead its just a very brief "drive-by" reply. In essence not put your BEST effort up, instead just a very quick and haphazard response.

Again, this isn't something that just happened once, or just started going on this week, or this month. This kind of blatant powertripping nonsense has been going on for literally YEARS. And because he is allowed to get away with it and not reigned in to any degree....it only gets worse and worse with the frequency being more often.

DaGuru I would like to see a few examples of intelligent, thought-provoking and well-thought-out threads that have been unjustifiably closed by Metaphysicist

three or four would suffice as I cannot personally recall any examples of this

Big people like deus and reject? :D


Uh huh, and notice how efficiently I ran him off this thread? Perhaps you should invest in a motorcycle helmet or something. Because when I run you off this thread, you wouldn't want all of the dust that Deus/Reject made in his hasty retreat to get in your eyes, mouth or hair when following his same path.



I expect a full report on what you have accomplished so far in your crusade against the management

WTF is this "accomplishing" idiocy you are prattling on about now? Why should I come on here and seek to "accomplish" anything? Dude, I get plenty of shit done IRL and use Totse as a way to unwind.....mental masturbation. It's only no life cretins like you that have to log into an online community of strangers and "do" something to give your existence meaning.

You really are one raging hypocrite, ain't ya? On one hand you expect people to log on here and "accomplish things".....yet on the other hand you are the champion of one-liners of idiocy and overused memes. How do you sincerely expect to turn this place into some chatroom lite experience like you think it should be....yet then expect everyone to "accomplishing things" once you've dissolved this place into a playground for kidiots? As usual, your logic makes absolutely no sense......

Uh huh, and notice how efficiently I ran him off this thread? Perhaps you should invest in a motorcycle helmet or something. Because when I run you off this thread, you wouldn't want all of the dust that Deus/Reject made in his hasty retreat to get in your eyes, mouth or hair when following his same path.

Perhaps discussion on Totse is going downhill because some posters seek to force other users away from threads they were participating in

this thread is off-topic enough as it is and I for one will not be participating in any more discussion not relevant to the thread title

DaGuru I would like to see a few examples of intelligent, thought-provoking and well-thought-out threads that have been unjustifiably closed by Metaphysicist

three or four would suffice as I cannot personally recall any examples of this

You're completely transparent. You are attempting to socially-engineer DaGuru into providing examples of Metaphysicist's "mistakes" in a feeble attempt to stand by on the side-lines and watch the result. We all know these examples of yours can be found, there was never any question of that. It's no surprise at all if one were to find such examples from each and every moderator here. My advice? Shut your stupid hole.

DaGuru I would like to see a few examples of intelligent, thought-provoking and well-thought-out threads that have been unjustifiably closed by Metaphysicist

three or four would suffice as I cannot personally recall any examples of this

Shut your cunt hole you irregularly-shaped slice of nigger pie, you are starting to piss me off

Daguru never said anything about "intelligent, thought-provoking and well-thought-out threads" got closed (though I could be wrong), what he did say was that threads got closed for no legitimate reason. Besides, I tend to believe that poor moderating goes beyond the locking/closing of intelligent threads. It also involves the closing of (potentially) funny troll threads. I mean this is SG, where people come to hang out, have fun and have their funny bone tickled, it's not like it's one of the more serious, discussion-oriented forums.

Also, argonplasma brought up a very good point that get-together threads get locked..etc. Furthermore, I have my own proof, see this thread of my creation: http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2184706&highlight=self-align; would you not say it was intelligent, well-thought-out and thought-provoking? In it I attempted to find out how a native speaker's brain works when trying to construct a sentence in English. But where did it end up? In the motherfucking trashcan. Seriously, what the shit kind of moderating is this? When an apparently thought-provoking thread got moved to NIMF? (note: I actually don't know who the mod was that moved it ) My point is, the current moderators of SG take things way too seriously (with a little bit of poor moderating judgment thrown in). SG is a place for people to come hang out and talk, who cares if threads here are not "up to par" with what passes for other, more serious forums? Slowly through the mods' stranglehold on this place, SG is fast losing it's lustre, not to mention good posters.

Uh huh, and notice how efficiently I ran him off this thread? Perhaps you should invest in a motorcycle helmet or something. Because when I run you off this thread, you wouldn't want all of the dust that Deus/Reject made in his hasty retreat to get in your eyes, mouth or hair when following his same path.

Big talk for a small, small man. If I remember correctly, you claimed you would "evict" me from totse for good. So, how come I'm still here?



WTF is this "accomplishing" idiocy you are prattling on about now? Why should I come on here and seek to "accomplish" anything?

Yes... why indeed. People have been scratching their heads over why the fuck you keep fighting a lost battle.

DaGuru (0) - Totse's Managment(OVER 9000!!!:mad:)

Dude, I get plenty of shit done IRL and use Totse as a way to unwind.....mental masturbation.

We all know you're 20 and live in your mom's garage.

It's only no life cretins like you that have to log into an online community of strangers and "do" something to give your existence meaning.

Trolling fuckups like you doesn't give me meaning, but it sure gives me lulz. You're probably the most pissed off person in existence. You need to settle down a bit man. Smoke a joint, take a chill pill. I can hook you up too.

You really are one raging hypocrite, ain't ya? On one hand you expect people to log on here and "accomplish things".....

I don't expect that. It's you and spectral who are constantly going on about contribution and accomplishments and how much you fags did for this place. You haven't done a thing, except flood the forums in your baby tearz.

yet on the other hand you are the champion of one-liners of idiocy and overused memes.

That's your opinion man. Some people love me for my sharp one-liners, super trolling skill and over the top drunken bad-assery. Like, most of the management peeps. I don't see why I should change my persona when so many cool people are cool with it, and so many squares are crying over it.

How do you sincerely expect to turn this place into some chatroom lite experience like you think it should be....

I don't expect anything. I'm here to have fun, and fun I have. You're the one who's all bitter and shit. Do you take everything so seriously?

yet then expect everyone to "accomplishing things" once you've dissolved this place into a playground for kidiots? As usual, your logic makes absolutely no sense......

You repeated that same silly question like 3 times in one post. No wonder you always post such long shitty crap. I think I'll just repeat my one liners 300 times and make DaGuru posts from now on.

You chubby little devil you!

Shut your cunt hole you irregularly-shaped slice of nigger pie, you are starting to piss me off

Daguru never said anything about "intelligent, thought-provoking and well-thought-out threads" got closed (though I could be wrong), what he did say was that threads got closed for no legitimate reason. Besides, I tend to believe that poor moderating goes beyond the locking/closing of intelligent threads. It also involves the closing of (potentially) funny troll threads. I mean this is SG, where people come to hang out, have fun and have their funny bone tickled, it's not like it's one of the more serious, discussion-oriented forums.

Also, argonplasma brought up a very good point that get-together threads get locked..etc. Furthermore, I have my own proof, see this thread of my creation: http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2184706&highlight=self-align; would you not say it was intelligent, well-thought-out and thought-provoking? In it I attempted to find out how a native speaker's brain works when trying to construct a sentence in English. But where did it end up? In the motherfucking trashcan. Seriously, what the shit kind of moderating is this? When an apparently thought-provoking thread got moved to NIMF? (note: I actually don't know who the mod was that moved it ) My point is, the current moderators of SG take things way too seriously. SG is a place for people to come hang out and talk, who cares if threads here are not "up to par" with what passes for other, more serious forums? Slowly through the mods' stranglehold on this place, SG is fast losing it's lustre, not to mention good posters.

Good points, WAN. If it has any content at all in it which is on topic, and it is garnering a community spirit, there is absolutely no harm in allowing it to stay right where it is. There is just so much complete useless garbage on Totse that it is ludicrous to move or lock anything that even remotely resembles honest content.

Whenever I read a post by wan, spectral or daguru, I get...

http://www.synclinalllun.net/dumbshit/oleskool/funzy.gif


:o

Perhaps discussion on Totse is going downhill because some posters seek to force other users away from threads they were participating in

Give me a FUCKING break

How does one, on a MOTHERFUCKING message board, "force people away" from threads?

It's not Daguru's fault that he's such a good debater that his opponents have no more to bring to the table for discussion, a phenomenon otherwisely known as "pwnage", which in your confused homosexual mind, translates into "running someone off a thread".

You stupid shit.


this thread is off-topic enough as it is and I for one will not be participating in any more discussion not relevant to the thread title

Dumb cunt.

Threads are constantly evolving, going into all sorts of directions/tangents. In fact this is one of the reasons why online message board participation has such appeal. New topics and concepts are constantly being introduced by people, and discussions pertaining to all manners of things are happening all the time.

But I don't expect a shit-covered cunt face like you to appreciate this.

Give me a FUCKING break

How does one, on a MOTHERFUCKING message board, "force people away" from threads?

It's not Daguru's fault that he's such a good debater that his opponents have no more to bring to the table for discussion, a phenomenon otherwisely known as "pwnage", which in your confused homosexual mind, translates into "running someone off a thread".

You stupid shit.



Dumb cunt.

Threads are constantly evolving, going into all sorts of directions/tangents. In fact this is one of the reasons why online message board participation has such appeal. New topics and concepts are constantly being introduced by people, and discussions pertaining to all manners of things are happening all the time.

But I don't suppose a shit-covered cunt face like you to appreciate this.

Oh man... oh damn... oh... :o

http://www.synclinalllun.net/dumbshit/oleskool/funzy.gif

[blather omitted]

I thought I killed you....

*reaches slowly for 45-caliber under jacket*

I thought I killed you....

*reaches slowly for 45 calibre under jacket*

I have a .50 cal heavy machinegun fitted on my Yugo you fool. You can't stop me!

edit: lulz at you removing the fonzie pic from your quote. Couldn't handle the jerk, huh? :D

DaGuru I would like to see a few examples of intelligent, thought-provoking and well-thought-out threads that have been unjustifiably closed by Metaphysicist

three or four would suffice as I cannot personally recall any examples of this

I've already directed you to the appropriate place to find a litany of examples......any "Fuck you Meta" thread, or any other thread in B & M that is over 3 pages. I ain't your secretary, so I'm not going to take the mundane time out of my day to direct you exactly to what is already a known commune fact around here.

But hey, since Meta's most RECENT thread lock ain't that too hard to find....should we put that under the microscrope?

Posting lyrics in a thread is not allowed. Do you think a threead of lyrics is?

Nigga please!

http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2186856

Where in the FAQ is this rule found? Perhaps it's in the SG rules? Or is this just another "MAKE IT UP AS I GO ALONG" Meta rule that is stifling the fun/life out of this community?

Seriously, what in the HELL harm did that thread do to this place? That is part of the "chilling out/communal/everyone enjoying each other's company".....everyone is talking about wanting to recapture. There is no reason for that thread to be locked, nor is it in any way "damaging" to Totse....short or long term.

Now before any chump decides to chime in and say something simple like......"But mods do have the right/discretion to instill forum specific rules to their like if its under their judgement it would better the forum they moderate"....please save your breath. We ALL get that. Sure Meta has the buttons and he can do as he sees fit......ohhhhhhhh tough guy. But again going back to the topic of this thread....it is his over handed and ego driven modding that IS ruining this place. Who cares if he "can", that still doesn't make it right....nor does it negate the fact that he is.

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That lyrics thread sure was generating a whole lot of discussion and I definitely believe everybody was reading each other's posts instead of just posting the lyrics to the coolest song they knew in an effort to gain recognition for their cool taste in music

and being as there's an official Meta bitch thread in B&M I think it's reasonable to confine complaints about Meta in B&M to that thread instead of letting them spam up the place

Perhaps discussion on Totse is going downhill because some posters seek to force other users away from threads they were participating in

this thread is off-topic enough as it is and I for one will not be participating in any more discussion not relevant to the thread title

Darwinism 101. NOWHERE in any of my posts have I ever promoted a message that any/all people that find this place should be able to post.

Call that arrogant, conceited or whatever....... but its a big ocean out here in the internet, and there are a lot of big and nasty fishies lurking about. GTFO of the water if the pool you've chosen is too treacherous.

If someone is so butthurt that they can be emotionally "ran off" a thread in a community of strangers that they have no control over....then perhaps they shouldn't have invested that many emotions in the place to begin with?

Big talk for a small, small man. If I remember correctly, you claimed you would "evict" me from totse for good. So, how come I'm still here?





Yes... why indeed. People have been scratching their heads over why the fuck you keep fighting a lost battle.

DaGuru (0) - Totse's Managment(OVER 9000!!!:mad:)



We all know you're 20 and live in your mom's garage.



Trolling fuckups like you doesn't give me meaning, but it sure gives me lulz. You're probably the most pissed off person in existence. You need to settle down a bit man. Smoke a joint, take a chill pill. I can hook you up too.



I don't expect that. It's you and spectral who are constantly going on about contribution and accomplishments and how much you fags did for this place. You haven't done a thing, except flood the forums in your baby tearz.



That's your opinion man. Some people love me for my sharp one-liners, super trolling skill and over the top drunken bad-assery. Like, most of the management peeps. I don't see why I should change my persona when so many cool people are cool with it, and so many squares are crying over it.



I don't expect anything. I'm here to have fun, and fun I have. You're the one who's all bitter and shit. Do you take everything so seriously?



You repeated that same silly question like 3 times in one post. No wonder you always post such long shitty crap. I think I'll just repeat my one liners 300 times and make DaGuru posts from now on.

You chubby little devil you!

He goes back to the kiddy table and instead of trying to add something to this thread that is on topic, just more ficitional fairy tale telling. Just how many pees CAN you balance on a fork at the same time before eating them?

The lyrics thread is a game thread. It should have been either posted in the music forum or HB (the only forum where games are allowed).

Meta just decided to close it, which a mod has a right to do. If a thread doesn't belong in a forum, the mod can chose to either move it or close it. Closing a thread is actually better because then you give the poster a chance to put the thread in the correct forum himself. It's like a sing of good faith. One which is rarely respected. Usually these fuckups will post a bitching thread (in the wrong forum) within minutes of it being closed.

Next! :cool:

He goes back to the kiddy table and instead of trying to add something to this thread that is on topic, just more ficitional fairy tale telling. Just how many pees CAN you balance on a fork at the same time before eating them?

http://www.synclinalllun.net/dumbshit/oleskool/funzy.gif

Dude, honestly! :o

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That lyrics thread sure was generating a whole lot of discussion and I definitely believe everybody was reading each other's posts instead of just posting the lyrics to the coolest song they knew in an effort to gain recognition for their cool taste in music

and being as there's an official Meta bitch thread in B&M I think it's reasonable to confine complaints about Meta in B&M to that thread instead of letting them spam up the place

That was quite a lot of gibberish, and I'm sorry...but perhaps I'm just slow right now as I'm only on my first cup of Joe this morning.

Exactly WHAT Totse rule did that thread break, that Meta just HAD to close it???????

And I'm not talking about Meta's wronging doing being the "Meta Fuck You" threads are all merged into one place. I'm telling you it is IN THOSE THREADS that will direct you to example, upon example, upon example, upon example (and direct links) to threads that Meta wrongfully locks.

Slow down there bub, you are getting all befuddled and confused at who is saying what to you.

That was quite a lot of gibberish, and I'm sorry...but perhaps I'm just slow right now as I'm only on my first cup of Joe this morning.

Exactly WHAT Totse rule did that thread break, that Meta just HAD to close it???????

And I'm not talking about Meta's wronging doing being the "Meta Fuck You" threads are all merged into one place. I'm telling you it is IN THOSE THREADS that will direct you to example, upon example, upon example, upon example (and direct links) to threads that Meta wrongfully locks.

Slow down there bub, you are getting all befuddled and confused at who is saying what to you.

Meta closed it just to piss you off. I say job well done! :cool:

Now before any chump decides to chime in and say something simple like......"But mods do have the right/discretion to instill forum specific rules to their like if its under their judgement it would better the forum they moderate"....please save your breath. We ALL get that. Sure Meta has the buttons and he can do as he sees fit......ohhhhhhhh tough guy. But again going back to the topic of this thread....it is his over handed and ego driven modding that IS ruining this place. Who cares if he "can", that still doesn't make it right....nor does it negate the fact that he is.





Meta just decided to close it, which a mod has a right to do.



Poor Snoops...still ain't listening or paying attention, are you? Thanks for responding so quickly to the title of "Chump" though....

BTW.....the over/under Vegas odds of Snoopy's Fonzi picture spamming over all over these boards is only 50 in 3 days. I think that number is a bit low myself, who else is putting their $$$$$ on the over?

That was quite a lot of gibberish, and I'm sorry...but perhaps I'm just slow right now as I'm only on my first cup of Joe this morning.

Exactly WHAT Totse rule did that thread break, that Meta just HAD to close it???????

And I'm not talking about Meta's wronging doing being the "Meta Fuck You" threads are all merged into one place. I'm telling you it is IN THOSE THREADS that will direct you to example, upon example, upon example, upon example (and direct links) to threads that Meta wrongfully locks.

Slow down there bub, you are getting all befuddled and confused at who is saying what to you.

As Snoopy just pointed out it is commonly accepted by moderators and administration that game threads belong in HB; even though the Totse rules do not contain specific guidelines as to exactly what belongs in each forum it would be similarly inappropriate to post religious discussion in Oh The Humanities! when a better location exists for it

seeing as you constantly ask people to provide proof for their claims I am going to have to go ahead and ask you again to post some examples of threads closed by Metaphysicist that are thought-provoking and generating a lot of conversation

Poor Snoops...still ain't listening or paying attention, are you? Thanks for responding so quickly to the title of "Chump" though....

BTW.....the over/under Vegas odds of Snoopy's Fonzi picture spamming over all over these boards is only 50 in 3 days. I think that number is a bit low myself, who else is putting their $$$$$ on the over?

I'm sorry bro, you're not old enough to gamble. :o

http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2186856

Where in the FAQ is this rule found? Perhaps it's in the SG rules? Or is this just another "MAKE IT UP AS I GO ALONG" Meta rule that is stifling the fun/life out of this community?

Seriously, what in the HELL harm did that thread do to this place? That is part of the "chilling out/communal/everyone enjoying each other's company".....everyone is talking about wanting to recapture. There is no reason for that thread to be locked, nor is it in any way "damaging" to Totse....short or long term.

Now before any chump decides to chime in and say something simple like......"But mods do have the right/discretion to instill forum specific rules to their like if its under their judgement it would better the forum they moderate"....please save your breath. We ALL get that. Sure Meta has the buttons and he can do as he sees fit......ohhhhhhhh tough guy. But again going back to the topic of this thread....it is his over handed and ego driven modding that IS ruining this place. Who cares if he "can", that still doesn't make it right....nor does it negate the fact that he is.

I absolutely agree. Threads are constantly being closed for entirely arbitrary reasons ("errr, I am closing this because whatever it is you are doing, it's not allowed. Even though it's not really laid out in any of the explicitly stated rules, however since I, the mod, with all the power vested in me, say so, you better believe it's the way it's gonna be)

Might does not make right. Just because a mod can do certain things, such as making up rules as he sees fit, it doesn't mean he won't have to account himself to the rest of boards. Well maybe not in an official manner, since we the regulars aren't his superior, however in a moral sense definitely.

We the ruled want rationale behind the rules directly affecting us. We want to be convinced that the rules are just, that they make sense, that they are not arbitrarily sprung upon us at the whim of those in position of power.

Seriously, what in the HELL harm did that thread do to this place? That is part of the "chilling out/communal/everyone enjoying each other's company".....everyone is talking about wanting to recapture. There is no reason for that thread to be locked, nor is it in any way "damaging" to Totse....short or long term.

Now before any chump decides to chime in and say something simple like......"But mods do have the right/discretion to instill forum specific rules to their like if its under their judgement it would better the forum they moderate"....please save your breath. We ALL get that. Sure Meta has the buttons and he can do as he sees fit......ohhhhhhhh tough guy. But again going back to the topic of this thread....it is his over handed and ego driven modding that IS ruining this place. Who cares if he "can", that still doesn't make it right....nor does it negate the fact that he is.

I absolutely agree. Threads are constantly being closed for entirely arbitrary reasons ("errr, I am closing this because whatever it is you are doing, it's not allowed. Even though it's not really laid out in any of the explicitly stated rules, however since I, the mod, with all the power vested in me, say so, you better believe it's the way it's gonna be)

Might does not make right. Just because a mod can do certain things, such as making up rules as he sees fit, it doesn't mean he won't have to account himself to the rest of boards. Well maybe not in an official manner, since we the regulars aren't his superior, however in a moral sense definitely.

We the ruled want rationale behind the rules directly affecting us. We want to be convinced that the rules are just, that they make sense, that they are not arbitrarily sprung upon us at the whim of those in position of power.

Someone has centipedes in her vagina and her name starts with W and ends with an l and the other letters are writing ritingANove and I'm quoting her in this very post. :eek:

So i was thinking, would it be incredibly hard to implement a system unlike slashdot or spikedhumor, where the quality posts get upvoted and put in bold, and the less than quality posts gets minimized (you can still see the poster, etc but you have to expand to see the shittiness of their post)

im not sure if this would work in an enviroment like totse, or it may construed as being against totses hailed support for unbridled freedom of speech. (which in actuality is impposible to implement with the law being how it is, but so it goes, im not really a fan of child porn, or lets assassinate the president threads)

anyways, just an idea i was thought of.

WAN: i don't know about anyone pwning anyone into submission, this is a forum of open discussion. every body (save a few) have introduced and argued very valid points, he certainly didnt run me off nor pwn me, i hardly call back and forth discussion of him arguing his points, pwnage. (although i neglected to reply to his post, mostly because i have nothing further to say, he made his point, i made mine) . now my question to you is. how do you put up with the constant stink of having your nose lodged in his asshole.

da guru:
why totse could not be compared with an asylum or a cafe or a restaurant. it is because totse is a unique entity on the internet, and it should be treated as a specific case, with no reference of comparison. this dynamic of the old demographic clashing with the new demographic clashing with the apparent conceited, and inept moderators, is a very unique scenario, and should be dealt with as such. but mostly i happen to agree with your prior post.

you're right meta is stifling the fun out of SG, but its been like that SINCE he was made mod (who btw was chosen because of his constant availibility, before this SG had a problem of mods never being around), and before SG , bltc was a fachist meta-regime. but other meta i struggle to find another mod who 'stifles' the life of totse, but one thing i have noticed, is on some forums there has not been a mod presence in a long time. (although these forums moderate themselves, pretty much). although meta may be causin problems, he runs SG through his iron will and to his credit, there aren't too many spammers anymore.

bum wax: i see WAN no longer thinks you are adorable and "such a cutieeee", you are doing something right (in my books)

As Snoopy just pointed out it is commonly accepted by moderators and administration that game threads belong in HB


You are absolutely dead wrong on that note, as "Post your Desktop" themed threads have been all over SG for as long as I've been here. And what you are MISTAKENLY describing as a "game thread" is more similar to that. And again you are only hammering my point home that much more.

Sure if someone wants to go waaaaaaaaay round robins barn to come up with some weird and completely subjective intrepration of a rule....then yeah, we can exonerate Meta to some degree if he was "allowed" to lock that thread. Whoopty fuckin do, we have savy minds that should be lawyers letting a scumbag walk.

But the whole fucking point is did he HAVE to? And the answer is no.....98% of other mods probably wouldn't lock the threads that he does, and its because of that very reason this place is dying of attrition. Under HIS (Meta's specifically) subjective opinion, Totse is withering away into nothingness.

As for asking for your proof....I'm not your fuckin secretary, no matter how many times you ask. Here, I'll help you along this much.......

http://www.totse.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=157


.......within a few clicks and just several seconds you'll find plenty of links where all of your "evidence" lies.

You. Are. Welcome. :)

You are absolutely dead wrong on that note, as "Post your Desktop" themed threads have been all over SG for as long as I've been here. And what you are MISTAKENLY describing as a "game thread" is more similar to that. And again you are only hammering my point home that much more.

Sure if someone wants to go waaaaaaaaay round robins barn to come up with some weird and completely subjective intrepration of a rule....then yeah, we can exonerate Meta to some degree if he was "allowed" to lock that thread. Whoopty fuckin do, we have savy minds that should be lawyers letting a scumbag walk.

But the whole fucking point is did he HAVE to? And the answer is no.....98% of other mods probably wouldn't lock the threads that he does, and its because of that very reason this place is dying of attrition. Under HIS (Meta's specifically) subjective opinion, Totse is withering away into nothingness.

As for asking for your proof....I'm not your fuckin secretary, no matter how many times you ask. Here, I'll help you along this much.......

http://www.totse.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=157


.......within a few clicks and just several seconds you'll find plenty of links where all of your "evidence" lies.

You. Are. Welcome. :)

It's not like anyone here expected you to agree with reason or come to terms with logic, I mean...

http://www.synclinalllun.net/dumbshit/oleskool/funzy.gif

Seriously, you sound like an old lady.

he runs SG through his iron will and to his credit, there aren't too many spammers anymore.


Of course there aren't too many spammers, there aren't too many of ANYBODY any more.

It's like a guy that just took a planeload of napalm and launched it on his house, all because he was having a few problems with termites. Amongst the rubble we should pat him on the back because of his "successful" bug killing techniques?



you're right meta is stifling the fun out of SG, but its been like that SINCE he was made mod (who btw was chosen because of his constant availibility, before this SG had a problem of mods never being around), and before SG , bltc was a fachist meta-regime. but other meta i struggle to find another mod who 'stifles' the life of totse, but one thing i have noticed, is on some forums there has not been a mod presence in a long time.

Listen, I certainly don't put all of this at Meta's feet.....and if you follow me around here at all you'll quickly realize most of my issues are with Zok and Acidmelt. The laziest do-nothing administrators one could probably ever find....IRL or on the intrawebz. They keep feeding you the line of..."nobody else is around"....because of that laziness, and there is NO truth to that nonsense in the least.

So yeah, if you REALLY wanna reopen this place for business and get ready for a deluge of traffic and great comunity again.....remove the imbeciles above Meta. They do even less for this place then him.

I wonder what daguru would do if Jeff made him an admin. :o

You are absolutely dead wrong on that note, as "Post your Desktop" themed threads have been all over SG for as long as I've been here. And what you are MISTAKENLY describing as a "game thread" is more similar to that. And again you are only hammering my point home that much more.

Sure if someone wants to go waaaaaaaaay round robins barn to come up with some weird and completely subjective intrepration of a rule....then yeah, we can exonerate Meta to some degree if he was "allowed" to lock that thread. Whoopty fuckin do, we have savy minds that should be lawyers letting a scumbag walk.

But the whole fucking point is did he HAVE to? And the answer is no.....98% of other mods probably wouldn't lock the threads that he does, and its because of that very reason this place is dying of attrition. Under HIS (Meta's specifically) subjective opinion, Totse is withering away into nothingness.

No he did not have to close that thread just as he does not have to close any thread that is not blatant spam

however that thread contributed nothing to the forum and generated zero discussion and if I were moderating SG I probably would have locked it too

As for asking for your proof....I'm not your fuckin secretary, no matter how many times you ask. Here, I'll help you along this much.......

http://www.totse.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=157


.......within a few clicks and just several seconds you'll find plenty of links where all of your "evidence" lies.

You. Are. Welcome. :)If you are unprepared to provide any proof to back up your own claims then you have zero justification for asking others to provide proof to back up their claims

plus I looked back six pages before I got bored and found nothing about Meta except the Metaphysicist Bitch Thread (which has had no posts for a week) and a post on the front page defending Metaphysicist where the first reply is your ally SpectraL claiming that the vast majority of Meta's desicions are justified and correct

Haven't you heard? I'm the sole reason for totse being shitr now...

Your attempt to make people feel sorry for you has failed!

I stopped reading after like 3 posts...

The REAL reason that TOTSE sucks now is because faggots like scovegner run around going 'OMG DON'T FEED THE TROLL!" on troll threads.

HAVE FUN WITH IT YOU FUCKING DOLTS.

I stopped reading after like 3 posts...

The REAL reason that TOTSE sucks now is because faggots like scovegner run around going 'OMG DON'T FEED THE TROLL!" on troll threads.

HAVE FUN WITH IT YOU FUCKING DOLTS.

Totse doesn't suck. I mean, if totse sucks, and you're all posting here, wouldn't that make you all a bunch of suckers?

Totse doesn't suck. I mean, if totse sucks, and you're all posting here, wouldn't that make you all a bunch of suckers?

Totse doesn't suck... but it's not as win as it used to be.

Totse doesn't suck... but it's not as win as it used to be.

Sure it is. Okay, Lokil might not be around anymore to shit on people and UBB is gone forever, but that doesn't mean we don't have fun like we used to. We have fun every day. Dead serious fun!

No he did not have to close that thread just as he does not have to close any thread that is not blatant spam

however that thread contributed nothing to the forum and generated zero discussion and if I were moderating SG I probably would have locked it too

If you are unprepared to provide any proof to back up your own claims then you have zero justification for asking others to provide proof to back up their claims

plus I looked back six pages before I got bored and found nothing about Meta except the Metaphysicist Bitch Thread (which has had no posts for a week) and a post on the front page defending Metaphysicist where the first reply is your ally SpectraL claiming that the vast majority of Meta's desicions are justified and correct


ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.........demanding the same thing over and over again when its been pointed out to you multiple times is kinda silly. This reminds me of another old cliche...."ya can lead a horse to water, but not make him drink".

But hey, you keep telling yourself that no examples of Meta being an overbearing dickhead exist.....and keep pretending that every poster and moderator that bitches about or leaves Totse because of him is all some amazing group hallucination.

Damn Jeff, what the fuck DO you have in that server any how?

And really Bum....WTF is this shit you keep repeating "you have no right to ask people for proof". Where am I asking people for proof of anything? You are making shit up to avoid the real topic of this thread. Wait a sec.....are you implying that me asking folks in what other Totse era that SG was so abandoned by the rest of its Moderators....is THAT what your claim is in regard to me demanding people proof?

Excuse me for asking such a simple question......I didn't realize people were going to get so up in arms over such an inquiry, or put such overly dramatic verbiage behind it. Does my text somehow have some mystical power, that instead of a question it comes off as some Formal Inquisition or perhaps a Tribunal Council of sorts?

Personally, I think DaGuru and I are getting trolled heavy by moderators posing as new arrivals. Notice how all the moderators have basically stopped making any appearance at all, except for Jackketch, Angry Femme, Argon Plasma2000, Slave of the Beast and to some extent Metaphysicist and notvilbe? Haven't seen Zay in a dog's-age, and haven't seen dues or any of the other popular cartoon characters around for the past months. It's similar now to when you're tromping through thick underbrush, and you suddenly notice there are no birds signing, no rustle of small mammals in the tall grass, not even a twig breaks. No doubt, we have a bunch of masqueraders running around in the shadows, attacking our good character at every possible turn. Throw the masks off, you villains! Throw them off, damn you! Reveal yourselves at once!

Daguru, you still haven't answered my question. Just for fun, if you became admin right now, what would you do first? And what would be your course of action for the future?

Notice how all the moderators have basically stopped making any appearance at all, except for Jackketch, Angry Femme, Argon Plasma2000, Slave of the Beast and to some extent Metaphysicist and notvilbe?

Are you talking about in their section specific forums, or in other parts of Totse like SG? If you are talking about other parts, then I have to strongly disagree with you here. Everyone in the above quote was always a very vocal/intellectual/thought provoking poster that contributed more to these forums than most everyone else. But they are NOT posting regularly here in SG like they were years ago.

Not trying to drag them into this, or put any spotlight on them......but really Spectral their appearances in SG nowadays is pretty much nill except for the very occasional contribution here and there.

Personally, I think DaGuru and I are getting trolled heavy by moderators posing as new arrivals.

:mad: EPIC LULZ!!! (http://www.synclinalllun.net/dumbshit/oleskool/i_wanna.swf) :mad:

Daguru, you still haven't answered my question. Just for fun, if you became admin right now, what would you do first? And what would be your course of action for the future?

Don't you EVER get tired of playing "lets make pretend" games or dreaming about fictional fairy tales? Sorry Snoops, I'm not going to help you derail/hijack this thread by appeasing your starstruck curiosity, since you are so desperate to know how I WOULD (not try) to fix this place.

But hey, if you are THAT desperate for the answer....then go make a new thread in regard to such a topic, and perhaps I'll give you some light on that issue. Or perhaps not.

Keep in mind though, if all you are desperately grasping for here is more attention from me.....there is hope! That thread in NiMF is about due to be bumped any day now, and I'm sure I have a post or two or three in me to smack you around for a little while.

Patience little one, patience. Don't be such a needy little bitch, it just adds to your aura of faggotry that much more......

Don't you EVER get tired of playing "lets make pretend" games or dreaming about fictional fairy tales? Sorry Snoops, I'm not going to help you derail/hijack this thread by appeasing your starstruck curiosity, since you are so desperate to know how I WOULD (not try) to fix this place.

But hey, if you are THAT desperate for the answer....then go make a new thread in regard to such a topic, and perhaps I'll give you some light on that issue. Or perhaps not.

Keep in mind though, if all you are desperately grasping for here is more attention from me.....there is hope! That thread in NiMF is about due to be bumped any day now, and I'm sure I have a post or two or three in me to smack you around for a little while.

Patience little one, patience. Don't be such a needy little bitch, it just adds to your aura of faggotry that much more......

You are incapable of having any fun here, you boring little girl. But then again, someone must hold that grudge. (http://www.synclinalllun.net/dumbshit/oleskool/wG3q6cfGyes1rib0NskSH6Lto1_250.gif)

Watching people have flame wars was fun. The flames were funny and the community would take sides.

flame wars are good if both sides are balanced; e.g. duels that are equal and whatnot.

I hate one-sided flamewars.

Back in the day, all the hard ass people were looked up to like Snoopy, for example. When the great tsunoobi of '06 arrived, people saw people like Snoopy were respected/feared/treated like gods and then we had every man and his dog trying to be hard-asses, too... Which is still extremely evident to this date.
Snoopy is a dick and TOTSE as a community should NOT look up to his douchebaggery and whatnot.


The problem is, a lot of it isn't funny. If it isn't 13 year old "humor" it is "Steve Carell" (American) "humor". (btw if you find Steve Carell funny, you're part of the problem)
what is your opinion on /b/?

I wonder, I'm a /b/tard and like *chan.

Snoopy is a dick and TOTSE as a community should NOT look up to his douchebaggery and whatnot.

Still holding a grudge I see. :o

Totse is now shit because the servers are slower than the average American trying to run 100m, and Jeff Hunter no longer cares about this place to spend any money on upgrading them.

Totse is now shit because the servers are slower than the average American trying to run 100m, and Jeff Hunter no longer cares about this place to spend any money on upgrading them.

Wouldn't it be cool of Jeff and totse died, and then every single totse asshole would make an attempt at re-creating the forum, failing miserably. Teh luze would be so unforgivingly epic, it would suck the entire Internet up like a fucking black hole or a drunken Micosoft SQL server.

Still holding a grudge I see. :o

lulz.

Are you talking about in their section specific forums, or in other parts of Totse like SG? If you are talking about other parts, then I have to strongly disagree with you here. Everyone in the above quote was always a very vocal/intellectual/thought provoking poster that contributed more to these forums than most everyone else. But they are NOT posting regularly here in SG like they were years ago.

Not trying to drag them into this, or put any spotlight on them......but really Spectral their appearances in SG nowadays is pretty much nill except for the very occasional contribution here and there.

I don't know. It just seems as if things are different now with the moderator group. Even in their own forums you only see a few making regular contributions. Here in SG you hardly see them at all. I think a lot of these SG-type posters like Pill Popper and Martian Lugan King are actually moderators. Another weird thing is that some moderators and certain regulars are dropping their long-time nicks and going with acolyte accounts, like Lord Valuemart, coroner, Snoopy and vilbe... almost as if they've been asked to do so. For what reason... I haven't a clue as yet.

For what reason... I haven't a clue as yet. Sounds to me it could be a pre-planned massive purge. As in deleting any account that is pre-___________ reg date.<insert whatever month/year in that blank.

Since they've been having so many problems with older or outdated accounts, it might be easier to just pull the plug and say......"anyone who has a reg date before 2007 is about to lose their account". I just pulled that date out of my ass, and have no idea what their cutoff would be....but its the only thing that makes sense to me based on your observations.

Ugh, for fuck's sake, people!
This is like the millionth "TOTSE used to be cool, now it's not: let's bitch and moan in the wrong fucking forum" thread.

Many of the classic members have probably developed lives outside this forum, so I can't blame them for not spending their lives here anymore. For example: Sarc, remember her? She's a mommy now. Tell me, who the fuck wants their mother lurking in the temple?! My point is, most of the temple members probably have better shit to do these days.

As for bitching about the moderators, how many Totseans do you see lately that are truly worthy to wield moderator power (that don't already have it). Honestly, based on the some of the posts in Spurious lately, I wouldn't give any sort of power to most people here.

Regarding shit content, this forum has always contained more than it's fair share of garbage.
I remember a time when EVERY FUCKING LINK would send you to goatse.cx.

Purging new users won't fix anything, if anything, it would probably stifle new content.
What this place needs is less flaming and more threads of epic proportions.
For example, things like Infrared's Night-Ops thread, or the original porn thread.
I'm talking about threads that last for at least 50 pages; quality, not quantity! :)

Anyways, that's my two cents.

...Totally unrelated, but for some reason I'm now wondering how many Totseans are in jail right now? :confused:

Sounds to me it could be a pre-planned massive purge. As in deleting any account that is pre-___________ reg date.<insert whatever month/year in that blank.

Since they've been having so many problems with older or outdated accounts, it might be easier to just pull the plug and say......"anyone who has a reg date before 2007 is about to lose their account". I just pulled that date out of my ass, and have no idea what their cutoff would be....but its the only thing that makes sense to me based on your observations.I've been thinking the exact same thing for a couple of weeks now. They must be planning on pruning older accounts or something, as you say. Interesting how they seem to fully concentrate on everything that doesn't matter, but
wholly ignore critical problems.

I just pulled that date out of my ass, and have no idea what their cutoff would be....but its the only thing that makes sense to me based on your observations.

WOW, you must be a DUMB ASS!!! :eek:

Interesting how they seem to fully concentrate on everything that doesn't matter, but
wholly ignore critical problems.

THIS!!! ^^^^^^

After putting more consideration into all of this, I'm beginning to think you are observing several pieces of actually SEVERAL different puzzles. While it is very likely a whole mess of moderators have multiple screen names, I don't think there was ever some mass edict from those above to EVERY mod. Case in point being the power poster mods you listed before. They aren't exactly ......errrrrrr ummmmm, how do we say it?......the "favorites" of certain admins and super-mods, so its not like they would be thrown into THAT loop. But pissant lacky tag-a-longs like Snoopy, probably would be in on it.

In essence what I'm saying is....while there certainly have been complete posting behaviors changing by a significant number of power posters, it isn't all necessarily under just ONE agenda. Of course people like Zok have to have multiple screen names......because after you've been run out of your very own forum for almost a year, you have to do SOMETHING....right??? (Just how long HAS it been since Zok had the fortitude to post in B & M)

Tellin ya Spectral...weeks/months from now when we have more of these puzzles finally solved and everything is laid out....you'll realize there are a whole myriad of different riddles lying around. Its a profound enigma, if there ever was one. HAHAHAHA. Bad pun.... :(

Why oh why does mean ol' daguru hate me so? :(

Why oh why does mean ol' daguru hate me so? :(

WOW, you must be a DUMB ASS!!! :eek:


Jeezz.. I'm not too sure. Give me a little time to think about it.... :rolleyes:

You fucking moronic OP, what the fuck are you talking about? If anything, it has drastically improved scince 2006. You couldn't even get on SG without the entire thing being spam threads, even one making hot topics with "jhgdsjgsjjhsjhjhssjh". And all threads were bel air, which bizzarely appeared around mid-2006.

You fucking moronic OP, what the fuck are you talking about? If anything, it has drastically improved scince 2006. You couldn't even get on SG without the entire thing being spam threads, even one making hot topics with "jhgdsjgsjjhsjhjhssjh". And all threads were bel air, which bizzarely appeared around mid-2006.

I don't believe he was referring to post-'06.

Its a well acknowledged fact that that '06 marks the steep, steep decline on the totse timeline.

It has improved drastically scince 2006. Nowdays, the n00bs seem to be very contributing, productive members. I remember when they would come on with introduction threads, acting like the LOL teen type, and there would be 20 pages of flaming. Then mot n00bs were morons, but for the first time, almost all of the n00bs seem to be somewhat productive.

Jeezz.. I'm not too sure. Give me a little time to think about it.... :rolleyes:

Daguru hates me because he can't take a joke? :eek:

Jeez, if I knew he gets this butthurt by being called a dumb ass on a trivial Internet forum, I wouldn't have done in the first place. :o

Daguru hates me because he can't take a joke? :eek:

Jeez, if I knew he gets this butthurt by being called a dumb ass on a trivial Internet forum, I wouldn't have done in the first place. :oNo. It's probably because of your no-content, one-sided tripe you always leave him. Me? I'm quite used to it now. Doesn't bother me.

No. It's probably because of your no-content, one-sided tripe you always leave him. Me? I'm quite used to it now. Doesn't bother me.

How dare you say my posts are contentless! :mad:

How dare you say my posts are contentless! :mad:I'm cool with you now, Snooper. I've always had a sore spot for non-content posters, and when you raged into B&M with that patented HB-like might of yours, I guess it was like a slap in the face, and I reacted badly. I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for some of the uncalled-for things I've said about you over the past year or so, and I now consider you a fairly good shit, and I've read a fair number of good, readable and interesting posts from you in the past months. Now, I know you don't care how people judge your posts, but that doesn't necessarily put a stop to me commenting on them. You're a bad apple, son, but you seem to have fallen on the best side of the tree, so I guess I can live wit dat.

Do what thou wilt Totse,

I'm pretty sure totse sucks ass now due to the dumbass social groups, pic profiles, and friend lists.... friend lists? What is this Myspace? Shame on you Hunter. Shame.

http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2183761

Delete your friends! Protest! Do away with grouping forums themselves! Ego? Entertainment? Wtf is this? Just put them back in chronological order! You're dividing everything! Godamnit.

Love is the law,
Regulus

Okay, so yesterday I did say that SG is the same, but really upon 5 minutes of closer inspection it's clear that it's fucking terrible. Totse is shit because it's full of dumb teenagers, and even dumber adults who write massive loads of bullshitty ego-massaging wankery arguments. ZZZZZZ.

Oh I guess &T's natural predisposition to moaning about how everything used to be better (lol irony), and then ruining threads because "thiz iz totse afterall lol" doesn't help much.

One of you nigs message me when bloodydiaperman comes back, or something vaguely interesting happens.

Oh I guess &T's natural predisposition to moaning about how everything used to be better (lol irony), and then ruining threads because "thiz iz totse afterall lol" doesn't help much.

Listen woman. We've had just about enough of your nonsense.

Listen woman. We've had just about enough of your nonsense.

We've had enough of your nonsense as well. Shouldn't you be headbanging to some shitty megadeath crap?

We've had enough of your nonsense as well. Shouldn't you be headbanging to some shitty megadeath crap?Don't tell me you want to go to log in and quite surprisingly find that account banned for spamming too!? Tell me it's not so, Maximo! I seem to remember the last time you challenged my good humor and Metaphysicist dared you to get banned, and you did in fact get a good one the very next day. Correct me if I'm wrong...

Don't tell me you want to go to log in and quite surprisingly find that account banned for spamming too!? Tell me it's not so, Maximo! I seem to remember the last time you challenged my good humor and Metaphysicist dared you to get banned, and you did in fact get a good one the very next day. Correct me if I'm wrong...

I love it when I hit the main nerve and you start blabbering about bans this and bans that in your seething fury.

I'm a pain. (http://www.synclinalllun.net/dumbshit/oleskool/wG3q6cfGyes1rib0NskSH6Lto1_250.gif) :o

i like how theres only 2 pages of SG now (i rmember there being at least 4-5 , and before that ir embmer there being many many many pages . competition is healthy.

All the time people have wasted posting in this thread with loooonng zzzzzzzzzzzz replies could have went towards creating some decent threads/replies elsewhere.

Hypocritical maniacs. Let this thread die and prove what you preach.

i only read the first page
fuck reading 11 pages
i completely agree with the OP

i remember how totse used to be before the forums were "upgraded" to the vbulletin thing

i remember when you could make a thread in SG and 75% of replies weren't from douchebags with worthless information sprinkled with "lol" trying to type like every "lolcatz" picture caption and filling your thread with replies that have no intelligent relevance and are completely unfounded and have no thought put into the arguement that they have as to why your thread is useless.

i liked it better when all you got was the occasional "huff raid".

this is a pretty good representation of what totse is now:
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Totse


also, did Mr. Hai! actually create the entire phenomenon of "HAI TO YOU!" or did someone start that before him? also, if you werent here for or before the "MR. HAI!" period, your probably part of the problem.

i only read the first page
fuck reading 11 pages
i completely agree with the OP

i remember how totse used to be before the forums were "upgraded" to the vbulletin thing

i remember when you could make a thread in SG and 75% of replies weren't from douchebags with worthless information sprinkled with "lol" trying to type like every "lolcatz" picture caption and filling your thread with replies that have no intelligent relevance and are completely unfounded and have no thought put into the arguement that they have as to why your thread is useless.

i liked it better when all you got was the occasional "huff raid".

this is a pretty good representation of what totse is now:
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Totse


also, did Mr. Hai! actually create the entire phenomenon of "HAI TO YOU!" or did someone start that before him? also, if you werent here for or before the "MR. HAI!" period, your probably part of the problem.

There's only 5 pages, newfag. Get with the program.

actually 11 pages would mean that he has changed the setting to 20 pages from 10 pages. If knowing how to fiddle with your settings makes you an old fag, than technically he is just as pro at totse as you are (in this situation)

and yeaaah if the 'trolls' back then were good. although i would hardly call them trolls, (mr hai i mean, haha and i admit i chuckled at the meta daughter rape thing (just because of the sheer audacity of it, not being i enjoy rape, (maybe i do))