I mean come on, the guy is smart. I do not agree with the constant (and I do mean CONSTANT) arguing about semantics but at the end of the day he is an intelligent and informed poster.

Prometheum, don't take this as me agreeing with your methods, but I do appreciate the depth of knowledge you possess and share regularly.

I think at the end of the day we should all learn to not do things that are redundant (GNU argument) or just spiteful (Promefag and the like).

Flame all you want, this is my opinion and I hope that of others in this forum.

Prometheum, I invite you to come hang out in T&T and point people to linux when appropriate if you are unwelcome here.

RDP

I've always liked Prometheum... The only thing that ever bugged me was all of the arguing over semantics, but that doesn't really matter. He's a smart guy and he helps those who can ask for it without being morons.

The whole GNU/Linux argument is NOT semantics. I mean, sure, it is correct, but the real reason I make that argument constantly is because of who it gives credit to.

For starters, GNU code is typically the bulk of any "Linux" distribution. There are a lot more GNU packages than people think; for instance, GNOME is a GNU package. So clearly the GNU Project gets some credit.

But what's going on with that credit? If we give it all to Linus Torvalds, then the new user who looks up Linus Torvalds is first exposed to the mercenary attitude of the open source movement. Anything goes, all licenses are equal, it doesn't matter if they piss on your freedom. Use whatever gets the job done fastest.

If we give half of the immediate credit to the GNU Project, than the open source and free software movement have equal airtime. New users can look up Linus's open-source mercenary ideology, but they'll also be able to look up the GNU Project's free software ideology. Hopefully, they'll get a grip on how in this new GNU/Linux world they're in, their freedom matters.

Our community isn't centered around Windows with a UNIX kernel. The only reason we have a community at all is because of the free software mindset. I don't think it's too much to ask to give free software equal "time" if you will when referring to the system, and I don't think it's too much to ask to give credit where credit is due.

I mean, really, what reason is there to call the system "Linux" other than the fact a bunch of mainstream-media talking heads say that? They also say hacker to mean exclusively "security cracker", and a lot of other bullshit. There's no reason for us to take our cues from them.

All of that being said, the root problem here is that deus is being a troll and encouraging others to do the same. I'm going to continue trying to, you know, contribute to the forum, and hope this goes away without escalating further. Deus banned me a few months back for disagreeing with him publicly and repeatedly, saying that in my absence, E*NIX would blossom into some sort of open source paradise. In fact, Deus himself only posted once during the entire month (thus depriving E*NIX of one of the main "tech support" posters and not providing any sort of replacement) and his predictions failed to come true.

I really hope Deus can get over this and we can agree to disagree, but if he can't, who the fuck needs him? coroner (Biopsy/autopsy) is back, and he capably modded this forum alone for a good long time. We don't need a mod that just pisses on quality posters and resorts to personal attacks and abuse of mod powers to attempt to win arguments.

B&M plz.

-deus-

The guy is sort of an arrogant prick. Refuses to accept any type of criticism on linux and "refutes" linux weaknesses by blaming them on the end user. Bashes any non open-source software simply because it's not open source or doesn't fall under the GNU license.

Knowledgeable and intelligent perhaps, the GNU project could use a far better PR-man than him. The guy needs to develop a serious sense of tact and needs to stop sounding like a religious zealot. Then perhaps people might actually listen to what he has to say instead of calling him a fat linux nerd of a virgin.

Although I am not familiar with Prometheum's posts during the last year I can say with much confidence that the level of hate cannot be approaching that which he received during the Penguicon fiasco

however bygones are now bygones

Bashes any non open-source software simply because it's not open source

He'll have you know that's not "open source", it's "free software" - and that's free as in rape, not beer. "Open source" is actually evil, too.

-deus-

The guy is sort of an arrogant prick. Refuses to accept any type of criticism on linux and "refutes" linux weaknesses by blaming them on the end user. Bashes any non open-source software simply because it's not open source or doesn't fall under the GNU license.

Knowledgeable and intelligent perhaps, the GNU project could use a far better PR-man than him. The guy needs to develop a serious sense of tact and needs to stop sounding like a religious zealot. Then perhaps people might actually listen to what he has to say instead of calling him a fat linux nerd of a virgin.

I don't know where you're getting the material to base this off of. In the DRM thread (which to my knowledge is my only interaction with you), I refuted every one of your points in a logical way, and the argument didn't have anything to do with GNU/Linux until you brought it up.

You are simply an idiot and a troll. You are spreading lies. I call on you to cite a single source for your claims.

Although I am not familiar with Prometheum's posts during the last year I can say with much confidence that the level of hate cannot be approaching that which he received during the Penguicon fiasco

however bygones are now bygones

Make sure to discriminate between Prometheus and Prometheum. Though that was a very fun fiasco for all involved.

I actually don't have any issues with him and i think that's all. But he should consider giving Windows a chance ;).
I love Linux but at the end of the day Windows gets my job done and Linux well, lets say my requirements aren't that special but still the knowledge he possess when it comes to Linux systems in general is commendable. But it would be nice if he can lower his guard and try to relax a bit.

Make sure to discriminate between Prometheus and Prometheum. Though that was a very fun fiasco for all involved.

Ah yes I remember the difficulties, confusions and accusations of multiple accounts

as I recall you were the convention attendee and Prometheus was the angry and at times downright psychotic would-be school shooter?

I don't know where you're getting the material to base this off of. In the DRM thread (which to my knowledge is my only interaction with you), I refuted every one of your points in a logical way, and the argument didn't have anything to do with GNU/Linux until you brought it up.

You are simply an idiot and a troll. You are spreading lies. I call on you to cite a single source for your claims.

The only thing I said in that thread is that I prefer to use OSX and Windows instead of linux for home use. How the fuck can you refute a personal preference you stupid ass? Nor did you refute anything about DRM either. I just stated my opinion and you stated yours. Neither are "facts". You just don't agree with my opinion, ideologically, so you call me a troll and somehow you have magically won an Internet argument you started yourself.

How superbly wonderful of you. You have got to be the biggest no life loser on the Internet. Get a grip you homo, and realize that there is more to life than GNU faggotry.

Do you bring up the issues of free software on dates as well? :o

Ah yes I remember the difficulties, confusions and accusations of multiple accounts

as I recall you were the convention attendee and Prometheus was the angry and at times downright psychotic would-be school shooter?

No, you have it reversed. I would never go to an anime convention.

The only thing I said in that thread is that I prefer to use OSX and Windows instead of linux for home use. How the fuck can you refute a personal preference you stupid ass? Nor did you refute anything about DRM either. I just stated my opinion and you stated yours. Neither are "facts". You just don't agree with my opinion, ideologically, so you call me a troll and somehow you have magically won an Internet argument you started yourself.

How superbly wonderful of you. You have got to be the biggest no life loser on the Internet. Get a grip you homo, and realize that there is more to life than GNU faggotry.

Do you bring up the issues of free software on dates as well? :o

You made assertions (baseless ones, at that). I countered them. That is what an argument is. You then repeated your assertions and I quickly stopped arguing, because you are a troll. At this point, your only attempts at argument are personal attacks.

EDIT: I should also include that none of the assertions you made were about your operating system preference, but rather about copyright infringement equating to theft and of the necessity of DRM. After I refuted those, you brought up MY operating system preference in an attempt to attack me personally.

Thread Starter says "I have a question about Vista"

Prometheum says "Go get GNU/Linux, No Viruses!!!!!!"

That's why

Thread Starter says "I have a question about Vista"

Prometheum says "Go get GNU/Linux, No Viruses!!!!!!"

That's why

I don't think that's ever happened. People will ask questions like "What antivirus is best for me" or "I got this nasty virus, please help me" in NS&H, though, and I will tell them that GNU/Linux has no viruses.

Prometheum, also be aware that there is a lot of software out there where there simply isn't an open source alternative (go ahead, ask me, I use a lot of them) and they will only work under Windows.

Prometheum, also be aware that there is a lot of software out there where there simply isn't an open source alternative (go ahead, ask me, I use a lot of them) and they will only work under Windows.

I'm fully aware of that. There's always been software like that. However, a lot of it has been freed, or alternatives implemented, because of the tireless efforts of hackers and activists. CLisp, the GNU Objective-C Compiler, the GIMP, and Gnash are good examples.

If we discredit freedom, then there isn't a reason to work towards a free solution. That's another reason why it's important to emphasize freedom whenever possible, and one of the ways to do that is by saying GNU/Linux.

I'm fully aware of that. There's always been software like that. However, a lot of it has been freed, or alternatives implemented, because of the tireless efforts of hackers and activists. CLisp, the GNU Objective-C Compiler, the GIMP, and Gnash are good examples.

If we discredit freedom, then there isn't a reason to work towards a free solution. That's another reason why it's important to emphasize freedom whenever possible, and one of the ways to do that is by saying GNU/Linux.
There is a place for closed source software one has to pay for in my opinion.

I use quite a bit of very specialised speaker design and frequency analysis software, most of which comes from small software houses. These companies often only make that one program, and would certainly not be able to survive on donations alone. If they didn't charge for their work, this software would simply not be developed due to the cost of the equipment needed and the sheer amount of time needed, mostly not put in to coding itself.

There is a place for closed source software one has to pay for in my opinion.

I use quite a bit of very specialised speaker design and frequency analysis software, most of which comes from small software houses. These companies often only make that one program, and would certainly not be able to survive on donations alone. If they didn't charge for their work, this software would simply not be developed due to the cost of the equipment needed and the sheer amount of time needed, mostly not put in to coding itself.

Well, why are they developing that software? Is it for specific hardware? If it is, I would recommend that they just bundle the software with the hardware. They're selling it because it works with the hardware, so even if it's free, they can still make money.

Also, there's no reason not to sell free software. "Free" in "Free Software" refers to freedom, not price, and in fact, if you cannot commercially (re)distribute software, it isn't free. MySQL is a good example of a free software project that makes a lot of money by selling the software.

and I will tell them that GNU/Linux has no viruses.

Which is a lie.

You made assertions (baseless ones, at that). I countered them. That is what an argument is. You then repeated your assertions and I quickly stopped arguing, because you are a troll. At this point, your only attempts at argument are personal attacks.

EDIT: I should also include that none of the assertions you made were about your operating system preference, but rather about copyright infringement equating to theft and of the necessity of DRM. After I refuted those, you brought up MY operating system preference in an attempt to attack me personally.

You didn't refute anything you moron. I gave my opinions about DRM, and you gave yours. You're just so much of an narcissistic faggot that you believe your opinions to be fact. That's your problem.

You were attacking me personally for defending, or at least trying to show the logic behind DRM. As for the whole "downloading and copying isn't theft" argument you try to bring forward, all I can say is: you're a fucking idiot. How can you protect software from theft? Something that's invisible and untouchable. Copyright is the only way to protect software from being stolen, or at least to legally prosecute the thief. You argue that illegally downloading non-free software isn't stealing. Perhaps in your backwards little world, but out here in the real world, you can go to jail for that shit.

And you refute my "assertions". Get the fuck out you little bitch.

He's a douche who thinks Ubuntu is better than Fedora.

Do you need any more of a reason to hate him?

Ubuntu is worse than Windows ME.

Ubuntu is worse than Windows ME.

I say, steady on old chap! Yes Ubuntu is bad but as bad as Win/Me? Ok the hype was about the same but I know which one I'd rather use...if I had to.

He's a douche who thinks Ubuntu is better than Fedora.

On this I have to agree with Prometheum.

I will now classify you as a complete faggot however. You get to sit in the box with the other homosexual fags who constantly rip on Ubuntu because of its success. Where distros such as Mandrake and Red Hat (lulz Fedora) failed in the past, Ubuntu has succeeded.

With their "Linux for Human Beings" approach, they managed to release an OS that appealed to many new linux users who weren't "converted" by FSF butt-knights (such as Prometheum).

Even though in my opinion Ubuntu still isn't a 100% user friendly dekstop OS (such as Windows or OSX), it has come closer than any other linux distribution has. What they need to focus on now is further and fully abstract the GUI from the linux core. And try to get as many developers to make ubuntu specific binaries, to include in their software repositories.

Ubuntu is now the stepping stone for everyone interested to learn about linux, and further down the road unix. Everyone had to start somewhere. These jelly boys who know a total of 12 linux commands bitching about Ubuntu is just retarded.

But Fedora is so much easier to use than Ubuntu, and it can also be way more advanced.

Fedora isn't patronising like Ubuntu.

You're just a douche who likes to sit in Prometheums ass. The only reason Prometheum is hated on is cos of his insane jealousy of deus being a mod and he isn't. Face it, by backing him your chances of being a mod are not increased.

But Fedora is so much easier to use than Ubuntu, and it can also be way more advanced.

Fedora isn't patronising like Ubuntu.

You're just a douche who likes to sit in Prometheums ass. The only reason Prometheum is hated on is cos of his insane jealousy of deus being a mod and he isn't. Face it, by backing him your chances of being a mod are not increased.

I don't have a problem with Fedora, or any distro for that matter. I'm juts saying that you little freaks need to shut the fuck up about Ubuntu's success.

As for Prometheum, he's an FSF (http://www.fsf.org/) butt-knight. I ain't got nothing to do with him. Except maybe work on his nerves alongside of Trueborn, deus and rooster. Keep rocking you guys!

Which is a lie.

No, it isn't, and you know it. There has never been a wild GNU/Linux virus, and especially on modern distributions like Ubuntu and Fedora (which both have W^X/NX-bit and MACs set up by default), there will never be a wild GNU/Linux virus.

I have challenged people who have made this baseless assertion to provide backing to their claims. The only thing that anyone has ever been able to find is a lab virus from the 90s. Please, prove me wrong, or shut the fuck up.

You still want deus's mod position though, which you will never get.

You didn't refute anything you moron. I gave my opinions about DRM, and you gave yours. You're just so much of an narcissistic faggot that you believe your opinions to be fact. That's your problem.

You were attacking me personally for defending, or at least trying to show the logic behind DRM. As for the whole "downloading and copying isn't theft" argument you try to bring forward, all I can say is: you're a fucking idiot. How can you protect software from theft? Something that's invisible and untouchable. Copyright is the only way to protect software from being stolen, or at least to legally prosecute the thief. You argue that illegally downloading non-free software isn't stealing. Perhaps in your backwards little world, but out here in the real world, you can go to jail for that shit.

And you refute my "assertions". Get the fuck out you little bitch.

The bold text there, in your post? That is an assertion. It is true, in this case, because I did argue that. You argued the opposite assertion, and you were wrong. I showed you were wrong in both legal and ethical senses of the concept "theft".

But Fedora is so much easier to use than Ubuntu, and it can also be way more advanced.

Fedora isn't patronising like Ubuntu.

You're just a douche who likes to sit in Prometheums ass. The only reason Prometheum is hated on is cos of his insane jealousy of deus being a mod and he isn't. Face it, by backing him your chances of being a mod are not increased.

I have no "jealousy" of anyone being a mod. I don't want to be a mod. I have enough shit to do in my life already. I've never seen Dandy Crab try to be a mod either (in the two threads worth of contact with him I have had), and thus I think that maybe your concept is that the goal of all users is to be a mod. That's wrong.

Deus is not a good mod in E*NIX, and thus should be removed. The forum does not need him anymore. We are back with our old mod, who proved himself quite capable of modding it some years ago, did a great job up to the point where he left, and is now doing a great job again. We do not need deus trolling in E*NIX.

I have no "jealousy" of anyone being a mod. I don't want to be a mod.

Admittance is the first step to recovery. It'll be better for everyone if you got over your petty jealousy issue and let Deus mod E*nix as he see's fit, without your constant shite trying to discredit him and take his position.

No, it isn't, and you know it. There has never been a wild GNU/Linux virus, and especially on modern distributions like Ubuntu and Fedora (which both have W^X/NX-bit and MACs set up by default), there will never be a wild GNU/Linux virus.

I have challenged people who have made this baseless assertion to provide backing to their claims. The only thing that anyone has ever been able to find is a lab virus from the 90s. Please, prove me wrong, or shut the fuck up.

Go to google, search for linux+worm, linux+virus, linux+malware, etc. Plenty of results there. If you choose to keep your eyes closed and your ears shut, that's your problem. I mean, I have in 15 years of use never had a windows virus and have also never used an anti-virus. By your logic, I could come to the conclusion that there are no viruses for Windows.

Great proof behind your assertion...

The bold text there, in your post? That is an assertion. It is true, in this case, because I did argue that. You argued the opposite assertion, and you were wrong. I showed you were wrong in both legal and ethical senses of the concept "theft".

No you didn't show anything. You just gave your opinion and claimed that your opinion proves mine wrong, which is retarded. If you wrote a program, and I took it and sold it for millions, would you be okay with that? By your logic, this is okay. Stealing people's software isn't illegal, nor unethical. Is that what you're saying? :rolleyes:


I have no "jealousy" of anyone being a mod. I don't want to be a mod. I have enough shit to do in my life already. I've never seen Dandy Crab try to be a mod either (in the two threads worth of contact with him I have had), and thus I think that maybe your concept is that the goal of all users is to be a mod. That's wrong.

Deus is not a good mod in E*NIX, and thus should be removed. The forum does not need him anymore. We are back with our old mod, who proved himself quite capable of modding it some years ago, did a great job up to the point where he left, and is now doing a great job again. We do not need deus trolling in E*NIX.

I was a mod on totse for years. It's clearly obvious that you're achin' for the job. People who say "I don't want to be a moderator" want it most of all. Go sell your FSF crap elsewhere, you pinko faggot.

Go sell your FSF crap elsewhere, you pinko faggot.

I think you just became my new favourite poster for today.

-deus-

Admittance is the first step to recovery. It'll be better for everyone if you got over your petty jealousy issue and let Deus mod E*nix as he see's fit, without your constant shite trying to discredit him and take his position.

The thing is, deus doesn't mod E*NIX. He doesn't even post in it, except to troll me. Look through his posts; he had an argument with me about two months ago, stopped posting in it for a month or so, then had another argument with me. Since I've been saying how he doesn't help the forum, he's started posting in one other thread. That's the sum total of his contribution to E*NIX. Thank fucking christ biopsy is back; E*NIX has had spam threads sitting in it for weeks without deus even noticing in the past.

Go to google, search for linux+worm, linux+virus, linux+malware, etc. Plenty of results there. If you choose to keep your eyes closed and your ears shut, that's your problem. I mean, I have in 15 years of use never had a windows virus and have also never used an anti-virus. By your logic, I could come to the conclusion that there are no viruses for Windows.
There have been some worms. Worms are not viruses. It's still way harder for worms to spread on GNU/Linux, in any event.

Regardless of how many google results there are, there are no active viruses for GNU/Linux in the wild. No GNU/Linux system now (especially no Ubuntu system) will ever get a virus.



No you didn't show anything. You just gave your opinion and claimed that your opinion proves mine wrong, which is retarded. If you wrote a program, and I took it and sold it for millions, would you be okay with that? By your logic, this is okay. Stealing people's software isn't illegal, nor unethical. Is that what you're saying? :rolleyes:

I provided logical backing and showed legal precedent. If you had read any of my posts you would know that. Copyright infringement is not theft.

I was a mod on totse for years. It's clearly obvious that you're achin' for the job. People who say "I don't want to be a moderator" want it most of all. Go sell your FSF crap elsewhere, you pinko faggot.

Why would I want to be a moderator? Totse mods have to deal with tons of crap and end up like you.

I was a mod on totse for years. It's clearly obvious that you're achin' for the job.

Projecting.

Just because you loved being a mod (and what's more, are currently actively seeking to be re-modded), you assume everybody else wants the same thing as you. It is not true.


People who say "I don't want to be a moderator" want it most of all.

That doesn't make a lick of sense. So if I say, "I don't want to die of starvation", that means I want to die of starvation most of all? Seriously, why do you insist on spewing shit?

Some people mean what they say, a concept that is apparently quite alien to you, for whatever reason.

There have been some worms. Worms are not viruses. It's still way harder for worms to spread on GNU/Linux, in any event.

Regardless of how many google results there are, there are no active viruses for GNU/Linux in the wild. No GNU/Linux system now (especially no Ubuntu system) will ever get a virus.

So by that same logic I stand by the fact that there are no active viruses for Windows on the wild. The previous sentence is 100% correct if one follows your way of thinking.





I provided logical backing and showed legal precedent. If you had read any of my posts you would know that. Copyright infringement is not theft.

Logical, huh? Your logic has failed you before. You still haven't answered my question about me using your code to make tons of money. I take it you are okay with that? I mean, that is what you FSF retards believe in. Making money with someone else's code. It is clearly stated on your website. That you are free to do with someone else's code whatever you want, even selling it. That's great logic, you communist bastard!



Why would I want to be a moderator? Totse mods have to deal with tons of crap and end up like you.

Someone is in denial... :o

Projecting.

Just because you loved being a mod (and what's more, are currently actively seeking to be re-modded), you assume everybody else wants the same thing as you. It is not true.



That doesn't make a lick of sense. So if I say, "I don't want to die of starvation", that means I want to die of starvation most of all? Seriously, why do you insist on spewing shit?

Some people mean what they say, a concept that is apparently quite alien to you, for whatever reason.

You silly little shitty troll. You do understand that by now, no user takes anything seriously that which follows after "WritingANovel". Keep projecting your trolling and see what happens. I predict another; Meta is gay thread.

The thing is, deus doesn't mod E*NIX. He doesn't even post in it, except to troll me. Look through his posts; he had an argument with me about two months ago, stopped posting in it for a month or so, then had another argument with me. Since I've been saying how he doesn't help the forum, he's started posting in one other thread. That's the sum total of his contribution to E*NIX. Thank fucking christ biopsy is back; E*NIX has had spam threads sitting in it for weeks without deus even noticing in the past.

I see words on a screen but all I read is "blah blah blah blah blah".

Here's my Prometheum impression:

WTF is Linux!??!?! It's GNU/Linux

You silly little shitty troll. You do understand that by now, no user takes anything seriously that which follows after "WritingANovel". Keep projecting your trolling and see what happens. I predict another; Meta is gay thread.

Attacking someone's character (in this case, accusing me of being a troll) instead of his/her argument is what we call an ad hominem argument (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem), which is a god-send for you because you apparently cannot handle debating with me in a mature, intellectually honest manner.

Attacking someone's character (in this case, accusing me of being a troll) instead of his/her argument is what we call an ad hominem argument (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem), which is a god-send for you because you apparently cannot handle debating with me in a mature, intellectually honest manner.

You're incapable of debating in a mature, intellectually honest manner. Anyone who does is a moron and makes of himself trollfood. What am I supposed to debate anyway? This quote?

Projecting.

Just because you loved being a mod (and what's more, are currently actively seeking to be re-modded), you assume everybody else wants the same thing as you. It is not true.


What you said there is on the same level of "your mom" or "you smell".

Perhaps you should have thought about being taken seriously before you went on a trolling rampage through the entire forum.

It's not like Meta banned you that many times because you were engaging in mature and intellectually honest discussions, now is it?!

tl/dr: you're a shithead and I don't know you. Fuck off.

Regardless of how many google results there are, there are no active viruses for GNU/Linux in the wild. No GNU/Linux system now (especially no Ubuntu system) will ever get a virus.

You cannot possibly make this assertion

nobody can predict something like that with one hundred percent accuracy

I provided logical backing and showed legal precedent. If you had read any of my posts you would know that. Copyright infringement is not theftCopyright infringement is not theft but copyright infringement is a separate crime and only somebody who had not created intellectual property of their own would claim that it is not wrong to deprive somebody of the right to profit from their own hard work

only an idiot claims that copyright infringement is theft but only an idiot claims that copyright infringement is not an infringement upon an individual's rights

only an idiot claims that copyright infringement is theft but only an idiot claims that copyright infringement is not an infringement upon an individual's rights

Copyright infringement in terms of software or other media can be theft if the end user obtained the piece of software through unlawful channels, e.g. downloading, copying cd/dvd, actual stealing form the store, etc.

For instance, if I download AutoCAD and use it for whatever means, wether it is educational or to make money with, I have stolen that software. One case might be more ethical than the other, and more acceptable, but it is still a crime.

Taking parts of someone's music, or plagiarizing someone's writings, is also theft. One could argue the actual meaning of the word theft. I feel like we're doing that more than anything here.

Example in terms of music:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Timbaland_plagiarism_controversy

That fat nigger downloaded an intro from Assembly 2000 and sampled pretty much the entire thing, which he used in one of his songs. If I was to follow FSF's logic, that would be completely okay. Stealing other people's work is fine... :o

Who??

Who??

You must not post in the Technology sub forums :o

So by that same logic I stand by the fact that there are no active viruses for Windows on the wild. The previous sentence is 100% correct if one follows your way of thinking.


The difference is, my statement is true. Yours is not. (http://www.viruslist.com/en/viruses/alerts)

Logical, huh? Your logic has failed you before. You still haven't answered my question about me using your code to make tons of money. I take it you are okay with that? I mean, that is what you FSF retards believe in. Making money with someone else's code. It is clearly stated on your website. That you are free to do with someone else's code whatever you want, even selling it. That's great logic, you communist bastard!

Yes, you could commercially redistribute my code. That doesn't infringe on any copyright (as you have the right to do that per the GPL), nor is it theft. Nor is it even communist. It would be communist if there was a central owner of all code. None of the (real) capitalists I know even support the current copyright system, and want to be free to commercially redistribute anything.

I note that you still have no argument against my arguments, except "Your logic has failed you before". Which in itself is an empty assertion.

The difference is, my statement is true. Yours is not. (http://www.viruslist.com/en/viruses/alerts)

Oh noez, now we're posting annoying linkz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_computer_viruses).

Yes, you could commercially redistribute my code. That doesn't infringe on any copyright (as you have the right to do that per the GPL), nor is it theft. Nor is it even communist. It would be communist if there was a central owner of all code. None of the (real) capitalists I know even support the current copyright system, and want to be free to commercially redistribute anything.

I note that you still have no argument against my arguments, except "Your logic has failed you before". Which in itself is an empty assertion.

So, you wouldn't mind at all me getting rich off of your works? That makes you stupid, but whatever. I sure would mind you getting rich off of my work. That's why there are laws to prevent people like you from stealing my work. Copyright and patent laws. Have fun with them. They're here to stay.

Oh noez, now we're posting annoying linkz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_computer_viruses).

There has not yet been a single widespread Linux malware threat of the type that Microsoft Windows software currently faces; this is commonly attributed to the malware's lack of root access and fast updates to most Linux vulnerabilities.

It can also be attributed to Linux's implementation of multiple MAC controls, memory protection, and other security frameworks.

So, you wouldn't mind at all me getting rich off of your works? That makes you stupid, but whatever. I sure would mind you getting rich off of my work. That's why there are laws to prevent people like you from stealing my work. Copyright and patent laws. Have fun with them. They're here to stay.

Yes, copyright laws protect things from copyright infringement. COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT IS NOT THEFT. THIS WAS ESTABLISHED IN THIS CASE OF THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT. (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Dowling_v._United_States_(1985))

You are and have been consistently completely wrong.

You cannot possibly make this assertion

nobody can predict something like that with one hundred percent accuracy

No, but I'd say I have at least 95%. The current "big two" GNU/Linux distributions are Fedora and Ubuntu, and both of them implement memory randomization (and have for years, something that just happened (very weakly) in Windows as of Vista), Mandatory Access Control, and NX-bit (on systems that have it). That makes it about impossible for a virus to run, let alone spread.

Copyright infringement is not theft but copyright infringement is a separate crime and only somebody who had not created intellectual property of their own would claim that it is not wrong to deprive somebody of the right to profit from their own hard work

only an idiot claims that copyright infringement is theft but only an idiot claims that copyright infringement is not an infringement upon an individual's rights

You have it right, legally. Copyright infringement is not theft.

In the meantime, I've created a lot of copyrighted work (intellectual property is a propaganda buzzword, and I won't use it), but I have no need to profit by selling that. I can get paid to produce that work, because it has to come into existence somehow.

As to individual rights, I don't think you'd get a lot of agreement outside of the MAFIAA. Even the framers of the US Constitution, as libertarian as some of them were, would disagree with you. They saw copyright as a necessary expenditure of the people's freedom to help foster the growth of the number of available works. Remember, at that time, copyright was essentially limited to books on printing presses, and as such, was an industrial regulation, not something that applied to private citizens. It was essentially analogous to signing away your right to burn CD's in the early 80's when the only way to burn CD's was to stamp them on industrial presses. No big deal, right? It isn't like you'd be able to anyway, so you're signing away your right to fly to the moon for all you care.

Do you see how that would change, really fast, when CD burners become popular?

Copyright is probably necessary. I use copyright law all the time, every time I paste the GPL header on top of my source files. I'm not anti-copyright. But it's important that we recognize copyright law for what it really is, not just what the people who profit off of copyrights want us to think it is.

If Linux doesn't get virusses, why are there anti-virusses made specifically for the linux platform?

If Linux doesn't get virusses, why are there anti-virusses made specifically for the linux platform?

Ones like ClamAV scan for Windows viruses.

They typically run on Linux boxes providing services to Windows networks, eg. mailservers.

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Ones like ClamAV scan for Windows viruses.

They typically run on Linux boxes providing services to Windows networks, eg. mailservers.

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But Prometheum doesn't know that.

So, you wouldn't mind at all me getting rich off of your works? That makes you stupid, but whatever.

Not necessarily. He could be a very generous person, who wants to share his work/efforts with the rest of humanity, all at no charge to them. Something you evidently do not comprehend.



Copyright infringement is not theft but copyright infringement is a separate crime and only somebody who had not
created intellectual property of their own would claim that it is not wrong to deprive somebody of the right to
profit from their own hard work

You need to prove that it's entire their own work though. Very often it's not. For example, writing
codes/programming. Even though the actual codes might have been written by say, you, however the thing is
countless other people before had put in their efforts in the development of computer/software development.
This is a fact. You are essentially building upon the existing work of someone else (albeit with your own
honest labour)

And this is why I am personally kind of against copyrights and patents and all that stuff. People like Bill Gates
didn't come up with their products entirely all by themselves. They benefited from a whole slew of long-deceased geniuses' intellectual achievements, the fruits of which I believe as a human I am entitled to, at least partially.


only an idiot claims that copyright infringement is theft but only an idiot claims that copyright infringement
is not an infringement upon an individual's rights

You could be right, however you need to specify exactly what rights are being infringed upon. The right to not
have one's work stolen from one? Or what.

Also please stop with this "only an idiot does this, only an idiot does that.." crap. Pre-emptive condemnation
does not lend weight to your argument.


What am I supposed to debate anyway? This quote?

Well for starters, you could apologize to me for having called me troll. Then you acnowledge that you evaded my
post by resorting to an ad hominem attack. Then you acknolwedge that you were in fact bullshitting when you said: "People who say I don't want to be a moderator want it most of all", because you should believe people to mean what they say, also that it's rude to doubt people. Lastly, apologize to Prometheum when you insinuated that he wanted to be a mod (as in, "I was a mod on totse for years. It's clearly obvious that you're achin' for the job),


What you said there is on the same level of "your mom" or "you smell".

False.

What you suggested "you smell"/"your mom" were childish name-callings, whereas what I typed was factual. It is,
as a matter of fact, NOT true that everybody wants to be a mod.

Tell me, do you or do you not agree that it is a FACT that not everybody wants to be a mod?


Perhaps you should have thought about being taken seriously before you went on a trolling rampage through
the entire forum.

I will do whatever I want on the forums. Furthermore, people (and this includes you) should consider my posts
based on their individual merits, not how I, the messenger, conduct myself as a poster.


It's not like Meta banned you that many times because you were engaging in mature and intellectually honest
discussions, now is it?!

A personal attack, and a poor one at that.

1. Just because I used to be banned it doesn't mean my posts have no merit. Again, you are confusing the worth
of an argument with the charactor of the person espousing it (namely, the messenger). I don't want to be rude, or
worse yet committing the same crime that I am accusing others of doing, but I truly believe the reason you think
this way is because you are a non-Aryan/a Slav. I would recommend that you sterilise yourself for good of
humanity.
2. Just because I was banned multiple times it does not necessarily say anything about my character. The reason
being those in positions of power can be wrong. In fact if you look through history you will find that a lot of
people got into trouble with the law/the Church/the ruling class, or just people with power in general.
It doesn't mean these people were "bad" in any way, if anything, they tended to be heros because they fought
against the power structure.

But Prometheum doesn't know that.

I don't?

It can also be attributed to Linux's implementation of multiple MAC controls, memory protection, and other security frameworks.

And from that same link:

One of the vulnerabilities of Linux is that many users think it is not vulnerable to viruses. Tom Ferris, a researcher with Mission Viejo, California-based Security Protocols, said in 2006, "In people's minds, if it's non-Windows, it's secure, and that's not the case. They think nobody writes malware for Linux or Mac OS X. But that's not necessarily true ..."[4]

You claimed there are no viruses for linux, and that it is impossible to get one. I said that's a lie. I was right, you were wrong. Deal with it and move on now.

Yes, copyright laws protect things from copyright infringement. COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT IS NOT THEFT. THIS WAS ESTABLISHED IN THIS CASE OF THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT. (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Dowling_v._United_States_(1985))

You are and have been consistently completely wrong.

No, I am not wrong, you are. You can call it whatever you want. One could argue that if no goods are lost, there is no theft. Sounds logical? Perhaps if you're explaining it to a 5 year old. Theft isn't always paired with loss of goods. Go to visit a prostitute and don't pay. It might not be theft as she didn't lose anything, but you're sure gonna lose some teeth.

If a piece of software is sold for a certain amount of money, and you acquire a copy (any copy) of that software without paying the amount asked, it is stolen.

Perhaps you're too retarded to understand this in terms of software, as FSF has taken a steamy shit on your brain. Let's say you and your girlfriend have made a private movie that's a bit on the spicy side. Some asshole however manages to download it off of your computer and decides to distribute it. This wouldn't bother you at all? You kinky little devil, you!

You have made something, so you decide what is to be done with it. Same goes for companies who write software and want to sell it. Illegal downloading might not hurt Microsoft, but it has scuffled small game companies before. If they're not losing anything when a game of theirs is illegally downloaded instead of bought, then how come they're going bankrupt? Seriously, this argument is stupid. You're stupid. Your entire ideology is retarded.

No, but I'd say I have at least 95%. The current "big two" GNU/Linux distributions are Fedora and Ubuntu, and both of them implement memory randomization (and have for years, something that just happened (very weakly) in Windows as of Vista), Mandatory Access Control, and NX-bit (on systems that have it). That makes it about impossible for a virus to run, let alone spread.

Considering the fact that linux is less than 1% of the market, that 5% sure looks very menacing. :D

*poor attempt at trolling*

Give up before you hurt yourself.

FreeBSD > Prometheum

FreeBSD > Prometheum

BSD > linux

lol, you should join #slashnet on the slashnet irc network and start an argument about BSD vs linux with those guys. It's gonna be epic lulz, if you're into that sort of nerdy crap.

Prom, neither your body's hardware nor software were released under the GPL license.

You are therefore evil.

Dandy Crab although most people would recognise that piracy is a form of theft in lay terms the actual word 'theft' regards appropriation of services or property without permission or without payment

in your prostitute example it would be theft of service as the prostitute's time and services have been taken without compensation; the analogy as applies to piracy would be making a clone of the prostitute and having sex with it, which does not deprive the prostitute of their time or services directly but is still a method of circumventing payment and as such hurts the prostitute's business (as it were) if it becomes widespread

the analogy as applies to piracy would be making a clone of the prostitute and having sex with it, which does not deprive the prostitute of their time or services directly but is still a method of circumventing payment and as such hurts the prostitute's business (as it were) if it becomes widespread

That's even worse! You're for one, copying a miserable woman's life, thus creating a human being to live a life of misery. Then you will rape her without paying, further increasing her crappy life. AND, you're ruining the original copy's business while you're engaging in sick sexual games with her alternate self.

The laws on this clearly aren't adjusted simply because software is something that can't have any physical value, as it can be endlessly copied.

I wonder if I would get a different jail time for downloading a blu-ray movie or buying that same movie with false cc information. Probably I'd get more fucked for piracy, even though I'm breaking more laws with the cc fraud.

Funny.

Well the prostitute analogy is clearly imperfect any way you spin it but I made it as applicable as possible to the situation of piracy

and since nobody has ever been successfully prosecuted for online piracy of a single film and since small-scale identity theft crimes are rarely or never followed up due to the cost of an investigation it is safe to say that no fucking will be occurring in either case, unlike in the flawed prostitution analogy

Well the prostitute analogy is clearly imperfect any way you spin it but I made it as applicable as possible to the situation of piracy

and since nobody has ever been successfully prosecuted for online piracy of a single film and since small-scale identity theft crimes are rarely or never followed up due to the cost of an investigation it is safe to say that no fucking will be occurring in either case, unlike in the flawed prostitution analogy

It was a hypothetical situation. Make it a million movies if you will.

It was a hypothetical situation. Make it a million movies if you will.

Make it ten million dollars worth of credit card fraud in scale with the increase and I think you are going to jail for life

I agree with your point but not with your analogy

Make it ten million dollars worth of credit card fraud in scale with the increase and I think you are going to jail for life

I agree with your point but not with your analogy

lol you said anal!

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Ayyyooooooooooooooo!!

blah blah blah

Okay, posting a bold underlined highlighted link to the supreme court is as far as I'll go.


You do not argue.
You merely restate your assertions.
You do so without refuting any of mine in the process.


You're an idiot.

Okay, posting a bold underlined highlighted link to the supreme court is as far as I'll go.


You do not argue.
You merely restate your assertions.
You do so without refuting any of mine in the process.


You're an idiot.

Are you still here you fucking nazi. Thanks for reminding me why I used to beat the shit out of ideologists at uni.

Okay, posting a bold underlined highlighted link to the supreme court is as far as I'll go.


You do not argue.
You merely restate your assertions.
You do so without refuting any of mine in the process.


You're an idiot.

You're a nigger.

Okay, posting a bold underlined highlighted link to the supreme court is as far as I'll go.


You do not argue.
You merely restate your assertions.
You do so without refuting any of mine in the process.


You're an idiot.

And you're an angry recluse who couldn't even get laid at a Linux festival

out of the two situations one seems infinitely preferable to me

EDIT: oh wait it was Prometheus who couldn't get laid at the Linux festival and it was you who started ranting about how all the conformists at school are scared of you because you listen to death metal in class and are a red belt in karate or something

Wait, so Prometheum and Prometheus are not the same person?

All these years...

I quite liked Prometheus.

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