Let's say that, the current moderation staff and the admins were thinking about adding one SG regular to become a permanent moderator for SG. Who would it be? Who would you like to see in a seat of power?

I can't tell if I like you or not... :/

I donno but I think that the current moderators for SG are shit eating loosers. It'd be pretty cool if they added you in there.

Everyone knows I should be the one and only, all powerful mod of SG.. and HB too

Ronald Reagan or Ben Kingsley.

I feel that both would be fair, competent and maintain a necessary level of order.

I'd ban everyone. Then myself.

Tommy Lund or Nerd Fangs.

But really though we all know if they were thinking of adding an SG regular as mod then it'd be me.

daguru probably, although technically he's not a SG regular

Probably Argonplasma, he posts here quite often

I don't care who, but make sure they at least contribute once and while. The current mods don't post much in SG.

Barack Obama. Why the fuck not the nigger already has all the power why not give him a tad more.

spectraL or someone not exactly famous so the popularity contest is irreverent

Let's say that, the current moderation staff and the admins were thinking about adding one SG regular to become a permanent moderator for SG. Who would it be? Who would you like to see in a seat of power?


Disclaimer: The current moderation staff and the admins are not currently thinking about this - unless I'm out of the loop here. This is but a thought experimnet....Just didn't want anyone else's hopes raised *Cough*Toothlessjoe*Cough*....

Disclaimer: The current moderation staff and the admins are not currently thinking about this - unless I'm out of the loop here. This is but a thought experimnet....Just didn't want anyone else's hopes raised *Cough*Toothlessjoe*Cough*....

lol...

Although I thought he was aiming for modship of Vogon...?

I want to mod INTFIOTW.

Y hello thar.

Why the fuck are you asking us?

Reject for SG mod!

-deus-

Disclaimer: The current moderation staff and the admins are not currently thinking about this - unless I'm out of the loop here. This is but a thought experimnet....Just didn't want anyone else's hopes raised *Cough*Toothlessjoe*Cough*....

Like they are really going to believe that. We may have just come out and said "Hey, who wants to be mod of SG?" instead of doing it smart...

I think I deserve it.

Purge them all.


No gods, no managers.

I nominate Toothlesjoe so there will be someone to represent the homosexuals of Totse.

I'd take that offer.

zok: Would you like to mod SG, -SpectraL?

-SpectraL: I'd much rather dip you in flour and eat you with a little ketchup and maybe a couple of soft bread-rolls.

zok: Owwwkaaay... would anyone else like to mod SG?

DerDrache

Bringing change to SG.

zinquaff and full_circle for sg mods.



I think all of totse's mods should be flushed out and replaced with brand new mods. or atleast in sg, ifiotw and hb.

Reject for SG mod!

-deus-



Haha that would be hilarious.

...should be flushed out and replaced...

Harsh, man. Very harsh. I'm sure no one would like to be flushed out.

It will be kind of nice having Snoopy around again.

zok: Would you like to mod SG, -SpectraL?

-SpectraL: I'd much rather dip you in flour and eat you with a little ketchup and maybe a couple of soft bread-rolls.



are you sure spectral, because you know what they say "you are what you eat"

zinquaff and full_circle for sg mods.



I think all of totse's mods should be flushed out and replaced with brand new mods. or atleast in sg, ifiotw and hb.

Wait a second...those arent new mods!

It will be kind of nice having Snoopy around again.

This thread needs more XeNobiTe (http://www.totse.com/community/member.php?u=201205).

This thread needs more XeNobiTe (http://www.totse.com/community/member.php?u=201205).

..and why isn't cronic5 a moderator?

seriously.

Myself, obviously.

I think I would hate SpectraL as mod, he seems like the type that'd power trip like mad.

Gandalf for mod!

Disclaimer: The current moderation staff and the admins are not currently thinking about this - unless I'm out of the loop here. This is but a thought experimnet....Just didn't want anyone else's hopes raised *Cough*Toothlessjoe*Cough*....


Thank you

I wish he would get that thru his skull

Anyone as long as it isn't an 08er or 09er.

DerDrache

Bringing change to SG.

Change you can sleep in dread of.

I think I would hate SpectraL as mod, he seems like the type that'd power trip like mad.

It was only the recent hack that gave Spectral the opportunity to demonstrate that he'd make a decent mod.

I didn't witness any previous 'mad power trip'.

Disclaimer: The current moderation staff and the admins are not currently thinking about this - unless I'm out of the loop here. This is but a thought experimnet....Just didn't want anyone else's hopes raised *Cough*Toothlessjoe*Cough*....

*Cough*:rolleyes:*cough*

Hey guys, any good jokes about me in M&A lately? I think Totse would explode if I were ever made a mod. Don't worry because it will never happen, will it mods?

The ONLY forum I would mod if I were given the opportunity would be Vogon and nobody can give a reason why I couldn't do it other than the fact I'd do it/want to do it. Case in point I was already asked by King_Cotton to replace him and you guys didn't want me to because......?

It's much more fun to make jokes and contemptuously spit about posters who make an effort than to reward them (See: Spectral, DaGuru, Bckpcker, Euda, etc), right?

...and before you shit your pants and fly off on another diatribe (despite the fact they offer nothing of merit) Meta I am trying to state that I don't want to be a mod for the sake of being a mod. You seem to think I wan tto mod any forum. You won't mod me because I seemingly threaten your indolent nature.

Now, go on, Go slime your hand over in M&A about another Toothlessjoe post relating to modship.

Hey guys, any good jokes about me in M&A lately?

Alas, no.

Having mentioned Spectral though, I honestly can't recall any time in the last 18 months when he hasn't been on M&A's front page somewhere. Unfortunately it's usually in the context of some pantomime opera where he's been cast as the child-snatcher.

Alas, no.

Having mentioned Spectral though, I honestly can't recall any time in the last 18 months when he hasn't been on M&A's front page somewhere. Unfortunately it's usually in the context of some pantomime opera where he's been cast as the child-snatcher.

Pity.

I think you should address the rest of my post :p. Or has Meta sanctioned everyone again so he gets all the 'fun'?

I want to be a mod... :(

I want to be a mod... :(

well you just blew your chances

Unfortunately it's usually in the context of some pantomime opera where he's been cast as the child-snatcher.

Had four get clean away last month when I left a can of WD-40 too close to the bars, and I had to live on wild berries and field mice for nearly there weeks. In fact, I still have indigestion from the whole episode. Never worry though, as I've recently installed wall-hooks and clappers in every single one of my coaches, and I don't see any of the little buggers outsmarting me again anytime soon.

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/childcatcher-431x300.jpg

The ONLY forum I would mod if I were given the opportunity would be Vogon and nobody can give a reason why I couldn't do it other than the fact I'd do it/want to do it. Case in point I was already asked by King_Cotton to replace him and you guys didn't want me to because......?

It's much more fun to make jokes and contemptuously spit about posters who make an effort than to reward them (See: Spectral, DaGuru, Bckpcker, Euda, etc), right?

...and before you shit your pants and fly off on another diatribe (despite the fact they offer nothing of merit) Meta I am trying to state that I don't want to be a mod for the sake of being a mod. You seem to think I wan tto mod any forum. You won't mod me because I seemingly threaten your indolent nature.

Now, go on, Go slime your hand over in M&A about another Toothlessjoe post relating to modship.

Pity.

I think you should address the rest of my post :p. Or has Meta sanctioned everyone again so he gets all the 'fun'?

You're certainly Meta's special project, AFAIK no one else has a gripe with you, however...

I really don't think you should've pissed him off with the picture thing. Very bad move to shit on someone with quasi-admin authority on a site like Totse. Yes, yes, it was in HB, you were only trying to be satirical or w/e, supposedly all within the boundaries of HB 'culture'. But the point is Meta is a man who takes his site wide rules seriously. So irrespective of your intention, as a consequence of your rule-disregarding actions by posting your own banned picture (after using those same rules to force Meta's hand in banning other people) he ended up being publicly humiliated and covered in shit.

HB shit at that.

Now it doesn't matter how badly you think you're currently being treated. You played a joke without considering the nature of the beast you were dealing with and are having to pay a heavy price. Although I have great trouble seeing how you wouldn't think of infractions as being consequences to your complaint to Meta. Of all the mods on Totse, when it comes to posting unauthorized pictures, it's common knowledge he'll bust balls the hardest. I mean if I had to hand-pick a mod to ensure people were banned for posting my pic...

So I can see Meta's problem with you being a mod who he, as a supermod, would have to work with; previously you've either intentionally set out to make him look like a fool and get people banned, or you've blundered your way to the same outcome.

Either way, how could he trust you?

Trust me in what way? The blunder has already been cleared up as far as I'm aware: It was bad communication and partly bad judgement on my part. There was no hidden agenda to it because I'd already been asked by King_Cotton weeks before then if I had any interest in modding Vogon. Hardly something I'd risk fucking up, no?

We covered this in a thread already and I've learned since to be terribly clear in my E-mails when it concerns a mod to avoid future situations.

Far worse things have happened on Totse and given the position I stand in you'd have to be deluded to not think I wouldn't heavily consult Meta and everyone else for the beginning of my tenure. If something was up I could be de-modded and even perma-banned for the trouble.

I've already refused Spectral's offers of changing my account to escape its seemingly doomed reputation. I rode out my ban, never evaded it and let's face it, it's not hard to evade a ban, so where is the difficulty coming from?

Sambob was reinstated in OI after his fuckups.

Euda wasn't (immediately) de-modded when he was upsetting Meta and causing him to want to leave.

Fact is nobody can honestly give a clear anwer to why I was never modded and haven't since been put into Vogon other than the weak reasons of:

You want it too much.
You're not needed (despite it always having had two mods).
You had that blunder one time.
You're capable and I don't know why, you don't need to convince me (Meta).

On that last one yet another laugh has arose because Meta now goes to say that he was just playing about thus proving him to be a total liar.

Totse doesn't care about its community. Prove me wrong and suggest some reform that would enable one to be eligible for mod. You won't.

What possible naughty could happen that isn't alreadya chance with anyone being a mod? Nothing.

Lockie666, he seems like the sort of responsible person who would moderate SG in a decent manner.

I really don't know what all the fuss is. Lots of people have posted Metaphysicist's pic and walked away with little more than a light willy-whack. I think it's more a matter of WHO posts the pic than when.

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http://www.biography.com/biography/images/episode_images/JohnWayne_Gacy_320x240.jpg

Why was Euda demodded? I found him to be a good poster.:(

Why was Euda demodded? I found him to be a good poster.:(

His posting hasn't changed since so I can only guess he tickled somebody's bum the wrong way.

DerDrache

Bringing change to SG.

I laughed.

Also: Lol@Toothlessjoe.

Who cares, SG is dead.

Who cares, SG is dead.




Yup and why are we playing this childish game "If we could choose anyone to be a mod who would it be?" this has been done a hundred times at least a year.

lol@totsedrama.

Never gets old. :)

Trust me in what way? The blunder has already been cleared up as far as I'm aware: It was bad communication and partly bad judgement on my part. There was no hidden agenda to it because I'd already been asked by King_Cotton weeks before then if I had any interest in modding Vogon. Hardly something I'd risk fucking up, no?

No. But then you carried on and completely fucked it up anyway. Sure, some mods turn out to be pretty shit, but it's foolish to put doubt in peoples minds before you get the chance to prove yourself.

And considering that you weren't the only candidate for Vogon mod, listening to you complain like you've lost some obvious right to ascension is becoming painful. Besides, Joe, you wouldn't fuck with your workplace superiors whilst you knew you were being considered for a promotion, so what makes you think Totse is any different? It might be unfair, biased, non-egalitarian, waah, waah, waah... but this site doesn't profess to be some meritocratic utopia and you've been here longer than me to realize that, so why bitch about the reality of the place when it hits you hard in the face?

Anybody but spectral.

Reject or Nerd Fangs or both FTW!

Revvy too maybe, once he's less busy teaching Polish people?

:cool:

Ahhh SG hasn't changed. Soup frendz?

Ahhh SG hasn't changed. Soup frendz?

Except the threads that are on the first page have been there for around a week now.

Except the threads that are on the first page have been there for around a week now.

I think I should make some 10 threads.

Never mind. I made 3, couldn't think of anything. :(

No. But then you carried on and completely fucked it up anyway. Sure, some mods turn out to be pretty shit, but it's foolish to put doubt in peoples minds before you get the chance to prove yourself.

Carried on? What do you mean?

And considering that you weren't the only candidate for Vogon mod, listening to you complain like you've lost some obvious right to ascension is becoming painful.

At the end of the day the admins could put anyone they liked in there :rolleyes:. The only regular writers and skilled enough writers in Vogon who are worthy to mod the forum (based on their merits as writers and their vision for the forum... before anyone shits their collective mod pants) are:

- CatharticWeek (who is no longer a mod there and may well be dead.)

- King_Cotton (Who is no longer a mod there because he got fed up with not having his wants met in a reasonable, timely fashion).

- Bangbangsilverhammer.

- Gorloche (Currently a mod).

- anastaciadarling (she's still a little green, but a fantastic talent).

- Myself :eek:.

I was asked after doing all the right things (keeping my head down, contributing good posts and my own work) just like it says you should do in the F.A.Q. I contribute in every forum I post in (HB doesn't count as a forum, let's be honest) and there's nothing to suggest I'm a bad poster. Meta/whoever doesn't like me and it's as plain as that. Shit on the people who try to bring something to each forum and watch as people around them leave, moan and illustrate the lower standard on Totse.

We've lost both of the former mods of Vogon now and they were two of the best writers the forum had. How long before each forum slowly turns into a pathetic shell of the discussion it used to hold because all the decent posters have been driven away?

Besides, Joe, you wouldn't fuck with your workplace superiors whilst you knew you were being considered for a promotion, so what makes you think Totse is any different? It might be unfair, biased, non-egalitarian, waah, waah, waah... but this site doesn't profess to be some meritocratic utopia and you've been here longer than me to realize that, so why bitch about the reality of the place when it hits you hard in the face?

This place is based around certain ideals. With my constant swinging from nihilism to idealism I like to hope sometimes that someone who contributes in a manner originally encouraged will get their recognitions for it. I don't ever expect to be modded so unless I sign in one day and it's been done, it does something to amuse me to watch the myriad of posts that fly from everyone in Totses upper quarter because they can't give a straight answer and try to evade everything to mold their own reality.

You guys (not you personally I hope, but mods as a whole since you all act as one body, right?) have fondled the truth or each situation so much through your evasion and blatant backpeddling you cannot even keep track of it anymore. It's become so perverted De Sadé himself would denounce it. Every new post that emerges in these contemptuous spats further highlights a new level of hypocrisy, plutocracy and nepotism.

Some "staff" here might feel like royalty and those that do can can bask in your false stature all you like -- it does little to change the facts that some of us post in address to these issues in these threads.

You sit and cheer your deluded surface glories as Totse crumbles.

Terrible.

Toothlessjoe takes becoming a mod very seriously.

just let toothless be mod....
you are simply saying no due to the fact that it carries on this continuing disagreement on if he should be mod, and for some reason you people seem to find it entertaining..
obviously he thinks he can do it..let him prove himself....

and by the by..
Thank you toothless you are my second favorite totsean next to winston_smith [due to the fact that he provides good music and sex..lol]
you don't....lol

Carried on? What do you mean?

Carried on to fuck up your chances of becoming mod by causing Meta grief.

At the end of the day the admins could put anyone they liked in there :rolleyes:. The only regular writers and skilled enough writers in Vogon who are worthy to mod the forum (based on their merits as writers and their vision for the forum... before anyone shits their collective mod pants) are:

Yes, they could have, but supermods essentially have the power of veto.

I was asked after doing all the right things (keeping my head down, contributing good posts and my own work) just like it says you should do in the F.A.Q. I contribute in every forum I post in (HB doesn't count as a forum, let's be honest) and there's nothing to suggest I'm a bad poster. Meta/whoever doesn't like me and it's as plain as that. Shit on the people who try to bring something to each forum and watch as people around them leave, moan and illustrate the lower standard on Totse.

I agree, but then you gave him a pretty good reason to dislike you.

We've lost both of the former mods of Vogon now and they were two of the best writers the forum had. How long before each forum slowly turns into a pathetic shell of the discussion it used to hold because all the decent posters have been driven away?

Vogon might be having a spasm at the moment, but most of the srs bsnss forums don’t appear to be turning into pathetic shells of themselves.

Unless I'm missing something.

You guys (not you personally I hope, but mods as a whole since you all act as one body, right?)

Supposedly, but it’s the only body I know of that’s got at least three arseholes.

We are instructed to present a united public front, and presentation is often all it amounts to.

This place is based around certain ideals. With my constant swinging from nihilism to idealism I like to hope sometimes that someone who contributes in a manner originally encouraged will get their recognitions for it. I don't ever expect to be modded so unless I sign in one day and it's been done, it does something to amuse me to watch the myriad of posts that fly from everyone in Totses upper quarter because they can't give a straight answer and try to evade everything to mold their own reality.

have fondled the truth or each situation so much through your evasion and blatant backpeddling you cannot even keep track of it anymore. It's become so perverted De Sadé himself would denounce it. Every new post that emerges in these contemptuous spats further highlights a new level of hypocrisy, plutocracy and nepotism. Some "staff" here might feel like royalty and those that do can can bask in your false stature all you like -- it does little to change the facts that some of us post in address to these issues in these threads.

You sit and cheer your deluded surface glories as Totse crumbles.

Terrible.

A touch melodramatic, don't you think?

Totse is much like any other hierarchical organization; progression requires you to bring something to the table as an individual, but if you don't play the game at the same time it's unlikely you'll get anywhere.

Originally Posted by Toothlessjoe
I was asked after doing all the right things (keeping my head down, contributing good posts and my own work) just like it says you should do in the F.A.Q. I contribute in every forum I post in (HB doesn't count as a forum, let's be honest) and there's nothing to suggest I'm a bad poster. Meta/whoever doesn't like me and it's as plain as that. Shit on the people who try to bring something to each forum and watch as people around them leave, moan and illustrate the lower standard on Totse.

I know ton's of posters who do the exact same thing. Contribute, don't cause trouble, blah blah blah, and they aren't moderators. And most likely never will be. Your grave mistake was to make an enemy with the one person that has the utmost say in about any situation and who is liked by both Administrators. You fucked up. You made him look like an asshole. Maybe if you quit bitching and moaning about it like a little prat, then you might just be able to get what you want.

Carried on to fuck up your chances of becoming mod by causing Meta grief.

Continued greif? I did nothing but vehemently defend my case that it wasn't malicous intent that caused the situation. There are E-mails to prove it and oddballz194 also conceded that it was bad judgement and poor commincation and that I need to be more careful in the future.

Yes, they could have, but supermods essentially have the power of veto.

Well Meta has stated he has no problem with me and has also now stated that he only puts such posts out to make people think they actually have a chance at getting a position already asked from them. So it's clear he is a sour, old man who is holding posters develppment and Totses development back. Prove me wrong?

I agree, but then you gave him a pretty good reason to dislike you.

That horse is dead, don't tire yourself out on it. See above.


Vogon might be having a spasm at the moment, but most of the srs bsnss forums don’t appear to be turning into pathetic shells of themselves.

Unless I'm missing something.

Right, so it's low traffic and of low common interest so let it rot? Nice attitude to take.

We are instructed to present a united public front, and presentation is often all it amounts to.

Don't flatter it. So many of you show your distaste that even your attempted subtle nuances in posts are now loud and clear. Everyone knows some mods are unhappy with how Totse is being run.

A touch melodramatic, don't you think?

Totse is much like any other hierarchical organization; progression requires you to bring something to the table as an individual, but if you don't play the game at the same time it's unlikely you'll get anywhere.

I am playing the game :rolleyes:. I post and contribute in manner encouraged by the very ideals the site was based upon. Tell me, why exactly did you get my ban reduced? To annoy HB, annoy Meta or for some other reason?

As arrogance will allow me to: I challenge anyone to fine more suitable candidates than I have presented for Vogon. You can't.

Maybe if you quit bitching and moaning about it like a little prat, then you might just be able to get what you want.

Care to place a wager? :p.

Meta doesn't want it to happen. What happened, happened. He seems to think I was playing him despite my being asked to mod Vogon. How delightfully stupid to think that was really the case.

I'm clearly capable, as are many in other forums. Give peoplea chance. The worst that can happen is they do badly, get de-modded and have to eat humble pie.

Care to place a wager? :p.

Meta doesn't want it to happen. What happened, happened. He seems to think I was playing him despite my being asked to mod Vogon. How delightfully stupid to think that was really the case.

I'm clearly capable, as are many in other forums. Give peoplea chance. The worst that can happen is they do badly, get de-modded and have to eat humble pie.

I would, but I don't think you'd have the money to pay me when I won.

I would, but I don't think you'd have the money to pay me when I won.

HAH! :D.

You're saying if I withdraw from thiis "Totse is being run like shit" and "mod mod mod waaah" nonsense that I'll get modded in time and then won't be able to pay you?

You're saying I'll get modded?

Hahahaha! Oh my. Tell you what you set a (reasonable :rolleyes:) time period and I'll withdraw from the said discussions for that period and if I am modded because of that you can choose some text that I'll put in my sig, indefinately. To be there for all time. If I'm not a mod at the end of it you can quit yapping about me going on about this and you can relenquish your modship if you're so damn self-assured on this?

Fair bet I'd say.

HAH! :D.

You're saying if I withdraw from thiis "Totse is being run like shit" and "mod mod mod waaah" nonsense that I'll get modded in time and then won't be able to pay you?

You're saying I'll get modded?

Hahahaha! Oh my. Tell you what you set a (reasonable :rolleyes:) time period and I'll withdraw from the said discussions and if I am modded you can choose some text that I'll put in my sig. If I'm not a tthe end of it you can quit yapping about me going on about this and you can relenquish your modship if you're so damn self-assured on this?

Fair bet I'd say.

Now, I never said that I would bet on you being Modded. I was saying that you would actually be considered again if you quit all this bitching. You see, bitching about how things are run, isn't going to get you a seat on the board. ;)

Yeah, I'd be considered for sure. Where have I heard that before... Oh yeah, it was one of Meta's many lies on the issue.

Fact of the matter is there's so much bullshit on Totse that "being considered" means nothing. Put up or shut up as it were. You either give someone criteria to meet for modships or admit you're a liar and hypocrite and deal with it.

Yeah, I'd be considered for sure. Where have I heard that before... Oh yeah, it was one of Meta's many lies on the issue.

Fact of the matter is there's so much bullshit on Totse that "being considered" means nothing. Put up or shut up as it were. You either give someone criteria to meet for modships or admit you're a liar and hypocrite and deal with it.

LOL, so now I'm a liar, and a hypocrite? I was just trying to give some friendly advice. :D

LOL, so now I'm a liar, and a hypocrite? I was just trying to give some friendly advice. :D

I know :p. I meant in Meta's/the admins case. I'm just generalising with mah wordz.

I wouldn't dare call you names lest my hand gets trapped and some equipment "fails". The workshop is a dangerous place...

*Hands over bleach*

Trust me in what way? The blunder has already been cleared up as far as I'm aware: It was bad communication and partly bad judgement on my part. There was no hidden agenda to it because I'd already been asked by King_Cotton weeks before then if I had any interest in modding Vogon. Hardly something I'd risk fucking up, no?

So if you had known he was going to nominate you, you wouldn't have done it?

Far worse things have happened on Totse and given the position I stand in

Well that's a ringing endorsement... :rolleyes:



Sambob was reinstated in OI after his fuckups.

Do the words: Apples & oranges mean anything to you?

Euda wasn't (immediately) de-modded when he was upsetting Meta and causing him to want to leave.

That's because upsetting me isn't reason to be demodded. If that were all he had done, he'd still be a mod - unless he left on his own - but it wasn't.

Fact is nobody can honestly give a clear answer to why I was never modded and haven't since been put into Vogon other than the weak reasons of:


Well I can't speak for Zok, but knowing him I imagine it's because KC gave him two choices for his replacement and Zok chose the less controversial one. He's funny like that.

On that last one yet another laugh has arose because Meta now goes to say that he was just playing about thus proving him to be a total liar.

I lied about nothing. Everything I told you - as far as I remember - was true. It's just that by that time your chances were long gone no matter what you did. I trolled you. Get over it.

Totse doesn't care about its community. Prove me wrong and suggest some reform that would enable one to be eligible for mod. You won't.

What reform? Anyone can still become a mod if you follow the FAQ. Remember the part about asking to be mod? Well what you've been doing is the same thing. YOU TRY TOO HARD. And the fact is that we've always felt that those who want it that bad are likely to be the kind we don't want to be mods.

What possible naughty could happen that isn't already chance with anyone being a mod? Nothing.

Again, that's not a very good reason. In fact it is a very bad reason to make someone a mod.



I was asked after doing all the right things (keeping my head down, contributing good posts and my own work) just like it says you should do in the F.A.Q. I contribute in every forum I post in (HB doesn't count as a forum, let's be honest) and there's nothing to suggest I'm a bad poster.

You missed the part about not asking to be a mod.
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We are instructed to present a united public front, and presentation is often all it amounts to.



I wonder.....does anyone know (or perhaps is willing to say publicly) exactly who came up with this stupid rule in the first place? Because in the ever growing list of reasons why Totse is pretty much dead and buried......this is certainly one of them.

The whole concept is ludicrous and goes completely against the foundational principles of Totse. Basically they are taking smart/opionated/verbose people that have established themselves as the best of the best posters (why else would they have been moderated?) and are now telling them to take their intellectual perspectives and shut up. Desiring some collective Borg-like thought process from a group of such smart and diverse people could be one of the most ridiculous expectations ever.

That idealogy and logic makes ZERO sense, and doesn't "help" Totse in any way, shape or form. The only people that are "helped" in any of that.....are the moderators who moderate with hypocrisy and nonsense at their side, whose modding styles can NOT stand the test of common sense or reason. Bascially the one(s) that have egg on their face publicly for having their modding mishaps exposed by their peers. "Admins.......help me or I'll LEAVE, cuz I'm not having funnnnnnn any more!!!!1!1!!".

Yet again this placed is dragged into the cesspool because rules are enacted not for the betterment of this community, instead just to save the face of some very immature and ridiculous people in power.

You missed the part about not asking to be a mod.

"A: Pick a favorite subject-forum and start posting lots of good messages in it. Help people out. Point them towards the answers that they seek. Eventually someone will notice your good works and make you a moderator. Or you can just ask, but the answer may be "no."

:rolleyes:. Doesn't say you can't.

:rolleyes:. Doesn't say you can't.

hes right there. Just make this bitch ass a mod already.

basically > You need one, he needs to be one - whats the problem here?:rolleyes:

hes right there. Just make this bitch ass a mod already.

basically > You need one, he needs to be one - whats the problem here?:rolleyes:

I'm not sure where you got the idea that one is needed

..And the Totse soap opera goes on.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that one is needed

Et tu, wires?

That's because upsetting me isn't reason to be demodded. If that were all he had done, he'd still be a mod - unless he left on his own - but it wasn't.

I utterly refused to tell them what licking the butter means.

.....??


I was wondering when you were going to pop into this thread :D

Take this to B&M. :mad:

Et tu, wires?

That was NOT about you. Don't even try and make it out like it was

Toothless causes so many arguements around &T.

Toothless causes so many arguements around &T.

He's one of the best trolls.

Anybody but spectral.Why youuuu...

I'll have you know the more you hate me, the better chance you give me of taking over this particular cage full of monkey-children. They like someone who's really hated. In fact, admins absolutely love the hated ones, so you better start commenting on my good looks and superior style, or else you might regret it. I like daisies and soft-centered chocolates.

:rolleyes:. Doesn't say you can't.


But it does say:

Or you can just ask, but the answer may be "no."

So why are you surprised you've been told no?

I'm not, I've done the other thing it says too.

I'm not, I've done the other thing it says too.They'll never let you in now, TJ. Too much of a spectacle about it now for that. Same advice as last time: make another account, drop that one for good, make good contributions on it, and you'll probably get where you're going eventually. This one has too much stigma attached to it now, and continuing to try for mod on it would be absolutely pointless and frustrating for you. Take it from me.. I should know.

They'll never let you in now, TJ. Too much of a spectacle about it now for that. Same advice as last time: make another account, drop that one for good, make good contributions on it, and you'll probably get where you're going eventually. This one has too much stigma attached to it now, and continuing to try for mod on it would be absolutely pointless and frustrating for you. Take it from me.. I should know.

Who says I don't already have a mod account? ;). Haha, imagine the uproar if that turned out to be true.

I don't see why I should do that. I'll always post on one account; this one.

Who says I don't already have a mod account? ;). Haha, imagine the uproar if that turned out to be true.

The only mod with 2 accounts is deus-redux, and that's me.

Who says I don't already have a mod account? ;). Haha, imagine the uproar if that turned out to be true.

I don't see why I should do that. I'll always post on one account; this one.Well I think you do a fine job of making readable contributions on Totse, and I thank you for all your efforts. You know, I may even let you peek in on my stuffed administrator-head collection some day. Their final stares are absolutely classic.

Toothlessjoe takes becoming a mod very seriously.

i think everyone on page two takes everything too seriously. They should be shot.

Continued greif? I did nothing but vehemently defend my case that it wasn't malicous intent that caused the situation. There are E-mails to prove it and oddballz194 also conceded that it was bad judgement and poor commincation and that I need to be more careful in the future.

I never used the phrase "continued grief". The short bout of grief you caused Meta was obviously enough for him to kick your hopes of modship firmly in the bollocks.

Well Meta has stated he has no problem with me and has also now stated that he only puts such posts out to make people think they actually have a chance at getting a position already asked from them. So it's clear he is a sour, old man who is holding posters develppment and Totses development back. Prove me wrong?

That horse is dead, don't tire yourself out on it. See above.

Actually it's your job to prove you're right.

Right, so it's low traffic and of low common interest so let it rot? Nice attitude to take.

That's not my attitude at all, but there's little point in responding to your question when you've so kindly provided a surrogate answer for me.

Don't flatter it. So many of you show your distaste that even your attempted subtle nuances in posts are now loud and clear. Everyone knows some mods are unhappy with how Totse is being run.

A few grumbling mods hardly validates your claim that the mods are choking on their on corruption, whilst Totse falls apart around them.

I am playing the game :rolleyes:. I post and contribute in manner encouraged by the very ideals the site was based upon.

Ideals are all well and good but aren't worth much if you interact poorly with the people in charge. Have you ever had a job, I mean a full time, long term job with a structured career path ahead of you?

It's just that you come across as being quite naive.

Tell me, why exactly did you get my ban reduced? To annoy HB, annoy Meta or for some other reason?

What 's that got to do with anything?

As arrogance will allow me to: I challenge anyone to fine more suitable candidates than I have presented for Vogon. You can't.

And we haven't bothered, because your candidate list isn't the issue.

I worked my way from floorhand/server to supervisor and then to manager in just under two years before I quit because the company wasn't meeting my needs. What's your point?

If I stop with these issues I'll still never become a mod simply because Meta has issues with what happened and clearly can't deal with the fact I have opinions that I voice.

Big fucking deal :rolleyes:.

Thing is, as zok and wires have pointed out, a moderator would only be added IF the current moderator(s) of that board wanted them in AND zok/acidmelt/Jeff approved it AND only if one was indeed required. Just because a board had two moderators before does not necessarily dictate that there should be more than one at the moment. However, I'm still of the mindset that a board needs a moderator for more than just extra hands, but rather as a positive catalyst to that particular society. Call me weird, but I think that's how a thriving community should be organized at the moderator level.

If I stop with these issues I'll still never become a mod simply because Meta has issues with what happened and clearly can't deal with the fact I have opinions that I voice.



Don't blame it on me now. I never told Zok not to mod you. I never told anyone not to mod you.

Do you not think others have noticed your efforts? Did it not occur to you that others might think you shouldn't be mod due to that too?

No sir, it's all on you now.

We need to treat the moderator group just as if they were fried chicken. All with me, say aye! Aye!

Give all moderators privilages in SG.

Simple.

Don't blame it on me now. I never told Zok not to mod you. I never told anyone not to mod you.

Do you not think others have noticed your efforts? Did it not occur to you that others might think you shouldn't be mod due to that too?

No sir, it's all on you now.

So long as you had a say in things I'd never be a mod.

That's a quote from you that you said many times. You're so full of shit :D. Let me guess you never told them, but you made suggestions?

:rolleyes:.

Give all moderators privilages in SG.

Simple.Problem with that is, there's less accountability. The way it is now, if one of those four even blink twice, the SG-regs know it, and can then assuredly proceed to nail the offending moderator to a tree. When you have up to two dozen goons popping in and every out every few seconds for a quick meal or two, it becomes much more problematic to identify, hunt down, and wound the culprit, not too mention the complications of trying to deliver the killing blow to the downed interloper once he or she is cornered. You've probably never even seen a cornered moderator, but I have. It's a terrible sight... all teeth and claws... No. There has to be accountability, or the forest would get much too dangerous, and none of us would even be able to venture out without fear for our lives.

"Totse" doesn't care about its regulars spectral, the fact the regulars wouldn't be able to account for who did what isn't the issue. The issue is Meta and his goons wouldn't be able to tell who did what. Implying that they simply don't trust the mod team.

Why youuuu...

I'll have you know the more you hate me, the better chance you give me of taking over this particular cage full of monkey-children. They like someone who's really hated. In fact, admins absolutely love the hated ones, so you better start commenting on my good looks and superior style, or else you might regret it. I like daisies and soft-centered chocolates.

This is why.
Every post of yours begins with a quote and ends with an unnecessarily long self-indulgent 'I'm rubber and you're glue' comment.
You take totse far too seriously which results in you coming across as an internet brown-nose.

This is why.
Every post of yours begins with a quote and ends with an unnecessarily long self-indulgent 'I'm rubber and you're glue' comment.
You take totse far too seriously which results in you coming across as an internet brown-nose.Oh come now. You know you're just jealous. 'fess up you cad. You ain't foolin' anybody, son, what with your clever wording and warped parables.

Could you imagine the backlash (from Half Baked) if one day they logged in and Spectral, DaGuru and myself were mods on Totse?

I still maintain despite the fun it can be sometimes (and I'm really stretching the word sometimes here) the "Half Baked attitude/posting style" is the reason why Totse is going downhill contentwise.

Most forums on the Internet have one forum where blatant flaming, trolling and user harrassment and such is allowed because it detracts from the discussion in the other forums. We have Half Baked, Bitch & Moan and every other forum.

Nobody wants to see 4 Chan in every forum.

If this was real, i think i would make a Semi-Decent mod.

Could you imagine the backlash (from Half Baked) if one day they logged in and Spectral, DaGuru and myself were mods on Totse?

I still maintain despite the fun it can be sometimes (and I'm really stretching the word sometimes here) the "Half Baked attitude/posting style" is the reason why Totse is going downhill contentwise.

They'd never allow it. Much too forward-thinking there. We're dealing with old grannies, TJ... dinosaurs from another age. You can't expect them to just get up and start running around flopping their canes and back-braces all over the place. Let's face reality here, if not anything else.

Just searching through the last two pages of threads that Meta has made clearly shows the state of Totses mods: most don't contribute on a day-to-day level like a regular.

Almost all of the threads are just continuations of threads previously made, are to do with administrative endeavours and the few that aren't (and I mean few) are almost up to a year old.

He just doesn't contribute anymore. Same with most mods. They only contribution of worth he has made was getting Vogon's name changed back and that was only because he was put in as a mod for a short period. Stating that he'd also like to see content expand beyond just poetry, much like me and Gorloche (hence the sticky in there now) and yet he does little to bring it to fruition now it's not one of "his" forums.

Although if anyone ever needs an irrefutable point of reference for why this place is fucked and less vocal now, refer to this thread: http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2129848

You people hang out in HB/SG/B&M way too much. There is much more to Totse then these 'social' forums. If you actually ventured out into any other forum, they are perfectly fine, like they were years ago. Get out of SG, and maybe you'll see Totse is still the same.

You people hang out in HB/SG/B&M way too much. There is much more to Totse then these 'social' forums. If you actually ventured out into any other forum, they are perfectly fine, like they were years ago. Get out of SG, and maybe you'll see Totse is still the same.

Good post.

There is some truth to this, but it's not entriely true. Some forums are falling apart and aren't exactly great and they could be made better. Small changes, but they'd improve everything since they're not general conversation, general attitude forums. I see what you mean though.

Anyway, I give up on this administrative crap. I'll just stick to the forums I like and get what enjoyment and knowledge I can from them before they fall apart and before they are overun with HB-esqué morons. It's clear nothing progressive/productive is going to happen as a result of any of this.

Good post.

There is some truth to this, but it's not entriely true. Some forums are falling apart and aren't exactly great and they could be made better. Small changes, but they'd improve everything since they're not general conversation, general attitude forums. I see what you mean though.



This is because when people come here, they only see SG/HB/B&M. They hang out there, get addicted to the place because they can play stupid all day long, on not have to actually think. That is why some forums are falling apart, because the user base is less and less in them. This is a fact. Everyone bitching about the administration blah blah blah are mostly social heads. These social forums aren't what make up Totse. The knowledge forums are what make up Totse. In that sense, Totse is still as great as it was years ago.

EDIT: I just took a glance through the last 500 posts from DaGuru. His main focus has been SG/TWS/B&M. I don't see any other contribution to Totse other then bitching and moaning about this and that. He's nothing but a bitchy Troll who does not contribute anything but drama to Totse. Everyone, go ahead and look for yourself. The only focus, is the controversial forums and/or social forums just to stir up trouble. And he's the one bitching about how Totse is falling apart.... lul... By the way, can't wait to get a response from you DaGuru ;) Prove me wrong that you have done NO contributing to Totse besides bitch and moan and troll the social forums. Prove to me that you are an active part of the community, that you take part in other forums, and then we can talk about 'how this place is shit' :D

This is because when people come here, they only see SG/HB/B&M. They hang out there, get addicted to the place because they can play stupid all day long, on not have to actually think. That is why some forums are falling apart, because the user base is less and less in them. This is a fact. Everyone bitching about the administration blah blah blah are mostly social heads. These social forums aren't what make up Totse. The knowledge forums are what make up Totse. In that sense, Totse is still as great as it was years ago.

True, but I don't see what the big deal is when regulars in those forums want a little change to keep them at a decent standard? I mean the knowledge based forums.

OI --apart from the fact the bckpker needs to be modded (it needs another mod, really)-- is the best example of a "serious" forum that works. The community there generally shuns idiots and turns any troll threds into a proper discussion. It does get higher traffic though.

Games People Play is in desperate need of a seasonal sport sub-forum to cover whatever that season's sport is because it unfairly dominates the forums discussion otherwise. It essestially becomes a forum to discuss the one sport. It'd be great then.

A forum like Vogon is losing all of the decent writers there for many reasons but that is one fo them. People from Half Baked (although it's not exclusive behaviour) go there and flame, post troll poems/threads and it's allowed to go on and ruin the forum. Why not take the step to maintain its intergrity and that of the other forums that are falling from grace?

Does it not annoy you mods to see your forums fall to shit?

EDIT: I just took a glance through the last 500 posts from DaGuru. His main focus has been SG/TWS/B&M. I don't see any other contribution to Totse other then bitching and moaning about this and that. He's nothing but a bitchy Troll who does not contribute anything but drama to Totse. Everyone, go ahead and look for yourself. The only focus, is the controversial forums and/or social forums just to stir up trouble. And he's the one bitching about how Totse is falling apart.... lul... By the way, can't wait to get a response from you DaGuru ;) Prove me wrong that you have done NO contributing to Totse besides bitch and moan and troll the social forums. Prove to me that you are an active part of the community, that you take part in other forums, and then we can talk about 'how this place is shit' :D

All one has to do is go look at my pre 1/08 history, and you'll see plenty of helpful/active/regular "non Totse drama" posting. And Expoitz, if you'd have followed along with what has happened to me and my Totse experience.....you would know full well how and why I'm conducting myself the way I am. But just for you .....

I started posting like everyone else some time in 06'.....while making an OCCASIONAL appearance in B & M commenting on things. Back then my takes were a lot more lighthearted about stuff, usually I tried to add more humor than anything.....even though I would make a poke or two at certain people here and there. For well over a year I was posting, contributing, helping, entertaining....just like anyone else. And sure I would get into my share of flamefests too, who doesn't ?

That all changed when that pissant coward Acidmelt decided to perma-ban me with the very illiterate reasoning of..."too many times now". Now despite me trying to privately and publicly get to the bottom of all this.....the entire Totse Senior Staff has ignored my inquiries and attempts at resolving all of this and mistakenly tried to make a joke out of it. Just one more power trip game to them, something they can play around with and sweep under the rug like they do with everything else around here.

They could have resolved/fixed/explained all of this very easily.....it would have taken only a few minutes of their time to go into it either publicly or privately. But you are talking about the very tattered egos here of Zok and Acidmelt, and there is no way they could come off of their roosts and admit they fucked up somehow.

It was actualy this whole debacle that once and for all exposed Zok to the entire community in how scared shitless he really is of Acidmelt. Despite him KNOWING 2+2=4, and moderator after moderator telling him 2+2=4, and his very own IP reports showing that 2+2=4......Zok still was relying on Acidmelt's belief that 2+2=5 and wouldn't dare correct or change that wrongful data for fear of SOMETHING that was going to come down the pike if he had the audacity to challeng Acidmelt's data......no matter how erroneous or ludicrous that data was. Basically Acidmelt was saying I was using multiple nicks, when everyone else was saying otherwise.

So instead of trying to fix, apologize, or at the very least guarantee no more fuckups like Acidmelt's ever happen again.......they just go about their merry way thinking they can walk away and it will all be over. And on THAT note they were wrong as well. What you are witness to now is the reaction to their cowardly and inept inactions. You have them hiding like little bitches in the shadows doing hardly anything, and Zok has pretty much been run off of B & M for good at this point. Yet somehow in their minds, they are "getting over" on me because a year later I'm still mocking their haphazard management practices. Their idea of "taking care of things" is letting me talk about all of the FACTS and TRUTHS in how this place is going down the tubes because of their idiocy......all the while they think the yucks they are getting from this futile tactic with their small handful of people in IRC is actually worth them looking like some stupid and scared morons within the rest of the community.

Basically they have 3 choices on how to deal with all of this....

1) Perma-ban me forever, at which point I'll laugh my ass off harder than ever since I've logged onto Totse. Because then they will have exposed how the Totse ideal has long been dead under their regime....since they've gotten rid of someone only because of content.

2) Resolve my situation that THEY fucked up, and I'll go back to posting normally in other forums to be the damn good poster I always was/am/can be.

3) Carry on with their usual and normal course of actions doing absolutely NOTHING, and just hoping things go away or people forget about their idiocy. I've been at this almost a full year now, so when exactly do they think this is all going to "just go away"? Does my resolve look like it is going to lessen to you?

So before you start trying to portray me as being "part of the problem" around here......remember I'm just the reaction to their immature and inept actions. Yes, you can lay my posting habits/takes at their feet as well. I'm the monster that they created, which they willingly accept and hide from each and every day. Amazing how much chaos some poor admin's fragile ego can create, huh?

Numjum

they should pick me

cause im a nice guy and on here all the time :)

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Well, thank you for that little piece of history. In all honestly, I'm sorry you were banned. BUT, don't you think it's a little stupid to start an e-war over being banned? Banning happens all the time, whether it was a fuck up or not, it's far easier to just accept the fact that it was a fuck up. It's far easier to just to 'get on with the show' rather then try and convince everyone that the admins are evil. To be blunt. You're being really childish. You're acting like a god damn anarchist/activist. The more they scream and yell about this and that, the less people want to listen. It just gets tiresome after a while, and people just stop caring. Maybe you haven't noticed, but that's what is going on here. People don't quite care.

It's not because they are 'afraid'. So far, No one has been perma banned, and that has to tell you something. There is a time to fight what you believe for, and then there is a time to just bow out, and accept things for what they are.

Exploitz: http://www.totse.com/community/showpost.php?p=10898393&postcount=113

Well, thank you for that little piece of history. In all honestly, I'm sorry you were banned. BUT, don't you think it's a little stupid to start an e-war over being banned? Banning happens all the time, whether it was a fuck up or not, it's far easier to just accept the fact that it was a fuck up. It's far easier to just to 'get on with the show' rather then try and convince everyone that the admins are evil. To be blunt. You're being really childish. You're acting like a god damn anarchist/activist. The more they scream and yell about this and that, the less people want to listen. It just gets tiresome after a while, and people just stop caring. Maybe you haven't noticed, but that's what is going on here. People don't quite care.

It's not because they are 'afraid'. So far, No one has been perma banned, and that has to tell you something. There is a time to fight what you believe for, and then there is a time to just bow out, and accept things for what they are.

I was banned a couple times for no reason too. I don't mind, though. This is just a website. :)

Banning happens all the time, whether it was a fuck up or not, it's far easier to just accept the fact that it was a fuck up. It's far easier to just to 'get on with the show'

BINGO!!!!!

Ladies and gentlemen....we have a winnnaaaaah!!!!!

Exploitz, it is THAT VERY mindset you posted about above that why this place has gone down the shitter. That is how they expect each and everyone to act. They are banking on people's laziness and apathy.

And you can think of/describe me as being "childish" all you like....you are entitled to that opinion. But honestly, what is REALLY more childish? Me...that is willing to discuss these things openly and honestly without any care or worries in the world? Or a bunch of pansy faggots hiding around in the shadows, not willing to address ANYTHING around here. (Mind you that isn't a comment on just "my" perma-ban scenario.....but in ALL things Totse).

Seriously dude...... you have thread after thread, day after day, user after user bringing SINCERE and LEGITIMATE problems to the table....and all they do is hide behind their curtain not doing/explaining anything. And the site traffic decreases, and decreases, and decreases.

I don't care what color you paint me Exploitz, as I don't really get too wrapped up into how other people view me.......especially strangers online. But the whole point is....even if I am the village idiot ala Ernest T. Bass, how in the hell is Mayberrry any better when Andy is letting him run around city hall streaking the place?

You see what I'm getting at here? This isn't "my" problem, "my" website, "my" responsibility of anything. I'm just a dimwitted dime a dozen poster.....my obligation/responsibility to this place is ABSOLUTELY ZERO. Yet the ones that DO have that obligation lazily sit around letting this place crumble, all the while hiding like scared little pissants. I can be as big a dick/drain/scurge on this place forever...none of that has any relevance to how badly they MISMANAGE this place on a daily basis. And that certainly ain't because little ole me is unning around as a mere reporter of events discussing how they are fucking it up.

I'm just reporting the facts around here Exploitz, its not me that is making those facts happen......

Nobody wants to see 4 Chan in every forum.

When quality threads and posters are undercut and/or have their threads closed, it leaves little reason to waste the time. Beyond that, allowing imagetags in every forum furthers the slide away from a conversational forum.

The content of totse isn't going downhill, SG's just at the bottom of the hill.

The moderation, well...you can only lead a horse to water.

Banning happens all the time, whether it was a fuck up or not...They say recognition is the first step to a healthy recovery.

In anycase I'm done bothering with these issues. Once Exploitz responds to my post I'll consider that closure as it were. All the facts and truths regarding Totse are now wildly apparant and I'm finished debating them.

In anycase I'm done bothering with these issues. Once Exploitz responds to my post I'll consider that closure as it were. All the facts and truths regarding Totse are now wildly apparant and I'm finished debating them.So you're just going to lay down??

In anycase I'm done bothering with these issues. Once Exploitz responds to my post I'll consider that closure as it were. All the facts and truths regarding Totse are now wildly apparant and I'm finished debating them.

Sorry, I didn't see that post at first. I"ll be able to get to it when I get off work in an hour or so.

So you're just going to lay down??

It's been concluded that Totse only runs a democratic process when it heavily favours the controlling party.

It's been concluded that fuck ups happen and it's easier to accept it was a fuck up and go along with whatever warped reasoning is laid out, if any, than to challenge it.

It's been concluded that despite something being good for a forum such as an avid, decent poster (please don't think I am so arrogant I always mean myself in these utterances) will not be rewarded with modship IF they are not personally liked, and changes no matter how small will not be made to a forum (such as no flaming/harrasment in Vogon only logical criticism or a sub-forum in GPP for the in-season sport) because it's easier to not risk trying something new and sit back and do nothing because it's working just fine as it is at the time than to try it.

It's clear that outside the largely irrelevant (compared to Totse's goal of sharing knowledge) social forums that posters are leaving because of lowering standards in discussion and content -- think 4 chan-styled musings and lack of maturity.

I have contested and involved myself in the Totse's working discussions and frankly it's peaked and finished up. Enjoy flogging a dead horse if you will because you're only restating facts that you already know will bring nothing to fruition.

I'm bored of that game and I'm going to enjoy what little I can get out of Totse while I still can. If things pick up, great. I don't see it happening and I can be involving myself in other forums and threads instead of wasting my time with this crap.

It's been concluded that despite something being good for a forum such as an avid, decent poster (please don't think I am so arrogant I always mean myself in these utterances) will not be rewarded with modship IF they are not personally liked, and changes no matter how small will not be made to a forum (such as no flaming/harrasment in Vogon only logical criticism or a sub-forum in GPP for the in-season sport) because it's easier to not risk trying something new and sit back and do nothing because it's working just fine as it is at the time than to try it.

If it was really true that if they do not like you that you will not get in, then we wouldn't be seeing moderators like BSK. Besides that, it's really just an old wives tale that they will not reward good contributors, however, there are still the three requirements that have to be met before that happens. For one, zok needs to believe that there is a need. Since he's never here, it's pretty well down to the super-moderators to let him know when and where one is needed and one is not. Interestingly enough, when Oddballz194 said one was needed, zok said he knew better - which seems in conflict with this correct assessment. Secondly, the current moderator or moderators of the board have to want the new mod in, or else they don't get in. It would be sloppy to push some noob in where he or she is not really wanted. Thirdly, one has to be a regular contributor to that forum. It's not like there will not be any more mods appointed, it's just that right now zok has his head in the clouds, and is not listening to the reason that many users have forwarded.

If it was really true that if they do not like you that you will not get in, then we wouldn't be seeing moderators like BSK.

Can't argue with that point.

Well, since TJ already has his mind made up, I guess I don't need to make a post. Anyways, I've come to the realization that it's all of ones own perspective. No use in trying to change it or talk about it.

Anyways, here is my last two cents. Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls. This is a website. Be it a website that we hold close in our hearts, it is merely that. A website. It's an amazing community full of people of all sorts. This place contains some of the best people in the world. It's just a website though. A place to sit back, relax and have a little fun. It should be nothing more than that. This place is here for enjoyment, knowledge and a little companionship. This place is still the same as it was years ago. Just perspectives have changed. Sure, there are ups and downs. People agree, and disagree like any other community in life, but it's still a website. There is nothing more or less to this place then there was 2,3, maybe even 4 years ago. People come and go. They bow out gracefully, or they go out with a bang. May it be that you care about this place too much, or just feels things aren't run right, you have your right to your own feeling and opinions. All I'm trying to get across is, it's just a website. If you aren't having any fun, why make things harder on your self?

Give all moderators privilages in SG.

Simple.


It's been tried. It was an utter failure.


So long as you had a say in things I'd never be a mod.

That's a quote from you that you said many times. You're so full of shit :D. Let me guess you never told them, but you made suggestions?

:rolleyes:.


You're tight, I did say that. But as it turned out I didn't need to, did it? The mod for Vogon was nominated, and selected well before I even knew there was an opening.

Again, get over it.


"Totse" doesn't care about its regulars spectral, the fact the regulars wouldn't be able to account for who did what isn't the issue. The issue is Meta and his goons wouldn't be able to tell who did what. Implying that they simply don't trust the mod team.


Pssst, hey buddy, don't look now, but your ignorance is showing..

I can look at any thread and tell you every bit of moderation that has been done to it and which mod did it.

Nice try, though.


Give it up: You're butthurt and everyone knows it. The more you try to pretend that isn't the case, the more pathetic you look.

Oh I know you don't agree, but you're about the only one who doesn't.

If it was really true that if they do not like you that you will not get in, then we wouldn't be seeing moderators like BSK. Besides that, it's really just an old wives tale that they will not reward good contributors...


Exactly that. There are a lot of good posters still on totse. Many more than there are openings for mods.

A person should not be making good posts because they want to be a mod, but because they want to be a good poster. Becoming a mod is not a bad thing to aspire to, but it should not be the end goal.

A person should not be making good posts because they want to be a mod, but because they want to be a good poster. Becoming a mod is not a bad thing to aspire to, but it should not be the end goal.I simply said that when a moderator is needed, good contributors should be considered first... nothing more, and nothing less. Of course, that's not at all the situation we have here, as you rightly know.

It's been concluded that Totse only runs a democratic process when it heavily favours the controlling party.

It's been concluded that fuck ups happen and it's easier to accept it was a fuck up and go along with whatever warped reasoning is laid out, if any, than to challenge it.

It's been concluded that despite something being good for a forum such as an avid, decent poster (please don't think I am so arrogant I always mean myself in these utterances) will not be rewarded with modship IF they are not personally liked, and changes no matter how small will not be made to a forum (such as no flaming/harrasment in Vogon only logical criticism or a sub-forum in GPP for the in-season sport) because it's easier to not risk trying something new and sit back and do nothing because it's working just fine as it is at the time than to try it.

It's clear that outside the largely irrelevant (compared to Totse's goal of sharing knowledge) social forums that posters are leaving because of lowering standards in discussion and content -- think 4 chan-styled musings and lack of maturity.

I have contested and involved myself in the Totse's working discussions and frankly it's peaked and finished up. Enjoy flogging a dead horse if you will because you're only restating facts that you already know will bring nothing to fruition.

I'm bored of that game and I'm going to enjoy what little I can get out of Totse while I still can. If things pick up, great. I don't see it happening and I can be involving myself in other forums and threads instead of wasting my time with this crap.




You sold me. I vote for this man!

With the ability to check on who moderates what, wouldn't an SGMasta-type account be a more viable option?

With the ability to check on who moderates what, wouldn't an SGMasta-type account be a more viable option?


I hadn't thought about that. That's right: SGMasta was in UBB days... That would take care of the accountability issue.

I guess the question would now be: Is it needed? When SGMasta was around we didn't have super mods either. SO maybe one alleviates the need for the other?

I'm not saying it is or isn't, just posing the question.

^Wouldn't it also give anonymity to mods to spam up SG whenever they want to...I mean, wasn't that the reason SGMasta was scratched to begin with?

^Wouldn't it also give anonymity to mods to spam up SG whenever they want to...I mean, wasn't that the reason SGMasta was scratched to begin with?


Oh yeah, I hadn't thought of that either. I was thinking now that we can see who does what to a thread..... Didn't think it all the way through.

I retract my previous post.

:D

I hadn't thought about that. That's right: SGMasta was in UBB days... That would take care of the accountability issue.

I don't see any need of it, but the option's always there.

Sigh, this is going to be the last post I make on this issue now, just to clear some things up. Also, I've come to a conclusion now Meta so perhaps you should get over it?

You're tight, I did say that. But as it turned out I didn't need to, did it? The mod for Vogon was nominated, and selected well before I even knew there was an opening.

Again, get over it.

If you wish I can show you the E-mails. KC came to me and asked if I was interested in modding Vogon almost an entire month before my ban. He came back to me and said Zok told him to find someone else due to "buercratic" issues so I suggested Gorloche to him, who he also approved and had thought of after.

He even stated in the fucking forum to everyone that I was his first choice, Gorloche second. Even Gorloche thought I'd be good for the forum in place of him but was willing to take the reigns and try. The mod nominated for Vogon was me. Zok has issues, you have issues or at least someone has issues with me and wanted someone else. Although I guess you are right in a sense, the mod was selected before you knew anything. Turning away nominations until someone you personally like or have no ills with is found hardly a way to select mods.

I still contribute to the forum and not being a mod is not a problem for me. Gorloche seems to want to take it in the same direction that I do so I don't see a real problem. My only issue is the way the whole thing was dealt with.


Pssst, hey buddy, don't look now, but your ignorance is showing..

I can look at any thread and tell you every bit of moderation that has been done to it and which mod did it.

Nice try, though.

Well, given I was talking in terms of having an overall account (See: SGMasta) I don't see what difference that makes unless you can also see who accessed the account. I wasn't exactly clear though, so fair enough. Although I wouldn't make a statement such if it was every mod in there, you could see it was them who made the changes anyway. There would be full accountability in that case. So not an issue.


A person should not be making good posts because they want to be a mod, but because they want to be a good poster. Becoming a mod is not a bad thing to aspire to, but it should not be the end goal.

No, it shouldn't be the end goal you're right.

Expolitz touched upon perspectives and this is what it boils down to. It's your perspective that I want to be a mod no matter what, so anything I post or do etc, is going to be seen by you in such a fashion as me trying to get there. How would someone who posts the same stuff as me, excluding joining in with these discussions and with no past history fare under fire?

........


I'll make it clear now because I want this over with:

IF I was going to be modded I'd only ever want to mod Vogon or OI, at this current time. Not because I want to be mod but because those are two of the forums I frequent and enjoy the most as evident by my posting habits in them. Whether I am modded or not so long as they don't turn to shit I'll always post in them.

I don't mind not being a mod anywhere. I do mind your perspective that I just want to mod therefore sideswipe all of my posts under the rug as petty efforts to get in. That's ignorance.

We've all acknowledged that I won't ever be a mod, or at least not anytime soon, so what is the issue here? I'll still continue to post as I always have. You can check back on my posts, I've always posted like this. More so now yes, but I've gotten older and prefer decent discussion to HB musings. Sue me. Why not ignore it and let me get on with posting if it's not going to hurt anyone?

In your eyes I'm making more effort in the other forums to produce good posts. Modded or not what is wrong with that? assuming that false notion is true: Nothing is wrong with it.

It's like someone who evades their ban but behaves after; you win.

Same in that case if it were true: I'm not going to be a mod but I post better threads and replies; everyone wins.

In everyone else's eyes I'm a halfway decent poster. Fucking get over it.

I'm a halfway decent poster.

You're a fully decent poster, TJ, not just "halfway-decent". Keep up the good work, man. ;)

If you wish I can show you the E-mails. KC came to me and asked if I was interested in modding Vogon almost an entire month before my ban. He came back to me and said Zok told him to find someone else due to "buercratic" issues so I suggested Gorloche to him, who he also approved and had thought of after.


So where in all of it does it say it was because of me that Zok did this? Yes, he likely heard my gripes. But if you think he based his decision entirely on that, then you don't give him enough credit.

You were no more passed up because of me than Euda was demodded because of me. It may have played a part, but only a part.

He even stated in the fucking forum to everyone that I was his first choice, Gorloche second.


You ain't the first first choice of a leaving mod to be passed over and you won't be the last.

My only issue is the way the whole thing was dealt with.

Then get over it. You case was not unique. You are not special.





No, it shouldn't be the end goal you're right. See? We can agree on something. Nothing is impossible...

Expolitz touched upon perspectives and this is what it boils down to. It's your perspective that I want to be a mod no matter what, so anything I post or do etc, is going to be seen by you in such a fashion as me trying to get there.

Not all of your threads. Just the ones that do show it. Like most of your threads in H&S. But then, everything is a matter of perception, one way or another, to some degree.


How would someone who posts the same stuff as me, excluding joining in with these discussions and with no past history fare under fire?

I'm confused. Was this you playing the martyr card or the 'pity me' card?

In your eyes I'm making more effort in the other forums to produce good posts. Modded or not what is wrong with that? assuming that false notion is true: Nothing is wrong with it.

Nothing wrong with it. Because I never said that making good posts was only done to become a mod. I was saying that becoming a mod shouldn't be the goal. And that is what you were making it sound like; that you expected to be a mod because you're a good poster.

It's like someone who evades their ban but behaves after; you win. Again we agree. Mountains shall now crumble because of it... I hope you're happy! :D


In everyone else's eyes I'm a halfway decent poster. Fucking get over it.


That implies that I don't think you're a good poster. I've never said that. And I'm not the one who has anything to get over or prove. Physician, heal thyself....

Everyone knows I should be the one and only, all powerful mod of SG.. and HB too


You'd be perfect for HB, a retard babysitting retards; now sg, that's a bit too much too soon for you.

Im down for any mod place!

Im down for any mod place!



Um no thank you.

He came back to me and said Zok told him to find someone else due to "buercratic" issues

Joe, beyond this third party message you discussed.....exactly what did Zok say to you about any of this directly? Obviously he didn't talk about his publicly on the boards, as he really doesn't talk about anything of any substance any more. But did you ever approach him via email, IRC, or somehow else?

Of all the inconsistencies among the Totse senior staff, Zok's arbitrarily deciding to respond to users is one thing we can always count on. Some users he helps, others he hinders, and many more he just ignores completely or walks away from in the middle of whatever issue. So what category did you fall into with him?

Joe, beyond this third party message you discussed.....exactly what did Zok say to you about any of this directly? Obviously he didn't talk about his publicly on the boards, as he really doesn't talk about anything of any substance any more. But did you ever approach him via email, IRC, or somehow else?

Of all the inconsistencies among the Totse senior staff, Zok's arbitrarily deciding to respond to users is one thing we can always count on. Some users he helps, others he hinders, and many more he just ignores completely or walks away from in the middle of whatever issue. So what category did you fall into with him?

I don't think he's replied to any of my e-mails in the last three years.

I don't think he's replied to any of my e-mails in the last three years.

By my maths that kinda blows up the whole nonsense of "you fucked it up because of the picture thingy" by about 2 1/2 years. And I wonder exactly how "bureaucrat" issues comes to be, just because someone had the gall to email an admin?

How exactly DOES Zok decide to ignore or act on the emails he receives? Was he so emotionally scarred as a kid for all of his social inadequacy, is this his way of "getting back" at the world by playing god with such a willy nilly approach? What is the ratio of his inbox anyhow........like ignored vs. responded?

Does one have a better chance of getting an email answered if it doesn't have a user specific monicker attached to it? Or is he not being discretionary on an email by email basis, instead its much broader based where Zok says....."Fuck it, I'm not answering any emails for the next 2 days I don't recognize. I'm just gonna click "delete" because I can and that makes me super cool in the process. And to all you kids who picked me last in kickball in the first grade.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH I told ya so!!!!!!!!1!111!"

Ya gotta love it folks......whether it's his supporters or detractors, Zok's inbox is the group communal joke around here for literally years. And people wonder why Totse is such shit and the community is dying, when contacting one of the admins is just some comical shtick for the fools circle jerking in IRC.

Booowhoow the admin didn't reply to my silly wee-mail. :(

Tommy Lund or The Vizier imo.