A pizza does not have to be dripping with cheese. It does not need an inch of cheese, it doesn't need a centimeter of cheese, it hardly even needs a millimeter. You lightly grate the cheese over the pizza until it is just covered, put it in the oven, and enjoy.

Pizza, at its core, is just bread and tomato sauce. And amazingly, you can add just about any meat or vegetable topping (and even fruit) and still have something that tastes good, and covers pretty much the entire food pyramid. How in the fuck did "pizza" become synonymous with "unhealthy"? Why would someone corrupt such a simple, healthy, filling dish by making it dripping with cheese and covered in grease?

Fuck the current state of pizza, and fuck people who like it.

MMMMmmmmmm greasy pizza. derdrache you jus reminded me that i have been craving greasy gooey pizza all day. i am off to casa de medici home of the $1 slice.

How in the fuck did "pizza" become synonymous with "unhealthy"?

The moment food-making became a business instead of an art.


*ObZ

didnt the original pizza margherita have cheese on it?

Whenever I make pizza, I don't even put cheese on it. Just sauce, green and red peppers, chili powder, red onions and chicken/beef.

Most take-out pizzas taste fantastic even if you pull the cheese off.

I appreciate both types of pizza. I make my own, with a little buffalo mozzarella, fresh tomato and basil, and it's fantastic.

However, the greasy pizza with 3 types of meat, 5 types of veg and 2 types of cheese on it is also delicious. That being said, my local pizza place doesn't put too much cheese on their pizzas...

I'm with you on this one. I don't get extra-extra cheese, nor do I understand the people who order such. I like a bit of cheese on my pizza, yes; enough to cover the thing evenly when melted. And make it a blend of cheeses! Mozzarella, asiago, romano, feta. Fuck I want a good pizza about now.

However, the greasy pizza with 3 types of meat, 5 types of veg and 2 types of cheese on it is also delicious.

Oxymoron. Grease is fucking disgusting.

Oxymoron. Grease is fucking disgusting.

Dontcha just love getting your grubby little paws on a big bucket of greasy fried chicken?

Too much of that processed to shit cheese most pizzas have on it makes the pizza taste too salty. Real, fresh mozzarella on a pizza is the best.

A few dobs of fresh mozzarella placed on a pizza is all you need. Not so much it covers the whole base, just parts of it. That with black olives, spinach,, sun dried tomatos, extra virgin olive oil and some green pesto shaken over on top is all you need.

Pizza is supposed to be light and fresh. Although I like the occasional slice of takeout pizza, I put that in a different category. I like being able to identify flavours and have some vibrance in my food.

Now I want pizza...

So the grease from pizza comes from the cheese then? I never really thought about it. I mean yeah, with the right ingredients pizza should be a healthy food, it's just baked shit.

I wonder if anyone ever tried frying a pizza...

Now I want pizza...

So the grease from pizza comes from the cheese then? I never really thought about it. I mean yeah, with the right ingredients pizza should be a healthy food, it's just baked shit.

I wonder if anyone ever tried frying a pizza...

Yeah, it's really common. Deep fried pizza. We've deep fried everything at somepoint I think.

I'd like to see deep fried M&M's.

I make vegan pizza at work all the time and everyone thinks I'm crazy :mad:

I agree with OP. I see the other fat fucks at work eating pizza dripping with cheese, pepperoni, and sausage. Fuck that...

The tomato sauce needs some seasonings. Straight up tomato sauce on a pizza just doesn't taste quite right.

DerDrache, what is your pizza recipe? I'd like to try making cheap pizza that is not frozen one day, on my new budget.

Zachary's pizza disproves your statement.

http://epicurious.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/03/18/jps_pizza_for_website_lq_sm_3.jpg

That looks like putrid slop. No thanks.

they put the sauce on top and the cheese underneath!

HOW WACKY IS THAT???? :EEK:

I wonder if anyone ever tried frying a pizza...

Pizzahut=fried pizza. That's why it's all soggy when they make it shitty, and perfectly crispy when they do it right.

Adding a liberal amount of oil to cover the bottom of the crust in the pizza pan is homemade pizzahut crust.

Pizzahut=fried pizza. That's why it's all soggy when they make it shitty, and perfectly crispy when they do it right.

Adding a liberal amount of oil to cover the bottom of the crust in the pizza pan is homemade pizzahut crust.More specifically, pizza hut deep pan pizza is fried with overkill amounts of oil. The perfecto and thins merely have some spray-on stuff. Dominos on the other hand uses a pastry brush for every base. Still all fried on the bottom though.

When in the mood for some homemade pizza, I'll make my own dough. It's not very complicated. I also like to make my own sauce. Usually, it consists of a small amount of tomato paste, to which I like to add chopped tomatoes, garlic, basil and red peppers. I'll smear that over the dough, and strategically place leaves of spinach on the sauce. I love to put prosciutto on my pizzas, and I don't like to add any other meats. Then, I'll just plop the raw pie onto its pan and shove it into the oven, and wait.

Then, as you sit in your chair, that unmistakable aroma of crisp dough catches your nose.

Presto!

Dominos on the other hand uses a pastry brush for every base. Still all fried on the bottom though.

You sure? I was pretty sure they just put them on round mesh things that they threw on the oven rack...

great.
now im craving pizza =/

You sure? I was pretty sure they just put them on round mesh things that they threw on the oven rack...Shouldve qualified that with "In Australia", sorry. And yes, I'm sure.

Now what's the deal with airplane peanuts??

I don't think I've ever had "real" pizza. I'd love to try it, but I'm not very good at cooking. Any restaurant chains that serve up some good pie?

Drache, for some reason I had a dream last night and your handle was worked into it somehow. Weird.

Der Drache for President! I totally agree, I've been saying this for years.

Friday night I was reminded of why I love pizza, I had a thin crust (obviously as it's the only kind you get here), with just a light topping of tomato, mozzarela (the real fresh type), olive oil, rucola (a green leaf salad) and a bit of sausage and olive oil on top.

The pizza was very light and wasn't greasy at all, the trick is putting a rational ammount of toppings, pizza chains just tend to load them with tons of sub-par quality ingredients, you could make five Italian pizzas with what Domino's uses for a single one.

I also like very much the simplier types like Marinara, which is just oilive oil, tomato and a bit of oregano or the classic Margherita, which is an amazingly light and digestible meal as long as there's a moderate quantity of cheese on it.

I posted this a while ago in a microwavable pizza thread.

This is enough for four thin crust pizzas

Dough:

Pizza Dough

1kg bread flour
2 sachets of dried yeast
30ml salt
30ml olive oil
a little extra virgin olive oil to finish

1.) Place the flour on the work surface, mix in the yeast and the salt and make a well in the middle. Pour the oil into the well together with 400ml of warm water (body temperature). Begin to kneed by gathering flour from the side of the inner wall of the well. Add more water (About 700-800ml in all) until thick dough forms.
2.) Knead for about 10 minutes and divide the dough into four balls. Place them into four greased bowls covered with a damp cloth (dish towel) and then leave them to rise in a warm place out of any drafts, until they have doubled in size, about 2 and a half hours.
3.) Lightly flour 4 square baking trays and heat the oven to its hottest temperature.
4.) Punch down one of the balls and stretch and roll it into a circle about 5mm thick. Leave a slightly thicker rim around the sides. Repeat with the other three balls and add your chosen toppings.
5.) Bake at 450 to 500 degrees F, until the edges turn a light brown colour. While still hot, brush the edges with the extra virgin olive oil.

Toppings:

Alla Marinara

Enough for two pizzas

350g of fresh tomatoes, peeled
60ml of extra virgin olive oil
10 ml garlic cloves, very finely sliced
10 ml dried oregano or 40 ml of fresh oregano
salt and ground black pepper

1.) Cut the tomatoes in half, squeeze out some of the juice and coarsely chop the flesh.
2.) Spread the tomatoes over the pizza dough bases (crusts), drizzle with the olive oil and sprinkle with the garlic, oregano, some salt and plenty of pepper.
3.) Cook as per the dough recipe.

Margherita

Enough for two pizzas

200g Mozzarella
67ml extra virgin olive oil
Salt and ground black pepper
500g ripe fresh tomatoes, seeded and chopped
12 fresh basil leaves
15 ml freshly grated parmesan cheese

1.) Grate the mozzarella coarsely into a bowl and add 30 ml of the olive oil and plenty of pepper. Leave to stand for 1 hour.
2.) Spread the mozzarella and the chopped tomatoes over the pizza dough bases (crusts), sprinkle with the basil leaves and parmesan, then drizzle with the remaining oil.
3.) Cook the dough as per the dough recipe.

I know that anybody can make these pizzas because I've walked people that have never cooked in their lives through the process. It might look like a lot, but it's not difficult and it's enough food to last for a fair while in the fridge.

I just had some mojos and a couple of beers.

Expensive, slow, but good.

I'm feeling fairly chilled out right now.

Fuck all y'all.

You know what? I like cheese.

It tastes good without overwhelming all your other ingredients (depending on which cheese you choose of course, but I'm assuming mozzarella here). And it holds all the other ingredients together so they don't fall off.

I'm not just talking about greasy take out pizza. When I make my own pizzas I load on the cheese. Why? Because it's fucking awesome that's why.

And considering I rarely eat cheese, (I try to stick to animal friendly, soy based alternatives) a few greasy slices (the grease is an indicator of good cheese by the way) isn't going to hurt.

:mad:

A pizza does not have to be dripping with cheese. It does not need an inch of cheese, it doesn't need a centimeter of cheese, it hardly even needs a millimeter. You lightly grate the cheese over the pizza until it is just covered, put it in the oven, and enjoy.

Pizza, at its core, is just bread and tomato sauce. And amazingly, you can add just about any meat or vegetable topping (and even fruit) and still have something that tastes good, and covers pretty much the entire food pyramid. How in the fuck did "pizza" become synonymous with "unhealthy"? Why would someone corrupt such a simple, healthy, filling dish by making it dripping with cheese and covered in grease?

Fuck the current state of pizza, and fuck people who like it.


Did a ball of mozzarella crawl up your ass or something? I'll give you that some people overdo it with the cheese, but pizza is supposed to have cheese.

It's like that because we Americans made it that way. Nobody gave a shit about pizza until we started covering them in lots of sweet, tangy sauce, cheese, and pepperoni.

And fuck you for being a close-minded, opinionated, holier than though pizza Nazi.

Here's the deal with pizza...

You don't know shit about it.

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Don't get me wrong. I love pretty much all pizza (with the exception of mushroom), whether it has practically no cheese, or way too much cheese, it's still awesome.

I'm not sure who, but someone once said 'Even pizza that sucks is still pretty fucking good.' I agree.

Your insistence that your preference is the 'right' way to have pizza is just ignorant and stupid, that's all.

And considering I rarely eat cheese, (I try to stick to animal friendly, soy based alternatives)Oh god. I really wish you idiots would just shut the fuck up. Instead of doing something sane (like watching where you get your cheese from), youre depriving yourself of a food you like, and for what? So you can shove absolute shit down your throat.

Oh god. I really wish you idiots would just shut the fuck up. Instead of doing something sane (like watching where you get your cheese from), youre depriving yourself of a food you like, and for what? So you can shove absolute shit down your throat.

Soy cheese is a much cheaper (and wayyyy healthier) alternative to driving around everywhere trying to find cruelty free cheese, which is usually quite expensive because of the quality. I'm fine with eating half the amount of cheese I used to if it saves a few cows. It's cheese, I can deal.

Soy cheese is a much cheaper (and wayyyy healthier) alternative to driving around everywhere trying to find cruelty free cheese, which is usually quite expensive because of the quality. I'm fine with eating half the amount of cheese I used to if it saves a few cows. It's cheese, I can deal.

Do you really think that your actions have affected how much cheese these companies produce? Unless you get a few million people to stop eating cow cheese, you might as well not bother.

Did a ball of mozzarella crawl up your ass or something? I'll give you that some people overdo it with the cheese, but pizza is supposed to have cheese.

It's like that because we Americans made it that way. Nobody gave a shit about pizza until we started covering them in lots of sweet, tangy sauce, cheese, and pepperoni.

And fuck you for being a close-minded, opinionated, holier than though pizza Nazi.

Here's the deal with pizza...

You don't know shit about it.

EDIT:
Don't get me wrong. I love pretty much all pizza (with the exception of mushroom), whether it has practically no cheese, or way too much cheese, it's still awesome.

I'm not sure who, but someone once said 'Even pizza that sucks is still pretty fucking good.' I agree.

Your insistence that your preference is the 'right' way to have pizza is just ignorant and stupid, that's all.

Pizza Nazi has a nice ring to it.

Anyways, I don't really give a shit what people put on their pizzas. My point was that it could be a healthy, tastier food, yet people insist on producing and eating these fucking grease pies. People could eat traditional pizza every day without hurting their health, but they just gotta have that thick layer of cheese and grease.

...if it saves a few cows. It's cheese, I can deal.

Well actually, they need to keep the cows alive and happy so they keep producing milk for cheese. By not eating cheese you are killing poor innocent cows.

Do you really think that your actions have affected how much cheese these companies produce? Unless you get a few million people to stop eating cow cheese, you might as well not bother.

Actually, by cutting my cheese (and other dairy intake, of course) down by more then half, there's several pounds of dairy products not being bought for grocery stores. That means there's less demand, so the stores order less in. Less demand means less is made. It takes time, but it's not like my efforts are doing totally nothing. And even if it was doing nothing I still wouldn't eat it, I don't feel right eating something that some poor non-consenting animal had to suffer to make.

And actually, there are a few million vegans/vegetarians out there so ya we are making a difference Dirt Rash.

Actually, by cutting my cheese (and other dairy intake, of course) down by more then half, there's several pounds of dairy products not being bought for grocery stores. That means there's less demand, so the stores order less in. Less demand means less is made. It takes time, but it's not like my efforts are doing totally nothing. And even if it was doing nothing I still wouldn't eat it, I don't feel right eating something that some poor non-consenting animal had to suffer to make.

By not buying cheese, you do not change the demand at all, and thus have no effect on anything. Unless you're going to abandon cheese with a group of people, your grocery store's cheese-demand will not change at all, and you won't spare a single cow any suffering at all.

Go big or don't go at all, in other words.


And actually, there are a few million vegans/vegetarians out there so ya we are making a difference Dirt Rash.

A difference, haha. Yeah, collectively you guys are reducing the demand a little bit, but the amount of difference you've made is like...saving one tree in an entire rainforest.

Meat-eating animals eat other animals. It's the circle of life. Grow a pair and enjoy your steak.

Reducing the demand for meat means that "oh we only gonna slaughter 500 cows this week, as opposed to 600." But those 100 cows are not saved and whisked off to a magical cow nature preserve, they're just slaughtered the following week with the next batch. That's why I don't get vegetarians who do it for those reasons. Or like if there's a plate of food already prepared at some party, something with meat in it, and they're like "no I can't eat that. I'm a vegetarian." Yeah well it's already dead and cooked so if you don't eat it, the rest of us will. What difference does it make?

I hate that people don't understand that vegetarians aren't morally perfect.

We think torturing and slaughtering animals is unnecessary, so we don't participate. And people give us shit for it.

And if you think millions of people boycotting the meat industry does absolutely nothing, you're retarded.

Soy cheese is a much cheaper (and wayyyy healthier) alternative to driving around everywhere trying to find cruelty free cheese, which is usually quite expensive because of the quality. I'm fine with eating half the amount of cheese I used to if it saves a few cows. It's cheese, I can deal.Soy cheese may be cheap, but that would be because its shit. You (http://www.utne.com/2007-07-01/TheDarkSideofSoy.aspx) are (http://www.healingcrow.com/soy/soy.html) wrong (http://www.mothering.com/articles/growing_child/food/soy_story.html). And if it would really cost you that much fuel, for gods sake get a smaller car and discover the internet.

On the one hand youre fine with eating less cheese, and on the other you dont like the idea of better quality stuff. Even if cheese production was inherently harmful to cows (which its not), youre valuing the health of cattle over your own. Thats not noble - its just stupid.

I hate that people don't understand that vegetarians aren't morally perfect.

We think torturing and slaughtering animals is unnecessary, so we don't participate. And people give us shit for it.

And if you think millions of people boycotting the meat industry does absolutely nothing, you're retarded.We give you shit because youre following a flawed theory. Those animals will be killed one way or another, and we at least can do it more humanely then most other predators. Boycotting meat will likely put more pressue on the farmers doing things right before the ones doing feedlot shit, due to economics. Not to mention the health aspects. A bit counterproductive, eh?


Moving along... My biggest problem with pizza is the grain-based base. Its a pity, because I like pizza.

Moving along... My biggest problem with pizza is the grain-based base. Its a pity, because I like pizza.

What do you mean? You don't like bread or something? :eek:

What do you mean? You don't like bread or something? :eek:No, I like bread fine. I would just prefer it out of my diet for health reasons (I'd like to follow a roughly paleo style diet), and non-grain flours tend to be rather expensive.

you're valuing the health of cattle over your own. That's not noble - its just stupid

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Though some 800 million people on the planet now suffer from hunger or malnutrition, the majority of corn and soy grown in the world feeds cattle, pigs and chickens. This despite the inherent inefficiencies: about two to five times more grain is required to produce the same amount of calories through livestock as through direct grain consumption

Growing meat (it’s hard to use the word “raising” when applied to animals in factory farms) uses so many resources that it’s a challenge to enumerate them all. But consider: an estimated 30 percent of the earth’s ice-free land is directly or indirectly involved in livestock production, according to the United Nation’s Food and Agriculture Organization, which also estimates that livestock production generates nearly a fifth of the world’s greenhouse gases — more than transportation.

Agriculture in the United States — much of which now serves the demand for meat — contributes to nearly three-quarters of all water-quality problems in the nation’s rivers and streams, according to the Environmental Protection Agency.

What part of the dairy industry is cruel to cows? The cows need to be fucking milked. Imagine having a bulging bladder, and not being able to piss. People who are vegetarians for health reasons are fine by me, but people who have a problem with humans (who are, in fact, on top of the fucking food chain) eating meat are morons. Humans rose to the top of the food chain for a reason. The natural order of things is for us to eat animals. We are part of a natural cycle. If no humans ate meat, the animals would overrun everything, grazing until all vegetation is gone. Our natural part in the chain is to keep the populations of animals in check. I'm all for livestock being treated ethically, but that doesn't go as far as treating them as if they have intelligence or dignity. I recently read that PETA has suggested humans start milking women and using that for dairy products, because milking is humiliating to cows. COWS DON"Y HAVE ANY FUCKING HUMILITY. Besides that, what about all the hormones they'd have to pump women full of in order to keep them lactating all the time? Way bigger health concern with that than for the poor cows.

Wow, I got off topic quick.

Anyways, pizza is good.

/RANT

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Though some 800 million people on the planet now suffer from hunger or malnutrition, the majority of corn and soy grown in the world feeds cattle, pigs and chickens. This despite the inherent inefficiencies: about two to five times more grain is required to produce the same amount of calories through livestock as through direct grain consumption
Growing meat (it’s hard to use the word “raising” when applied to animals in factory farms) uses so many resources that it’s a challenge to enumerate them all. But consider: an estimated 30 percent of the earth’s ice-free land is directly or indirectly involved in livestock production, according to the United Nation’s Food and Agriculture Organization, which also estimates that livestock production generates nearly a fifth of the world’s greenhouse gases — more than transportation.
Agriculture in the United States — much of which now serves the demand for meat — contributes to nearly three-quarters of all water-quality problems in the nation’s rivers and streams, according to the Environmental Protection Agency.Ick. The phrase "doing it wrong" comes to mind. Grain should not be fed to cattle, and I have my doubts about feeding it to pigs as well. I've already expressed my hate of factory "farming". Its also probably a rather bad idea to rely so much on only a few kinds of meat, especially considering environmental concerns.

Its kind of amazing, really, when you consider how much effort goes into getting rid of nuclear waste, and apparently not animal shit.