So, after dealing with monitoring your communications/email/etc with soem program probably like CARNIVORE, or confiscating your computer hardware, or even making up new BS moralist laws in the UK, now the police can install keyloggers or try to phish your shit

also lol

Hacking – known as "remote searching" – has been quietly adopted by police across Britain following the development of technology to access computers' contents at a distance. Police say it is vital for tracking cyber-criminals and paedophiles and is used sparingly but civil liberties groups fear it is about to be vastly expanded.

Wait...so they're going to track down the guys and send them an email with a trojan to get all their shit..I don't think a hacker, especially if it's used rarely (ie guy who vandalizes shitloads of sites for vengeance or whatnot).


Remote searching can be achieved by sending an email containing a virus to a suspect's computer which then transmits information about email contents and web-browsing habits to a distant surveillance team.


If they're going after 'cyber-criminals' I hope those "criminals" know not to open attached files from random people. And hopefully the anti-virus detects this. I wonder if the police is making their own virii or simply ripping them off the warez community?

Alternatively, "key-logging" devices can be inserted into a computer that relay details of each key hit by its owner.

There are hardware keyloggers as well...so the PartyV& could break into your house to install them, possibly....:wtf:

Detectives can also monitor the contents of a suspect's computer hard-drive via a wireless network.


for those in the UK: how does it feel to have the damn government able to browse where your move your files or what format they are or what programs you use.

link:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/technology-gadgets/police-given-new-powers-to-hack-your-pc-14128782.html

Get out the UK while you still can. This country is going down the drain and most people are too stupid or too ingnorant to care.

It makes me despondent to think that so many people in this country expect the government to protect them from the consequences of their own decisions. In my book, the principal of helping those who through no fault of their own are not in a position to adequately look after themselves is a-OK; removing the general population from the accountability of their actions is not. I suppose that's not a criticism specific to this thread, more of the Big Mother state in general. It's a sad reflection on our society when the biggest threat to the freedom of the British populace is not a fanatical religious extremist with millions of followers and untold wealth and illegal weapons but a squishy faced woman with a "Home Secretary" name badge.

Part of me wants the labour government out ASAP so we can reverse many of their policies, but there is another part of me that wants them to stay and continue with their erosion of civil liberties. On the surface this may sound strange, but I have my reasons for saying it. Simply electing another party which will reverse these nanny-state policies will not solve the underlying problem: people too apathetic/cowardly/uninformed to take action while their freedom is being eroded. There is part of me that wishes for the slide to continue until the majority of the population actively displays their feelings. I suppose you could argue that electing another party is effectively an embodiment of this statement, but I have a feeling that the reasons behind the electing of another party will have more to do with immigration, foreign policy and the sheer fact that Labour have been in since 1997 and people are bored of them than civil liberties (unless of course a single-issue Libertarian-leaning party is elected, but frankly that isn't going to happen). If we simply let another political party do all the work for us then the problem of people being removed the consequences of their actions and people expecting/ relying on the government to do things for them won't have been solved.

As for this recent issue you've highlighted, it neither surprises nor angers me. When the majority of people are too apathetic/cowardly/uninformed to campaign against (or even be aware of) these things, they deserve every ounce of fetid faeces that lands on their faces. In the mean time the rest of us will have to set about developing avoidance techniques ;).

The crazy thing is that SWF is socialist, thus he inherently grants the government the very powers he alerts us against.
What are you hoping for, that this election we magically elect incorruptible people? What about next election? or the next?

The crazy thing is that SWF is socialist, thus he inherently grants the government the very powers he alerts us against.

there's a difference between government regulation in business to advocate equality and oppose class inequity and manipulation by the ruling class, and the government meddling in your personal life or making moralist bullshit laws. Socialism is an economic position. I still hold most of my original social positions, which is liberation of the pariah groups of society to form a power block/alliance to oppose the mainstream views forced on them and force a balance of power.


What are you hoping for, that this election we magically elect incorruptible people? What about next election? or the next?I'm hoping (in the US) Obama doesn't suck mainstream cock, but given him pandering to society by wanking about his wife and daughters and all that bullshit I don't give a shit but he does it out of tradition, but he advocates change! Change my ass he's going through all the bullshit social motions! I want him to advocate liberation of the fringe and pariah movements, as well as other groups who are suppressed in the society!

And Obama's talking about the dog he will get for his daughters on national TV and CNN airs it and people talk about it in some social chit-chat....how does this deal with his policies again?

In the mean time the rest of us will have to set about developing avoidance techniques ;).

Install Tor and host any sites in the US, or better yet, in the Netherlands or, best case scenario, Russia

there's a difference between government regulation in business to advocate equality and oppose class inequity and manipulation by the ruling class, and the government meddling in your personal life or making moralist bullshit laws. Socialism is an economic position. I still hold most of my original social positions, which is liberation of the pariah groups of society to form a power block/alliance to oppose the mainstream views forced on them and force a balance of power.


Economic equality is bullshit moralist law.
Also, name one corporation more dangerous than the US government. Neither Nike nor wal-mart nor KBR will lock me up and scar me for life for smoking a blunt. Blackwater might, but only if the US hires them to do so.

Why then, should I fear an economic monopoly when the fact that a government can have a monopoly on morality is a much bigger threat?

I'm not shitting on your pariah groups, I'm just looking for consistency here. economic and moral freedom are not mutually exclusive. Give this a listen if you find yourself stumped a little: http://www.freedomainradio.com/Traffic_Jams/stateless_society_take_2_320.mp3

It's going to get to the stage that there isn't even going to be a realistic possibility of a revolution there.
Airstrip one indeed.

The crazy thing is that SWF is socialist, thus he inherently grants the government the very powers he alerts us against.
What are you hoping for, that this election we magically elect incorruptible people? What about next election? or the next?

None of what you've said is an argument against socialist principals, but of the the failure to implement an adequate form of democracy. When this is absent, the society supporting the government is inherently destined to be an abominable mess. Democracy in the UK is broken, partially due to some faults in the system (ability to use statuary instruments to implement fairly wide ranging policies without going through Parliament for example) but primarily due to the absence of the one factor democracy relies on: an informed, motivated, active and empowered voter base. Without this in place any economic system is doomed because the people with power (be they members of a socialist government or of the board of capitalist corporation) are in functional terms unaccountable to the people. For socialism to work state education needs to focus on the goal of the majority of people leaving school with both the skills to support themselves without the hand of the government and the motivation to use them.

None of what you've said is an argument against socialist principals, but of the the failure to implement an adequate form of democracy. When this is absent, the society supporting the government is inherently destined to be an abominable mess. Democracy in the UK is broken, partially due to some faults in the system (ability to use statuary instruments to implement fairly wide ranging policies without going through Parliament for example) but primarily due to the absence of the one factor democracy relies on: an informed, motivated, active and empowered voter base. Without this in place any economic system is doomed because the people with power (be they members of a socialist government or of the board of capitalist corporation) are in functional terms unaccountable to the people. For socialism to work state education needs to focus on the goal of the majority of people leaving school with both the skills to support themselves without the hand of the government and the motivation to use them.

Don't forget the role of the electoral system.
If there was some form of proportional representation, the Liberal Democrats would have held the balance of power in the commons after the 2005 election. Even under a simple system of preference voting the same thing would probably have occurred in that particular election.
Seriously - how fucked up is it that Labour got 35.3% of the vote but 55.2% of the seats???
nearly two thirds of the country voted for parties other than Labour, but labour forms government.
I understand why that happened of course, but the fact that outcomes like that are coming about is fair indication that the electoral system isn't a good fit with the actual circumstances party wise in the country.

Anonimity > Safety :rolleyes: but we all know what's really going on here.

I truly worry about the direction the country is going in. You can compare the things happening in the UK with what happened in Eastern Germany. The fact our conversations can be monitored, we can be arrested for peaceful protest, media that spouts vague facts and figures because of a wish to prevent offence with minority groups.

Freedom of speach is that anyone can say anything, no matter how insulting, untrue or against the mass view. Their views would be countered by the truth. This no longer happens in the UK. If your views are extreme or agains the ruling party you are denied the right to voice them e.g. the BNP, peaceful protest outside parliament.

I truly worry about the direction the country is going in. You can compare the things happening in the UK with what happened in Eastern Germany. The fact our conversations can be monitored, we can be arrested for peaceful protest, media that spouts vague facts and figures because of a wish to prevent offence with minority groups.

Freedom of speach is that anyone can say anything, no matter how insulting, untrue or against the mass view. Their views would be countered by the truth. This no longer happens in the UK. If your views are extreme or agains the ruling party you are denied the right to voice them e.g. the BNP, peaceful protest outside parliament.

What's pretty funny is that while wanting an open discussion of the issues surrounding immigration is liable to get you shouted down as a racist, it's quite okay for people to openly support hamas.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=V3D8F-2Iujk

Not that I disagree with you on free speech, its just that it's funny to see how fucked up the UK governments priorities are.
I would have thought they'd be more paranoid about terrorism than rednecks.

Economic equality is bullshit moralist law.

lol


Also, name one corporation more dangerous than the US government.Wal-Mart.

Neither Nike nor wal-mart nor KBR will lock me up and scar me for life for smoking a blunt. Blackwater might, but only if the US hires them to do so.
But Wal-Mart will intentionally build factories in less-developed areas, economically exploit them, and if the people unionize or organize, Wal-Mart comes in and sends in thugs to beat/kill them, US and other Coporations have a reputation for manipulating governments. Heard of the term "Banana Republic"? Corporations can manage and manipulate governments to do the killing. Or there can be a marger of corporate and government power due to lobbyists, among other manipulative social/political games bullshit.

Or you instead get poisoned due to what they dump inot the water, etc. corporations can be just as dangerous as governments, if not so; given the purpose of corporations is to make money. In the West, you can at least use the social contract and other philsophies to try to make the government "serve the people"

The idea of something like the Umbrella Corporation or Weyland-Yutani is not far off.

[qoute]Why then, should I fear an economic monopoly when the fact that a government can have a monopoly on morality is a much bigger threat?[/quote]

Because the government can be controlled by the people, and it can be more direct; depending on your political idea (local soviets, autogestion, etc). Government can be reformed to break bullshit two-party systems and all that.

Also the economic monopoly can contribute to the problems regarding governments. Both are connected and you're trying to separate one from the other.

I'm not shitting on your pariah groups,You calling me "assburger" and trolling my threads show otherwise. Care to explain you behavior and bullshit excuses?

I'm just looking for consistency here. economic and moral freedom are not mutually exclusive. Give this a listen if you find yourself stumped a little: http://www.freedomainradio.com/Traffic_Jams/stateless_society_take_2_320.mp3I watched it, but I do believe governments can be reformed by the people....or a revolution is needed (and that's understandable too, I don't blame those).

I should also note regarding the examples of doctors, etc the alternative is private or corporations....which aren't exactly the best, given the loopholes they pull.

And they seem to advocate and talk about the family and all that other bullshit as being better social bonds...lol. The family and other bonds in small towns is just as fucked up because you're restricted...+1 for big cities.

EDIT: also lol. This reminds me of the Heinlein book The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, AND the Probability Broach comics (private mediators and jobs). Personally I can understand the idea of deregulation in some places, but I don't exactly trust corporations on the other hand. Anarcho-Communism and Anarcho-Syndicalism is better regarding this than the Libertarians and Anarcho-Capitalists. eh.

Also, states can allow alternative governments to form up and happen. Freetown Christianita is an example of that, as well as the Federacy system where some regions are given significantly more self-determination. Don't forget things like plebiscites and referendums. States can be forced to allow this (depending on the state type, I admit)

Fuck da powlice

Fuck the police (4X)


Police, open now. We have a warrant for Eazy-E's arrest.
Get down and put your hands up where I can see em.
Just shut the fuck up and get your muthafuckin ass on the floor.
[huh?]>


and tell the jury how you feel abou this bullshit.>

I'm tired of the muthafuckin jackin
Sweatin my gang while I'm chillin in the shackin
Shining tha light in my face, and for what
Maybe it's because I kick so much butt

I kick ass, or maybe cuz I blast
On a stupid assed nigga when I'm playin with the trigga
Of any Uzi or an AK
Cuz the police always got somethin stupid to say

They put up my picture with silence
Cuz my identity by itself causes violence
The E with the criminal behavior
Yeah, I'm a gansta, but still I got flavor

Without a gun and a badge, what do ya got?
A sucka in a uniform waitin to get shot,
By me, or another nigga.
and with a gat it don't matter if he's smarter or bigger
[MC Ren: Sidle him, kid, he's from the old school, fool]

And as you all know, E's here to rule
Whenever I'm rollin, keep lookin in the mirror
And there's no cue, yo, so I can hear a
Dumb muthafucka with a gun

And if I'm rollin off the 8, he'll be tha one
That I take out, and then get away
And while I'm drivin off laughin
This is what I'll say

Fuck the police (4X)

Fiddy fiddy cent y'all

am gangsta n ting dont mess wiv me nigga imma fux u up aiight

Fuck da powlice

good answer :D