Seriously wtf how is torturing TERRORISTS such a big fukin deal?? The same people who if they could, would want every single non muslim in the western world tortured to death...

It makes me sick that , that fucking muslim nigger obama is shutting down the prison to torture them and than this bullshit

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090115/wl_afp/usattacksguantanamotorture


fuck obama and fuck the pussys who oppose torture

I think the biggest problem is that it generally doesn't work. You can get anyone to admit to anything if you torture them enough.

Seriously wtf how is torturing TERRORISTS such a big fukin deal?? The same people who if they could, would want every single non muslim in the western world tortured to death...

It makes me sick that , that fucking muslim nigger obama is shutting down the prison to torture them and than this bullshit

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090115/wl_afp/usattacksguantanamotorture


fuck obama and fuck the pussys who oppose torture

Camp Delta is just another case of Bush trying to be a dictator with pure disregard for the laws and rights that has made the US the great country it was before W as president and will be again after he is tried for his crimes while president. Too bad you are so un-American also. buddy.

Read On

Washington - The US Supreme Court on Thursday ruled that President George W Bush's plan to try Guantanamo detainees are illegal under US law and the Geneva Conventions.

The case was brought by Salim Ahmed Hamdan, Osama bin Laden's alleged bodyguard and driver who has been held at Guantanamo for more than four years. Hamdan has been charged with conspiracy in the military tribunals ordered by Bush five years ago.

The high court's 5-3 decision means that Bush administration will have to re-evaluate its prosecution of 10 detainees held at the controversial prison camp in Cuba.

'The military commission at issue is not expressly authorized by any congressional act,' Justice John Paul Stevens wrote for the majority. The tribunals 'must be understood to incorporate at least the barest of those trial protections that have been recognized by customary international law.'

'In undertaking to try Hamdan and subject him to criminal punishment, the (Bush administration) is bound to comply with the rule of law that prevails in this jurisdiction,' Stevens said, according to CNN.

Hamdan's US military appointed attorney, Lieutenant Commander Charles Swift, said he was prepared to defend his client in a court martial or civilian court now that the tribunals have been defeated. Hamdan has been charged with one count of conspiracy.

'All we wanted is a fair trial and we thank the Supreme Court for ensuring Mr Hamdan will get one,' Swift told reporters on the court's steps.

He called the ruling a 'rebuke of the process' that upheld America's 'fundamental values.' 'We can't be scared out of who we are.'

The court favoured Hamdan's argument that Bush did not have the authority to order the tribunals. Two years ago the court also ruled against the Bush administration, saying detainees cannot be held indefinitely without access to federal courts.

There are about 460 prisoners held at Guantanamo who have not been granted 'prisoner of war' status under the Geneva Conventions. Instead, the Bush administration has dubbed them 'unlawful combatants' to circumvent international obligations.

The ruling is likely to fuel growing international pressure on Bush to shut down the facility opened to hold detainees captured in Afghanistan. Close US allies and the United Nations have called for the shutting of the prison facility known as Camp Delta.

Bush has said he would like to close Guantanamo as well and his government was making arrangements to repatriate many of the captives, but that there were some still determined to carry out worldwide attacks who were too dangerous to release.

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/usa/news/article_1176596.php/Supreme_Court_shoots_down_Guantanamo_military_trib unals__Roundup_


And evidence obtained through torture is suspect and is not allowed to be presented in a court of law or a military tribunal. Which should be another black page in the legacy that Bush leaves as he leaves office.

http://crooksandliars.com/silentpatriot/penatgon-official-admits-911-suspect

Pentagon official admits 9/11 suspect was tortured
By SilentPatriot Wednesday Jan 14, 2009 11:00am

Bob Woodward scoops another one, this time getting a top Pentagon official to admit, on record, that the United States did indeed torture Mohammed al-Qahtani, a Saudi who allegedly "hoped" to become part of the 9/11 attack.

The Age:

THE official in charge of the military commission process at Guantanamo Bay has become the first senior Bush Administration figure to publicly admit that a detainee was tortured.

Judge Susan Crawford, who was in charge of deciding whether to bring Guantanamo Bay detainees — beginning with Australian David Hicks — to trial, has concluded that the US military tortured a Saudi Arabian who allegedly planned to take part in the September 11, 2001, attacks.

She said Mohammed al-Qahtani was interrogated with techniques that included sustained isolation, sleep deprivation, public nudity and prolonged exposure to cold, leaving him in a "life-threatening condition".

"We tortured Qahtani," Judge Crawford said in her first interview since her appointment by Defence Secretary Robert Gates in February 2007. "His treatment met the legal definition of torture. And that's why I did not refer the case (for prosecution)."

Take special note of that last part. This is exactly why torture is counterproductive. Not only is it morally reprehensible and of dubious efficacy, it ends up prohibiting us from prosecuting these criminals the real American way.

The GWOT really is a "war of ideas." When we torture and imprison indefinitely those those seek to attack us, we drag ourselves down to their level, all the while showing the world that we don't really stand for what we say we do. This is George Bush's true legacy. He and his cronies may be running around trying to convince you otherwise. But I know you're all smart enough to know better.

Seriously wtf how is torturing TERRORISTS such a big fukin deal?? The same people who if they could, would want every single non muslim in the western world tortured to death...

It makes me sick that , that fucking muslim nigger obama is shutting down the prison to torture them and than this bullshit

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090115/wl_afp/usattacksguantanamotorture


fuck obama and fuck the pussys who oppose torture

1: Torture provides unreliable information.
2: How would YOU like to be tortured, and what would you tell your captors?
3: It is against basic human rights.
4: There are only a handful of people we know for fact that are terrorists: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/11/AR2005061100381.html

Even though it's a4 year old article, nothing has changed. The "evidence" wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of netting a conviction, even according to prosecutors: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/13/AR2009011302888.html

No matter what they want to do to you, no one is above the law. Law and empathy is what separates us from animals.

1: Torture provides unreliable information.
2: How would YOU like to be tortured, and what would you tell your captors?
3: It is against basic human rights.
4: There are only a handful of people we know for fact that are terrorists:.

5: YOU also could be labeled as a domestic terrorist and tortured.

I came back after a while just to see how the quality of the debates continue to deteriorate. See how the OP capitalize the world terrorist, clearly showing how this concept has been tattooed into his brain up to the point that he will not hesitate in giving up his own rights to help fighting "the terrorists".

I came back after a while just to see how the quality of the debates continue to deteriorate. See how the OP capitalize the world terrorist, clearly showing how this concept has been tattooed into his brain up to the point that he will not hesitate in giving up his own rights to help fighting "the terrorists".

You happen to have clicked on a rather disappointing argument. Don't take this as reflecting on Politics.

OP, people under torture admit anything. And thanks to Bush's draconian measures for national security, he can label whoever he deems a terrorist and ship them of to torture.

Torture is bullshit. It for one doesn't work, and I don't think has ever worked. Anyone getting tortured, back from the witch hunts of the Salem witch trials, to the Spanish Inquisition, to today's waterboarding, have admitted to things that were obviously not true (or possible, i.e. witchcraft). Torture makes you say anything and as such should not be a form of anything, let alone interrogation. Fuck you OP, I'd like to see your ass get tortured just because you disagree with the current administration.

I've got no problem with torturing terrorists. Use castration, the whole works.

The problem comes down to identifying who is a terrorist in the first place, and that's when I have a problem with torture.

OP, people under torture admit anything. And thanks to Bush's draconian measures for national security, he can label whoever he deems a terrorist and ship them of to torture.

I hear this same argument used all the time, often by people who think Bush is an evil horrible man (I don't mean to assume you do, but often those two positions follow each other). But if Bush is such an evil horrible man, and anyone can be labeled as a terrorist now, then why have we only "tortured" 3 people? And those 3 people were most certainly terrorists no matter how you look at it, not only were they terrorists, they were high up, knowledgeable masterminds.

^ Do tell me, exactly who is telling you how many people he's tortured?

Patton will not be considered a troll.

So you are saying that incarcerating a 14 year old for 7 years is not torture? A 14 year old who was never shown to be guilty of any crime? Do you support this type of treatment by Bush and his cronies? Or can you admit the truth here and say it was another mistake by the Bush?

Judge Orders Gitmo Detainee, Held Since Age 14, Freed
By Cernig Thursday Jan 15, 2009 5:45pm



Via Larisa, yet another detainee ordered released after the real judicial system, rather than Bush's kangaroo courts, examines the evidence against him.

It is the second time that U.S. District Judge Richard J. Leon has ordered the release of a detainee after examining government evidence, most of it classified. Leon said that the Justice Department failed to prove that Mohammed El Gharani, 21, is an enemy combatant because it relied heavily on statements made by two other detainees whose credibility is questionable.

A mosaic of tiles this murky reveals nothing about this petitioner with sufficient clarity" to justify his detention, Leon ruled.

Gharani, a citizen of Chad, was picked up in Pakistan and turned over to the United States in 2002. Since then, he has been held at Guantanamo Bay.

Among the ridiculous claims made was that Gharani had been a member of a London al Qaida cell. At the time, he was aged 11 and living in Saudi Arabia - an accusation based entirely upon statements made by other camp detainees which were not proven true by US investigators, just believed.

He was illegally seized in Pakistan aged 14 and is now 21.

http://crooksandliars.com/cernig/judge-orders-gitmo-detainee-held-age-14-fre

The treatment of this man falls outside the principles that the USA is known for. "Liberty and justice for all." An sworn oath that loses meaning when those who state it, like true Americans, are so eager to ignore it at the behest of their leaders, who are sworn to uphold the principles that are the bases for those words.

^ Do tell me, exactly who is telling you how many people he's tortured?