They cheapen the atmosphere. They should be put somewhere less prominent.

Buddy,
If you want a cheaper atmosphere then you can go to stormfront. There you will find all of the moderation you want. Also, you will find all of the anti-White Revolution bs you want.

That is pretty inaccurate. I have recently found the Stormfront forum, and I have yet to see anything anti-White Revolution.

I do have a question for you. Why does this site focus so much negative energy on criticism towards the National Alliance and Stormfront members? Is this a representation of White Revolution and Panzerfaust? Considering the banners of course.
There are those of us out here that are not currently members of any organization, but have not dismissed the thought. I personally would be more attracted to a group that doesn't partake in that type of activism.

I find it funny that people that post on SF still find the time to trash it.

If you don't like it, don't go there.

WR and PF are buddies....the two are going to be inseparable for a long time, kind of like a Mexican and a taco. ;)

...Why does this site focus so much negative energy on criticism towards the National Alliance and Stormfront members? Is this a representation of White Revolution and Panzerfaust? Considering the banners of course.
There are those of us out here that are not currently members of any organization, but have not dismissed the thought. I personally would be more attracted to a group that doesn't partake in that type of activism.

I saw the most recent NA Members BULLETIN a few days ago. For some members, especially those without modems, this small, monthly internal bulletin provides the only updates they receive on Alliance progress and goings on. In this last one I noticed that Chairman Erich Gliebee talked to his members about ongoing attacks against the Alliance from "Cointelpro-types" who pretend to be on our side, but aren't. He talked about how "evil" these people are to tell so many awful lies about him and his inner circle.

I haven't visited StormFront since early in 1986 when I first went on-line. It was about the only racist site around back then. It's clear that StormFront is now allied with the National Alliance and the other right-wing conservative, mostly Xian groups represented at the American Renaissance conference in late February. I'm told that SF has mostly NA moderators now and that they do not allow criticism of NA -- what you call "negative energy" -- so where does one go -- especially an Alliance member -- to find out why the entire National Office staff of 16 people that was in place when Gliebe took the reins has been run off or fired since then, not to mention the entire Board of Directors that Dr. Pierce appointed and to which he entrusted the future of the National Alliance? Should the BoD and the carefully chosen staff ALL be considered "evil" or government "Cointelpro-type" provocateurs because Gliebe says they are in the Alliance BULLETIN?

MsVinland, you can chose to believe whomever you want to believe, either Gliebe and Co. or his detractors, but you should try to seek out both sides of an issue and get to know the players rather than just get one side as many current Alliance members do. If you want a good understanding of what's going on with Gliebe's "Cointelpro-type," "evil" detractors, take a couple of hours to read the very long thread on this forum entitled "Erich Gliebe." You'll find a link to Jerry Abbott's "jabpage" and his legal analysis in "The Decline of the National Alliance." This expose reveals in detail the hijacking of the National Alliance by Gliebe & crew, point by point, from the Board of Directors to which he was accountable.

One thing you'll notice about the VNN Forum, unlike at the SF board, apparently, is that ALL sides can join in on a hot conversation should they choose. Gliebe and his defenders are conspicuously absent here. You'll see criticism of everyone here, including Panzerfaust, WR, even Alex Linder, our host.

I try to imagine what Dr. Pierce would think of the disastrous direction Gliebe has taken the hard line organization he founded and built and ran for over 30 years. I'm cerain of one thing: he would side with Fred and Marta Streed and Bob Demarais and Kitti Molz and his former trusted staff, and then he would clean house! For his malfeasance and dishonorable behavior Gliebe's "Aryan Barbarian" butt would be parked back at a lathe in Cleveland, punching out widgets. Basically, Mr. Gliebe doesn't do well without Dr. Pierce telling him what to do every day. He has surrounded himself with well-paid yes men and women who do not have the grasp of Dr. Pierce's vision; he even appointed a new board that won't question his judgment. He is unaccountable to anyone and he actually believes that the National Alliance is his own sole proprietorship, not a corporation subject to bylaws and the corporate laws of Virginia as Dr. Pierce set things up. I feel sorry for the Alliance members who have accepted Gliebe's false picture of recent Alliance developments unquestioningly. There's a lot to be said for loyalty, UP TO A POINT -- the point where one can no longer deny the smell of rotting fish.