On Stormfront Gabrielle started attacking Edgar Steele's latest article of "Defense of Homosexuality" and Steele himself even posted to defend himself, but once again the moderator jumped in and CLOSED the discussion. MuadDib closes the thread...

Why do you Stormfront members tolerate this? The moderators treat you like children and they completely grovel to this "Whose a celebrity in the WN world" mentality. The entire system of Stormfront is set up like this:

Kevin Strom, Don Black= KINGS
Edgar Steele, David Irving= Princes
Moderators= Nobles
Everyone else= SERFS

It's some Medieval hierarchy of smug arrogance and every member in the WN movement is expected to lick the feet of the "elite"..

I'm glad VNN isn't like this, I think if a thread attacked Alex Linder or Georgie, they would defend themselves and are not afraid of approaching the people. The Stormfront "elite" fixation of "Hi, I'm Don Black, worship me!!!" is what turns a lot of White people off.....

Why do you give a shit? Gabrielle knows very well she can come here and post freely, if she wants to be uncensored, and no one will stop her. The fact that she does not is her choice.

Likewise SF runs things the way they want. Personally I would not submit to arbitrary moderation by halfwits, and accordingly I do not post there. But SF is private property and they have every right in the world to run their site their way.

I honestly don't know why SF offends people. Just post on VNNF, I say!


On Stormfront Gabrielle started attacking Edgar Steele's latest article of "Defense of Homosexuality" and Steele himself even posted to defend himself, but once again the moderator jumped in and CLOSED the discussion. MuadDib closes the thread...

Why do you Stormfront members tolerate this? The moderators treat you like children and they completely grovel to this "Whose a celebrity in the WN world" mentality. The entire system of Stormfront is set up like this:

Kevin Strom, Don Black= KINGS
Edgar Steele, David Irving= Princes
Moderators= Nobles
Everyone else= SERFS

It's some Medieval hierarchy of smug arrogance and every member in the WN movement is expected to lick the feet of the "elite"..

I'm glad VNN isn't like this, I think if a thread attacked Alex Linder or Georgie, they would defend themselves and are not afraid of approaching the people. The Stormfront "elite" fixation of "Hi, I'm Don Black, worship me!!!" is what turns a lot of White people off.....

if their actions bother you that much.
I was a long time poster on SF until I was driven out like so many others.
This happened back in the late summer.
I have honestly never gone back there to even post once, I rarely even browsed it. It is so redundant and predictable now. With VNNF, that's all I need.
Afterall, it's just a god damn cyber board, just like this one.

I remember way back in 2000 when the SF site was much more than the discussion board and they actually put up original articles, pictures, and opinions on the issues of the day.
Much like VNN does.

If it makes you feel any better, 97% of SF users have and always will be primarily net warriors. A fair portion of those are just venters.
All of their venting does not add up to shit in the long run.

Over time, quality and topics really went down hill. Tthere was some intelligent debate here and there, but for whatever reason the moderates and feminists established the status quo.
Over the last year I was on there, the increasing heavy handedness of the censoring really got to me. I found myself in constant battles with feminists and Republican minded twirps only focusing on how bad ass the American military is and nigger crime. Few were able to connect the dots.

Finally, because I had it out with Gabrielle, uber1 and a few other ultra-feminists, I was banned to their Rant section as an "anti".
I said a big "Fuck You" to everyone and off I went.

It is now just a big joke, not to even be taken seriously. So don't.
They are neither WNist or have the freedom of speech.
Don't waste your time even caring whose saying what or what's going on SF.

Make your time productive and quit wasting it on SF and other useless crap.

if their actions bother you that much.
I was a long time poster on SF until I was driven out like so many others.
This happened back in the late summer.
I have honestly never gone back there to even post once, I rarely even browsed it. It is so redundant and predictable now. With VNNF, that's all I need.
Afterall, it's just a god damn cyber board, just like this one.

I remember way back in 2000 when the SF site was much more than the discussion board and they actually put up original articles, pictures, and opinions on the issues of the day.
Much like VNN does.

If it makes you feel any better, 97% of SF users have and always will be primarily net warriors. A fair portion of those are just venters.
All of their venting does not add up to shit in the long run.

Over time, quality and topics really went down hill. Tthere was some intelligent debate here and there, but for whatever reason the moderates and feminists established the status quo.
Over the last year I was on there, the increasing heavy handedness of the censoring really got to me. I found myself in constant battles with feminists and Republican minded twirps only focusing on how bad ass the American military is and nigger crime. Few were able to connect the dots.

Finally, because I had it out with Gabrielle, uber1 and a few other ultra-feminists, I was banned to their Rant section as an "anti".
I said a big "Fuck You" to everyone and off I went.

It is now just a big joke, not to even be taken seriously. So don't.
They are neither WNist or have the freedom of speech.
Don't waste your time even caring whose saying what or what's going on SF.

Make your time productive and quit wasting it on SF and other useless crap.

Yes, you are probably right it just surprises me how weird it's gotten. The Republicans and Feminists are increasing in number all the time and the board is full of petty boundary Nationalism which of course isn't racial at all. The typical example is the guy from Scotland on there who hates Hitler because Scotland was on the Allied side in WWII, it's that kind of "This is my territorial turf" nonsense which annoys the hell out of me and Stormfront is full of people like that now.....

Alot of people read SF and I'm sure alot of people became racially aware through SF. If they become "family friendly" and dont talk about the Jews, become feminists, and who knows what else...what is that gonna do to potential people who could have become racially aware? Of course I'm not saying were intellectuals on here or anything but still...

Well it is my impression that MuadDib closes out more threads than JJT.

I think it is important to name the Jew, but I also think it's important to back up ones claims with links.

(Media control should have a link to a list of Jews who control the media, for example.)

Likewise SF runs things the way they want. Personally I would not submit to arbitrary moderation by halfwits, and accordingly I do not post there. But SF is [b]private property and they have every right in the world to run their site their way.

I honestly don't know why SF offends people. Just post on VNNF, I say!Of course they have "every right in the world to run their site their way". But...when you bill yourself as a WN board - thereby implying that you're free speech - don't you think it's kind of fucked-up to string these lemmings (who now believe they're getting to the crux of the racial problem in the world) along, all the while purposely misleading them down the wrong path? C'mon, man, they're operating under false pretenses. That's what really pisses people off here. Personally, I could give two shits just "how" they operate - whether or not they allow the usage of terms such as "honky", "cracker", "redneck", etc. yet censor such naughty and oh-so-racist terms as "nigger", "spic", or "kike." Just don't fuckin' put on the front that you're seriously pro-White when you're nowhere near it!

Now do you see why SF offends so many people here? I'm really not disagreeing with you - seriously! I left that shithole on my own in mid-January of this year, and I've never looked back (until today of course). I don't go poking around that site. The people they've got posting there - a large # of them anyway - are nothing but a bunch of pseudo-intellectual poseurs. They make me wanna puke when I read their "dissertations." On the other hand, I can't help but pity the real WN-at-heart folk who are under the mistaken impression that they're being told the truth. We want those people to come over to "our" side, where there is genuine freedom of expression and unmoderated exchange of thought and opinion. Can you understand that?

Ciao.

Im not overly going to get involved in crap like this, since I find it utterly pathetic. But.. Claiming to be a WN site, is in no way shape or form implying to be free speech...

S.F claims to be all about free speech it dosent have to be like here but what
they do is wrong.

Im not overly going to get involved in crap like this, since I find it utterly pathetic. But.. Claiming to be a WN site, is in no way shape or form implying to be free speech...Then what the hell did you open your mouth for if it's "crap", "utterly pathetic", and you're not going to "get involved?"

And b.s. - they may not "advertise" it on the forums themselves in neon lights, but free speech just happens to be one of the most important - if not the most important - facets of the WN movement on the internet. Or did'nt you know that? Do we have free speech in the jews media? Wake up.

I assure you, I am fully awake. You think this bashing is going to accomplish anything? well, Im sure you do, but the majority of us realize it wont. All it serves to do is cause even more division. Free Speech is a right, but that dosnt mean every single one of our WN sites have to have it... SF doesnt overly claim to be free speech, I mean, read the guidelines which are pushed so often over there. I open my mouth, because it is pathetic, utterly pathetic. You think this is bettering our movement? if you think that, then YOU need to open your fucking eyes, because it is only doing bad for us. What do you think the "jew media" is doing when they come and read this crap? they sit there, and laugh at us... they laugh at the people who are making these threads, because what are they doing? they are doing exactly what the jew himself wants. You sir, may think it is a good thing for us to have division, but personally I do not. When the time comes, we all need to be on the same side, not fighting each other and overlooking the real problem here. Dont tell me to wake up, its not me who needs to do that... I respect whites, I dont gossip whore about them all over the internet.

Note. Free Speech is a right for you Americans, us Canadians, do not have that right. SF accomplishes exactly what it needs to do, and many a people have becme aware, or started theyre internet involvment over there.. to bash it, is as ive said, feeding right into what our enemies want, and they love to see it.

And I see ptolemy or whatever has come back. LOL

I didn't say I was leaving. Actually, VNN is starting to grow on me a bit. :eek:

I just have to keep my natural trolling nature in check.

An exercise in self control.

I assure you, I am fully awake. You think this bashing is going to accomplish anything? well, Im sure you do, but the majority of us realize it wont. All it serves to do is cause even more division. Free Speech is a right, but that dosnt mean every single one of our WN sites have to have it... SF doesnt overly claim to be free speech, I mean, read the guidelines which are pushed so often over there. I open my mouth, because it is pathetic, utterly pathetic. You think this is bettering our movement? if you think that, then YOU need to open your fucking eyes, because it is only doing bad for us. What do you think the "jew media" is doing when they come and read this crap? they sit there, and laugh at us... they laugh at the people who are making these threads, because what are they doing? they are doing exactly what the jew himself wants. You sir, may think it is a good thing for us to have division, but personally I do not. When the time comes, we all need to be on the same side, not fighting each other and overlooking the real problem here. Dont tell me to wake up, its not me who needs to do that... I respect whites, I dont gossip whore about them all over the internet."We're doing exactly what the jew himself wants?" Now I see it's not a matter of a difference of opinion, it's a matter of "someone" being sadly misinformed.

Do you see anyone here bashing any other forum other than SF? No, you don't. You never do. Did it ever occur to you to ask yourself why? Let me ask you something. Why do you think people here bash SF? Do you think it's jealousy, on our part, because SF has the largest membership of any "WN" board on the internet? Or, could it just possibly be that SF is the enemy? Not the people who post there, but the people who run it? You obviously don't know one damn thing about who controls that board....do you? Do you know about Don Black's selling out to the federal govt. in exchange for an extremely short jail term for attempting to overthrow a foreign government? Do you know that their top dog moderator, John Joytree, is a jew himself? Do you know that he has a preference for nigger women? Do you know that he tells his naive, gullible members that "jews are okay" and that "Hitler was an asshole?" Well.....do you?

Now....tell me one more time, little boy, who the hell's playing into the hands of the enemy - the people here who know something about the shenanigans going on behind the scenes at SF, or, you, with your moral support of a heavily-influenced ZOG "White" board?

No, you are not fully awake, and apparently I was wrong. I don't think you're capable of being awakened. You're obviously in a deep coma.

Blah blah blah, keep telling yourself whatever makes you feel good. I do know the problems with SF, and you know something else? I probably know a SHITLOAD more about it then you. I have had the chance to read some of the closed quarter threads, and even the mods over there arent too keen on JJT. I have had a few instances questioning who he is, but of course you wouldnt ever see that. Little boy? an easy attempt to try and belittle me? nice try "son" hahahahahah... SF has its problems, granted it has alot of cencorship, but someone like you is who the jews just love... I'll have you know, I know of more of the shenanigans than I bet you do... not all of it goes on in the SF closed areas. Its amazing, I am not a huge SF supporter by any means, usually I dont post there at all, yet I am able to see your ignorance. Okay fine, maybe Don Black isnt a good guy, Ive never met him, so I cant really say.. have you met him? or, wait, your getting all your info second hand off the internet, thats right... from my eyes, I am more awake then you will ever be. Its amazing, how much time you ppl spend bashing SF, all the other things you could be doing... but hey, then you wouldnt be pleasing the jews right? I am in no coma, I am no little boy, in fact Im quite a big boy... I see the ignorance of these threads... you think all the VNN posters are so great? and I myself rather like VNN, but... I dont think anyone is great when bashing other pro whites.. not just SF, but many many others aswell. SF may be utterly watered down, but I dont see them starting anti VNN threads, until posters come over here and read 1 of the 1000 anti SF threads... please, get a life "little boy". I am not here to cause arguments, and I dont care what some weekend warrior may think of me, I know what I see as right and wrong, and bashing other "WN's" is wrong, no matter how you try and justify it.

Another Note. I post on VNN more than SF, yet I dont feel the need to spend my whole time on the internet bashing them... Im only 20 years old, and clearly more grown up then most... Say what you want about me, I dont give a shit, Im not the one causing in-fighting.

And.. One more. I am not trying to come off as offensive. You call me a little boy and imply I am not awake, yet I have probably seen more of what goes on behind the scenes then most over here, believe it or not I dont care. My eyes are wide awake, have been for years, and will be for years to come... MMMMK?

Another Note. Here is a thread, which I go against what alot of the posters over there think.. and I 100% disagree with.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=130546

Blah blah blah, keep telling yourself whatever makes you feel good. I do know the problems with SF, and you know something else? I probably know a SHITLOAD more about it then you. I have had the chance to read some of the closed quarter threads, and even the mods over there arent too keen on JJT. I have had a few instances questioning who he is, but of course you wouldnt ever see that. Little boy? an easy attempt to try and belittle me? nice try "son" hahahahahah... SF has its problems, granted it has alot of cencorship, but someone like you is who the jews just love... I'll have you know, I know of more of the shenanigans than I bet you do... not all of it goes on in the SF closed areas. Its amazing, I am not a huge SF supporter by any means, usually I dont post there at all, yet I am able to see your ignorance. Okay fine, maybe Don Black isnt a good guy, Ive never met him, so I cant really say.. have you met him? or, wait, your getting all your info second hand off the internet, thats right... from my eyes, I am more awake then you will ever be. Its amazing, how much time you ppl spend bashing SF, all the other things you could be doing... but hey, then you wouldnt be pleasing the jews right? I am in no coma, I am no little boy, in fact Im quite a big boy... I see the ignorance of these threads... you think all the VNN posters are so great? and I myself rather like VNN, but... I dont think anyone is great when bashing other pro whites.. not just SF, but many many others aswell. SF may be utterly watered down, but I dont see them starting anti VNN threads, until posters come over here and read 1 of the 1000 anti SF threads... please, get a life "little boy". I am not here to cause arguments, and I dont care what some weekend warrior may think of me, I know what I see as right and wrong, and bashing other "WN's" is wrong, no matter how you try and justify it.You are a liar - plain and simple. You obviously did not know anything about what I just posted. Otherwise, you would have mentioned something about it before. Taking your "inside knowledge" of the inner workings of SF at face value - what does it matter if the mods over at SF "are'nt too keen on JJT" if the people posting there are not aware of this in the first place and nothing is done to stop this jew from influencing members? And don't give me this shit about the "jews loving me" - that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever if it's jews themselves who control SF.....does it? They are head over heels in love with you.

And now alllll of a sudden it's "Okay fine, maybe Don Black is'nt a good guy?" Changed your tune pretty damn fast there, did'nt you? I guess it does'nt matter to you if he sold-out to the feds, huh?

And we are not bashing pro-Whites, we're bashing people posing as if they're pro-White. You still don't get it, do you? Damn!

And don't think for one minute you're informing me of something I don't know when you say there's a lot of infighting going on in the movement and that it's doing us harm. No shit - a 15 y.o. newbie to the Cause could see that. Tell me - do you think it impossible, or even improbable, that the jew has'nt managed to infiltrate and influence the biggest "White" board on the net? All the WN movements themselves are.....why not the "king of the WN boards?"

I'll answer your reply in the a.m. That's if you've got one.

No sir, I am quite the opposite from a liar, though you've read some of my posts on the internet so you must know. I think you, take internet forums a tad too seriously. Yes, I bet I do know more of what went on behind closed quarters than you do, but those ppl didnt feel the need to air out our dirty laundry, like others do. Do you not think its possible, or plorable, that jews have infiltrated this place just as easily as they do to SF? I never ONCE said Don Black was a good man, so no, I didnt change my opinion whatsoever, I have never met him and dnot feel the need to make a judgement based on something Ive read on the internet, the fact is, I dont hold ANY information I get off the internet at face value. I am not a mod there, I rarly post there, so I couldnt begin to tell you why he is still a moderator (JJT), other then the countless amounts of money he "donates" to various places, IE SF and BNP... which in no way makes him a WN, which again, I never said. So, your wrong, as simple as that. I wasnt informing you of infighting, try reading my posts before you make these arguement will you? I was saying THIS right here, is infighting, and it is getting us no where at all... the jew may love me, but I dont know him, so he's going to have to make an assumption about me off the internet, you see, we dont get many kykes here in Canada, we have the injun problems. Why would I feel the need to post behind the scenes messages here? I would have absolutly no right to do that, call me a liar all you want, but I can tell you something. There are a few well known boards, that indeed do have JJT threads behind closed doors, some of which have SF mods asking him to explain himself which he really did not. The fact that I dont think you have read ANY of these posts, means you dont really know the "power struggle" that seems to be going on, and that most of these ppl you are bashing for being SF mods, are saying the exact same stuff, just not feeling the need to put it somewhere that a jew can read and enjoy. Easy enough, isnt it? I wouldnt think that was tooooo hard to comprehend, but I guess it is. Call me a liar, but... simply put, I am not. There is no point in my argueing with you. Do whatever it is you think is right, I disagree, and would take the road of not allowing some jew to see it, and get enjoyment from that... JJT is known to tolerate jews, and most over tehre dont like that, unfortunatly it IS NOT theyre property, it is Don Blacks property. It is his coice as to what to do, right or wrong, it is his choice... You make a common bias against him based on a website you no doubt read, well, Im not trying to dismiss that claim having never met him. Basically, I just find it really funny you say people are "posing as non whites" when no doubt you have NEVER met them, read a post of they're off the internet (LOL) and make an opinion.. a 9 year old kid can do that. As I said, I never said jack shit about Don Black, so no, I didnt change anything there, show me a post where I said Don Black is a stand up WN... there arent any. Have a good day

Oh, and again, I never said I had any inner knowledge of SF workings. I am not a MOD, rarly post, and honestly dont really care. All that matters, is SF helps to open ppls eyes, argue it all you want but thats the truth. I merly said there are other boards, where SF mods post, that have behind closed quarters threads pertaining to this subject... I have read some of these topics, I think JJT is sympathetic to jews, which is quite pathetic, I DO think SF is watered down, but I myself dont feel the need to bash it. Pretty easy to understnad that isnt it? I would think so.


Basicaly, retort all you want, I dont think its right... regardless. SF has alot of good whites, and I respect alot of the Mods over there (IrishJay, MuadDib, Lycia).. I understand what you are saying, dont get me wrong here, I just dont view it as the right way to go about it. Calling me a liar is humerous, because simply put you wouldnt know.

Oh, and sorry for the spelling / grammer.. Im not the best at either, and always forget to make paragraphs.. you'll just have to tough it out. 1488

And you are the one to say to me, "Blah, blah, blah?" Jesus, you run your mouth like a jewess on crystal meth. And no, before this, I have'nt read any of your "posts on the internet." Don't be so quick to flatter yourself - you're not someone that I anxiously await with baited breath to put up a post. Another thing - if you would be so kind, please define "plorable" for me, I can't seem to find it in my Webster's. Thanks.

Alright, Porkchop, I can see this is fast going nowhere and we're just re-hashing the same shit over and over again. So, just let me say this, and you can have the last "blah, blah, blah." Alright?

This is what I believe: I believe that SF has been thoroughly compromised - not just peppered here and there with a handful of jewscum and rat bitches working for the feds as I'm sure a lot of other WN boards are. I know that VNN is closely watched by ZOG and it's sidekicks, the ADL, SPLC, JDO, etc. and that its probably got its share of "operatives" posing as WN's and putting up posts here. And although there's no way of my knowing for sure, I'd be willing to bet Linder & Co. has'nt sold-out for thirty pieces of silver - unlike your beloved SF. This is the most open, in-your-face White board on the net, at least that's my opinion.

I don't care if SF prohibits the use of profanity or ethnic slurs on their board - that's their prerogative. I put up 80 posts during my very short stay there. Don't you think I know that? What I mean by "free speech" is - a concept which you apparently don't understand the full meaning of - the ability to criticize any group of people without the arbitrary censorship that everyone who has ever posted at SF has experienced first hand. I found out very quickly at SF that if you hit too close to home in relation to criticism of The Chosen, your post simply does not get put up. Now, WTF's that tell you? I'll tell you what it tells me. It tells me that SF is under the control of fuckin' jews - that's what it tells me.

If VNN ever goes the way of SF, I'm outta here. But, until that time, I'm going to continue to thoroughly enjoy the complete, total freedom of expression that's allowed - and encouraged - on this board.

Like I said - the last shot's all yours. Have at it.

Do you know that their top dog moderator, John Joytree, is a jew himself? Do you know that he has a preference for nigger women? Do you know that he tells his naive, gullible members that "jews are okay" and that "Hitler was an asshole?" Well.....do you?
So what happens to those that are new to White Nationalism? We walk away from them and hope they will eventually learn the truth? I say stick around and prove the jew distorted perception of JJT wrong. I despise the fact that he continuously disrespects the concepts of National Socialism. He appears to be a party of his own. A one man circle jerk! Though you do have the flow of brown nosers there that "agree" with his point. Weak cowards. I welcome the day we stand as one and we will see who was right! As you see the yellow bellys running away. :mad: