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Mike Mazzone of Palatine
February 5th, 2008, 04:30 PM
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/33594

Ron's Strategy is Working!
Posted February 4th, 2008 by lynnopoly

Over the last few days, I have noticed some significant change in the support camp of Ron Paul. Many people (myself included) are offering their opinions as to why their favorite candidate, Ron Paul, is not doing so well in the primaries. There is a lot of talk right now about forming a new strategy, from "Ron Paul should run as a third party candidate" to "Ron Paul needs a debate coach." Whether or not we the people agree, we the people seem to share the same enthusiasm -- which is, GET RON PAUL ELECTED. And while some may be discouraged for winning any states thus far, I would like to offer everyone my own conclusion based on not how or what the strategy is -- but WHY IT'S WORKING. This might just help clear the air for many who continually support the campaign.

Whether or not you agree with all of Ron Paul's message, there is one thing that separates Ron Paul from any other candidate... and that is Ron Paul IS THE MOST RESPECTED CANDIDATE out there. And while many may support other candidates in the primaries, there is a trend that has been emerging over the last few months or so and it's growing more and more rapidly each day. I offer you to travel all over the internet to different camps, from Hillary Clinton, Obama, Romney, McCain and Huckabee and analyze what their supporters are talking about. At ALL OF THEIR FORUMS, you will see discussions of the other candidates. Many people (and rightfully so) are boosting their candidate while trying to rip apart the other candidates. McCain country wants to annihilate Romney headquarters, Clinton followers want to expose Obama, and so on and so on. But they all have one thing in common -- in every single camp, you will find MANY non Ron Paul supporters, regardless of who they support, actually RESPECT WHAT RON PAUL STANDS FOR. In fact, many of the supporters from the other campaigns, especially the Democrats, even said they WOULD CONSIDER VOTING FOR RON PAUL if their candidate didn't win rather than vote for the "other guy."

That's a pretty powerful message, wouldn't you agree? A Democrat voting for a Republican just because they hate the other nominee from the same party so much? The same thing goes for the Republicans. And while I am sure MANY of these forum threads will disappear quickly due to me exposing them to the voting world, it doesn't hide the fact that this is exactly what is occurring in the camps throughout the primaries. People are READY to move to someone else -- and MANY are thinking about Ron Paul because they absolutely despise the other candidates -- and that's putting it lightly compared to some of the posts I've read. They still don't think he can win, but it makes them feel good about voting for someone they respect who would do a better job than to vote for someone they despise just because they're from the same party or they're favored to win.

So why is this occurring? What is dividing the voters amongst Democrats and Republicans? I have two words for you -- Ron Paul. Congressman Paul has done something that is ALREADY CHANGING AMERICA. He is reminding people to look up the Constitution, and in the words of the beloved Yoda, "We must unlearn what we have learned." The people of America are doing exactly that. They are learning the choices we have about FREEDOM and what made our country so great. They are learning that we need to choose someone that we really think will do a great job in office. That it's not about sticking with your party and voting for the "The Party" no matter what. That it's ok to change sides. That it's ok to choose the best candidate. But most importantly, to serve and do what's right for "We the People." It's even catching on to people in office, such as Governor Schwarzenegger warning Republicans, "Every decision has to be based on what is the best for the people, how can I serve the people, rather than how can I serve my party."

Over the last few decades, no other primary race has been this undecided before. Even with the big turnout on the much anticipated Super Tuesday, many still believe a front runner won't be decided. And while Ron Paul may not be winning states, he is collecting delegates and winning at something much more important... Freedom and respect of the American people. His strategy IS WORKING. And when you see your favorite candidate build an alliance with another candidate for sake of the party, which could likely happen as the media is already rumoring the possibility of McCain/Huckabee vs. Clinton/Obama, remember this -- THEY HAD NO CHOICE BECAUSE THEY ARE SERVING THE PARTY, NOT THE PEOPLE. But the people are awake now, thanks to Ron Paul... and one things for certain, there isn't any supporter out there in any of the camps who wouldn't feel betrayed if their candidate were to team up with the very person they despised.

Yes, freedom is a wonderful thing... and along with that, will come the votes swinging to Ron Paul in due time, whether by brokered convention or by a third party run (which may not occur, so do not get your hopes up.) The Ron Paul strategy is working, and in fact, it's working quite beautifully if you ask me. And believe it or not, much of it was helped by the media blackout. It forced candidates to sling mud at each other while Ron Paul just -- well, he just wasn't there! Let the media expose the "Dream Teams" and start to fuel the fire I say. Let them further hold TV debates to questions for the Dream Team candidates by their supporters who simply ask "Why?!!" And we'll all be here, welcoming them with open arms because we know what it felt like before we discovered the truth. Then they'll be free to join the bandwagon of true democracy and freedom -- to devote themselves in support of Ron Paul.

Bottom line -- Who would have thought that such a simple thing known as the truth could win an election? Ron Paul, that's who....

Hell Raising Woman
February 5th, 2008, 05:54 PM
"And believe it or not, much of it was helped by the media blackout. It forced candidates to sling mud at each other while Ron Paul just -- well, he just wasn't there! Let the media expose the "Dream Teams" and start to fuel the fire I say."

This is another way to look at it; however, I sincerely hope Ron Paul wins even without the lack of media coverage. Damn the jews!

Donnachaidh
February 5th, 2008, 07:33 PM
I might be buzzed right now but this strategy doesn't make much sense to me. Somebody pinch me.

Stan Sikorski
February 5th, 2008, 07:41 PM
Ron just needs to keep building forces and not put himself in the limelight until after the pre-circus is over. Itz going to weed the herd. Then he needs to declare himself Independent and gather forces and slam that money he's got into advertising. I bet he already thought of this.

tuisto
February 5th, 2008, 07:59 PM
[QUOTE=Mike Mazzone of Palatine;716479]http://www.dailypaul.com/node/33594

Then they'll be free to join the bandwagon of true democracy and freedom -- to devote themselves in support of Ron Paul.
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:cool: "democracy" :confused: ...like in the rotten Weimar Republik?
"freedom" :confused: ... isn't big business in power = slavery?

Jett Rink
February 5th, 2008, 08:19 PM
I might be buzzed right now but this strategy doesn't make much sense to me. Somebody pinch me.
Ron's strategy is to be a big pussy right up to the end.

Seriously, what a dumbfuck.

He could have talked shit about deporting Mexicans and bombing the hell out of Iran and he'd be up there instead of McInsane.

It's not what you do, its what you say.

Alex Linder
February 5th, 2008, 09:16 PM
Ron's strategy is to be a big pussy right up to the end.

Seriously, what a dumbfuck.

He could have talked shit about deporting Mexicans and bombing the hell out of Iran and he'd be up there instead of McInsane.

It's not what you do, its what you say.

I would tend to agree with this. He's a lousy speaker. The problem most of these hacks have is standing out from the rest since they're all strung by the same puppetmaster. Paul is different, but he can't dance for shit. He's just too darn old and nice.

I mean, a real politician would have stuck those 100-years-war and bomb-bomb-Iran remarks right up McCainiac's ass.

And, as I said long ago, Paul is making a huge mistake in not playing to White as Whites. He keeps on playing to niggers, while ignoring his base.

Whites have always hated anti-white discrimination and the border issue is bigger than ever - and the break on both these is in Paul's favor, and he has completely failed to use them.

Anchorage Activist
February 5th, 2008, 09:27 PM
And, as I said long ago, Paul is making a huge mistake in not playing to White as Whites. He keeps on playing to niggers, while ignoring his base.

Whites have always hated anti-white discrimination and the border issue is bigger than ever - and the break on both these is in Paul's favor, and he has completely failed to use them.

Ron Paul had a real chance until he decided to backpedal on the race issue, kowtow to MLK and Rosa Parks, and hold the MLK Money Bomb. When he did that, he tarnished his unique "stand-alone" image of being anti-PC and stalled out his campaign. Early returns from Alaska indicate he may not even win there, although he could finish a close second to Romney.

Although many whites won't admit it publicly, they are looking for a candidate who will deliver a no nonsense pro-white message, although without the traditional symbology normally accompanying such a message.

Alex Linder
February 5th, 2008, 09:47 PM
Ron Paul had a real chance until he decided to backpedal on the race issue, kowtow to MLK and Rosa Parks, and hold the MLK Money Bomb. When he did that, he tarnished his unique "stand-alone" image of being anti-PC and stalled out his campaign. Early returns from Alaska indicate he may not even win there, although he could finish a close second to Romney.

Although many whites won't admit it publicly, they are looking for a candidate who will deliver a no nonsense pro-white message, although without the traditional symbology normally accompanying such a message.

Duke is best qualified to advise Ron Paul politically, and he says exactly what I said.

What so many WN, even here at VNNF, said was a wise, even a necessary move, to lie about race, didn't work. Rather than shielding Ron Paul and getting him back on message, it reduced him to the status of just another liar in the minds of average voters.

Sean Martin
February 5th, 2008, 09:48 PM
I might be buzzed right now but this strategy doesn't make much sense to me. Somebody pinch me.
I don’t think he really wants to win. He was all for being the president until his support picked up and he started to become popular then it was like he just stopped. I agree that it doesn’t make any sense. Although I will say this, he has had more campaign success than every VNNF’er combined so if he is planning on winning he knows what he is doing.


Then he needs to declare himself Independent and gather forces and slam that money he's got into advertising. I bet he already thought of this.


No independent will win. People want either a democrat or republican. The Jews have indoctrinated people into thinking the president has to be backed by a party otherwise he can’t get anything done. Doesn’t matter how much people like Paul he won’t win.

Look at Perot, everyone liked him and he flopped. Not to mention he had the money.

Thomas Caldwell
February 5th, 2008, 09:52 PM
Ron Paul and all of you got run over like a queer in front of a Buffalo stampede. Linder and his identical Quad brothers (Black, Jack, and Keslo) lie crushed among the squished buffalo droppings.

ANSWP Commander
February 5th, 2008, 09:55 PM
although without the traditional symbology normally accompanying such a message.

On what basis do you add that nonsense?

Do white people think they want that, because white society has been poisoned by modernity in gynocratic weakness? Did someone take a poll?

Should we give people who want something that is bad for them what we want?

Should we care what the democratic process dictates at all?

I'm watching the primaries without any illusions -- its all farce and all as worthless as any system that presumes equality among men and the extends it to niggers and animals.

ANSWP Commander
February 5th, 2008, 09:57 PM
Ron's strategy is to be a big pussy right up to the end.

Seriously, what a dumbfuck.

He could have talked shit about deporting Mexicans and bombing the hell out of Iran and he'd be up there instead of McInsane.

It's not what you do, its what you say.

Thank you. Good to read someone [almost] making sense for once.

ANSWP Commander
February 5th, 2008, 10:00 PM
What so many WN, even here at VNNF, said was a wise, even a necessary move, to lie about race, didn't work. Rather than shielding Ron Paul and getting him back on message, it reduced him to the status of just another liar in the minds of average voters.

And it dropped him from 10% down to the 4% - 6% range -- just like I remember Buchanan's rejections of whites dropped him from his 2% down to about .5% of the electorate.

You're wrong, though, about David. He's a very capable politician, but is too dishonest to advise anyone. That's a bit like saying Strom should produce Paul's radio spots -- he may be talented and capable at it, but his moral issues disqualify him.

Anchorage Activist
February 5th, 2008, 10:08 PM
On what basis do you add that nonsense?

Do white people think they want that, because white society has been poisoned by modernity in gynocratic weakness? Did someone take a poll?

Should we give people who want something that is bad for them what we want?

Should we care what the democratic process dictates at all?

I'm watching the primaries without any illusions -- its all farce and all as worthless as any system that presumes equality among men and the extends it to niggers and animals.

Sheer volume - there are far too many white people who keep saying that they sympathize with us, but they won't have anything to do with the traditional symbology.

This is why, in addition to the "shock therapy" type of activism provided by those who use traditional symbology, we also need a more mainstream approach. Delivering the same message, but wrapped in a more mainstream package. You saw how Alex Linder was dressed when he gave that speech in Knoxville. That's what I'm talking about.

Thanks to the Jews and their 60 years of uninterrupted propaganda, too many people are scared of the swastika. That cannot be reversed overnight. As long as the democratic process is available, we use that in addition to other tools. Art Jones is using the democratic process is Illinois.

Vonbluvens
February 5th, 2008, 10:11 PM
Ron's strategy is to be a big pussy right up to the end.

Seriously, what a dumbfuck.

He could have talked shit about deporting Mexicans and bombing the hell out of Iran and he'd be up there instead of McInsane.

It's not what you do, its what you say.

Pussy indeed. Time to look past the Ron Paul failure. :rofl

AntonF
February 5th, 2008, 10:19 PM
Ron's Strategy IS WORKING LIKE SHIT!!!!! What is this guy's PROBLEM????? I saw the guy in person. He's looks good for his age and is a likable guy. Even some MUDS like him. I hope he takes a good look in the mirror tonight and starts asking himself some questions.

Anchorage Activist
February 5th, 2008, 10:35 PM
Ron's Strategy IS WORKING LIKE SHIT!!!!! What is this guy's PROBLEM????? I saw the guy in person. He's looks good for his age and is a likable guy. Even some MUDS like him. I hope he takes a good look in the mirror tonight and starts asking himself some questions.

The problem is when he had the opportunity to deliver a racial message, he backed off.

I read comments on these various discussion boards, particularly those on the Anchorage Daily News and KSL Channel 5 in Salt Lake. Many whites are residually race-wise, though they don't openly admit it. Every time KSL reports on a Mexican crime, white guys get on there and immediately speculate that it was an illegal. They KNOW!

What Paul needed to do was to pledge to shut down affirmative action in this country, then use that to expand on the disparate reporting between black and white crime. He could have told the country now only how much civil rights enforcement costs us every year, but how civil rights enforcement violates the presumption of innocence. He could have exposed the Marxist origin of both the hate crimes concept and the neocon movement.

In short, he could have used his campaign to expose the entire fallacy of the civil rights movement - and he wouldn't have had to become a white nationalist in the process. The audience was there, but he failed to play to it properly.

Perhaps his problem is that he is a geniunely nice guy who honestly feels bad when he offends someone. Understandable, but nice guys don't wage and win revolutions. Even George Washington knew when to toughen up.

Mike Mazzone of Palatine
February 5th, 2008, 11:55 PM
Ron just needs to keep building forces and not put himself in the limelight until after the pre-circus is over. Itz going to weed the herd. Then he needs to declare himself Independent and gather forces and slam that money he's got into advertising. I bet he already thought of this.
It would be a lot easier for him to win the delegates at the brokered convention in September than it would be to run 3rd party. That's what will most likely happen. The delegates that show up at the national convention, even if "committed" to Romney or McCain, became delegates because they supported Ron Paul and got involved. Romney, McCain, and Huckabee have way fewer real supporters than Ron Paul does. All three of them combined have less boots on the ground supporters nationwide than Ron Paul. That's why his strategy works.

Alex Linder
February 6th, 2008, 12:02 AM
You're wrong, though, about David. He's a very capable politician, but is too dishonest to advise anyone. That's a bit like saying Strom should produce Paul's radio spots -- he may be talented and capable at it, but his moral issues disqualify him.

Duke is better qualified than you or anyone to advise Paul on just this point, because he has actually done it. He will have a better idea of how real White voters will respond. I'm not talking about officially. Duke has more experience on the particular point in question because he has direct practical experience.

Cernunnos
February 6th, 2008, 12:05 AM
This presumes that the delegates sent will be inclined to vote for Ron Paul. At this point, it appears McCain is dangerously close to a majority, if not already at a majority, and the sheepole have this sort of 'hive-mind' clustering mentality, like they played 'follow the leader' too many times in preschool.

It is not over until the fat lady sings, and the broad is clearing her throat.

Jett Rink
February 6th, 2008, 12:10 AM
It would do Ron Paul well to take the 20 million and buy guns, lots of guns.

Mike Mazzone of Palatine
February 6th, 2008, 12:57 AM
it appears McCain is dangerously close to a majority
He's not even halfway there, and might not even get there. 1191 is the magic number.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#val=R
like they played 'follow the leader' too many times in preschool
And who is leading, according to youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=leading+freedom&search_type=&search=Search
It would do Ron Paul well to take the 20 million and buy guns, lots of guns.
I've talked with the gun lobby in Ames. They know who the leader is.

McCain's paid staffers even fuck with his myspace.

http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/27/john-mccains-myspace-page-hacked/

Mike Mazzone of Palatine
February 8th, 2008, 08:58 AM
http://www.nolanchart.com/article2556.html

Romney Quits, Ron Paul Fights On
Romney quite possibly quit to prevent a brokered convention that can leave the door open for Ron Paul - but it may just all work out in Ron Paul's favor.by Alex Wallenwein
(Conservative)
Mitt Romney has announced his withdrawal from the race.

As predicted, they are falling off like flies - and the most amazing thing is that it's the GOP's cream of the crap (er ..., sorry, I meant "cream of the crop") that keeps falling off the cliff.

Think about that for a moment.

The "Rudy McRomney" trio was the press-crowned successors-in-waiting for the country's highest office for most of 2007. Now that Romney is out, only the "Mc" remains of that old triumvirate.

Just to make sure Ron Paul doesn't get the votes of the disenchanted Christian base, the country's behind-the-scene string-pullers leaned on Evangelical "leaders" to turn their base into the direction the string-pullers favored: Mike Huckabee, a total unknown who had even less name recognition than Ron Paul in the first two debates of the season. (Naturally, any references to "string-pullers" and "the CFR" in this article are purely fictitious and are not intended to impugn the reputation or motives of any actually existing individuals or organizations.)

The groomed him and groomed him, with CFR president Richard Haass at the helm of his team of advisers, until he became the establishment's overnight sensation who was able to run in third place behind "McRomney" - after Rudy jumped the sinking ship.

Huck's role was that of spoiler, to draw votes away from both Romney and Paul so that McCain, the most pliable of the candidates who toed the "stay in Iraq forever" line, could become the front runner.

But, the equation didn't quite work out that way

In the aftermath of the Super-Tuesday carnage, there remained a distinct possibility of a brokered convention that would have left the back door open for Ron Paul to emerge as the exclusive winner.

That could not be tolerated!

It now became imperative to make Romney withdraw and present all of his delegates to McCain so that McCain can become the undisputed winner of the required 1191 delegates needed to cinch the nomination for him. That means, of course, that Huckabee will have to give his delegates up as well, just to make sure. Accordingly, expect a similar withdrawal announcement from Huckabee in the near future.

Naturally, that will leave only Ron Paul on the ticket to oppose McCain. The "Last Man Standing" scenario described in the previous article on that topic definitely appears to be coming true.

The Big Question is: What Does that Mean?

Does it necessarily mean that McCain (the man who blocked all efforts to get our POW/MIA soldiers out of Vietnam so they wouldn't reveal that he ratted them out to the communists), will "cinch" the GOP nomination?

No. It doesn't.

The reason is that delegates who were, by their state's GOP party rules, forced to cast their vote for Romney as the candidate who won the popular vote in that state are now free agents. Their contract of servitude has just been canceled. They now can vote for whoever they want at the convention.

To "cinch" the nomination, McCain will still have to win enough delegates in future primaries to gain his total of 1191 delegates that he needs to win.

If Huck indeed jumps ship, future voters will have to make a stark choice: Vote for McCain, the GOP candidate whom most conservative heavyweights like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter detest for his liberal Democrat-leaning votes during his Senate career - or for Ron Paul, who from the beginning was the only candidate with true, sterling, and unassailable conservative credentials?

In essence, their dilemma will be this: Elect a liberal war monger - or a hard-core conservative non-interventionist and impeccable constitutionalist?

It will be the first time in this and the last century that American conservatives will have the chance to make a real choice in a presidential election.

God does work in funny ways, as they say.

But let's say Huck stays in the race, just to make sure that conservatives will not be confronted with that stark choice, just so they can still fool themselves into believing that there is a "third alternative." In that case, Huck will continue to draw votes - but this time he will draw them away form McCain instead of Romney.

If Huckabee is really running for McCain's veep position, that will make McCain a bit uncomfortable about this possible choice. Not ideal, to say the least - and fraught with big dangers. Meanwhile, Ron Paul's volunteer army can quietly do their precinct walks and whatever else they do so well to get their candidate enough votes to get him to their brokered convention.

Tough choice for the folks at the CFR. Very tough. You almost feel bad for them.

Their problem is that Ron Paul doesn't take marching orders. Not from them, not from anyone else. Never has, never will. That's precisely why he must not win - at least in the book of those who think they (still) run this country.

History, however, may well be in the process of rewriting that 'book' for them.

It is utterly revealing that Romney expressly bowed out for the purpose of making sure that the nominee will be one of the other war mongers of the CFR-trained GOP. He said:

"If I fight on in my campaign, all the way to the convention, I would forestall the launch of a national campaign and make it more likely that Senator Clinton or Obama would win. And in this time of war, I simply cannot let my campaign be a part of aiding a surrender to terror," (Emphasis mine)

Naturally, Romney knows that, in spite of their rhetoric of late, neither of the two Democrats will withdraw from Iraq once he or she gets elected. They are as beholden to the CFR's internationalist agenda as McCain and Huckabee are - so at whom was that remark really directed?

You guessed it. None other than Ron Paul. And that shows how utterly panicked the establishment is by the mere thought of a possible brokered convention. Romney obediently agreed to waste all of the millions and millions of his own dollars he blew on his campaign, just to make sure that this elitist nightmare called "Ron Paul" and his constitutionalist "revolution" will never see even the sliver of a chance to make it to the GOP convention.

Vote Ron Paul.

Sean Martin
February 8th, 2008, 11:14 PM
Re Mike

What do you think about Ron as VP? Even if it is to McCain?

Jett Rink
February 8th, 2008, 11:21 PM
Re Mike

What do you think about Ron as VP? Even if it is to McCain?

Ron Paul coming from behind to win the nomination while simultaneously buying the lone winning Superball lotto ticket has a better chance of happening than McCain choosing RP as a running mate.

Mike Mazzone of Palatine
February 8th, 2008, 11:38 PM
Re Mike

What do you think about Ron as VP? Even if it is to McCain?

McCain did say he missed Paul the next debate after the one where Fox excluded him. McCain also hired an economic adviser who is going to vote for Paul for president even if he has to write him in. McCain can also just step down, that's how Ford became pres.
Ron Paul coming from behind to win the nomination while simultaneously buying the lone winning Superball lotto ticket has a better chance of happening than McCain choosing RP as a running mate.
If McCain picks Jeb Bush as a running mate, which has been an idea promoted by the media since 2005, Hillary and Obama will win the election. However, McCain just might not do that. We'll see what happens after the convention. Ron Paul will certainly be there. All our support and donations didn't go to a quitter.

http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2008/02/message-from-ro.html

This revolution is permanent.

Mike Jahn
December 5th, 2008, 03:47 AM
McCain did say he missed Paul the next debate after the one where Fox excluded him. McCain also hired an economic adviser who is going to vote for Paul for president even if he has to write him in. McCain can also just step down, that's how Ford became pres.

If McCain picks Jeb Bush as a running mate, which has been an idea promoted by the media since 2005, Hillary and Obama will win the election. However, McCain just might not do that. We'll see what happens after the convention. Ron Paul will certainly be there. All our support and donations didn't go to a quitter.http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2008/02/message-from-ro.html

This revolution is permanent.

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