Looks that way to me. Edgar and I quote:

"Erich Gliebe is the new Chairman and his organizational ability is reflected in the unswerving loyalty apparent in so many of the NA's more active members. Kevin Strom serves as a strong and capable anchor for the weekly broadcast formerly handled personally by Dr. Pierce."

I used to like Edgar; I think he is getting "long in the tooth".

[QUOTE=Augustus Sutter] Edgar and I quote:

"Erich Gliebe is the new Chairman and his organizational ability is reflected in the unswerving loyalty apparent in so many of the NA's more active members. ...[/QUOTE]

That's really pretty funny. Notice the quote limits loyality to "more active members." That is a bit like saying the more active members of the Bush administration are loyal to Bush. :D
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The real question is how many members have become inactive or let their membership lapse.
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"A strong man is strongest when he stands alone." A Hitler
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Doctor Pierce stood alone and did not make alliances with even those he trusted and respected.
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Gliebe makes alliances with everyone. A weak man tries to appear strong by standing with a group.

How well does Edgar even know the NA, Augustus?

Check this part:

Mind you, I am not an NA member, except in spirit. My effectiveness, both as an attorney and as a writer, is enhanced by being independent of any political group.

Steele might just be keeping the lines open to as many groups as he can. He's said good things about militia groups too but never joined one so far as I know.

okiewonmuskogee:

"The real question is how many members have become inactive or let their membership lapse"

Lot's.
I quit paying my dues before Gliebe was elected Chairman.
While there are a few members left from the "old" crowd there were also quite a few new members that had joined the NA right before Dr. Pierce passed on....Many of those new members were sorta "lost". Mainly because they had no membership handbook due to the fact that supposedly it was to be "revised".
As far as I know that never took place hence these new members were left without a handbook and unaware of a lot of the NA's policy on many important issues......Some of them I am told were able to obtain a handbook that were donated by other members. Not all the new members though were able to get their hands on one.....and although they did have access to the NA's web site still that does not detail ALL of the issues pertaining to the NA's policy....at least not like the handbook did.
I spoke with a few folks that I knew myself that were new members after Gliebe was elected........
They complained about still not having a handbook...........when I questioned them about important issues pertaining to the NA they seemed to be very CLUELESS and I would say probably they still are.

[QUOTE=Aryan88]okiewonmuskogee:

"The real question is how many members have become inactive or let their membership lapse"

Lot's.
I quit paying my dues before Gliebe was elected Chairman.
While there are a few members left from the "old" crowd there were also quite a few new members that had joined the NA right before Dr. Pierce passed on....Many of those new members were sorta "lost". Mainly because they had no membership handbook due to the fact that supposedly it was to be "revised".
As far as I know that never took place hence these new members were left without a handbook and unaware of a lot of the NA's policy on many important issues......Some of them I am told were able to obtain a handbook that were donated by other members. Not all the new members though were able to get their hands on one.....and although they did have access to the NA's web site still that does not detail ALL of the issues pertaining to the NA's policy....at least not like the handbook did.
I spoke with a few folks that I knew myself that were new members after Gliebe was elected........
They complained about still not having a handbook...........when I questioned them about important issues pertaining to the NA they seemed to be very CLUELESS and I would say probably they still are.[/QUOTE]
Well, I did my part of producing a new Membership Handbook for the NA, right before Erich split the staff apart. There wasn't a coded copy, so I took Dr. Pierce's Membership Handbook and a page of changes that Dr. Pierce wanted made, and I typed up an electronic text version of the Membership Handbook.

That e-text was formatted so that it could have been sent to a printing company with artwork for the cover, and a new Membership Handbook could have been available within about two months.

But this wasn't OK with Erich Glibe. He wanted to make further changes, especially deleting some references to Christianity, in order to make the NA more palatable to a wider spectrum of people. In fact, I asked him once whether we were actually changing our ideology or tricking the Christians, and he said "Mostly the latter" (telephone conversation). Gliebe also didn't want me to finish the job that I'd begun. He wanted his girlfriend to do it, instead.

Remember, this was before Gliebe fired Fred and Marta, and provoked Jeff Cotton, Hadding Scott, and me into picking up our stuff and getting the hell out. The S had not HTF yet. So there I was, a fellow who had produced four books for the NA already, and Gliebe wasn't going to take advantage of my proven ability, but preferred to cut his GF in on the action so she could say her fingers were in important pies. But before she could do the job, Erich offended her (I've been told he lifted a skirt that a different woman was wearing), so she just quit. And by that time, I wasn't around anymore.

So Gliebe's goofy gangsters still haven't produced a handbook?

Jerry Abbott

Edgar Steele said: "Mind you, I am not an NA member, except in spirit. My effectiveness, both as an attorney and as a writer, is enhanced by being independent of any political group."

Mr. Steele's refusal to join the National Alliance keeps him from falling under its authority, and he knows it. Were he an NA member, Gliebe or Strom could control what he said in public regarding their organization or its policies, and Steele would have no choice but to obey. In short, he'd become subordinate to Gliebe and Strom, two individuals I have no doubt he feels intellectually and socially superior to. Thus, he politely declines membership in the NA so he can maintain his superior status to Gliebe and Strom, even while he benefits from his loose association with them. For him, membership in the NA is basically for followers, not leaders, as Steele's rejection of NA membership strongly suggests. Steele wants - and in fact eats up - the sycophantic worship of him by NA's top leadership.

Did Mr. Steele sign the N.O.P.?

[QUOTE=FranzJoseph]How well does Edgar even know the NA, Augustus?

Check this part:



Steele might just be keeping the lines open to as many groups as he can. He's said good things about militia groups too but never joined one so far as I know.[/QUOTE]

How could he make such a statement when all of Dr. Pierce's most trusted associates have labeled Gliebe a criminal, coward and a drooling retard. He praises Dr. Pierce on one hand and praises the the Scum who have ruined his organization on the other. Ample evidence has been presented by Hadding, Jerry, Will, Fred, Billy as to Gliebe's character and what he is up to and Steele lavishes praise on him? His essay stinks. As for that NOP, we all know that is a load of manure. What's next some Jew-boy will start calling himself a white nationalist and therefore we can't criticize him?

dont make too much out of this, the guy is pro-White, he's an asset for sure.

[QUOTE=Jenab]He wanted to make further changes, especially deleting some references to Christianity, in order to make the NA more palatable to a wider spectrum of people. In fact, I asked him once whether we were actually changing our ideology or tricking the Christians, and he said "Mostly the latter" (telephone conversation). [/QUOTE]

There's an idea. kikes been tricking Christians for 2,000 years, though it sometimes seem that Christians trick themselves for the benefit of kikery, something they're less likely to do for the benefit of NA.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]dont make too much out of this, the guy is pro-White, he's an asset for sure.[/QUOTE]

Gliebe is ostensibly pro-white also. Is he an asset? This is more of the lovey-dovey lets not criticize anyone who says they are pro-white. No one is beyond criticism and nothing anyone says is not subject to criticism. Me, I don't think the NA or Gliebe deserve any praise. I think anyone who plays up the NA or Gliebe deserves scrutiny and criticism, regardless of whether they are pro-white or not. I don't want anyone else being duped into sending their money to these scumbags. Jews fight amongst themselves but they all know what is good for Jews. The same is true for whites.

[QUOTE=Jenab]Well, I did my part of producing a new Membership Handbook for the NA, right before Erich split the staff apart. There wasn't a coded copy, so I took Dr. Pierce's Membership Handbook and a page of changes that Dr. Pierce wanted made, and I typed up an electronic text version of the Membership Handbook.

That e-text was formatted so that it could have been sent to a printing company with artwork for the cover, and a new Membership Handbook could have been available within about two months.

But this wasn't OK with Erich Glibe. He wanted to make further changes, especially deleting some references to Christianity, in order to make the NA more palatable to a wider spectrum of people. In fact, I asked him once whether we were actually changing our ideology or tricking the Christians, and he said "Mostly the latter" (telephone conversation). Gliebe also didn't want me to finish the job that I'd begun. He wanted his girlfriend to do it, instead.

Remember, this was before Gliebe fired Fred and Marta, and provoked Jeff Cotton, Hadding Scott, and me into picking up our stuff and getting the hell out. The S had not HTF yet. So there I was, a fellow who had produced four books for the NA already, and Gliebe wasn't going to take advantage of my proven ability, but preferred to cut his GF in on the action so she could say her fingers were in important pies. But before she could do the job, Erich offended her (I've been told he lifted a skirt that a different woman was wearing), so she just quit. And by that time, I wasn't around anymore.

So Gliebe's goofy gangsters still haven't produced a handbook?

Jerry Abbott[/QUOTE]




No the last I heard they had not, but that doesn't surprise me one bit.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]dont make too much out of this, the guy is pro-White, he's an asset for sure.[/QUOTE]





You gotta be kidding me!!

You really don't believe that just because someone is PRO-WHITE that they are an asset do you?! lol lol :D I just can't imagine that you woud seriously believe that!

He's an ASSET alright: ASS-SET/ He needs to have his ass laid out on the ground somewhere.........
Hell I'm a female but I'd be willing to help..........lol I guess this is where I'm suppose to say that I am kidding for all the non-violent freaks out there.

[QUOTE=Aryan88]You gotta be kidding me!!

You really don't believe that just because someone is PRO-WHITE that they are an asset do you?! ........[/QUOTE]

Did I say that? No. I say Steele is pro white and he is an asset. I certainly didnt say one word about Gleebe or the NA under his watch. Dont put words in my mouth.

[QUOTE=Jenab]Well, I did my part of producing a new Membership Handbook for the NA, right before Erich split the staff apart. There wasn't a coded copy, so I took Dr. Pierce's Membership Handbook and a page of changes that Dr. Pierce wanted made, and I typed up an electronic text version of the Membership Handbook.

That e-text was formatted so that it could have been sent to a printing company with artwork for the cover, and a new Membership Handbook could have been available within about two months.

But this wasn't OK with Erich Glibe. He wanted to make further changes, especially deleting some references to Christianity, in order to make the NA more palatable to a wider spectrum of people. In fact, I asked him once whether we were actually changing our ideology or tricking the Christians, and he said "Mostly the latter" (telephone conversation). Gliebe also didn't want me to finish the job that I'd begun. He wanted his girlfriend to do it, instead.

Remember, this was before Gliebe fired Fred and Marta, and provoked Jeff Cotton, Hadding Scott, and me into picking up our stuff and getting the hell out. The S had not HTF yet. So there I was, a fellow who had produced four books for the NA already, and Gliebe wasn't going to take advantage of my proven ability, but preferred to cut his GF in on the action so she could say her fingers were in important pies. But before she could do the job, Erich offended her (I've been told he lifted a skirt that a different woman was wearing), so she just quit. And by that time, I wasn't around anymore.

So Gliebe's goofy gangsters still haven't produced a handbook?

Jerry Abbott[/QUOTE]


Jerry:

Do you still have the e-text version, and if so, could you make it available online? While I havent paid my dues since February, as I was contemplating dropping out with all this shit getting worse and worse, and I have finally decided not to pay any dues at all, mostly due to the NOP and other silly shit the NA is getting involved in, I would still like to have a member handbook from Dr. Pierce's day, as I somehow lost mine in a move from Texas about five years ago.

Thanks,

John

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Did I say that? No. I say Steele is pro white and he is an asset. I certainly didnt say one word about Gleebe or the NA under his watch. Dont put words in my mouth.[/QUOTE]




:rolleyes: Seems like that IS what you said!

You guys miss the mark. Steele is an attorney and so by default brings great credibility to WN ideology. That he praises an NA person is nothing serious.

What is serious is that so many WNs jump on anyone who doesn't follow some 'official' WN line.



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[QUOTE=Franco]
What is serious is that so many WNs jump on anyone who doesn't follow some 'official' WN line.
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Pot, meet kettle (referring to this forum as a whole). That kind of thing goes both ways.

Pot, meet kettle (referring to this forum as a whole). That kind of thing goes both ways.

There is far more hypocrisy on Stormfront than on this forum, and that is why the mods there are so ruthless in silencing that basic fact.

[QUOTE=Augustus Sutter]He praises Dr. Pierce on one hand and praises the the Scum who have ruined his organization on the other. Ample evidence has been presented by Hadding, Jerry, Will, Fred, Billy as to Gliebe's character and what he is up to and Steele lavishes praise on him? [/QUOTE]

I'm guessing both politeness and a bit of craftiness.

Gliebe isn't forever. Steele might be looking to keep his lines open to the organization. Leaders come and go, keep them happy like Nixon did Mao and wait till they die and better hands come on deck.

I could be wrong but Steele don't strike me as especially gullible or stupid. He has guts. And he's also still a bit new to WN. It's still wait-and-see time for Edgar. Don't count him out just yet.

[QUOTE=Karl Ramstrom]There is far more hypocrisy on Stormfront than on this forum, and that is why the mods there are so ruthless in silencing that basic fact.[/QUOTE]
They have some problems with having too many new people who haven't yet lived up (or even decided to live up) to progressing on the learning curve.

Our White movement is plagued by a lot of problems, but on the plus side- there are a lot of us in North America and Europe, and our basic ideas
- mostly via the internet, at this time- are getting 'not too bad' coverage in an 'aboveground/underground' sort of way.

[QUOTE=Franco]You guys miss the mark. Steele is an attorney and so by default brings great credibility to WN ideology. That he praises an NA person is nothing serious.

What is serious is that so many WNs jump on anyone who doesn't follow some 'official' WN line.



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I am speaking for myself only.
Attorneys don't automatically lend credibility. I personally rank lawyers with used car salesman, politicians and grifters - which is to say I hate them. They are the largest group of organized parasites in this country, Jews also have to be disproportionately represented amongst their ranks. They produce nothing all they do is take. That being said there is a small minority of them that are the not the parasitic shit-weasels I love to hate. Steele from what I have read about him appears to be one of these rare lawyers, and in fact I hold him in high regard. Many others also hold him in high regard so when he makes such an obviously false statement like: "The National Alliance (NA) seems stronger than ever. Indeed, the need for the National Alliance is greater than ever" or "Erich Gliebe is the new Chairman and his organizational ability is reflected in the unswerving loyalty apparent in so many of the NA's more active members. Kevin Strom serves as a strong and capable anchor for the weekly broadcast formerly handled personally by Dr. Pierce." I don't consider it to be some casual blandishment. It has been known for quite some time he has been cozying up to Gliebe and the NA. I consider the NA to be an obstacle to WN - literally an enemy of WN. Others have suggested he is thinking this or that or maybe he has a strategy. I don't know what he is thinking nor do I care to try and read his mind. I only go by what he said. Period. Lawyers spend a lifetime learning how to parse what they say into into 10 different shades of grey so that they have really said nothing at all. What he said about Gliebe and Strom looked pretty straightforward to me.

[QUOTE=JohnAFlynn]Jerry:

Do you still have the e-text version, and if so, could you make it available online? While I havent paid my dues since February, as I was contemplating dropping out with all this shit getting worse and worse, and I have finally decided not to pay any dues at all, mostly due to the NOP and other silly shit the NA is getting involved in, I would still like to have a member handbook from Dr. Pierce's day, as I somehow lost mine in a move from Texas about five years ago.

Thanks,

John[/QUOTE]
I had an e-text copy until Shaun Walker met me near the main office building and threatened me with National Vanguard Books copyright interests against my "adverse possession" of NVB copyrighted material. (It didn't make the slightest difference that much of that material would not exist if I had not put it together.) Shaun was trying to browbeat out of me a copy of the National Vanguard Books Catalog #20 (which I created in 2002). There was a strong hint that the NA might overlook my transgressions if I handed over the etext for that catalog. Pretending to go along, I accepted a CD to write it on, then when I got back to my house I destroyed all material in which National Vanguard Books might be presumed to have an interest. Sorry, John. If the Gliebe gang ever vacates the NA in favor of responsible leadership, I will return as free labor and prepare a new etext.

Jerry Abbott

After reading his last essay I understand his position better. He is not out campaigning for that drooling idiot, just being diplomatic I suppose. As much as I hate Lawyers I like Steele.