View Full Version : Women: Why are they so irrational?
ErikD
08-15-2004, 11:36 PM
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Honey, you will be here for the next few lifetimes if you want the full explanation to that.
The short answer: hormones.
The long answer: it's a jewish plot to make men's lives miserable.
Hope that cleared things up for you. :p
Bragi
08-15-2004, 11:48 PM
I am not going to risk trying to explain the irrationality of our fellow women, rather I will refer you to Schopenhauer's famous essay On Women.
It is rather misogynistic and there are those who think Schopenhauer may have been a little light in his loafers if you catch my drift. Whatever the case may be, his essay sheds a great deal of light on the psyche of the typical woman. It follows (abridged). I don't agree with everything he says but it's quite a well known treatise on girls.
http://www.heretical.com/miscella/nurse.jpg
The nature of the female
One needs only to see the way she is built to realize that woman is not intended for great mental or for great physical labor. She expiates the guilt of life not through activity but through suffering, through the pains of childbirth, caring for the child and subjection to the man, to whom she should be a patient and cheering companion. Great suffering, joy, exertion, is not for her: her life should flow by more quietly, trivially, gently than the man's without being essentially happier or unhappier.
Women are suited to being the nurses and teachers of our earliest childhood precisely because they themselves are childish, silly and short-sighted, in a word big children, their whole lives long: a kind of intermediate stage between the child and the man, who is the actual human being, man. One has only to watch a girl playing with a child, dancing and singing with it the whole day, and then ask oneself what, with the best will in the world, a man could do in her place.
Natural weapons
In the girl nature has had in view what could in theatrical terms be called a stage-effect: it has provided her with superabundant beauty and charm for a few years at the expense of the whole remainder of her life, so that during these years she may so capture the imagination of a man that he is carried away into undertaking to support her honorably in some form or another for the rest of her life, a step he would seem hardly likely to take for purely rational considerations. Thus nature has equipped women, as it has all its creatures, with the tools and weapons she needs for securing her existence, and at just the time she needs them; in doing which nature has acted with its usual economy. For just as the female ant loses its wings after mating, since they are then superfluous, indeed harmful to the business of raising the family, so the woman usually loses her beauty after one or two childbeds, and probably for the same reason.
Female truth
The fundamental defect of the female character is a lack of a sense of justice. This originates first and foremost in their want of rationality and capacity for reflexion but it is strengthened by the fact that, as the weaker sex, they are driven to rely not on force but on cunning: hence their instinctive subtlety and their ineradicable tendency to tell lies: for, as nature has equipped the lion with claws and teeth, the elephant with tusks, the wild boar with fangs, the bull with horns and the cuttlefish with ink, so it has equipped woman with the power of dissimulation as her means of attack and defence, and has transformed into this gift all the strength it has bestowed on man in the form of physical strength and the power of reasoning. Dissimulation is thus inborn in her and consequently to be found in the stupid woman almost as often as in the clever one. To make use of it at every opportunity is as natural to her as it is for an animal to employ its means of defence whenever it is attacked, and when she does so she feels that to some extent she is only exercising her rights. A completely truthful woman who does not practice dissimulation is perhaps an impossibility, which is why women see through the dissimulation of others so easily it is inadvisable to attempt it with them. But this fundamental defect which I have said they possess, together with all that is associated with it, gives rise to falsity, unfaithfulness, treachery, ingratitude, etc. Women are guilty of perjury far more often than men. It is questionable whether they ought to be allowed to take an oath at all.
Feminine charms
Only a male intellect clouded by the sexual drive could call the stunted, narrow-shouldered, broad-hipped and short-legged sex the fair sex: for it is with this drive that all its beauty is bound up. More fittingly than the fair sex, women could be called the unaesthetic sex. Neither for music, nor poetry, nor the plastic arts do they possess any real feeling or receptivity: if they affect to do so, it is merely mimicry in service of their effort to please. This comes from the fact that they are incapable of taking a purely objective interest in anything whatever, and the reason for this is, I think, as follows. Man strives in everything for a direct domination over things, either by comprehending or by subduing them. But woman is everywhere and always relegated to a merely indirect domination, which is achieved by means of man, who is consequently the only thing she has to dominate directly. Thus it lies in the nature of women to regard everything simply as a means of capturing a man, and their interest in anything else is only simulated, is no more than a detour, i.e. amounts to coquetry and mimicry.
Absence of genius
Nor can one expect anything else from women if one considers that the most eminent heads of the entire sex have proved incapable of a single truly great, genuine and original achievement in art, or indeed of creating anything at all of lasting value: this strikes one most forcibly in regard to painting, since they are just as capable of mastering its technique as we are, and indeed paint very busily, yet cannot point to a single great painting; the reason being precisely that they lack all objectivity of mind, which is what painting demands above all else. Isolated and partial exceptions do not alter the case: women, taken as a whole, are and remain thorough and incurable philistines: so that, with the extremely absurd arrangement by which they share the rank and title of their husband, they are a continual spur to his ignoble ambitions. They are sexus sequior, the inferior second sex in every respect: one should be indulgent toward their weaknesses, but to pay them honour is ridiculous beyond measure and demeans us even in their eyes.
Insipid women-veneration
This is how the peoples of antiquity and of the Orient have regarded women; they have recognized what is the proper position for women far better than we have, we with our Old French gallantry and insipid women-veneration, that highest flower of Christian-Germanic stupidity which has served only to make women so rude and arrogant that one is sometimes reminded of the sacred apes of Benares which, conscious of their own sanctity and inviolability, thought themselves at liberty to do whatever they pleased.
Monogamy and 'filles de joie'
In our monogamous part of the world, to marry means to halve one's rights and double one's duties. But when the law conceded women equal rights with men it should at the same time have endowed them with masculine reasoning powers. What is actually the case is that the more those rights and privileges the law accords to women exceed those which are natural to them, the more it reduces the number of women who actually participate in these benefits; and then the remainder are deprived of their natural rights by just the amount these few receive in excess of theirs: for, because of the unnaturally privileged position enjoyed by women as a consequence of monogamy and the marriage laws accompanying it, which regard women as entirely equal to men (which they are in no respect), prudent and cautious men very often hesitate before making so great a sacrifice as is involved in entering into so inequitable a contract; so that while among polygamous peoples every woman gets taken care of, among the monogamous the number of married women is limited and there remains over a quantity of unsupported women who, in the upper classes, vegetate on as useless old maids, and in the lower are obligated to undertake laborious work they are constitutionally unfitted for or become filles de joie, whose lives are as devoid of joie as they are of honour but who, given the prevailing circumstances, are necessary for the gratification of the male sex and therefore come to constitute a recognized class, with the specific task of preserving the virtue of those women more favoured by fate who have found a man to support them or may reasonably hope to find one. There are 80,000 prostitutes in London alone: and what are they if not sacrifices on the altar of monogamy? These poor women are the inevitable counterpart and natural complement to the European lady, with all her arrogance and pretension. For the female sex viewed as a whole polygamy is therefore a real benefit; on the other hand there appears no rational ground why a man whose wife suffers from a chronic illness, or has remained unfruitful, or has gradually grown too old for him, should not take a second.
Bragi
08-15-2004, 11:49 PM
No argument about polygamy
There can be no argument about polygamy: it is a fact to be met with everywhere and the only question is how to regulate it. For who is really a monogamist? We all live in polygamy, at least for a time and usually for good. Since every man needs many women, there could be nothing more just than that he should be free, indeed obliged, to support many women. This would also mean the restoration of woman to her rightful and natural position, the subordinate one, and the abolition from the world of the lady, with her ridiculous claims to respect and veneration; there would then be only women, and no longer unhappy women, of which Europe is at present full.
Property and inheritance
In India, no woman is ever independent, but in accordance with the law of Manu, she stands under the control of her father, her husband, her brother or her son. It is, to be sure, a revolting thing that a widow should immolate herself upon her husband's funeral pyre; but it is also revolting that she should spend her husband's money with her paramours the money for which he toiled his whole life long, in the consoling belief that he was providing for his children. Happy are those who have kept the middle course medium tenuere beati.
In almost all nations, whether of the ancient or the modern world, even amongst the Hottentots, property is inherited by the male descendants alone; it is only in Europe that a departure has taken place; but not amongst the nobility, however.
That the property which has cost men long years of toil and effort, and been won with so much difficulty, should afterwards come into the hands of women, who then, in their lack of reason, squander it in a short time, or otherwise fool it away, is a grievance and a wrong as serious as it is common, which should be prevented by limiting the right of women to inherit. In my opinion, the best arrangement would be that by which women, whether widows or daughters, should never receive anything beyond the interest for life on property secured by mortgage, and in no case the property itself, or the capital, except when there cease to be male descendants. The people who make money are men, not women; and it follows from this that women are neither justified in having unconditional possession of it, nor fit persons to be entrusted with its administration. When wealth, in any true sense of the word, that is to say, funds, houses or land, is to go to them as an inheritance they should never be allowed the free disposition of it. In their case a guardian should always be appointed; and hence they should never be given the free control of their own children, wherever it can be avoided.
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Anima Eternae
08-15-2004, 11:51 PM
has provided her with superabundant beauty and charm for a few years at the expense of the whole remainder of her life
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. Women are beautiful from their teens to their late 30's and maybe early's 40's, and that's it. Look how many women still want to fuck Pierce Brosanan and he's well over fifty. How many men do you know want to fuck Bea Arthur?
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Stan Sikorski
08-15-2004, 11:54 PM
Women are women - That's what I've learned in the last 39 years on this planet. Treat them as such - learned in the last 10.
For just as the female ant loses its wings after mating, since they are then superfluous, indeed harmful to the business of raising the family, so the woman usually loses her beauty after one or two childbeds, and probably for the same reason.
Now that is a good one! So true! (As if I needed any more reasons to not want kids, lol).
Excellent essay. I got a great laugh out of it.
Schopenhauer is a bit long-winded for me, I prefer Nietzsche's viewpoint;
Everything about woman is a riddle, and everything about woman has one solution: it is called pregnancy
[QUOTE=AK*]Schopenhauer is a bit long-winded for me, I prefer Nietzsche's viewpoint;
Everything about woman is a riddle, and everything about woman has one solution: it is called pregnancy [/QUOTE]Damn AK, that was harsh. And, damn Nietzsche too. He was just upset that he couldn't come up with any other explanation for women. :p
[QUOTE=hilareth]Damn AK, that was harsh. And, damn Nietzsche too. He was just upset that he couldn't come up with any other explanation for women. :p[/QUOTE]
Au contraire mon cherie', the most obnoxious, bitchy, psycho-babes become sweethearts when pregnant, and the wackiest pierced wild women become models of stability and charm.
I won't name any examples of pierced wild women :)
[QUOTE=AK*]Au contraire mon cherie', the most obnoxious, bitchy, psycho-babes become sweethearts when pregnant, and the wackiest pierced wild women become models of stability and charm.
I won't name any examples of pierced wild women :)[/QUOTE]*looks shocked* But, I've heard from all of my guy friends who've gotten girls pregnant that the girls are absolute bitches when they're pregnant, and pretty much ever after. I've never heard a single one say that their woman became better tempered..... Maybe they just didn't do something right? :confused:
Ossian
08-16-2004, 01:24 AM
[QUOTE=ErikD]Does anyone have a thesis to explain their lunacy?
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Sure. You need look no further the men they have to live with: men who don't even begin to master themselves, let alone their women.
Can anyone explain the lunacy of men? For evidence look no further than this forum. Men not without some good ideas, but men who can't or won't enact most of the best of them because they're too busy ... competing for the Biggest Asshole Award. Or something.
"In brief, she assumed that, being a man, I was vain to the point of imbecility, and this assumption was correct, as it always is."
"A man may be an ass and not know it, but not if he is married."
"The woman who has not had a child remains incomplete, ill at ease, and more than a little ridiculous. She is in the position of a man who has never stood in battle; she has missed the most colossal experience of her sex."
"A man always blames the woman who fools him. In the same way he blames the door he walks into in the dark."
"The truth is that neither sex, without some fertilization by the complementary characters of the other, is capable of the highest reaches of human endeavor. Man, without a saving touch of woman in him, is too doltish, too naive and romantic, too easily deluded and lulled to sleep by his imagination to be anything above a cavalryman, a theologian or a stock-broker. And woman, without some trace of that divine innocence which is masculine, is too harshly the realist for those vast projections of the fancy which lie at the heart of what we call genius. Here, as elsewhere in the universe, the best effects are obtained by a mingling of elements. "
"What men, in their egoism, constantly mistake for a deficiency of intelligence in woman is merely an incapacity for mastering that mass of small intellectual tricks...which constitutes the chief mental equipment of the average male. A man thinks that he is more intelligent than his wife because he can add up a column of figures more accurately, and because he understands the imbecile jargon of the stock market, and because he is able to distinguish between the ideas of rival politicians, and because he is privy to the minutiae of some sordid and degrading business or profession, say soap-selling or the law."
"Women decide the larger questions of life correctly and quickly, not because they are lucky guessers, not because they practise a magic inherited from savagery, but simply and solely because they have sense. They see at a glance what most men could not see with searchlights and telescopes... They are the supreme realists of the race. "
--H.L. Mencken
"No man knows what he is doing when he soothes the fire of his loins in a woman's belly."
--Savitri Devi
western-nationalist
08-16-2004, 01:37 AM
All VNNer's should read the article "Why females prefer Immigrant males" on that website.
[QUOTE=hilareth]*looks shocked* But, I've heard from all of my guy friends who've gotten girls pregnant that the girls are absolute bitches when they're pregnant,
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Were these guys that immediately left town upon hearing the news?
[QUOTE=hilareth]
and pretty much ever after. I've never heard a single one say that their woman became better tempered..... Maybe they just didn't do something right? :confused:[/QUOTE]
If I can figure out some way to rescue you from the evil clutches of the infamous Modly, I will gladly impregnate you to prove my point ;)
Georgie
08-16-2004, 01:48 AM
[QUOTE=western-nationalist]All VNNer's should read the article "Why females prefer Immigrant males" on that website.[/QUOTE]
Could you post the link I cant find it anywhere.
[QUOTE=AK*]Were these guys that immediately left town upon hearing the news?
[/quote]Surprisingly, no. These all stuck around. In at least four of the situations, it was the girl who picked up and ran off.
If I can figure out some way to rescue you from the evil clutches of the infamous Modly, I will gladly impregnate you to prove my point ;)Just remember, my cats are attack cats. They will bite. :p
[QUOTE=hilareth]Surprisingly, no. These all stuck around. In at least four of the situations, it was the girl who picked up and ran off.
Just remember, my cats are attack cats. They will bite. :p[/QUOTE]
Nonsense, cats love me, and when they notice me making you purr, they will realize I am a not-to-be-bitten biped :)
TylerD
08-16-2004, 02:05 AM
[QUOTE=Georgie]Could you post the link I cant find it anywhere.[/QUOTE]
Here you go Georgie:
http://www.heretical.com/sheppard/wfpim.html
British&Proud
08-16-2004, 12:12 PM
Women are definitely fucking irrational! I was down this bar a couple of weeks back and these two girls came up to me, one of them said her mate liked me, but wouldn't approach me by herself as she was shy. This girl asked for my number and the one that fancied me gave me hers.
The next day i text this girl to see if she fancy hooking up, it turned out she had given me her mates number (fuck knows why) her mate gave me her real number and said that i should text her, which i did. But i didnt hear anything back.
About a few days later this girls mate rang me and said why had i been texting her mate, to which i said why the fuck did you want my number in the first place and the silly cow hung up.
Why do women play these stupid little fucking games continues to amaze me.
Antiochus Epiphanes
08-16-2004, 12:20 PM
women are not necessarily bitchy when pregnant. some gals are happy to be pregnant.
women are different, that's all. their qualities come out in a domestic setting or in work which requires attention to detail. put them in places where their talents shine and curtail the opportunities for mischief. then stop worrying about them.
above all stop wanting them to be men. they arent, thank God.
[QUOTE=British&Proud]Women are definitely fucking irrational! I was down this bar a couple of weeks back and these two girls came up to me, ...
Why do women play these stupid little fucking games continues to amaze me.[/QUOTE]Well, my guess would be that since they were in a bar, they were probably drunk. If I were you, I would just cease having anything to do with either of them.
British&Proud
08-16-2004, 01:24 PM
[QUOTE=hilareth]Well, my guess would be that since they were in a bar, they were probably drunk. If I were you, I would just cease having anything to do with either of them.[/QUOTE]
I won't, i can only vaguely remember what they look like anyway.
Aryan88
08-16-2004, 02:31 PM
I'm a woman! What about men that can't be reasoned with? What would happen if you put an irrational woman with a man that can't be reasoned with together? :D That's something to think about.
T.Garrett
08-16-2004, 02:34 PM
[QUOTE=Aryan88]I'm a woman! What about men that can't be reasoned with? What would happen if you put an irrational woman with a man that can't be reasoned with together? :D That's something to think about.[/QUOTE]
We call that murder/suicide!
Cheers
TG
[QUOTE=Aryan88]I'm a woman! What about men that can't be reasoned with? What would happen if you put an irrational woman with a man that can't be reasoned with together? :D That's something to think about.[/QUOTE]Then you would have my parents. Make some popcorn and get out the video camera, there's a soap opera to shoot! :D
Aryan88
08-16-2004, 02:42 PM
[QUOTE=T.Garrett]We call that murder/suicide!
Cheers
TG[/QUOTE]
TG: lol :D
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