As a lurker, I see this forum has eroded to bitter infighting. This needs to stop. That includes the mods here that keep putting the negative National Alliance postings as stickys. If you disagree with another organization, just avoid them. Instead of showing hatred toward other organizations, show some love toward yours. If your not a member of any organization, promote your love for the white race. Simple isn’t it? You're not going to convince members of other organizations that their leadership is corrupt, criminal whatever, regardless if it is true or not.

Is it worth bashing other groups while the Jew and subhuman Negroid laughs at us about it? Think about who the real enemy is. Promote the positives of yourselves, and your groups, and your race instead of the negatives of others.

Politics is rough, racial politics are rougher. There is a campaign being waged under the surface of what you see as "infighting." There are efforts to take people in a direction that would be destructive if allowed to happen.
What you see isn't really just petty sniping between groups or ideologies, but an organism ridding itself of waste and foreign objects.

White Nationalism will accomplish nothing important as long as its voltage is being sapped by the short circuit that the NA has become. Erich Gliebe and his company are like evil electricians who created the short circuit and guard it against the good electricians who will fix it if they can.

[QUOTE=ed burgin]As a lurker, I see this forum has eroded to bitter infighting. This needs to stop. That includes the mods here that keep putting the negative National Alliance postings as stickys. If you disagree with another organization, just avoid them. Instead of showing hatred toward other organizations, show some love toward yours. If your not a member of any organization, promote your love for the white race. Simple isn’t it? You're not going to convince members of other organizations that their leadership is corrupt, criminal whatever, regardless if it is true or not.

Is it worth bashing other groups while the Jew and subhuman Negroid laughs at us about it? Think about who the real enemy is. Promote the positives of yourselves, and your groups, and your race instead of the negatives of others.[/QUOTE]

Those who assist our enemy are our enemy.

People in the movement know about your "Jew and subhuman Negroid" but many do not yet know about the obstacles to defeating them: Gliebe, Walker, Pringle, and their inner circle of clowns, whoremongers, and would-be populist politicans.

Vlad - "That ain't ever going to happen without a clean, fit, coherent movement"
response: you're correct.

Gunter88 -
Response: Please reread the first three words I typed. Also take a look at how many people have read the thread vs how many people have posted to it. Maybe 10% who read, post. There are a lot of lurkers out there who read but never post.

bryon -
Response: I agree, racial politics is rough. I try to avoid racial politics when I can.

Jenab -
Response: for the sake of discussion, the NA dissolves tomorrow. What then? There are vicious disagreements between groups who are not part of the National Alliance. I would simply ignore the NA and move on to advance the white race.

norcalnative1971 -
Response: I agree that survival of the white race is critical. (assuming you meant white race when you said Aryan) We must do what it takes to advance the white race and our wonderful white European cultures.

[QUOTE=gunter88]That's the way it works. Free speech all around![/QUOTE]

I am talking about what I think about the infighting. I'm just asking white people to remember who the real common enemy is. Nothing more. Nothing less.

[QUOTE=Vlad]Or ... let the blacks and other types of niggers laugh while we clean house. They won't be laughing when the old seaways start hauling the useless garbage out of White living space instead of just shipping crates. That ain't ever going to happen without a clean, fit, coherent movement.[/QUOTE]
What houses do you clean? When will the movement be completely clean? What is your dream anyway? Five pure Aryans in storm trooper outfits to lead the masses?

[QUOTE=Jenab]White Nationalism will accomplish nothing important as long as its voltage is being sapped by the short circuit that the NA has become. Erich Gliebe and his company are like evil electricians who created the short circuit and guard it against the good electricians who will fix it if they can.[/QUOTE]
The movement will have people like Gliebe and such as long as white people exist. Fighting them only zaps your strength better spent fighting Jews. The NA will either dissolve on it’s own or rebuild it’s self in a Christian light and become stronger than ever, and all the crying about it on VNNF won’t change anything.


Isn’t it ironic that when someone gives a call for the infighting to stop they are met with swift resistance. Franco gave a call for the infighting to cease and what happened his thread got turned to a flame thread.

To quote George Burdi
If this is the way my race ends then I can’t bear to witness.

[QUOTE=Vlad]No! I'm talking about the 980 million Christian Soldiers with Jesus Christ leading the way when He returns on Judgement Day. You of All People should Know This, DOC. I'm disappointed.[/QUOTE]
You are right, I am so embarrassed.

The point is, do you use your energy at this forum to fight the kike or to fight a WN who has habits you don't like maybe fights ineffective in your eyes.

I prefer to fight the kike.

I do not want to waste time against fellow WNs who have tattoo's/drink too much beer/are too fat/pray too much/whatever.

They are only a nuisance. The kike is the deadly enemy.

[SIZE=7]DESTROY THE KIKE WHORES.[/SIZE]

[QUOTE=norcalnative1971][SIZE=3]Gliebe is, of course, "rebuilding" Dr. Pierce's anti-Jew-Christian National Alliance into an umbrella group which accomodates Jew-Christian traitors such as yourself.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

What have I done to be a traitor against my race? What have you done for your race?

The NA will finally be able to be an organization that people can be proud of instead of a book club. With Christianity in the mix now the NA can go into politics and finally be a force. What was the divine plan of salvation the NA had under Pierce’s leadership? What was the method of attack? Sell copies of the Turner Diaries with hopes that someone would follow them and start a revolution based on Atheism and Paganism?

I saw good books and good Internet speeches but as far as action and an actual difference being made I saw absolutely nothing. Face it Dr Pierce nor KAS are the types that would get out in the street and march and physically fight for their race.

If you won’t fight with your fists then you are going to have to get into politics.

That is a fact deal with it.

[QUOTE=999]
I prefer to fight the kike.

I do not want to waste time against fellow WNs who have tattoo's/drink too much beer/are too fat/pray too much/whatever.

They are only a nuisance. The kike is the deadly enemy.

[SIZE=7]DESTROY THE KIKE WHORES.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
There is probably no more than 10 members on VNNF that hold that ideology. I have found that in actual activism it is much the same.

Paranoid delusions searching for troll or hoping to recreate the Turner Diaries. If that wasn’t enough then you get those strive on chaos and the more infighting the better. We have that with Momus.

Instead of crying about the NA on VNNF people should be either creating their organization or drive up to NA headquarters and tell them to their face.

It is easy to hide behind the keyboard and make net threats but actually doing something is a different story altogether.

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The jews did not just suddenly pop into our lands and take over while everyone slept blissfully in some Aryan wonderland.

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. There was NO willing treason among the Aryans. Just stupidity.

The thread with most posts here is a Poll against the NSM, for Adolf's sake. :mad:

WHY THE FUCK so much attention for a thread BASHING OUR FELLOW WHITE NATIONALISTS WHO ARE ACTIVELY FIGHTING THE KIKES???

The only thread against kikenvermin on this page is about kosher scam and it had only a few posts.

[QUOTE=999]
The only thread against kikenvermin on this page is about kosher scam and it had only a few posts.[/QUOTE]
Scroll through it and see how many posts are against fellow whites.


[QUOTE=Vlad]
The White christian evangelicals and wealthy WASP power structure allowed them in, wanted them in, controlling, changing things, screwing the rest of us over so they could all fatten their bank accounts at our expense.

Christians have betrayed their race in favor of their misguided, self-destructive mythology.

Without these betrayers, there would be no jew problem, no non-white problem in our lands that we wouldn't send our military and police to crush.
[/QUOTE]
So who was it the Jews or the Christians? You spend more time whining about white Christians then you do about the Jews. Guess what, Christians are here to stay and will never be defeated. The Jew is the problem and white Lemmings are going to stay that way until taught better.

I get so sick of hearing people like you crying constantly about the Christians, if you hate us so bad do something or shut up. Get up next Sunday morning take some Tylenol for your hangover and go to services with some WN literature in your hand or quit your childish crying. Do something anything, just stop crying. I do something about the religious problem why don’t you do the same.

You make the white race seem so pitiful that there is no one that would want to join a group of miscreants like you describe.

Christians are strong we are powerful and we always win, that is why people want to be a part of Christianity and that is why Odinism and Paganism died out centuries ago.

No matter the objectives a Christian will overcome so instead of crying like you do I am in the Christian pulpits trying to put the objectives back to a total white victory.

Can you say you have done anything remotely positive for the white race as that?

No. Neither can Nor-Cal.

Infighting,n. 1. contention among members of the same organization (usually concealed from outsiders), sometimes of a bitter, intense, or prolonged character.
2. fighting, such as boxing, at close quarters.
3. rough-and-tumble, free-for-all fighting.


I see nothing wrong with airing dity laundry and getting out grievances. It prevents rumors from growing to have open dialogue.

Docs usual bullshit doesnt need much attention. "Kikestianity is the forefront of killing jews, blah blah blah". Funny how all who name the Christian "wake up with hangovers". I rarely drink. How many of your kind wake up with muds or little boys? Touche.

999 put out one of those "why cant we all just get along" things.

Because we cant. Its called an ego. Most people have them, and some have them to a fault.

In any event, I have no interest in getting along with the NSM, or similar types who I'd be ashamed to introduce to my family or friends.

Fat guys in ill-fitting, made in China Waffen-SS uniforms claiming to represent MY race! Holy fuck! Maybe their really is some all-powerful Jew in the sky with a really sadistic sense of humor.

Its fucknuts like them who will be begging me to represent them pro bono after they beat the shit out of their girlfriends, or get their seventh DWI. Yes, I decided to pursue a J.D. once I finish undergrad-ville.

They can go fuck themselves. My time and money will be devoted to a large family, and the acquisition of land. Donations to more grass roots orgs, as opposed to the corrupt like the NA, or the defects like the NSM, will be made.

MY race created Stonehenge, the Colosseum, the library at Alexandria, figured out the brain was the center of thought, forged iron, and ruled the entire planet for centuries.

[QUOTE=norcalnative1971][SIZE=3]You promote the Jewish Book and adhere to a known Jewish ideology, Christinsanity.

To deny that the Bible is Jewish is to be an utter liar.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

I just want to add a few things. I realize that doc's brand of Christianity is not the same brand that 99.99% of Christians practice. That's Christianity's problem, not doc's. Like doc on this board, Christianity is hard to ignore, as much as we'd like to.

Apparently the NA has officially 'gone over' to Christianity. The move, I feel, is purely political. I highly doubt that any of the NA higher ups are actual Christians. How could they be when they look around and see the Christian bleeding hearts fiercely promoting immigration, multiculturalism, faggotry, and everything else the jews promote? One can't be sure but I believe common sense reigns at the NA.

The NA just appointed Frank Weltner to a key position, not sure which. Frank Weltner is an avowed Christian. Frank Weltner is also owner of JewWatch.com. Jew Watch is the most virulently anti-jew website on the entire web and it is known to many many people.

If Frank Weltner is really a Christian then his presence in the NA is, in my opinion, a huge plus. NOT because he is a Christian, but because he is an extremely anti-Semitic Christian. By putting an anti-Semitic Christian in a key post, the NA vastly expands it's appeal to average Americans, most of whom are Christian. If Mr. Weltner can approach Christian people with his anti-Semitic views, then maybe just maybe, a significant number of Christians can realize who their enemy is while at the same time pulling Christianity more in line with it's better aspects.

There was a time in the history of Europe when Christians were wise to the jew. Does the phrase 'Christ Killers' ring a bell? It was once Catholic slang for 'jews'. Unfortunately modern mass media in the hands of the jew has managed to warp and corrupt Christianity, much like everything else which was once white. Forgive the broad generalization.

The racist is not the enemy of the Christian individual. The racist IS the enemy of the policies and actions of the church leadership because the church has 'gone jewish'. Just as Arabs have a hard time distinguishing the policies of America from the policies of Israel, so to do WN's have a hard time distinguishing the policies of jews and the policies of Christians.

Doc is under the impression that Christianity is going through a 'bad phase'. He believes that Christianity is the greatest enemy of the jew. He believes that jews fear Christianity. He believes all kinds of things about Christianity which currently are not true.

But it is change we are trying to make-positive change for the white race. We cannot put a dent in the Christian numbers; one simply cannot ignore the 230 million Christians in this country, most of whom are the kind of whites we want as WN's. But, if we can make a significant number of Christians into anti-Semites then they are much more likely to become pro white.

I really don't know. I look around and see the country going to shit and the jew atop the heap hurling down hatred and destruction. I'm just attempting to take an angle on the current state of Christianity; it is Zionist, philo-semitic, and wholly unfriendly to anything pro-white. Maybe it can be changed to some degree. That's my desire. Consider some quotes.

[quote=The Lord Jesus]
What does Jesus say about the Jew? Jesus says the Jews are;

DEVILS

{John} 8."Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning" (verse 44).

SERPENTS

Matthew 23 "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees (Jewish leaders), hypocrites! ... Ye blind guides ... Ye fools and blind .... Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?" (verses 13-33).

MURDERERS

Jesus' denunciations not only of the leaders but also of the nation have fueled the anti-Semite's fire. In Luke 20, Jesus, symbolizing Israel as a vineyard, tells of a master who planted a vineyard and "let it forth to husbandmen" (verse 9).
Later when the servants came to collect the fruit from the master's vineyard, the husbandmen beat them. He sent more servants, and they beat them too. Finally the master says, "I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him" (verse 13).

Instead, the husbandmen killed him! Said Jesus: "What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them? He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others" (verses 15, 16).

"..How can ye escape the damnation of Hell? Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them
shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the *blood of Innocent Abel* unto
the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. *Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation* ." Mt 23:33-36

CHRIST KILLERS

" But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God" John 8:40

"His blood be upon us and on our children" Matthew 27:25. "They killed the Christ."

LIARS

"Now the chief priests (Jewish leaders), and elders, and all the council, sought false witnessagainst Jesus, to put him to death;" Mt 26:59

"For many bare false witness against him, but their witness agreed not together" Mr 14:57

" Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees (Jewish leaders), hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. " (Matthew 23:23)


The New Testament contains 102 references to the Jews of [the] most degrading and malevolent kind Who labels the Jews as hypocrites, apostates, liars, and killers. Who denounces Jewish leaders and the Jewish nation? Who scolds Jewish priests, claims its Temple services are corrupt, and spews forth warnings that God's judgments will fall upon the Jews? Who accuses the Jews of murder, corruption, greed, and robbery - declares that they have forsaken God?

JESUS!!![/quote]

I'm aware Jesus said some other things, according to his post mortem biographers, but shouldn't the Christian heed some of his words about the ewige juden? I wish they would, it might wake some of them up to the plight of the white race.

MURDERERS

Jesus' denunciations not only of the leaders but also of the nation have fueled the anti-Semite's fire. In Luke 20, Jesus, symbolizing Israel as a vineyard, tells of a master who planted a vineyard and "let it forth to husbandmen" (verse 9).
Later when the servants came to collect the fruit from the master's vineyard, the husbandmen beat them. He sent more servants, and they beat them too. Finally the master says, "I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him" (verse 13).

Instead, the husbandmen killed him! Said Jesus: "What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them? He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others" (verses 15, 16).

It is RIGHT FUCKING THERE. Jesus tells us to KILL THE KIKENVERMIN.

Why don't the average joe christians see it this way?

Simple.

The truth isn't spoken by an "authority figure" like the TV set, US president or the pope.

And that can change literally IN A HEARTBEAT.

Who knows, the next pope may tell this truth from Jesus in his acceptance speech. Let the kikenvermin then wriggle their way out of the wrath of one billion Catholics. A thousand years ago the kikenvermin in the Rhineland was utterly destroyed by the good christians on their way to the Holy Land. This time it will be a WORLDWIDE pogrom.

A CHRISTIAN, BY DEFINITION, IS ONE WHO SUPPORTS HIS ENEMIES BUT HELPS NOT ONE IOTA HIS OWN KIND. The "Christian right" is strongly supported by the Zionist gangsters since they know how destructive that gaggle can be to their own kind.




Mt:5:44: But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Lk:6:27: But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

Lk:6:35: But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

Mt:5:39: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Lk:6:29: And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.

Whites were not racists, for racists of any race want their race to survive. If the Whites had been real racists, they would have obeyed their Old Testament god who commanded them to slay every member of a conquered people, including their pets and livestock. The rule is simple and obvious: Kill your enemy and he is destroyed. Breed with your enemy and both of you are destroyed.

To return to the original topic of the thread, I don't think the time spent commenting here on VNNF represents more than a fraction of the time spent by most folks doing positive things. Could everybody who disagrees with the new NA just ignore them and do other things? Sure. But the main reason to vocally oppose what they do is to reduce their influence in our circles and prevent them and their activities from being considered popular. By reducing the number of people who financially support them, we are cutting off their ability to perpetuate their nefarious activities. By publicly exposing what they are up to, we prevent their skewed "ideology" (I use that term loosely) from gaining adherents among newbies who don't know better.
They repeatedly brag that they want nothing to do with other groups, so we have been happy to give them the distance they claim to want by excluding them from any and all functions, concerts, etc that we used to reluctantly allow them to attend. Enforcing that distance has not produced the type of gratitude one would have expected from the group that spends so much time shit-talking every other group in the world besides themselves. They want to be "elite" without ruining their reputation by associating with us "freaks and degenerates" so we have obliged them. They have excluded themselves from any expectation of friendliness and support from the rest of us, and exposing them with facts is no more infighting than exposing the JDL or SPLC for their activities. Actually, NA members have put more White men in prison than Morris Dees has.

I believe that Odinism or Asatru is the best path for our race to follow. It is hard for a practicing Odinist to be philo-Semetic or be a whigger. A return to our pagan roots and the values it emphasizes (independence, courage, honor, loyalty to folk, etc.) would provide a much needed uplift to the white racial character. Once enough whites turn to such a religion, the proper political solution would be automatic. I also like that most practicing Asatru do not take the religion and its gods and myths literally, but see them as symbolic examples of how to undertand life and the universe. Asatru is not anti-science as Christianity it. Odinism/Asatru also promote real racial brotherhood among whites and does not promote factionalism, feuding over ideology, etc, since it is all very decentralized.

But even though this seems to be the ideal path, I am well aware that Christianity could become extremely anti-Jew once again just as it was 500 to a thousand years ago. Just read the Book of John. There is hardly any piece of literature ever written in the West (with the exception of things like Turner Diaries) which is more anti-Jew than the New Testament gospel of John. Seriously! Sit down and read the King James version of this gospel. It is a thrilling story, loaded with suspense and drama. And throughout the Jews are the arch villians. Most of these Bible thumpers today who love the Jews must be total illiterates or cannot think for themselves and only think what Falwell and Robertson et. al. tell them to think, because if they could read and comprehend what they read, I don't see how they could love the Jews so much after reading the four main gospels, especially John. Whomever wrote this gospel is a kindred spirit of Goebbels, Goethe and Martin Luther. The writer never misses a chance to kick the Jews. If the gospel were written today, it would be banned as hate literature throughout western Europe. The author would be treated worse than Zundel now is. It is far more viscious than most all the white racial stuff written in Europe these days. Really, it's right on par with Nazi-era propaganda.

So, if you can ever get these masses of Christians to question what passes for Judeo-Christianity today and open their minds just a little, it would be easy enough to lead them on a day-of-the-rope style forray. After all, Christians gladly paused to murder thousands of Jews on their way to the Holy Land during the Crusades. They could do it just as easily again today if the right people gained control of the mass media and government... Especially after the suffering the Jews are about to put white Americans through in the coming decades.

I actually think Christians have the capacity to be even more genocidal toward Jews than Odinists do, simply because they are far more irrational and emotional and childlike -- and far more fanatical once they set themselves upon a course.

Don't underestimate the lethal threat that Christianity could be for the Jews under the right circumstances. The Jews fully understand this. It is the main reason they still loathe Christianity and Christians even today when the Jews have them so willingly under their control. The Jews know these emotionally-charged dumb fucks could turn on them very quickly if things ever got fully out of hand.

Regarding the original theme of this post, I think the WN movement today simply attracts too many people who are overly indivindualistic and who simply enjoy feuding with anyone who will feud with them -- even kinsmen and comrades. As we grow and attract more mainstream types of people, this tendancy will diminish.

[QUOTE=norcalnative1971][SIZE=3]If the Jew achieves worldwide domination AND the Aryan Race is extinguished, the Jew will promptly abandon the Christian "useful idiot" and Christinsanity will go the way of Mithraism. Until total Jew victory, the Christian, you included, will continue to spread the spiritual cancer contained in the Bible, which SERVES the JEW.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]I would no more try to recruit at the local church than I would try to recruit at the local lunatic ward. It is impossible to convince the nut of the falsehood of his delusion.[/SIZE]

One day, the account may get settled, "doc."
[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
If Jews kill the Aryans then there won’t be Christianity will there? You have to be able to read to use the bible, and how far will non-whites get without whites to either read to them or teach them to read?

So since you cannot convince a Christian to become Racist that means it is impossible?
Are you saying it is impossible to be a Christian and be a Racist?

Your hope the account may get settled is a hope. It has not nor will it ever get settled with Christians as we are simply to strong. Just point the majority of Christians in the proper direction and you have a force that can’t be beaten.

[QUOTE=Vlad]
It was the christian evangelicals who set up the Israeli terrorist state that we are made to pay for out of our wallets and even our lives - U.S.S. Liberty, 9_11 W.T.C. and most recently Iraq. This would not have happened without christians interfering in White man's government.

These types of people have shown that they are far more destructive to us than even a violent nigger criminal.
[/QUOTE]

It was the British that gave Israel to the Jews get your facts straight, or you purposely lying to make yourself look good?

What you are saying is that you would rather live in a neighborhood filled with violent darkies than a clean white Christian neighborhood? Have at it. You probably would not be welcomed among us civilized folk anyway, I know Christian Hitler would not welcome you.

[QUOTE=Draco]
Docs usual bull---- doesnt need much attention. "Kikestianity is the forefront of killing jews, blah blah blah". Funny how all who name the Christian "wake up with hangovers". I rarely drink. How many of your kind wake up with muds or little boys? Touche.



999 put out one of those "why cant we all just get along" things.
[/QUOTE]

I am not a Catholic so there is no touché, zero of my kind wake up with muds and little boys, believe what the jewvision tells you to believe they want you to hate Christianity their worse enemy. 999 is not a Christian but an Anti-Christian as far as I can tell, but you still would choose to fight him over the Jew. Face it, it is not the Jew it is not the Christian it is your own self-destructive behavior. You attack me because I am a Christian and then attack 999 who is definitely not a Christian.

BTW 999 you have been getting attacked here lately and you are the most positive person on this board besides AE1 you are going to have to cyber slap some of these jackals.

Besides Draco aren’t you in the military fighting for the Jew? Correct me if I am in error.


[QUOTE=999]It is RIGHT THERE. Jesus tells us to KILL THE KIKENVERMIN.
[/QUOTE]
Yup it is there. No doubt about it. The problem is not with Christianity it is with the way Jews have perverted modern Christianity.

Judeo-Christianity is false at it’s very nature, being simply a Christian makes you proud of your race.

[QUOTE=El Duce]A CHRISTIAN, BY DEFINITION, IS ONE WHO SUPPORTS HIS ENEMIES BUT HELPS NOT ONE IOTA HIS OWN KIND. [/QUOTE]
Since you obviously don’t know anything about Christianity other than what you read on an Odinist website, the definition of Christian is a follower of Christ, and he called the Jews vipers, serpents, and sons of the Devil. So being a Christian is bad how again?

[QUOTE=El Duce]Whites were not racists, for racists of any race want their race to survive. If the Whites had been real racists, they would have obeyed their Old Testament god who commanded them to slay every member of a conquered people, including their pets and livestock. The rule is simple and obvious: Kill your enemy and he is destroyed. Breed with your enemy and both of you are destroyed.[/QUOTE]
There you have it. Following that will lead to a sure victory.

Is there anyone here that honestly thinks that Christianity will cease to exist? Or is there anyone here that thinks that they are honestly going to destroy Christianity?

I remember when Dr Pierce was alive everyone thought the NA would destroy Christianity; look at it now it is Christianized. And don’t get me wrong I like to rub everyone’s face in it to. I was the first to predict the NA would become Christian orientated and I was right.

Concerning Bragi, I am really shocked at what you said. I don’t have anything to add, that was a curveball I wasn’t expecting.





In the end all the net threats and crying about Christians come to nothing. Next Sunday meeting houses all over the world will still be filled, and more and more people will become Christians. Next Sunday morning I am going to get up shine my dress shoes and put on a suit and go to worship service and there is nothing you can do to stop it. You know it and I know it, beat your fists against the keyboard and cry for a divine rescue but the fact will remain I will still be a Christian and have a congregation to attend.

There is nothing nobody on this board will ever do or say to stop that, you know it and you know your are helpless when it comes to stopping Christianity. That is why everyone cries about it so much because they know it is untouchable.

The NA is soon to be a Christian orientated organization. And a lot of you will be squatting when we get prayer and the bible back in school.

Right now we are closer than ever in history to having the bible becoming a legitimate textbook that you can study and actually earn full credits in theology in public schools.

It was when Christian values were taken out of public schools that drugs and condoms were put in. That is a fact no one on this board or anywhere else can deny.

[QUOTE=Vlad]Palestine was a British colonial territory. Evangelical christians in Britain took the jew's side and helped get them their Israel. Your religion is largely responsible for the jew problem these past decades DOC. [/QUOTE]


My religion is Anti-semetic so no it wasn't my religion that did that. get your facts straight.


Don't twist the clear meaning of my words into something that I did not say at all. Influential televangelist christians and billionaire elites have brought far more destruction on the White race than a violent nigger criminal loose in the streets. The elites are above the law, the savage can be controlled.


I didn't twist it I asked a question. I didn't see you answer. You would rather live next door to a raving darkie thug than someone like say ---- me? A pro-white, pro-Christian man.

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]What you are saying is that you would rather live in a neighborhood filled with violent darkies than a clean white Christian neighborhood?[/QUOTE]

The white christians would either sell be the ones selling to the muds, or fleeing en masse. Another bullshit scenario shot down.

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]Besides Draco aren’t you in the military fighting for the Jew? Correct me if I am in error.[/QUOTE]

You're in error, but right about that. After graduating high school a semester early in mid-January of 2000, and my 17 year old self not knowing what else to do, I signed up for a two year hitch as a medic with the Army. I figured if I liked it, I could just reenlist. Didnt care for it, so, I was honorably discharged with 15k in the bank, and just shy of 20k worth of GI bill money, which I only just now started to use, in my third year of college.



[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]Yup it is there. No doubt about it. The problem is not with Christianity it is with the way Jews have perverted modern Christianity.[/QUOTE]

Had there not been inherent flaws in Christianity, the jews wouldnt have been able to assume complete control over it, huh?


[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]Is there anyone here that honestly thinks that Christianity will cease to exist?[/QUOTE]

Judging by plummeting church attendance in the West, obviously the Churhc-leaders realize their days are numbered, hence their need to import as many muds as possible.

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]I remember when Dr Pierce was alive everyone thought the NA would destroy Christianity; look at it now it is Christianized. And don’t get me wrong I like to rub everyone’s face in it to. I was the first to predict the NA would become Christian orientated and I was right.[/QUOTE]

It sure has changed for the better, huh? I don't recall anyone blowing their head off while Pierce was in charge.


[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]In the end all the net threats and crying about Christians come to nothing. Next Sunday meeting houses all over the world will still be filled, and more and more people will become Christians.[/QUOTE]

HAHAHA. Church attendance has NEVER been lower in White nations. But hey, Nigerains are the most devout Church goers on Earth. 89% of them attend regularly. Just the kind of people your local Christian church is dying to have fill yhose meeting houses!

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/rel_chu_att

Nigerains at 89%, then Irish at 84%, then Phillipinos at 68%. And the only White naiton on that list, and Christianity has them blowing each other up. What a defective religion!

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]The NA is soon to be a Christian orientated organization. And a lot of you will be squatting when we get prayer and the bible back in school.[/QUOTE]

It would please you to have kids force-fed your poison. And the NA will be bankrupt long before it becomes Christian. Calendars with STD-ridden strippers cost money you know.

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]Right now we are closer than ever in history to having the bible becoming a legitimate textbook that you can study and actually earn full credits in theology in public schools.[/QUOTE]

Legitimate textbook. The ravings of kikes who spent too much time in the sun are legitimate science now? Man, I love that warped logic unique to the jew and their little brothers in Christ!

[QUOTE=Vlad]Here we have a contradiction, like so many things with you. This particular contradiction is your use of the ambiguous term 'religion'. [/QUOTE]


Now, you've stated that you are a christian, correct?
Yes
It has been demonstrated exhaustively that today's christian is overwhelmingly pro-jewish and largely even zionist. Yes or no DOC?
If you speak of the modern perversion calling itself Christian that in no way resembles bible teachings, then the answer is yes. But over all I would say no, and I am not Zionist.

A great deal of Atheistic whites are pro Jew also. Does that mean atheism should be done away with?
Therefore if your 'religion' is 'christian', it is not anti-semitic, but rather pro-jewish and possibly zionist. Yes or no DOC?
NO
Now exactly what religion do you follow that is anti-semitic?
Christianity
Or is that your religion - the Cult of Anti-Semitism Mislabeled By DOC and Pretty Much Only DOC Christianity?
Nope it is a growing movement but growing slowly due to the uphill struggle we face. Like the WN movement attacked on all fronts and even attacked through infighting.

You twisted my words exactly like a kike would do - you know the kind, the news media is full of such kosher editors. Furthermore my reply was quite clear for the second and final time.
So the answer is you would rather live next door to darkies than me.

[QUOTE=Vlad]I'm also noting your use of key bait words like 'terminated'. Are you attempting to get someone here in trouble DOC?[/QUOTE]
I changed the wording now answer the question. Or change the wording yourself to a more user friendly one and then answer the question.

[QUOTE=norcalnative1971][SIZE=3]I'm glad to hear you have abandoned the Semitic Bible.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
The Jew will tell you the bible is anti-Semitic they also admit that Christianity is the largest threat facing Judaism today.

Is atheism the largest threat facing Jews today?

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]The Jew will tell you the bible is anti-Semitic they also admit that Christianity is the largest threat facing Judaism today.

[/QUOTE]

Just as Br'er Rabbit admitted, "Please, please, please, Br'er Fox, DON'T THROW ME IN THE BRIAR PATCH!"

A REAL case against the jews (or a jew confesses, or brags, it's hard to tell which:)
http://www.geocities.com/alabasters_archive/real_case.html

[COLOR=Blue]From the Introduction to Imperium:
It is enlightening to review the standard means whereby our masters combat positive ideas and movements. There is a pattern in such tactics which constructive forces will do well to study.

The first tactic is suppression and determined non-recognition of the rebel and his works. The press will unanimously give the well known "silent treatment." Even at this early stage, if the movement gives promise of becoming significant, assassination is considered and carried out if possible.

The next tactic is the Smear through libel, distortion, misrepresentation and the sowing of confusion wherever possible. This may be a negative smear with the purpose of destroying the effectiveness of an enemy or a positive smear for the purpose of building a haze around the truth to enable a disintegrative movement to develop.
The Smear is usually started as an underground whispering campaign that viciously builds up to an outright and overt campaign, with the "free press" called into play. The object is to isolate enemies of the present regime and discredit them.

The third tactic is infiltration into the movement and/or the building up of false leadership in order to sabotage the movement at the optimum time, meanwhile diverting patriot energies into harmless or controlled activities. The fourth and final stage is called upon only as a last resort, after the movement or philosophy has become institutionalized and is immune to grosser tactics. This is to "interpret" it so as to bring it as closely as possible into conformity with approved patterns. (Characteristically, the conflicting philosophies of both Jesus Christ and Friedrich Nietzsche each have suffered this deadening interpretation.)

Two or more of the above maneuvers are usually used simultaneously. [/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Vlad]No need to explain yourself to DOC, you answer to nobody except your own Aryan Self.[/QUOTE]
I know that but nice of you to point that out anyway.

Funny how DOC points fingers and shrieks about people serving the jew isn't it? DOC says he desires to pursue psychology as a minor, while majoring in theology.

What DOC will eventually gather from his upcoming psychology courses is that modern psychology was born out of the old Aryan philosophies. Jews like Freud took philosophy and made the psychology racket we have today. Talk about serving the jew, much less planning on learning a jewish discipline.

That's not to say psychology is entirely bad. Jung's self-actualization holds closer to philosophy than to a pharmaceutical racket and is worth a read, if not a minor degree.


I simply asked and he answered I wasn't pointing fingers.

I see you don't like to see whites advance in a field that is not your chosing. Who cares what you think. As you said I only have my Aryan self to answer to.

[QUOTE=Vlad]

Now if you truly cared what nobody thinks and answer to only your Aryan self - and I'm noting that you just contradictorily threw The Lord right out of your life with that statement - you would not have taken the bait I let loose in my quote as shown in post #16:

?[/QUOTE]
You trying to bait the DOC you big pervert. The DOC doesn’t like perverts that try to bait him.

So you wanted more infighting and was trying to argue with the DOC?

You admit you wanted to argue with the DOC it is destructive people that want nothing more than an argument that is destroying our race.


But to use the word bait makes me think you are a pervert. The DOC’s tree doesn’t sway that way.


Go bait someone else.

[QUOTE=Vlad] Really now, DOC you haven't even sent me an updated photo in weeks either.[/QUOTE]
Huh??????????? :confused:

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]You trying to bait the DOC you big pervert. The DOC doesn’t like perverts that try to bait him.

So you wanted more infighting and was trying to argue with the DOC?

You admit you wanted to argue with the DOC it is destructive people that want nothing more than an argument that is destroying our race.


But to use the word bait makes me think you are a pervert. The DOC’s tree doesn’t sway that way.


Go bait someone else.[/QUOTE]

The DOC don't refer to his bad self in the third person. Well, maybe he does occasionally, but...THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS HIM!

Nuff said. Sheeeit.

[QUOTE=IronWorker]EdbergEdberg you have in a way pointed out a sad truth about modern Christianity. (Also I think FranzJoseph has posted about this) Christianity today is not based on the Bible but more on Church Doctrine and Tradition (which all iz anti-White). This is where the Falwells, Robertsons, and Fat Ass Hagees come in.[/QUOTE]
There you go a return to the "Jews are serpents" Christianity of the bible would change everything.

Could Christianity make some sort of "positive come-back"... well as a test case I like to look at The Passion... Just before it came out lotz of anti-semitic Christians were all over the 'net (and on this forum, check the archives) claiming that it would awaken lemmings to the jews and maybe even spark a revolution... it never did. Itz been 2,000 years, they have had their chance.

2,000 years isn't fair since Christians have laid waste to the Jews several times.

It is going to take more than a movie to waken the sleeping masses. You don't undo a half-century of indoctrination with 2 hours of special effects.

Question for Ironworker, If the majority of Christians was like me strongly anti-Semitic do think that things would change for the better?

Do think WN's would have a different view of Christianity?

[QUOTE=gunter88]If you don't like the way things are here then go back to LURKING! Any and all race traitors, con men, charlatans, moochers, pathological liars, and nut jobs need to be exposed for the benefit of everyone. This is a "forum", not a text book. It's an OP/ED operation. That's the way it works. Free speech all around![/QUOTE]

I agree.

Now the problem, is there a pro-White Political organization out there that has not been defamed by somebody on VNN? I cannot think of one.

So then the next logical question would be, IS THERE NO PRO-WHITE ORGANIZATION WORTHY OF MY SUPPORT, ARE THEY ALL COMPRISED OF SCUM? Or are there worthwhile groups who have been slandered by provocateurs?

Then, who are the worthwhile groups and who are the wack-jobs and charlatans?

And believe this, if a group comes along and makes enough progress to really worry the jew, this group will be slandered the most.

So if you know personally know a pro-White group who is genuinely working for the good of the Folk and Land, and this group is slandered, then those doing the slandering are jews/jew-paid provocateurs.

Unfortunately, if you try to warn others, you will be considered an accomplice of the slandered group :(

I do not know the answer. Perhaps stay with a group headquartered in your state so you will be able to personally satisfy yourself of their integrity?

50 good state-wide orgs is not ideal, but better than 200 nationwide groups ranging from exc to awful, and no one knowing which is which

[QUOTE=IronWorker] Now-a-days you have craziness like Rapture Bunnies and I am repulsed by almost all of the modern crap.
[/QUOTE]

The Church of Christ completely despises the entire rapture doctrine, and everything that follows it. That is one of the things I don’t like about the CI’s.
Rapture & Premillennialism & Dispensationalism Refuted (http://www.bible.ca/rapture.htm)

http://www.bible.ca/Rapture.gif


Many say I have an odd slant on Christianity but what I teach and believe about the bible is very common in the Church of Christ. While I cannot speak for everyone that uses that name, the majority of us recognize that many religious organizations have completely turned from the bible. Being a Church of Christ preacher is part of the reason I can be openly racist and not get rock thrown at me.

Something I NEVER hear in the Church of Christ is “Jews are Gods chosen” or anything about Israel being the time clock.

The Church of Christ fights harder against the rapture bunnies than any other religious organization out there.

Also you don’t hear that Jews are going to be the first ones going to heaven as the Church of Christ teaches the biblical doctrine that the Jewish faith will not get you to heaven.

I live in a very thick part of the Southern Bible Belt, a part that is dense with Judeo-Christian Rapture bunnies. All the people whom I work with who are religious believe this way.

I put forward this offer whenever the subject of Jews as "God's Chosen People" comes up. I say, "If you or anyone else can show me anywhere in the King James version of the Bible where it says: "The Jews are God's chosen people," then I will give you fifty dollars. The person gets all excited about winning such an easy bet. After a week goes by, they never bring up the subject again. I have never had to pay the fifty dollars... of course. The offer of a wager where they stand to lose nothing but gain fifty bucks is a strong incentive for them to spend many hours of their free time learning a good lesson about the Bible -- and what it doesn't say.

[quote=Ossian]Just as Br'er Rabbit admitted, "Please, please, please, Br'er Fox, DON'T THROW ME IN THE BRIAR PATCH!"[/quote]

Perfect analogy to all this talk from the mouth of doc about Christianity being somehow threatening to jews. Laugh. Christianity is the jews' best friend in so many ways. The Christian church and it's activities are like an army and soldiers carrying out jew orders to destroy white homelands and the white race. Judeo-Christianity, it's not just a hollow concept the jews coined to make Christians identify with jews. Oh no.

"Oy vey, the angry Christians are coming to get us." says the jew. Wink wink, does the jew. Look at the all the shrieking and whining the jew did for The Passion. And what came of it? Not a single incidence of anti-semitism in all the land. The Christian critter is jewish property.

Jews are atheists, doc. They have sense enough not to believe in an afterlife or that there's a being in the sky orchestrating events on this rock. The jews know that the afterlife is for jews is the jewish people as a whole. WN's know that the white race is the continuation of life for the individual. Christians, however, have been completely hoodwinked into this heaven and hell fairy tale.

The great unknown of death holds the Christlings in thrall as they work feverishly to carry out the orders of the jew book. I suppose there's always hope for change; that Christians will suddenly turn on their masters and rise en masse to cast the jew and his ideologies into the abyss. And I suppose I might win the lottery sometime in my life too. Christians worship whatever their the jewtube tells them too. Most of them just pay lip service to Jesus as a way to hedge against the impossible possibility that there's a place in the sky where you go when you die to sprout wings and play the harp until all the stars twinkle their last. Sigh.

[QUOTE=EdbergEdberg]I live in a very thick part of the Southern Bible Belt, a part that is dense with Judeo-Christian Rapture bunnies. All the people whom I work with who are religious believe this way.

I put forward this offer whenever the subject of Jews as "God's Chosen People" comes up. I say, "If you or anyone else can show me anywhere in the King James version of the Bible where it says: "The Jews are God's chosen people," then I will give you fifty dollars. The person gets all excited about winning such an easy bet. After a week goes by, they never bring up the subject again. I have never had to pay the fifty dollars... of course. The offer of a wager where they stand to lose nothing but gain fifty bucks is a strong incentive for them to spend many hours of their free time learning a good lesson about the Bible -- and what it doesn't say.[/QUOTE]

The jews will eventually get wise to the fact that nowhere in their book are jews said to be chosen.

Never mind that the Christian god, or father of Christ, was the Jewish tribal god. Monotheism is so boring. Jews love the whole 'centralization of power and authority' thing-especially when the power and authority rest with them. Rome at it's height was pagan. As soon as the fad of Jewish monotheism dressed up in the word 'Christianity' hit, all was lost.

Some clever jew will eventually get the bright idea to publish a new 'updated and improved' edition of The Holy Babble with plenty of instances of Yahweh calling the jews his favorites.

Then watch out for those bets you made, as Johnny jesus lover will come around with his new bible published by Goldstein, Finklewitz, and Rosenbaum Partners Publishing Company.

The bible is a rhapsody of words. Words words words.

[QUOTE=EdbergEdberg]I live in a very thick part of the Southern Bible Belt, a part that is dense with Judeo-Christian Rapture bunnies. All the people whom I work with who are religious believe this way.

I put forward this offer whenever the subject of Jews as "God's Chosen People" comes up. I say, "If you or anyone else can show me anywhere in the King James version of the Bible where it says: "The Jews are God's chosen people," then I will give you fifty dollars. The person gets all excited about winning such an easy bet. After a week goes by, they never bring up the subject again. I have never had to pay the fifty dollars... of course. The offer of a wager where they stand to lose nothing but gain fifty bucks is a strong incentive for them to spend many hours of their free time learning a good lesson about the Bible -- and what it doesn't say.[/QUOTE]
Ask them to show you the word Rapture they can't, or show where it says Jesus was a Jew. The Romans mocked Jesus and called him "King of the Jews" but nowhere does Jesus make that claim.

[QUOTE=ed burgin]As a lurker, I see this forum has eroded to bitter infighting. This needs to stop. That includes the mods here that keep putting the negative National Alliance postings as stickys. If you disagree with another organization, just avoid them. Instead of showing hatred toward other organizations, show some love toward yours. If your not a member of any organization, promote your love for the white race. Simple isn’t it? You're not going to convince members of other organizations that their leadership is corrupt, criminal whatever, regardless if it is true or not.

Is it worth bashing other groups while the Jew and subhuman Negroid laughs at us about it? Think about who the real enemy is. Promote the positives of yourselves, and your groups, and your race instead of the negatives of others.[/QUOTE]

Im hardly suprised that your post got as hostile a response as it did, even though it is just common sense. It should be born in mind that I am not an NA member, and due to honest idealogical differences (see does it hurt THAT MUCH to say that?) am most unlikely to ever be one (Mostly because Im Pan Aryan and NA is Pan Euro)
However, does a movement that has trouble getting 50 people to attend a demonstration despite months of publ;icity on the net really have 'cleaning house " as its first priority? Or does it need to increase its absurdly small numbers?

diablo

Just to tease some of you guys a little. I think the NA is Strong, and that is why it is threatening to some people? If we were weak, no one would have endless threads about how to weaken us, on VNN;)

[color=black]A couple things--- Why are you replying to 3 month old threads...? Did you just do a search for National Alliance and start bitching?[/color]

[color=black]Another; you’re in [/color][color=black]England[/color][color=black] are you not? OK, so how the hell do you know what's going on with the NA? I can GUARUNTEE YOU I know far more about the NA than you ever will. Past and Present. Keep paying you 10 bucks and getting your bulletin filled with lies and exagerations, meant to dissuade you quasi lemmings that are still members from quitting. It's a sinking ship; it’s sinking faster than you know. [/color]

[color=black]So pull your head out of Gliebsky's ass and get into some Racial Nationalist groups that are actually in your country and for your country. The WNP comes to mind... [/color]


-Tom
[QUOTE=Blutfahne]Just to tease some of you guys a little. I think the NA is Strong, and that is why it is threatening to some people? If we were weak, no one would have endless threads about how to weaken us, on VNN;)[/QUOTE]

A couple things--- Why are you replying to 3 month old threads...?





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