Sigh....I did produce it. You said it was fabricated.

The passenger manifests, chump change!

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Close the thread fellows, and save whatever self respect you might still have.

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You're currently running for the biggest fucking idiot in this thread. If it was up to you, any subversive can simply reverse his position to you and you'd instantly accept them back, as a LEADER NO LESS LOL. You are what cuckolds are made of.

Contributions for SF are down 3,000 dollars give or take, this is where they care the most - the $$$$. You're damn right they are gonna try to save face now. They want you to show them the money. Donate today you fucking cultist.

www.ticklethewire.com/tag/fbi-informant/


Now what?

You orginally said: "There is video of Muhammed Atta & the rest going through customs before boarding the various planes on 9/11".

Firstly, what do you mean by "going through customs"?

Second, the picture you linked to only purports to show two of the alleged hijackers, Atta and Alomeri, before they boarded a flight to Boston. Where is your video documentation of "the rest" of the alleged hikjackers?

In any case, the video still, to the extent it's actually "authentic" in the first place, isn't useful, because it doesn't show what those two individuals did once they arrived in Boston.

Lastly, there's no proof that the individual said to be "Atta" (the one conveniently looking directly at the camera) is actually Atta, for example. Identity theft and impersonation are Jew specialties.

Put simply, your video still proves nothing (except that someone's desperate to deceive and blame "Arabs" for what was obviously a Jew crime).

Donnie, I detect a certain level of sincerity in your posts. I think you truely want to believe the NIST lies, that the government wouldn't lie to you, that rags really did 9/11, but you really are wrong. If you want to remain free, you must challenge everything the government says, history has proven time and again that they have a remorseless agenda and care not about truth.

The passenger manifests, chump change!


As difficult to believe as it might seem, I don't currently have possession of the passenger manifests, Fred.

My apologies.

Robert, I understand you stuck your neck out and defended me when it was my turn on the chopping block. I appreciate that brother, I really do. It was above and beyond the call of duty.

Welcome aboard VNN, we need to work to make this what Stormfront isn't, a place where people can freely speak and aren't stood over by their slave masters.

Thanks!

Not only is VNN a place where people can speak freely, but the proprietor, Alex Linder, actually goes out and participates in the movement.

During the Knoxville rally, where were those guys? I know that Linder was there!

I have never seen Jack Boot, Don Black, David Duke or any of those guys go out of their way to stand up for our cause.

I remember Duke saying that he "didn't want to be a martyr for our cause," when he fled back to the US from the Czech Republic.

They are all just a bunch of hypocrites.

As difficult to believe as it might seem, I don't currently have possession of the passenger manifests, Fred.

My apologies.
Don't feel bad, neither does anyone else. The FBI did some fabrications which have been disproved, but that's all that's out there, nothing authentic which shows rags on those planes.

Something I don't think has been covered much lately is the $2.3 Trillion that was missing from the Pentagon budget on Sept 10, 2001 (http://www.google.com/search?q=2.3+trillion+missing+from+the+pentagon&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a).

Funny how never another word was mentioned about it after 9/11. Rabbi Dov Zackheim was the comptroller at the Pentagon, and also on the CEO of Systems Planning Corporation, which makes remote control devices for airplanes.

9/11 Planes: Dov Zakheim was CEO of System Planning Corporation (Flight Termination Systems)

Missing Links ~ The Definitive Truth About 9/11 ~ Part 10 of 12

Donnie, I detect a certain level of sincerity in your posts. I think you truely want to believe the NIST lies, that the government wouldn't lie to you, that rags really did 9/11, but you really are wrong. If you want to remain free, you must challenge everything the government says, history has proven time and again that they have a remorseless agenda and care not about truth.


Oh, I know full well the government is corrupt and routinely lies to the populace. I'm not a Republican, Fred. I'm a White Nationalist.

I just don't think they had to lie in this instance.

I have, if I can find the CD's I moved the contents of my last computer onto, at least one of the original passenger manifests. There were no Arab names on any of them until late in the afternoon PDT. The first passenger manifests did not have any Arab names on them.

They are all just a bunch of hypocrites.
There is probably far more to it than that.

I know DD was beaten into submission by the yids, and only allowed to return home if he promised never to again besmirch the shylocks. Do you forget who runs this country? It's courts, police departments and it's legislative bodies?

I do not believe they are traitors of their own volition, but they have been compromised and threatened with life behind bars. Still, they should not be doing what they are doing. It is better to do nothing than to harm your own people.

There's an article here (http://www.opednews.com/articles/There-is-no-evidence-that-by-Elias-Davidsson-100811-366.html?show=votes)
which not only convincingly makes the case that there were no Arabs/Moslems involved in 9/11, but clearly shows that the "evidence" against Arabs/Moslems was contrived.

Don't feel bad, neither does anyone else. The FBI did some fabrications which have been disproved, but that's all that's out there, nothing authentic which shows rags on those planes.

I just don't think they had to lie in this instance.
You poor dumb bastard! They lie in EVERY instance.

There's an article here (http://www.opednews.com/articles/There-is-no-evidence-that-by-Elias-Davidsson-100811-366.html?show=votes)
which not only convincingly makes the case that there were no Arabs/Moslems involved in 9/11, but clearly shows that the "evidence" against Arabs/Moslems was contrived.



For future reference, it's Muslims not Moslems.

There is probably far more to it than that.

I know DD was beaten into submission by the yids, and only allowed to return home if he promised never to again besmirch the shylocks. Do you forget who runs this country? It's courts, police departments and it's legislative bodies?

I do not believe they are traitors of their own volition, but they have been compromised and threatened with life behind bars. Still, they should not be doing what they are doing. It is better to do nothing than to harm your own people.

Duke still puts out videos, and he still spends half his time in Europe. I don't think he was intimidated by the Czechs, he looked fine to me when he returned.

And if you send him a check, he will even think about running for President too.

For future reference, it's Muslims not Moslems.



http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Moslem

Duke still puts out videos, and he still spends half his time in Europe. I don't think he was intimidated by the Czechs, he looked fine to me when he returned.
He never had anything to fear from the Czechs, it was American jews who were going to put him in the slammer if he returned to this country. He worked "something" out to be able to return.

I'm not talking about his recent troubles, I'm speaking historically, way back when. I used to know David personally, before he ever ran for office.

You poor dumb bastard! They lie in EVERY instance.


Dumb is debatable. Poor I ain't.

Dumb is debatable. Poor I ain't.
LOL, you have a way about you, Donnie.

Close the thread fellows

Hey idiot, take your Stormkosher antics back to Stormkosher.

Under yet another of my banned accounts, I posted about these trolls and shills.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t625486/

At the bottom of this site, you'll see, in the cached copies, the supposed list of people aboard the 9/11 flights.....

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/passengers.html

I'd say if David is going to be shilling and pushing the kosher view 'the Arabs did it' he's a waste too.

Phone conversations from the passengers to individuals on the ground also confirm this.


Errr...

Excuse my ignorance, but, since when do cell phones operate at high altitudes?

You have absolutely no clue as to what you are talking about, or you are trying to fool other people into believing your illogical hypothesis.

Everything I stated is the absolute truth.

Who are your really? I seem to get the essence of yeast. Hmmm. Lycia? Suepeace?

I bet you have already started a thread about me too. You pathetic trolls.

As far as my friends here at VNN and why I haven't posted here, Yankee Jim is dead, and Baldy hasn't posted here in half a year. The others have faded away as so often happens. The rest of my answer was in the post I made.

You knew you were on moderation Robert. Not even the first time either, so you acting like you're so surprised is laughable and pathetic. LOL...you even said you tried to get JB to lift your moderation! He didn't, so here you are.

You knew you were on moderation Robert. Not even the first time either, so you acting like you're so surprised is laughable and pathetic. LOL...you even said you tried to get JB to lift your moderation! He didn't, so here you are.

I'm hearing from several that Stormkosher remoderates Sustaining members when their SM time runs out, and are only taken off Moderation when they pay more money.

Extortion, I believe it's called.

Why are you people still arguing about Stormfart?

There are more important things to think about, you know.

He went into it enough to make clear his belief that Arabs did it.



Well, yes, but that's not the point.



I do care. Why? Because IMO, 9/11 is THE most important issue in the world today, bar none. Because of 9/11, the world as we knew it is disappearing, fast. With 9/11, the Jews took an all or nothing gamble - either they go down or we all go down, exclusively because of it.



It's not unfortunate. I like David Duke, and I think he's sincere, but if SF is the Kosher organization it appears to be, then it's legitimate to wonder about David Duke vis-a-vis Stormfront.



That's like saying, what anyone thinks about the idea that 2 + 2 = 3 is their own personal decision. And in a sense you're right, but would you want someone who felt that way doing your taxes for you? I think not.



It's become SOOOO F'ING OBVIOUS by now that 9/11 was a crime planned and carried out by Jews, that's it's just not debatable between reasonable people anymore, period. The evidence is simply overwhelming. Thus when someone takes a different view, especially someone like DD, it's fair and very relevant to wonder why.

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One thing I forgot to say. David Duke is recognized as an important, Jew-wise, historically savvy, WN intellectual leader, activist, and spokesman, and thus has a lot of recognition. As such, it doesn't help promote the issue of 9/11 truth to give our Jew propagandist enemies ammo to say something like: "See, David Duke doesn't even agree with you 'twoofers', etc."


I don't know, I thought he was kind of vague about it. When he spoke of blowback, blowback which could mean all the bad things rained down on Americans because of US support of Israel. Now, all of us here are on the same page, but certainly everybody who will watch DD's videos don't have everything sorted out.

However, I agree that anyone who openly supports the idea that Muslims did 9/11, and promotes that absurd POV, would cause me to lose confidence in their thinking abilities. I think the reality of DD's unrelenting exposure of jews, is the point, because he has not asserted the jews didn't do it. Understandably, we are all impatient because of what's going on against Whites, and we want our POV out there by anybody and everybody, as forcefully as possible. 9/11 is a major, major, event. It is current and of the most importance. Sure, I'd feel a lot better if DD came out and laid out the goods on the jews for it. Why he hasn't, I don't know, and I hope he will, soon. But I'm not willing to throw out the baby with the bath water. Though it's certainly fair to wonder why he hasn't spoken out on the specifics of 9/11, this particular thread is toxic, and rightfully so, so that's why I feel DD needn't be involved in it, much less targetted. It's not about him. It's about alleged WNs, socalled "leaders", who have been suppressing our free speech to expose the jew parasites.

Look, guys, ann2 isn't here to contribute, but to derail and post personal attacks. Can't you deal with her in another way?

Errr...

Excuse my ignorance, but, since when do cell phones operate at high altitudes?


You tell me. I have no idea at what altitude a cell phone becomes inoperable. I didn't mention cell phones at all, actually.

I'm assuming the passengers used the air phones available on the planes.

You do agree such technology exists, right?

Why are you people still arguing about Stormfart?

There are more important things to think about, you know.

We are moving on. Parting shots are in order.

9/11 passenger phone calls proven false.

Pilots for 9/11 truth: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/amrarticle.html

Look, guys, ann2 isn't here to contribute, but to derail and post personal attacks. Can't you deal with her in another way?

Deal with me in another way? What are you suggesting?

I checked how soon cell phones stop operating from an airliner. Unfortunately I didn't have an altimeter with me, but we were not very high at all. Could still clearly see the tractors they use to pull planes around with, and people on the ground.

The stewardess came by and said she knew I was checking the altitude cell phones stop working, but to turn it off. I'd already lost service.

I'm hearing from several that Stormkosher remoderates Sustaining members when their SM time runs out, and are only taken off Moderation when they pay more money.

Extortion, I believe it's called.

Cmon Mick...as long as you were there, you know that anyone on moderation is allowed to post in SM without moderation when they become SM. This is nothing new.

Cmon Mick...as long as you were there, you know that anyone on moderation is allowed to post in SM without moderation when they become SM. This is nothing new.

Is that only people who WERE previously on Moderation that are set back to moderation, or is it even SM's whose Sustaining Membership expires and go back to being regular members?

I never came across the issue. I moved up to SM within a few months of joining and had several years of SM remaining.

9/11 passenger phone calls proven false.

Pilots for 9/11 truth: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/amrarticle.html


"Pilots for 9/11 Truth"?

Hardly an impartial source, Fred.

I can post links to sites that firmly believe the Moon landings were hoaxed, that extra-terrestrials routinely abduct humans for experimentation, that ghosts haunt the living, Bigfoot walks the woods, etc.

Besides, the link you posted deals with just 1 phone call.

I checked how soon cell phones stop operating from an airliner. Unfortunately I didn't have an altimeter with me, but we were not very high at all. Could still clearly see the tractors they use to pull planes around with, and people on the ground.

The stewardess came by and said she knew I was checking the altitude cell phones stop working, but to turn it off. I'd already lost service.


Was the plane equipped with an air phone?

I checked how soon cell phones stop operating from an airliner. Unfortunately I didn't have an altimeter with me, but we were not very high at all. Could still clearly see the tractors they use to pull planes around with, and people on the ground.

The stewardess came by and said she knew I was checking the altitude cell phones stop working, but to turn it off. I'd already lost service.

I heard that even at low altitudes they don't work because of the distance between cell phone towers, and the speed at which planes travel. By the time they connect to the tower they have moved too far away, lose connection and connect to the next one, lose connection again and so on.

At any rate, I tried to use a cell phone in 2002 during take off, and I could not get a connection for more than a second, followed by about 5-6 seconds of no connection, so making a phone call was impossible.

From what he says, it don't matter what I say here. he's such a good troll, that he will win. Trust me Scott. If I can see that you're being a troll, most of the other folks here will also notice. Just as I said before, THERE IS NO PROOF OF ANY WRONG DOING ON SF ADMINISTRATION'S PART! NONE!

Here's a rep. from the troublemaker himself...

ScottRoberts

''you are out of your league.. ANYTHING you say I will turn it around on you and thank you for the assist on the back end. Once again, thanks! Keep it up.''

"You can't piss on me and tell me it is raining.

What is at the bottom of this? Mossad agents running amok, planting explosives in these buildings, choreographing a controlled demolition to the plane strikes which they also aided and abetted? Hiding all this from the American intelligence agencies, which we all know are crawling with Jews, if not commanded by Jews? For example Michael "good o'l Mike" Chertoff? Mike, the Secretary of Homeland Security and a committed Israeli? How much hiding would they have to do, from one Jew to another?

Jews, Israeli Jews, Jews who are loyal to Israel and Judaism before America? Jews who are known in fact to despise America as an essentially European polity? Jews who would attack American interests, Jews who would order an attack on the USS Liberty, Jews who would plant bombs at American facilities as we know they did concerning the Lavon affair? Jews who will draw no line when it comes to Jewish interests?

Jews who stockpile nuclear weapons? We know they have. Jews who would develop and stockpile poison weapons of mass destruction, such as gas and viral agents? We know they have. We know they have such weapons at their disposal this day. Jews who openly speak of the Samson Option?

Jews who think themselves threatened existentially at all times by everyone, everywhere? Jews who kill, kill, kill and attack attack attack, all the while pointing the finger at their victims?

Is it all so unbelievable given the circumstances, given the history, given their nature, that these same Jews might very well have a hand in a catastrophic, devastating act of terroristic warfare that serves their interests to a T?"

and,

"Jews, Jews, Jews. It's all about Jews and everyone knows it. Jews do control the American media and everyone knows it. Jews do pull political strings and everyone knows it. Jews do supply effectively all the political funding in America and everyone knows it.

Jews did attack the USS Liberty in full knowledge that it was an American ship and everyone knows it. LBJ let them off the hook because of his political involvements and everyone knows it. George Bush the Second invaded Iraq because the Jews wanted that invasion and everyone knows it, George lied to Congress and everyone knows it, and everyone in the Congress knew they were being lied to at the time and still went along because they wanted, needed, to accommodate Jew interests.

And we all know it. Even Jews will occasionally admit it. Everyone knows it.

Stormfront is the gathering place for those who not only "know it" but refuse to be Jew whores.

That is the difference between ourselves and Geraldo and Napolitano and Ann "I'm a shiksa" Coulter. And all those other whores like Rush and Hannity.

We ****ing say so."


It has been about 5 hours since the above quoted words were posted at Stormfront, by the poster "Jack Boot." I am not surprised that all the "Jack Boot is a jew" posters here haven't acknowledged it.

Close the thread fellows, and save whatever self respect you might still have.

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As he contradicts everything he said previously. :rolleyes: Is he just braindead or just trying to play both sides of the board? What is, is. So many have been banned for simply speaking out against the jews, and that's a fact. One must conclude something's damn fishy here. The proof is in the pudding. If you believe the jews are behind everything, you don't bann other SFers for saying so. Rather than showing self respect by closing this thread, why don't you show some self-respect and leave SF?

Was the plane equipped with an air phone?

The plane I was on? I don't recall. I was just seeing where I lost service.

I heard that even at low altitudes they don't work because of the distance between cell phone towers, and the speed at which planes travel. By the time they connect to the tower they have moved too far away, lose connection and connect to the next one, lose connection again and so on.

At any rate, I tried to use a cell phone in 2002 during take off, and I could not get a connection for more than a second, followed by about 5-6 seconds of no connection, so making a phone call was impossible.

We were in steep climb still just after lift off when I lost service.

the link you posted deals with just 1 phone call.
What reason could the pilots have for putting their careers on the line to support lies? A little critical analysis of the sources might reveal some clues.

If you had taken a serious look at the evidence presented, you would have seen that the feds had stated, in court records, that the phone calls reported were false reports.

Funny how some truth surfaces under the threat of viable evidence conflicting with your lies when you're a witness in court.

For those eight reasons alone, we would be justified in concluding, from simply this aspect of the official story, that the entire official story about 9/11 was a fabrication. This conclusion is greatly strengthened, however, by the almost definitive evidence that, besides the fact that Barbara Olson’s alleged calls could not have been made from a cell phone (which the US government now appears implicitly to have acknowledged), they also could not have been made from an onboard phone.40

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/amrarticle.html

Deal with me in another way? What are you suggesting?

How telling, that you don't deny the purpose of your presence here.

If you had taken a serious look at the evidence presented, you would have seen that the feds had stated, in court records, that the phone calls reported were false reports.



This is what I am talking about, Fred.

Please link me directly to the evidence of the federal government stating in a court record that the phone calls (there were many) reported (and recorded) from the hijacked jetliners were false reports.

From what he says, it don't matter what I say here. he's such a good troll, that he will win. Trust me Scott. If I can see that you're being a troll, most of the other folks here will also notice. Just as I said before, THERE IS NO PROOF OF ANY WRONG DOING ON SF ADMINISTRATION'S PART! NONE! Wolfie

I had to chime in on this one, this is the same methodology that the heebs and neocons use over on Kosherfront , they will call the the true WN's trolls or kikes to illicit a response to the negative and then try to get them banned by the SF heeb-modsquad. Seen it happen over and over,

I think Jack-jewboot is just trying to do some damage control, but did you notice how his reply was very condescending on the subject of the jews, and almost satirical in dealing with the heeb question?????

How telling, that you don't deny the purpose of your presence here.

I'm more concerned in what you said about "dealing with me". Again, what are you suggesting?

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This is what I am talking about, Fred.

Please link me directly to the evidence of the federal government stating in a court record that the phone calls (there were many) reported (and recorded) from the hijacked jetliners were false reports.


Itz in there, read it earnestly: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/amrarticle.html

I'm more concerned in what you said about "dealing with me". Again, what are you suggesting?
I'm suggesting that they ignore you, your purpose is flaming and derailment. Ignoring you is the best approach, IMO.

If our Zionist government would lie to the people about Pearl Harbor, then why wouldn't they lie about 9/11??

PEARL HARBOR MOTHER OF ALL CONSPIRACIES (http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/pearl.php)
Tags:

* CORPORATE MEDIA
* COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS/PROPAGANDA
* HIDDEN HISTORY
* WAR/DRAFT/VETERAN AFFAIRS
* WHITE HOUSE

President Roosevelt (FDR) provoked the attack, knew about it in advance and covered up his failure to warn the Hawaiian commanders. FDR needed the attack to sucker Hitler to declare war, since the public and Congress were overwhelmingly against entering the war in Europe. It was his backdoor to war.

FDR blinded the commanders at Pearl Harbor and set them up by -

1. denying intelligence to Hawaii (HI)
2. on Nov 27, misleading the commanders into thinking negotiations with Japan were continuing to prevent them from realizing the war was on
3. having false information sent to HI about the location of the Japanese carrier fleet.

I'm suggesting that they ignore you, your purpose is flaming and derailment. Ignoring you is the best approach, IMO.

Irony.
:D

"Pilots for 9/11 Truth"?

Hardly an impartial source, Fred.


Sorry but 2 + 2 = 4 is true no matter who says it; your dismissive rhetoric notwithstanding. If you want to be taken seriously, please feel free to actually read the piece and proffer some substantive criticism.


I can post links to sites that firmly believe the Moon landings were hoaxed, that extra-terrestrials routinely abduct humans for experimentation, that ghosts haunt the living, Bigfoot walks the woods, etc.


But do they have credible references? Is their reasoning sound? Does their information comport with the other evidence?


Besides, the link you posted deals with just 1 phone call.

LOL! A critically important phone call, which, if proven to be a deliberate deception, i.e., a lie (which it already has), basically proves the whole Kosher narrative to be a fabrication.

This is what I am talking about, Fred.

Please link me directly to the evidence of the federal government stating in a court record that the phone calls (there were many) reported (and recorded) from the hijacked jetliners were false reports, by Donnie

This is also a common tactic at kosherfront that is probably responsible for all us sour-grape ex-members, (although I am sure Donnie is above reproach:D). Pro-official story posters zealously support the heeb side of the argument, arguing down to the most minute details to uphold the official kosherfront and 911 commission report findings on 911. Why bother? There is really nothing to gain by supporting the Paul Wolfowitz, Richard pearl, and David Horowitz version of events on 911, except more TSA-ZOG control mechanisms.

Under yet another of my banned accounts, I posted about these trolls and shills.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t625486/




9. Keep in mind that while you are doing steps 1-8 you need to also be complaining to the owners of the forum to see if you can pressure them into deleting the offending hateful thread. You will be surprised how many goyim have been brainwashed successfully into feeling white guilt and will do exactly as you request and many times the moron [aka Jew Bootlicker] will even ban the person giving you difficulty.


Pretty accurate.

But do they have credible references? Is their reasoning sound? Does their information comport with the other evidence?


Yea, like yours does.

If our Zionist government would lie to the people about Pearl Harbor, then why wouldn't they lie about 9/11??

PEARL HARBOR MOTHER OF ALL CONSPIRACIES (http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/pearl.php)
Tags:

* CORPORATE MEDIA
* COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS/PROPAGANDA
* HIDDEN HISTORY
* WAR/DRAFT/VETERAN AFFAIRS
* WHITE HOUSE

President Roosevelt (FDR) provoked the attack, knew about it in advance and covered up his failure to warn the Hawaiian commanders. FDR needed the attack to sucker Hitler to declare war, since the public and Congress were overwhelmingly against entering the war in Europe. It was his backdoor to war.

FDR blinded the commanders at Pearl Harbor and set them up by -

1. denying intelligence to Hawaii (HI)
2. on Nov 27, misleading the commanders into thinking negotiations with Japan were continuing to prevent them from realizing the war was on
3. having false information sent to HI about the location of the Japanese carrier fleet.

When asked about men in high political office, Mr. Rosenthal said that no one in the last three decades has achieved any political power without Jewish approval. "Americans have not had a presidential choice since 1932 when [Franklin] Roosevelt was our man; every president since Roosevelt has been our man." (Even before Roosevelt the Jewish influence upon Woodrow Wilson (1913-21) was quite evident, as Henry Ford wrote in 1921 -- "Mr. Wilson, while President, was very close to the Jews. His administration, as everyone knows, was predominantly Jewish." The International Jew, Dearborn Publishing Co., III, p. 28-9).
The Hidden Tyranny, Part 1 (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/tyranny1.htm)

This is also a common tactic at kosherfront that is probably responsible for all us sour-grape ex-members, (although I am sure Donnie is above reproach:D). Pro-official story posters zealously support the heeb side of the argument, arguing down to the most minute details to uphold the official kosherfront and 911 commission report findings on 911. Why bother?


This is VNNF. No individual and no topic is above reproach.

I wouldn't know about Stormfront. I don't post there, and haven't for years.

My own personal opinion is that White Nationalism can ill afford being yoked to, ahem...how to put this delicately...nutbars?

This is VNNF. Nobody and nothing is above reproach.

I wouldn't know about Stormfront. I don't post there, and haven't for years.

My own personal opinion is that White Nationalism can ill afford being yoked to, ahem...how to put this delicately...nutbars? by Donnie

Yes, that is exactly what the Kosherfront heeb patrol liked to call us, nutbars, tinfoil hatters, whacko's, truthers, Cter's, it was another weapon in their WN fighting heeb arsenal. Since no one is above reproach and speaking from experience , I would say that your commentary on this thread here mirrors the SF heeb squad to a tee.

nutbars?
When 86% of the WORLD understands that 9/11 was done by kikes, but you refuse to see it, who is looking like the "nutbar?"

When 86% of the WORLD understands that 9/11 was done by kikes, but you refuse to see it, who is looking like the "nutbar?"


If the Baby Ruth wrapper fits...

When 86% of the WORLD understands that 9/11 was done by kikes, but you refuse to see it, who is looking like the "nutbar?"



You just made that up, didn't you?

I've got a couple of bottles of Heavy Seas Loose Cannon IPA in the fridge, and you bastards are driving me to drink.:D

If the Baby Ruth wrapper fits...
Okay, I'm done, your jewish position has been stated.

Okay, I'm done, your jewish position has been stated.

Oh yea, in the years I have been a member of this forum, I'm well known for supporting Jewish positions. :rolleyes:

Since no one is above reproach and speaking from experience , I would say that your commentary on this thread here mirrors the SF heeb squad to a tee.

Your experience since you joined 24 days ago?

Oh yea, in the years I have been a member of this forum, I'm well known for supporting Jewish positions. :rolleyes:
Since the government position is clearly a lie, and there is overwelming evidence jews, CIA and rogue elements within the U.S. government not only committed the crime, but are tied directly to the cover-up, and you support that known position, you are with them. That makes you against us, you have chosen your side.

con·spir·a·cy
–noun, plural -cies.
1.
the act of conspiring.
2.
an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.


Whether the muzzies conspired to commit 9/11, or the jews did, or the government and the jews, or just the government, no matter which theory you support, you are a conspiracy theorist.

Since the government position is clearly a lie, and there is overwelming evidence jews, CIA and rogue elements within the U.S. government not only committed the crime, but are tied directly to the cover-up, and you support that known position, you are with them. That makes you against us, you have chosen your side.



You constantly assert your opinion as fact when no such facts are in evidence, Fred.

You can believe I'm against WN if you wish. Means nothing to me.

You constantly assert your opinion as fact when no such facts are in evidence, Fred.

You can believe I'm against WN if you wish. Means nothing to me.
Maybe, but I'm calling bullshit on this entire post.

If our Zionist government would lie to the people about Pearl Harbor, then why wouldn't they lie about 9/11??

PEARL HARBOR MOTHER OF ALL CONSPIRACIES (http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/pearl.php)
Tags:

* CORPORATE MEDIA
* COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS/PROPAGANDA
* HIDDEN HISTORY
* WAR/DRAFT/VETERAN AFFAIRS
* WHITE HOUSE

President Roosevelt (FDR) provoked the attack, knew about it in advance and covered up his failure to warn the Hawaiian commanders. FDR needed the attack to sucker Hitler to declare war, since the public and Congress were overwhelmingly against entering the war in Europe. It was his backdoor to war.

FDR blinded the commanders at Pearl Harbor and set them up by -

1. denying intelligence to Hawaii (HI)
2. on Nov 27, misleading the commanders into thinking negotiations with Japan were continuing to prevent them from realizing the war was on
3. having false information sent to HI about the location of the Japanese carrier fleet.


But before that, it's important to understand that it was again, the jews who manipulated us into WW2. Roosevelt, under the influence of world jewry, were working furiously, by any means to get Germany to attack America or it's interests, but were unsuccessful. So what's a jew to do. Jews knew Japan had a War Pact with Germany, so instead they turned their focus on forcing Japan to attack the US, which would force Germany to declare war on the US. By the embargo of oil and other commodities on Japan by the US, they forced Japan, an industrial powerhouse with no natural resources of their own, to either go back to rice farming, or do what men do when their nation's are under economic attack by another nation. They make war. Again, the jews were at the bottom of this catastrophe, America in WW2, which caused the deaths of millions of Whites. :mad:

Where did "Stonewall" go? He apparently never posted a link to the SF post he quoted. I guess it's just a hit-and-run?

Since it's not clear exactly what "Jack Boot" meant by the quoted text, I would've liked to have a look at the thread to see the context in which the statement was made.

In any case, if he is in fact now acknowledging at least a part of what actually happened, i.e., that the Jews did indeed rig the 3 WTC buildings for CD, then that is a reversal of his earlier stated position, since at the very least, the "U.S. government" had to have sanctioned that effort:

"Originally Posted by Jack Boot
By no means does the administration of Stormfront subscribe to the notion that the attacks on the WTC were carried out by Israel or by official sanction of the American federal government."

Moreover, if he is now acknowledging CD, then that's also at odds with what Don Black said about it:

Originally Posted by Don Black
The idea that this was a controlled demolition is just ludricrous, I think it makes us all look stupid to come up with these conspiracy theories.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t755211-16/#post8687527

"You can't piss on me and tell me it is raining.

What is at the bottom of this? Mossad agents running amok, planting explosives in these buildings, choreographing a controlled demolition to the plane strikes which they also aided and abetted? Hiding all this from the American intelligence agencies, which we all know are crawling with Jews, if not commanded by Jews? For example Michael "good o'l Mike" Chertoff? Mike, the Secretary of Homeland Security and a committed Israeli? How much hiding would they have to do, from one Jew to another?

[...]

We ****ing say so."


It has been about 5 hours since the above quoted words were posted at Stormfront, by the poster "Jack Boot." I am not surprised that all the "Jack Boot is a jew" posters here haven't acknowledged it.

Close the thread fellows, and save whatever self respect you might still have.

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Where did "Stonewall" go?
You give too much credit to these thread trasher yids from kosherfront.

You knew you were on moderation Robert. Not even the first time either, so you acting like you're so surprised is laughable and pathetic. LOL...you even said you tried to get JB to lift your moderation! He didn't, so here you are.

Hey moron, I wasn't on moderation, Let me hand you your ass by providing you this link to my Stormfront account (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/search.php?searchid=10028587) and take note the dates of all my posts.

I have never been moderated since I first joined Stormfront. Although I received warnings for using Inappropriate Language i.e the terms "Nigs," and "religious freaks," and also for "pushing buttons" when I pissed-off that fat bitch Lycia. I think that was when I asked her if she liked to wear leather. Some people have absolutely no sense of humor!

I also had received a couple of "time-offs" over the years, the last one was not because of anything that I did, but because some morons that didn't like my opinion on a subject got so pissed, that they were driven to call me names and make threats. And they got kicked for violating Stormfront rules. In the thread that this happened in, Jack Boots even admits that I didn't break the rules!

As a matter of fact, I even kept the message that Jack Boot attached to the reason for kicking me, check this out:
Your account has been disabled for the following reason: maybe I could have been more diplomatic myself

Date your account will be reenabled: 10-12-2010, 08:00 PM

Yeah, a couple of idiots calls names and makes threats over a matter of opinion, and it was my fault because I wasn't diplomatic enough.

Yeah, well Fuck You Jack Boot!

I guess I am supposed to be able to feel-out psychos over the internet.

Funny thing is, as you can probably tell, is that I learned to keep messages and posts after watching the way that the Culture of Jack Boot (culture meaning yeast infections) operated. The cabal of evil witches who attempt (and do quite a good job) to spin and control the goings on at Stormfront.

Apparently these choad hounds make little jack harder than a case of Viagra, because Jack Boot is willing to take a broomstick up his ass from these evil witches to please their every wish and desire.

By the way, which one are you? I just might have some of your choice comments saved as well.

Oh and to those who remember the SM thread that disappeared that was titled "What happened to Mick?" You know, the one where I handed you your asses and it was immediately deleted, what was that 40 pages @ 20 posts per page? Remember? Yeah? I got that too.

I have to thank VNN for providing the research material for that one. It really helped me expose those vicious bitches for who and what they really are. Ain't that right Suepeace and Lycia?

What was hilarious about that, is that I exposed them by pretending it was an apology. Then Suepeace sent me this PM:

10-14-2010 03:55 AM
Would you kindly remove the quotes and links from this post? Your apology was good enough without rehashing my whole cancer thing. I'm asking you nicely to please remove that stuff.

Yeah, it was the "cancer thing" that she didn't want to rehash, not the fact that I found out that she was flirting with another woman's husband via PM's, which by the way was the reason why Muad Dib got canned as the Senior Moderator at Stormfront.

LMAO! Man, I got tons and tons of this stuff. So go ahead and try to discredit me and piss me off, we'll see who comes out ahead in the end.

Hey moron, I wasn't on moderation, Let me hand you your ass by providing you this link to my Stormfront account (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/search.php?searchid=10028587) and take note the dates of all my posts.

I have never been moderated since I first joined Stormfront. Although I received warnings for using Inappropriate Language i.e the terms "Nigs," and "religious freaks," and also for "pushing buttons" when I pissed-off that fat bitch Lycia. I think that was when I asked her if she liked to wear leather. Some people have absolutely no sense of humor!

I also had received a couple of "time-offs" over the years, the last one was not because of anything that I did, but because some morons that didn't like my opinion on a subject got so pissed, that they were driven to call me names and make threats. And they got kicked for violating Stormfront rules. In the thread that this happened in, Jack Boots even admits that I didn't break the rules!

As a matter of fact, I even kept the message that Jack Boot attached to the reason for kicking me, check this out:


Yeah, a couple of idiots calls names and makes threats over a matter of opinion, and it was my fault because I wasn't diplomatic enough.

Yeah, well Fuck You Jack Boot!

I guess I am supposed to be able to feel-out psychos over the internet.

Funny thing is, as you can probably tell, is that I learned to keep messages and posts after watching the way that the Culture of Jack Boot (culture meaning yeast infections) operated. The cabal of evil witches who attempt (and do quite a good job) to spin and control the goings on at Stormfront.

Apparently these choad hounds make little jack harder than a case of Viagra, because Jack Boot is willing to take a broomstick up his ass from these evil witches to please their every wish and desire.

By the way, which one are you? I just might have some of your choice comments saved as well.

Oh and to those who remember the SM thread that disappeared that was titled "What happened to Mick?" You know, the one where I handed you your asses and it was immediately deleted, what was that 40 pages @ 20 posts per page? Remember? Yeah? I got that too.

I have to thank VNN for providing the research material for that one. It really helped me expose those vicious bitches for who and what they really are. Ain't that right Suepeace and Lycia?

What was hilarious about that, is that I exposed them by pretending it was an apology. Then Suepeace sent me this PM:



Yeah, it was the "cancer thing" that she didn't want to rehash, not the fact that I found out that she was flirting with another woman's husband via PM's, which by the way was the reason why Muad Dib got canned as the Senior Moderator at Stormfront.

LMAO! Man, I got tons and tons of this stuff. So go ahead and try to discredit me and piss me off, we'll see who comes out ahead in the end.

And yet it took moderation for you to decide that you were done with horrible old SF.

:rofl

Yeah, nobody can say you don't have sour groups.

BTW, if I was SP I would have already told you to fuck off and die. I'm not sure Lycia would even bother. :o

Where did "Stonewall" go? He apparently never posted a link to the SF post he quoted. I guess it's just a hit-and-run?

Since it's not clear exactly what "Jack Boot" meant by the quoted text, I would've liked to have a look at the thread to see the context in which the statement was made.

In any case, if he is in fact now acknowledging at least a part of what actually happened, i.e., that the Jews did indeed rig the 3 WTC buildings for CD, then that is a reversal of his earlier stated position, since at the very least, the "U.S. government" had to have sanctioned that effort:

"Originally Posted by Jack Boot
By no means does the administration of Stormfront subscribe to the notion that the attacks on the WTC were carried out by Israel or by official sanction of the American federal government."

Moreover, if he is now acknowledging CD, then that's also at odds with what Don Black said about it:

Originally Posted by Don Black
The idea that this was a controlled demolition is just ludricrous, I think it makes us all look stupid to come up with these conspiracy theories.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t755211-16/#post8687527

Yes, the context of his comments are questionable. Why all the question marks? Without the link, we can't be sure of his meaning.

But before that, it's important to understand that it was again, the jews who manipulated us into WW2. Roosevelt, under the influence of world jewry, were working furiously, by any means to get Germany to attack America or it's interests, but were unsuccessful. So what's a jew to do. Jews knew Japan had a War Pact with Germany, so instead they turned their focus on forcing Japan to attack the US, which would force Germany to declare war on the US. By the embargo of oil and other commodities on Japan by the US, they forced Japan, an industrial powerhouse with no natural resources of their own, to either go back to rice farming, or do what men do when their nation's are under economic attack by another nation. They make war. Again, the jews were at the bottom of this catastrophe, America in WW2, which caused the deaths of millions of Whites. :mad:

The thing that made me suspicious way back in junior high school was the fact that when america entered the war they invaded french territory in africa to cut off German oil supplies rather than hitting back at japan, and basically put most of their efforts into defeating germany and bombing japan was more or less an afterthought.

There is probably far more to it than that.

I know DD was beaten into submission by the yids, and only allowed to return home if he promised never to again besmirch the shylocks. Do you forget who runs this country? It's courts, police departments and it's legislative bodies?

I do not believe they are traitors of their own volition, but they have been compromised and threatened with life behind bars. Still, they should not be doing what they are doing. It is better to do nothing than to harm your own people.

Personally, I have nothing against David Duke, hell, the guy looks like he could be one of my blood brothers. I have always liked the guy from the first time I seen him on the Donahue Show back in the 70's. I think he has done a lot of good things in his days.

But that doesn't mean that I don't think that he is a shameless self-promoter, as are most book-hawks, but I can't overlook some of the comments he has made, such as the martyr statement, as well as certain politically correct comments, as well as the recent "send me cash and I will think about running for president" false promotion.

There are some other issues as well with his past personal life, and the corruption conviction, which I won't go into.

David Duke knows damn full well, as I do, that he has less than a snowballs chance in hell of ever being elected president in the JewSA.

But hell, I would still probably vote for the guy anyway.

Quote Roy:
Originally Posted by Fred O'Malley
Under yet another of my banned accounts, I posted about these trolls and shills.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t625486/



Quote:
Originally Posted by White Tribesman

9. Keep in mind that while you are doing steps 1-8 you need to also be complaining to the owners of the forum to see if you can pressure them into deleting the offending hateful thread. You will be surprised how many goyim have been brainwashed successfully into feeling white guilt and will do exactly as you request and many times the moron [aka Jew Bootlicker] will even ban the person giving you difficulty.

Pretty accurate.
Come to think of it, every time I nailed the kikes, I got banned from kosherfront.

Ringing any bells out there?

And yet it took moderation for you to decide that you were done with horrible old SF.

:rofl

Yeah, nobody can say you don't have sour groups.

BTW, if I was SP I would have already told you to fuck off and die. I'm not sure Lycia would even bother. :o

No dumbass, aka SugarBritches (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/member.php?u=160184), it was not moderation, it was blackmail.

Are you illiterate? Obviously you were unable to comprehend my post. Or perhaps you have chocolate smeared on your monitor and cant see it, sticky fingers?

Here, let me clarify that one more time for you, SugarBritches, it was blackmail. No, not a black male, blackmail.

Understand?

Back on topic:

Can you believe this two-faced piece of shit? He has banned me no less than 5 times for saying the same fucking thing. :mad:

Now we have Napolitano openly skeptical and Geraldo dancing around the idea.

Geraldo is generally identified with the Left. Napolitano, with the Right. Both are extremely cautious about being identified with "conspiracy theorists" yet both know BS when they see it.

The situation has matured to a point where no reasonable man, no matter his political convictions, is willing to make sheep noises and still look himself in the mirror.

"You can't piss on me and tell me it is raining."

What is at the bottom of this? Mossad agents running amok, planting explosives in these buildings, choreographing a controlled demolition to the plane strikes which they also aided and abetted? Hiding all this from the American intelligence agencies, which we all know are crawling with Jews, if not commanded by Jews? For example Michael "good o'l Mike" Chertoff? Mike, the Secretary of Homeland Security and a committed Israeli? How much hiding would they have to do, from one Jew to another?

Jews, Israeli Jews, Jews who are loyal to Israel and Judaism before America? Jews who are known in fact to despise America as an essentially European polity? Jews who would attack American interests, Jews who would order an attack on the USS Liberty, Jews who would plant bombs at American facilities as we know they did concerning the Lavon affair? Jews who will draw no line when it comes to Jewish interests?

Jews who stockpile nuclear weapons? We know they have. Jews who would develop and stockpile poison weapons of mass destruction, such as gas and viral agents? We know they have. We know they have such weapons at their disposal this day. Jews who openly speak of the Samson Option?

Jews who think themselves threatened existentially at all times by everyone, everywhere? Jews who kill, kill, kill and attack attack attack, all the while pointing the finger at their victims?

Is it all so unbelievable given the circumstances, given the history, given their nature, that these same Jews might very well have a hand in a catastrophic, devastating act of terroristic warfare that serves their interests to a T?

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t759756-2/#post8727396

I guess it's kosher now, since his hero Geraldo has come forward truthing.

I guess the yids know they can't contain it, so they are trying to lead the dissent, with jewboot at the forefront. He has received his orders.

We are moving on. Parting shots are in order.

After 5 years, I have several salvos to launch! :D

Yeah, some principles, huh?

Laugh out loud Robert....should have know with that name:D Bilderbooger

I do admire your sense of humor....

No dumbass, aka SugarBritches (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/member.php?u=160184), it was not moderation, it was blackmail.

Are you illiterate? Obviously you were unable to comprehend my post. Or perhaps you have chocolate smeared on your monitor and cant see it, sticky fingers?

Here, let me clarify that one more time for you, SugarBritches, it was blackmail. No, not a black male, blackmail.

Understand?

LOL...I do believe you think you have outed me Robert. Hate to disappoint you, but I already said who I was long ago. Catch up little man.

Thanks for linking to that thread.

Even after reading it, I still don't know where "Jack Boot" is coming from. He's posing the statements as questions, sounds a little sarcastic, and apparently isn't responding to any particular other post. So what does it really mean?

Taken at face value, everything he says is true, as far as it goes, but as per my earlier post, he doesn't go far enough.

In any case, in looking at that thread, the Jew trolls there are so getting so laughably absurd; e.g., in post #4, "SingleMalt" says:

"9-11 truth, the destruction of Israel, and the dismantling of the Israel lobby might all be good things but they do absolutely nothing to further the goals of white nationalism. If you really are interested in preserving Western civilization and converting people to the cause concentrate on issues like immigration, economics, crime, and how multiculturalism does not work. Going on and on about the Jews and Jewish conspiracies just furthers the stereotype that we're all a bunch of Neo-Nazi's and does nothing to help win the demographic battle."

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t759756/#post8725156

Back on topic:

Can you believe this two-faced piece of shit? He has banned me no less than 5 times for saying the same fucking thing. :mad:



http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t759756-2/#post8727396

Yeah, no shit! They aren't afraid to come out of the closet now that the WNs are gone, those who dared to call YID on them.

Is that only people who WERE previously on Moderation that are set back to moderation, or is it even SM's whose Sustaining Membership expires and go back to being regular members?

I never came across the issue. I moved up to SM within a few months of joining and had several years of SM remaining.

Oh, you're Mick!

Nice to know that you are here on VNN.

How did you know that I defended you? Do you know the details on how the "Where is Mick?" thread progressed and how it ended - or rather, was deleted?

Yeah buddy, I defended you and took quite a lot of crap from Lycia, Suepeace, WolfsCompass, and the rest of those two-faced cottage cheese factories.

Those who pretended to be your "friend" turned on you like a pack of ravenous hyenas, let me tell you!

Did you know that they were reading your PM's and that they were sharing them within the cabal?

They were posting all of your personal info, pictures and whatnot.

I kept suggesting that those who violated your account should have been fired and that you should sue them based on the fact that you should have a legally reasonable and expected amount of privacy when you send a PM, hence the term "Private Message."

Oh, but they didn't like hearing that from me. They attacked me like a pack of wild niggers on a white girl.

I brought up the fact that it was similar to the incident which got Muad Dib canned, and they went ballistic, and tried to twist it into a 'Robert defaming the sacred Muad Dib' debate.

What was funny, was that I forgot all the details from years ago, and it turned out that I had some of the incident confused with another similar incident. So I didn't have all my facts quite right.

But what I did find, by researching the VNN forums (because they deleted the forum at Stormfront), was that it wasn't Muad Dib who was sending dirty PM's to a woman, It was Suepeace who was sending dirty PM's to another members husband! :D

So, being the sly bastard that I am, I made a post actually apologizing to Lycia and Suepeace, and I linked and quoted all the pertinent posts that were made here at VNN: Muaddib is permabanned from Stormfront (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=40503).

Well, they literally pissed in their pants! It was really hilarious! I exposed those lying yeast infected troglodytes for what they really are! It was great!

It was about 3:45 AM when I made the post, and within minutes I received this PM from Suepeace:
10-14-2010 03:55 AM
Would you kindly remove the quotes and links from this post? Your apology was good enough without rehashing my whole cancer thing.

I'm asking you nicely to please remove that stuff.

Apparently this cancer she supposedly had, and miraculously recovered from, had made her horny and want to screw other women's husbands.

I was actually going to delete my post, I figured that I had made my point and that they realized that they were messing with the wrong person. So when I went to the thread to delete the post, the entire thread had already been deleted!

I am sure that if there are any morons, like SugarBritches aka Ann2, who want to doubt the credibility of my story (Seeing that Stormfront deleted the "What happened to Mick ?"thread), Alex Linder can access my account and verify the dates and threads I accessed as well as possibly the links from external sites to this forum and that particular thread on 10-13/14-2010.

It was also in that Stormfront thread that Lycia said she would ban me if she could, simply because I kept insisting I was right and she was pissed-off at me. I told her that that was exactly why she shouldn't be a moderator, and she completely flipped-out! :D

It was also in that thread that she stated that a users account should be reset after a period of time, because people like you and me, who have been there for a while and have great reputations, are seen by new members as important or as a part of Stormfront, and that we can easily manipulate or misguide new members from buying into their-Stormfront's/Moderators bullshit.

One interesting fact, is that since that incident, they have left me alone. Suepeace and Lycia haven't said one single word to me since.

Although I am curious as to who the moderator was that deleted that thread. I don't think Lycia has the admin rights to do so, so I assume it was either Jack Boot or Don Black. I bet Suepeace was pissing herself while on the phone immediately calling and waking one or the other from their slumber, just to delete that information.

I swear, Stormfront is like a goddamn soap opera. Perhaps they can get their own reality TV show some day?

Edit:

I also found this message that Lycia sent me in a reputation message after I posted the apology:

10-15-2010 07:31 PM

I apologize for the "I don't like you." I sometimes dislike your posts, but chances are if we sat down face to face we'd get along fine. The Mick thread is gone or I would have said this in public.

Originally Posted by Donnie in Ohio
There is documented video evidence that the hijackers boarded the 4 planes.
Link please.

There is no such video evidence. They weren't on the passenger manifests, there was never any DNA found, but a pristine passport was miraculously located a block from ground zero, the owner of which may still be alive.
__________________

Al Jezeera has done interviews with some of the "hijackers" post 9/11.

From what he says, it don't matter what I say here. he's such a good troll, that he will win. Trust me Scott. If I can see that you're being a troll, most of the other folks here will also notice.

Here's a rep. from the troublemaker himself...

ScottRoberts

''you are out of your league.. ANYTHING you say I will turn it around on you and thank you for the assist on the back end. Once again, thanks! Keep it up.''


Right. I am the "troll". OK. And "everyone can see it". Just like they can see that I am the "hateful" one, simply because the Jews repeatedly say it's so.

With every point I made in my last response to you: http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1197794&postcount=1211 this is the best you could come up with? You couldn't rebut a single thing? No defense? No response at all, other than to call me a "troublemaker" and a "troll"(you forgot to call me a "traitor")?

Here's another post from the beginning of our "dialogue" that you have also failed to rebut: http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1189090&postcount=48 You have continued this trend throughout the thread. Ignoring the relevant points, but returning countless times to argue and disrupt at every possible opportunity....contributing nothing positive along the way and failing to make an argument for your own position (name calling and empty claims don't count).

Whenever you get cornered and find yourself with no possible defense, you bail out and pretend that you didn't even see the damning comments that were made against you and your position. Another convenient benefit of remaining anonymous, since you can push your agenda with no concerns for your "reputation" or credibility. It's easy to disrupt, but you have proven that you cannot even dispute the points I have made, so you selectively ignore them. Yet you call me the "troll"?

I bet that you would respond to my every comment IF I were to play along and engage you on your level with some name calling and other disruptive nonsense. You sure didn't miss that "reputation" note I sent you (in private) and made sure to respond to it (publicly), just as I knew you would. Every relevant point I have made (in that response to you and throughout this thread) has been conveniently ignored, but you damn sure couldn't wait to respond to that.


Just as I said before, THERE IS NO PROOF OF ANY WRONG DOING ON SF ADMINISTRATION'S PART! NONE!

You can "say" it 10,001 times, and you can use all the caps you want, but your "saying it" doesn't make it so. People can decide for themselves, based on the evidence offered in this very thread, which is based ENTIRELY on THEIR behavior. Why not allow them to make their own judgments?

Jews don't like open discussions either. They don't want the Gentiles to think for themselves and will do whatever they can to disrupt them along the way. Open dialogue is to them what a silver bullet is to a werewolf, so they will do anything they can to stop it (and the desperation shows). When they lose a debate, they simply ignore the points they cannot rebut and get right back to trying to disrupt the conversation (in absence of having the power to censor). But that's just one of the many tactics that you have conveniently demonstrated for us in this very thread, so once again I thank you for the assists!

Getting deep in here.

Al Jezeera has done interviews with some of the "hijackers" post 9/11.


Only if they used a Ouija board.

Laugh out loud Robert....should have know with that name:D Bilderbooger

I do admire your sense of humor....

And I have always admired you too, Mo3. ;)

I am glad you post here. At least I am not leaving all of my WN friends behind me.

And hopefully the rest will make a run for it before the bridges I set afire at Stormfront turn to ashes. :D

Scott's right, the shill is a troll. Why don't you review his posts and see if you can come up with anything but crap.

Only if they used a Ouija board.
Like the one the NIST commission used to dupe you with?

Well Robert, I had/have some on the inside there in SM's, who were telling me some of what was going on, but I've never seen the whole banana....(So to speak) I do understand that someone, I think it was (Desertfox) posted my business website that has a picture of me from about or 5 years ago on it. He asked me for permission to post my business site, and I told him "NO" but apparently he didn't listen. He has a tendency to run with the ball a bit when he gets wound up, and that's not a secret. .

As to WolfsCompass, she helped me find help for my wife when I first discovered all was not well with her health.

She told me she had gotten really mad at me for talking as I'd done and had ripped me apart over there. She told me that under one of the other accounts I made and was using there for a while.

In light of her help with my wife, thanks to WolfsCompasses help, we had full support aboard within I think two or three days, so whatever she said about me I don't care about.

As to the rest of them, I know what I said and did, and don't apologize for one bit of it. Not one word of it, though I'd like to see who was complaining and what was allegedly said, if you have the file, I can give you an email address to send it to. It's so easy to forge PM's it's not funny. I wrote a couple of faked forwarded PM's to WolfsCompass just to show her how it can be done. Sent her a couple 'supposedly' from Don Black...lolz...

Funny how Sue is now a mod after being involved in some shenanigans, and I'm banned, but all for good I honestly believe. I wish Sue continued good health, as cancer is no fun in any shape or form. Wouldn't wish that on anyone, not even my worst enemy. I am a bit curious how Sue managed to go from butt broke to apparently doing fine.

We still need to address the fact that we're all still caught up in "Talkerie" mode as the Protocols said they'd do for us....we're talking and talking, and talking about talking, and aren't accomplishing a whole lot. We need to change that.

Muad is here....I'm sure he'll pop up in due time.

Again, thanks for standing up for me, Robert. One thing I objected to was not being able to defend myself or be confronted by my accusers. I didn't think that was quite White. I guess it should let everyone know their PM's on Stormfront are not Private at all. But that's how it is on Slavefront.

Originally Posted by Fredrick
Al Jezeera has done interviews with some of the "hijackers" post 9/11.

Only if they used a Ouija board.

And passports magically sail through fireballs to land untouched right were the FBI can find them.
Lol give me a break. Someone has yet to explain to me how
cell phones work at altitude without a cell tower flying beside the airliner.
Or for that matter how the Arabs managed to shut off the USA's air defense so
they could pull off their plan in the first place. Sorry the whole 9/11 story is
just asinine.

Originally Posted by Donnie in Ohio
Only if they used a Ouija board.

I have been posting quite awhile over at Kosherfront Donnie boy, long enough to know when someone is a kid using their mom's computer.
"if the baby ruth wrapper fits ", and the "quija board" was the dead giveaway that we are in the juvenile thread now.

For those who are unaware, I am Robert on Stormfront.....well, I actually wont be any longer, but I won't elaborate on that right now....

Let me begin by saying that I have been a member of SF for over 5 years, have over 11k posts and a reputation that is well "beyond repute" - according to the Members of Stormfront, not the actual pungent yeast infected cabal that makes up a large portion of the primary Stormfront staff.

I have many, many friends at Stormfront. Many of the moderators are good and decent people too. Most of the people that post there do so because they have legitimate concerns about their race and the future it holds. But then there are also those who are nothing but parasites, and that is what this post is about, who the real parasites are.

I have been a witness and participant in many of the egregious fiascoes over the years at Stormfront, i.e. the crap they pulled with Yankee Jim, Baldy, Brother of the Woods, Scott Roberts, and most recently - Mick, as well as numerous others.

I stood up for them all, as best as I could, attempting to use a voice of reason to expose those festering fungal infections at Stormfront for the hypocrites that they are.

And it was because these friends of mine were banned from Stormfront, that I made my way here to VNN. Although, I haven't posted here often because I found it tedious to post to two separate forums.

The truth is, that Linder's VNN is, and always has been, a much freer and open forum for discussion. Whereas Stormfront is always suppressing opinions and topics as a means to protect their "reputation," and are always attempting to redefine what "White Nationalism," from their perspective, actually means, or better stated as, as it best suits them and their agenda.

I could continue to minutely define Stormfront, but I would probably go into a wild tangent, but I will say this - Stormfront is supposed to be a forum where WN's from various groups can go to discuss topics and issues that are of interest them, but that is the biggest lie of them all.

Stormfront has it's own agenda, and that is to garner influence and make money off of confused, angry and disillusioned White people. They are selective as to who they allow to voice their opinions there. Many people and groups have been banned from SF - simply because they don't fit into the definition of what a WN is according to which way the wind blows at Stormfront.

As Scott Roberts can testify to, is that the reality is that it's all about money to them. Something I too have known for a very long time as well.

The bottom line boils down to this simple question: What has Stormfront ever done for White People?

And the Answer is: Absolutely Nothing!

Which is also one of the reasons why I am flipping Stormfront two soaring eagles.....

After all my years of being a member, and all the contributions that I have made to that forum, I am now being "shaken down," or better known in the White World as being "kiked" by those who operate Stormfront.

On Wednesday 11/26/10, my Sustaining Membership expired, and when I logged on, I found that I was unable to make a post. I first assumed it was an error, logically assuming that the account reset to the default settings upon the expiration.

So I contacted a few moderators about the issue and they all said that I was placed under moderation and that they didn't have the administrative rights to take me off moderation, and that I had to contact Jack Boot to resolve the issue.

So I sent Jack Boot a PM, and this is the response I received:



We prefer that, outside of SM, your account remain on moderation. So obviously I am thinking, you know, WTF?

Keeping me from posting until I pay them money! This is absolutely kikery at it's finest! T.J.B.

And just as a simple matter of principle all I can say is.....Fuck You Jack Boot, Fuck You Don Black And Fuck Stormfront!

Ban me! Delete my account! I don't give a shit! You are not going to get one penny from me!

Of course, I sent Jack Boot and Don Black a response, nicely (seriously, nicely) asking for them to elaborate and give me an explanation, to which I have not received a response from either.

I was actually hoping that they would, because once I received this response and pondering it's meaning for a few seconds, which cannot be described as anything other than blackmail, I decided at that moment that I was through with them and all their BS, and that I would expose them for the greedy money grubbing filthy kikes that they really are!

They are always blustering about how they are the largest WN forum on the planet and all the members they have, and yet all they seem to do is beg for money - constantly!

They remind me of nigger pan handlers in front of a convenience store. T.N.B.

Year after year all I heard was; Don Black needs new servers, Don Black needs this, that and the other thing - or else Stormfront is going to disappear, and thus so will White Nationalism and the White Race! :rolleyes:

Take Note: It's the same spiel from the ADL and the SPLC.

After the last presidential election, they claimed that they had a need for new servers to keep up with demand. Many people sent in thousands of dollars and Don bought the best servers on the market at that time. Of course this was only a couple of years after the last begging for money/new servers upgrade.

What I thought was hilarious, was that the Stormfront website ran like crap, actually worse than it did before the new servers! Apparently it only took the genius, Don Black, a year and a half to figure out what the problem was, as the site has been running fine for only the last few months.

What they fail to tell people, is that is Don Black's business is hosting websites - his bread and butter, and he is also supposedly a computer consultant!!?? :D

It must be nice to be able to dupe decent hard working people with real jobs into replacing your tools and equipment every other year.

Of course the reality is that Don Black sits on his ass all day while his wife goes out to work in the real world to bring home the bagels.

Recently, within the last few months, they have started begging for money again. One of the wealthy members, Al Kelz, who has donated tons of cash to Stormfront, has recently made a post chiding members for not contributing enough, and now they are scrambling to force people to contribute. I assume, because he has has been hit hard by the economy and is no longer able, or willing, to hand out cash to Stormfront any longer.

As Scott Roberts so "rudely and inappropriately" asked before he was banned from Stormfront, "Where does the money go, Don?"

I suspect that it could be so that he and his family can go on ski trips to the Alps and to buy air time for Derrik and Don on AM stations, etc, etc, etc.

I have been aware of all this stuff going on for a long time, but I kept my mouth shut and tolerated more than I should have. Although I have been planning on leaving Stormfront for quite awhile, I would have done it sooner if it weren't for some of the truly great people that post there.

I am glad to see that some of those great people also post here on VNN, such as Alex Revision and Scott Roberts.

Anyway, I have been rambling on for too long and have to end it here. Although I do have a lot more to say on the topic of Jack Boot, as well as those festering pungent yeast infections AKA Lycia and Suepeace....and a select few others in their sewing circle, but I will have save it for another time.

I do have some great stories to tell. :D

GREAT to hear from you Robert. Always looked forward to reading your comments on SF. Never knew the respect was mutual, but I am honored to find out that it was.

Like you essentially pointed out, how dare we call them out on their behavior? We must be "trouble makers" or something. Shame on us for getting out of line and attempting to hold these chosen leaders accountable (I didn't "choose" them, did you?). Certain people are above questioning and discussion of their behavior is simple off limits. Didn't you get that memo (Wolfgang has SHOUTED it out several times here just in case you missed it)?

As you recall, I was merely suggesting that WE, as WHITE MEN, start holding OURSELVES to higher standards (am I wrong for suggesting that we break away from Jew defined "morality"?). That we should treat each other with respect and never look to take advantage of a situation (or each other), especially where other Whites are concerned ("Sustaining Members"). By extension that included the disclosure of certain financial information to the WHITES who were donating to SF. A POLITE request (initially at least) that was met with the typical resistance one would expect when "messing with" a Jews money (as opposed to an honorable White man). Followed by the name calling, false motives, and suspension (but of course!).

Notice that I disclosed personal information about my PAST voluntarily, years prior to this whole thing unfolding. It was never an issue amongst the SF brass for all those years and they never brought it up in response to the 1,500 posts I made during that time, but suddenly it became a "major issue" when they needed an excuse to ban me and deflect the focus of the conversation away from their behavior.

I was once a "Sustaining Member" myself (actually twice, since someone actually paid on my behalf at one point..thanks for the gesture to whoever that was), so I certainly had the right to ask where OUR money was being spent. Not an unreasonable request at all and it started off innocently enough. But boy did that open up an unsuspected can of worms, and their true colors started shining through (no better way of truly knowing a man than seeing how he responds when the pressure is on).

Of course they now claim that I brought all of this up due to some form of "jealousy" that suddenly came out of "nowhere". Sorta like the SUDDEN "antisemitism" Jews would have us believe springs up out of "nowhere" anytime someone attempts to hold them accountable. But hey, what else could they say? Other than to admit I had a point, that they were wrong (seems they have changed things up since), and then move on. Then again, these are the "untouchable" and "unquestioned" leaders of this "movement", and they are simply off limits and above having to ever admit to their "mistakes". So they obviously chose a different route, based on arrogance and shortsightedness, and it has come back to bite them in the ass (or in the pocket, where it seems to matter most to them).

Again, if a man has nothing to hide and if he is fighting for a righteous cause, then he would not fear questioning and he certainly wouldn't go so far as to ban anyone who dares to ask the "wrong" questions. And just like we know this about the Jews we have dealt with, the sudden shift of focus onto the messenger goes well beyond crossing the line. Such a response is contrived and deliberate, and only a guilty party would ever lower himself to responding in that manner. It's a tactical response, not an emotional one.

Being wrong is one thing, we have ALL made mistakes (to state the obvious).... But attacking those who attempt to hold us accountable for OUR actions is a very bad sign, and one we ALL need to take note of each time we witness it. Only Jews or dishonorable "men" engage in such behavior. There's really no two ways about it. And I hold them both in equal contempt.

Someone has yet to explain to me how
cell phones work at altitude without a cell tower flying beside the airliner.


The hijacked planes were equipped with in-flight air (satellite) phones.

Very interesting Robert, keep throwing it all out in this thread.

And Dicarlo saying we're throwing parting shots is speaking for himself, it's much more serious then that, now we are here to permanently discredit SF as an instrument of the enemy.

Here's a link to many articles showing that 7 of 19 alleged hijackers are alive and well, and living in Saudi Arabia, never having left Saudi.

http://www.google.com/search?q=7+of+the+19+hijackers+from+9%2F11+alive+and+well&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

I have been posting quite awhile over at Kosherfront Donnie boy, long enough to know when someone is a kid using their mom's computer.
"if the baby ruth wrapper fits ", and the "quija board" was the dead giveaway that we are in the juvenile thread now.



Well, your powers of deduction have not failed you so far.

Oh wait, yes they have.

The hijacked planes were equipped with in-flight air (satellite) phones.

No, they were not: www.pilotsfor911truth.com

Here's a link to many articles showing that 7 of 19 alleged hijackers are alive and well, and living in Saudi Arabia, never having left Saudi.

http://www.google.com/search?q=7+of+the+19+hijackers+from+9%2F11+alive+and+well&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Even the MSM has stated that the 9/11 alleged hijackers were alive and that their passports had been stolen by jews.
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a95alomaripassportstolen

No, they were not: www.pilotsfor911truth.com

I notice none of the "pilots" who run that site use their names. But they do have a "Donate NOW!" PayPal button.

I notice none of the "pilots" who run that site use their names. But they do have a "Donate NOW!" PayPal button.
You mean it isn't a zionist source?

I really don't give a shit, does the truth scare your willowy ass that much?

Again, thanks for standing up for me, Robert. One thing I objected to was not being able to defend myself or be confronted by my accusers. I didn't think that was quite White. I guess it should let everyone know their PM's on Stormfront are not Private at all. But that's how it is on Slavefront.I won't go into details into what they said, I am sure that you have heard it all already.

They never posted the PM's that you supposedly made in the forum, although they wrote what you supposedly said in the forum.

I couldn't believe it, and I didn't believe it. I had never known you to make comments or references of that sort-ever. But they insisted on trying to convince me that you were a perverted sociopath and one the most vile human beings that has ever walked the face of the Earth.

Desertfox stood up for you too, so I wouldn't be too upset with him.

As far as WolfsCompass is concerned, I never really had a problem with her. I got the impression that she was easily led and controlled by the others. And that is the only real thing that I held against her, being a willing participant when the others were obviously out on a tangent - kind of like the Manson family.

You mean it isn't a zionist source?

I really don't give a shit, does the truth scare your willowy ass that much?


What "truth" have you revealed, Fred?

Every single "Ah-Ha!" theory you submit has an utterly mundane explanation.

What "truth" have you revealed, Fred?
Let's see, first you check to see if a source is zionist and therefore reliable, then you discount every shread of fact as though you never saw it, and finally, you couldn't detect the clap on a bull elephant. Yeah, I guess you're right, the rags did it, NOT!

What "truth" have you revealed, Fred.

It Wasn’t the Arabs Stupid!

It wasn’t Arabs who sent our military into Afghanistan and Iraq to murder innocent women and children by the HUNDREDS of thousands – it was jews ( Bush’s neocons).

It isn’t Arabs who refuse to serve in the US Military in numbers proportionate to their population percentage – it is jews (1/10 of 1%, vs. 5%).
(I trained a LOT of combat troops during the Vietnam and Berlin Crisis era and I KNOW this fact FIRSTHAND!!!)

It wasn’t Arabs who sued to remove “under God” from the Pledge of Allegiance – it was jews.

It wasn’t Arabs who sued to remove the Ten Commandments from that Alabama courthouse, had Judge Moore removed from the bench and now seek to disbar him – it is jews.

It isn’t Arabs who sue to remove nativity scenes from public venues – it is jews.

It isn’t Arabs who erect menorahs in public venues in place of crosses – it is jews.

It wasn’t Arabs who sued to remove group prayer from public schools – it was jews.

It wasn’t Arabs suing to remove decorative lights from schools at Christmas – it was jews.

It isn’t Arabs who refuse to allow children to say grace over their school lunches – it is jews.

It isn’t Arabs who continue to impose affirmative action upon us in all walks of life – it is jews.

It isn’t Arabs who began and continue to expand militant feminism – it is jews.

It isn’t Arabs who buy off all our legislators with our own tax dollars – it is jews.

It wasn’t Arabs who tried to sink the USS Liberty and killed and maimed so many of its crewmembers during an extended attack – it was jews.

It isn’t Arabs enacting hate crime laws designed to outlaw criticism of themselves – it is jews.

It isn’t Arabs who run NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association) – it is jews.

It isn’t Arabs suing to force us to allow homosexuals to lead boy scout troops – it is jews.

It wasn’t Arabs who started and ran so many black militant organizations like the NAACP – it was jews.

It isn’t Arabs importing huge numbers of Somalians and Bantu into American cities – it is jews.

It wasn’t Arabs who formulated American legislation providing pensions to Russian jewish immigrants for doing nothing – it was jews.

It isn’t Arabs who run organized crime throughout America – it is jews.

It isn’t Arabs who import tons of drugs into America every day – it is jews.

It isn’t Arabs who literally own and run all of Hollywood’s moviemaking filth enterprise – it is jews.

It isn’t Arabs who literally own and run all of America’s mainstream media – it is jews.

It isn’t Arabs spewing obscenity and race-mixing propaganda from the TV and movie screens – it is jews.

It isn’t Arabs trying mightily to block release of the Mel Gibson movie, “The Passion” – it is jews.

It isn’t Arabs lying about and guilt tripping us with “the holocaust” – it is jews.

It isn’t Arabs stealing American tax dollars to fund all their holocaust monuments throughout America – it is jews.

It wasn’t Arabs who forged the Anne Frank “diary” – it was jews.

It wasn’t Arabs who lied about gas chambers at Dachau and Auschwitz – it was jews.

It wasn’t Arabs who lied about mass graves at Treblinka – it was jews.

It wasn’t Arabs who lied about jews being made into lamp shades and soap during WWII – it was jews.

It wasn’t Arabs who doctored WWII prison camp photos to appear to be belching smoke from crematoria – it was jews.

It wasn’t Arabs who used WWII pictures of dead non jews, claiming they were jews – it was jews.

It wasn’t Arabs who made anti-semitical talk punishable by death in Russia after they took power – it was jews.

It wasn’t Arabs who killed over 20 million Russian Christians – it was jews.

It wasn’t Arabs who looted and destroyed the Russian economy with their usury and greed – it was jews.

It isn’t Arabs who have amassed an illegal arsenal of over 300 nuclear weapons in the Middle East – it is the jews.

It isn’t Arabs who brag about controlling America – it is jews.

It isn’t Arabs who advocate the use of torture by and on Americans – it is jews.

It isn’t Arabs who twist American laws to punish anti-semitical speech – it is jews.

It isn’t Arabs endeavoring to get America to outlaw anti-semitical speech – it is jews.

It isn’t Arabs who sell goods that it is illegal in America to boycott – it is Israeli jews.

It isn’t Arabs who extort “fees” for allowing their kosher label on goods – it is jews.

It isn’t Arabs who retaliate against rock-throwing children by shooting them in the head – it is jews.
(I HAVE PERSONALLY WITNESSED THIS SADISTIC ISREALI PASSTIME)

It isn’t Arabs stealing land in Palestine – it is jews.

It wasn’t Arabs who ran down Rachel Corrie with a bulldozer – it was a jew.

It isn’t Arabs who have caused America to spend $2.5 trillion ($31,250 per American family) in the Middle East – it is jews.

It isn’t Arabs who send teams of trained assassins into foreign countries, including America, to kill people with whom Israel disagrees – it is jews.

It isn’t Arabs who run the ADL, which maintains dossiers on thousands of law-abiding American citizens, for the purpose of punishing those with whom they disagree – it is jews.

It isn’t Arabs who break into and enter the offices and homes of law-abiding American citizens, to procure evidence both for their database and in the hopes of getting evidence they can pass to the FBI for prosecution – it is jews.

It isn’t Arabs who have caused America to go from being the most-loved country in the world to the most hated – it is jews.

It wasn’t the Arabs who produced the biggest traitors to America in all history ( Rosenbergs – Pollard & more!) it was the jews

It isn’t the Arabs who participate in – support and or participate in EVERY MAJOR HOMOSEXUAL organization in America – it is the jews.

It wasn’t the Arabs who treatened the lives of Christian Actor /director MelGibson and his father for honoring God in his movie about the Passion of Christ – it was the jews!

It wasn’t an Arab Congressman that made the following disgusting blasphemy and open hatred of Christians on the floor of Congress “Do not let the forces of evil [Christians] take over to make this a Christian America.” Senator Howard Metzenbaum, 11/6/86) – it WAS A JEW!

It isn’t the Arabs who constitute an overwhelming majority of the treasonous Communist Party in OUR America – IT IS THE JEWS!

It isn’t the Arabs that want to take our guns away in America – it is the jews

It isn’t the Arabs who dominate the psychiatric quacks in America that keep our children drugged up 24/7 on Ritalin – it is the jews. (ONE of these stinking jew pseudophysicians has ruined my own teenage son’s life! It is a story EVERY AMERICAN PARENT NEEDS TO HEAR!!)

It wasn’t the Arabs who murdered several of my ex wife’s family in cold blood because they were Christians – it was the jews! ( My ex wife’s grandmother witnessed the horror of having her husband and sons murdered right before her very eyes by the sadistic jew CHEKA in the predominately Christian Ukraine!)

It wasn’t an Arab Mayor that turned the quaint Latin quarter of my grandparents into a rotted hellhole of porn/ sleaze – and a haven for homo-pervert bars – it was a jewess.

It is not the Arabs who dominate America’s virtually Marxist ‘Democrat Party’ of sleaze and filth – it is the jews ( over 90% of American jews are Democrats)

It is not the Arabs who have turned my once proud and wholesome America into a morally rotted corpse – it is the jews.

It is not the Arabs who percentage-wise dominate the militant in- you-face Christian hating – boy scout hating homosexual filth in America – it is the jews

It is not Arab representation in America that has turned virtually all of the former ‘educational channels’ on TV into vehicles for promoting atheism – it is the jews.

It was not the Arabs who have rotted/ruined perverted an entire generation of our youth with their filth, violence, vile language, perversions, gratuitous sex on cinema and TV- it has been the work of the jews

It wasn’t the Arabs who have worked tirelessly to insure never ending hatred between the races – it IS the jews ( eg. NAACP)

It isn’t Arabs who regularly phony up “hate crimes” against themselves – it is jews.

It wasn’t Arabs who caused the Great Depression – it was jews.

It wasn’t Arabs who dragged American Christian sons into WWI – it was jews.

It wasn’t Arabs who had JFK killed – it was jews.

It wasn’t Arabs who demolished the World Trade Center – it was jews.

AND —- It isn’t Arabs bent upon destroying Christianity – it is jews.

And lest we forget: It wasn’t Arabs who had Jesus Christ crucified – it was jews.

http://mynameisjoecortina.wordpress.com/2010/06/20/it-wasnt-the-arabs-stupid-it-was-the-jews-%e2%80%93-part-2/

you discount every shread of fact as though you never saw it



Funny, that is exactly how I feel about you.

No "a" in shred, btw.

I notice none of the "pilots" who run that site use their names. But they do have a "Donate NOW!" PayPal button.


To be certain, but the discussion at the link

www.pilotsfor911truth.com (http://www.pilotsfor911truth.com)

reviewing the issue of whether the 757 aircraft was in fact equipped with passenger or crew accessible satelite phones (and indicating that they were not so equipped in 2001) does seem worthwhile to clear up regardless of the bonafides of the website operators.

Yeah, I've always been puzzled by the "cell-phone" reportage out of 9/11. I'm OK with calling for further and additional pinning down of the technical issues, but personal bonafides are besides the point.

If I find more to report here, I shall.:)

The phone line from Flight 93 was still open when a GTE operator heard Todd Beamer say: 'Are you guys ready? Let's roll'
Sunday, September 16, 2001

By Jim McKinnon, Post-Gazette Staff Writer



"Are you guys ready? Let's roll!"

That's how Todd Beamer lived.

And that's how he died, helping to lead a takeover by passengers on United Airlines Flight 93, which crashed Tuesday in Somerset County. It was the fourth plane to go down in last week's terrorist attacks.

Beamer, an Oracle Inc. executive from Hightstown, N.J., and others are being credited with foiling hijackers bent on crashing the Boeing 757 into what authorities say might have been a second target in Washington, D.C., possibly the Capitol or the White House.

Flight 93 had left Newark, N.J., at 8 a.m. Tuesday, bound for San Francisco.

"That's Todd," his wife, Lisa, said yesterday of the "Let's roll!" command, which he made over the plane's in-flight telephone. A GTE supervisor talked with him for about 13 minutes before the plane crashed.

"My boys even say that. When we're getting ready to go somewhere, we say, 'C'mon guys, let's roll.' My little one says, 'C'mon, Mom, let's roll.' That's something they picked up from Todd."

Beamer, 32, told the GTE supervisor, Lisa D. Jefferson, that he and others on the plane had decided they would not be pawns in the hijackers' suicidal plot.

Jefferson told him about the other hijackings and Beamer made her promise to call his wife and their two boys, David, 3, and Andrew, 1.

Beamer's call connected at 9:45 a.m. He told Jefferson there were three hijackers, armed with knives. He did not know their nationalities or their intentions.

One of the men had what appeared to be a bomb tied to his midsection with a red belt.

Beamer said he could account for 37 of the plane's 38 passengers. The hijackers had forced 27 of them into the first-class compartment near the front.

Beamer, nine other passengers and five flight attendants were ordered to sit on the floor in the rear of the plane.

He did not know the whereabouts of the pilot, copilot and the remaining passenger. He said a flight attendant had told him the pilot and copilot had been forced from the cockpit and may have been wounded.

Two of the hijackers were in the cockpit with the door locked behind them. The man with the bomb stayed in the back of the plane, near Beamer's group.

With him were others who placed cell-phone calls from the plane, Jeffery Glick, 31, a sales manager for a technology firm, Thomas Burnett Jr., 38, a California businessman, and Mark Bingham, 31, a former college rugby player from California. Beamer mentioned Glick by his first name in the call to Jefferson, Lisa Beamer said.

Toward the end of his conversation with Jefferson, Beamer said the plane appeared to have changed directions a few times. Later, it would be determined that it had flown west from Newark to near Cleveland, then turned back to the southeast toward Pittsburgh.

Beamer became anxious.

"Oh! We're going down!" he shouted at one point.

He paused, then said in a calmer voice, "No, we're OK. I think we're turning around."

Beamer then told Jefferson that he and the others had decided to "jump on" the hijacker wearing the bomb.

Jefferson could hear shouts and commotion and then Beamer asked her to pray with him. They recited the 23rd Psalm.

He got Jefferson to promise that she would call his family, then dropped the phone, leaving the line open.

That's when Jefferson heard what Lisa Beamer believes were her husband's last words: "Let's roll."

Then there was silence. Jefferson hung up at 10 a.m. EST, realizing that the plane had gone down. Officials said it crashed at 9:58 a.m.

Although it's not yet clear what Beamer, Glick and the others were able to do, they are being hailed as heroes for forcing the plane down in a remote strip mine area in Stoneycreek, Somerset County, about 80 miles southeast of Pittsburgh.

"When the plane started to fly erratically, he said he knew he wouldn't make it out of there," said Lisa Beamer, who is expecting their third child in January.

Lisa Beamer said reports of her husband's heroic role had "made my life worth living again." Jefferson kept her promise and called Lisa Beamer at 8 p.m. Friday.

"It was the best thing that I could've gotten [Friday]. It totally changed the mood around here," Lisa Beamer said.

Jefferson, reached by telephone yesterday, declined comment. She said GTE's parent company, Verizon, may issue a statement tomorrow about Beamer's call.

Lisa Beamer said the call she received from Jefferson had lifted her family's spirits.

"We all knew what kind of person Todd was. We know he's in heaven. He was saved," Lisa Beamer said.

"Just knowing that when the crisis came up he maintained the same character we all knew, it's a testament to what real faith means.

"It's been a real uplift. It's put a spring in my step that I didn't have since Monday."

The couple met at Wheaton College near Chicago, hometown for both of them. After graduation and marriage, they moved to New Jersey and both took jobs at Oracle before starting a family.

"He's a great guy in a crisis. He would have had his family in the forefront of his thoughts. And he would not let other people overpower him," Lisa Beamer said.

You know how I feel about you.

You have pushed the zionist/jewish perspective of these events without regard for the truth, the evidence, or White nationalism. That Gentile Americans have been devistated in their collective and individual rights is apparent, therefore I have no problem with accepting what you are. I only wonder if you are getting paid by the jews.

I won't go into details into what they said, I am sure that you have heard it all already.

They never posted the PM's that you supposedly made in the forum, although they wrote what you supposedly said in the forum.

I couldn't believe it, and I didn't believe it. I had never known you to make comments or references of that sort-ever. But they insisted on trying to convince me that you were a perverted sociopath and one the most vile human beings that has ever walked the face of the Earth.

Desertfox stood up for you too, so I wouldn't be too upset with him.

As far as WolfsCompass is concerned, I never really had a problem with her. I got the impression that she was easily led and controlled by the others. And that is the only real thing that I held against her, being a willing participant when the others were obviously out on a tangent - kind of like the Manson family.


No, you're wrong about Wolfie...she is an independant, extremely intelligent woman. NO ONE leads her around, she thinks for herself.:D

a GTE operator heard Todd Beamer say: 'Are you guys ready? Let's roll' .

And so now you testify that it really was Todd Beamer. How gracious of you.

DUMBASS, IT WASN'T POSSIBLE!!!

Long text was here.


Hey, welcome to VNN, I made a post regarding this a few pages back. Check it.

Apparently at Scamfront, you must pay-to-post. Here's another poster whose SM expired and he was wondering why he can not post.

So they tell him that his account went back to default settings [as it was before he paid DB to post on his forum], but that doesn't explain why he was on moderation in the first place seeing how he is a WN on a WN forum [or at least it ought to be] nor does it explain why they won't remove him from moderation status after 5 years of service and 11,000 posts without him paying for it again.

When you pay, you're automatically good enough to post freely, when you don't pay, then you're automatically not.

How's this not a scam?

http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1197257&postcount=1119

And so now you testify that it really was Todd Beamer. How gracious of you.

DUMBASS, IT WASN'T POSSIBLE!!!





Of course it was possible, since it happened. The planes were equipped with air phones, which were used to make the calls.

You don't believe the recorded words of the actual passengers aboard the planes? Why would they lie about the plane(s) being hijacked?

Of course it was possible, since it happened. The planes were equipped with air phones, which were used to make the calls.
Read your own fucking post, they were using cell phones, purportedly. The planes HAD NO SAT PHONES, dumbass.

IT ISN'T POSSIBLE!!!
You don't believe the recorded words of the actual passengers aboard the planes?

No, since it was impossible, it was a fabricated piece of evidence by the perps.

Why would they lie about the plane(s) being hijacked?

Why would they hijack the planes in the first place? Maybe we should ask the Neocon jews at PNAC.

Do you have a carrot for a brain?

GREAT to hear from you Robert. Always looked forward to reading your comments on SF. Never knew the respect was mutual, but I am honored to find out that it was.

Like you essentially pointed out, how dare we call them out on their behavior? We must be "trouble makers" or something. Shame on us for getting out of line and attempting to hold these chosen leaders accountable (I didn't "choose" them, did you?). Certain people are above questioning and discussion of their behavior is simple off limits. Didn't you get that memo (Wolfgang has SHOUTED it out several times here just in case you missed it)?

As you recall, I was merely suggesting that WE, as WHITE MEN, start holding OURSELVES to higher standards (am I wrong for suggesting that we break away from Jew defined "morality"?). That we should treat each other with respect and never look to take advantage of a situation (or each other), especially where other Whites are concerned ("Sustaining Members"). By extension that included the disclosure of certain financial information to the WHITES who were donating to SF. A POLITE request (initially at least) that was met with the typical resistance one would expect when "messing with" a Jews money (as opposed to an honorable White man). Followed by the name calling, false motives, and suspension (but of course!).

Notice that I disclosed personal information about my PAST voluntarily, years prior to this whole thing unfolding. It was never an issue amongst the SF brass for all those years and they never brought it up in response to the 1,500 posts I made during that time, but suddenly it became a "major issue" when they needed an excuse to ban me and deflect the focus of the conversation away from their behavior.

I was once a "Sustaining Member" myself (actually twice, since someone actually paid on my behalf at one point..thanks for the gesture to whoever that was), so I certainly had the right to ask where OUR money was being spent. Not an unreasonable request at all and it started off innocently enough. But boy did that open up an unsuspected can of worms, and their true colors started shining through (no better way of truly knowing a man than seeing how he responds when the pressure is on).

Of course they now claim that I brought all of this up due to some form of "jealousy" that suddenly came out of "nowhere". Sorta like the SUDDEN "antisemitism" Jews would have us believe springs up out of "nowhere" anytime someone attempts to hold them accountable. But hey, what else could they say? Other than to admit I had a point, that they were wrong (seems they have changed things up since), and then move on. Then again, these are the "untouchable" and "unquestioned" leaders of this "movement", and they are simply off limits and above having to ever admit to their "mistakes". So they obviously chose a different route, based on arrogance and shortsightedness, and it has come back to bite them in the ass (or in the pocket, where it seems to matter most to them).

Again, if a man has nothing to hide and if he is fighting for a righteous cause, then he would not fear questioning and he certainly wouldn't go so far as to ban anyone who dares to ask the "wrong" questions. And just like we know this about the Jews we have dealt with, the sudden shift of focus onto the messenger goes well beyond crossing the line. Such a response is contrived and deliberate, and only a guilty party would ever lower himself to responding in that manner. It's a tactical response, not an emotional one.

Being wrong is one thing, we have ALL made mistakes (to state the obvious).... But attacking those who attempt to hold us accountable for OUR actions is a very bad sign, and one we ALL need to take note of each time we witness it. Only Jews or dishonorable "men" engage in such behavior. There's really no two ways about it. And I hold them both in equal contempt.

You really are a bright guy with a lot of talent, you are always well spoken and you always contributed a lot of great stuff to Stormfront.

As Mick can also testify, when they banned you, just as when they banned Mick and numerous others, you were the flavor of the week. Once they had a taste of blood, there was no stopping them.

I read what you had written on your website, and I agreed with you, it is, and should be a legitimate concern for anyone who contributes money to any organization.

If major corporations have to disclose their books, why shouldn't Stormfront? At least you would assume that they would do so voluntarily, that is, if they wanted to maintain their credibility.

Yet instead of providing a response and an explanation, they ban you, they begin threatening others who come to your defense with being banned, as well as a campaign to defame you and others who question their honesty, integrity and authority.

I was hoping that things would work out in the beginning of that fiasco, but everything just escalated. And then when you called Don Black, what was it, an asshole? that is when things really got entertaining! :D

Scott Roberts called our leader an "Asshole!"

I kept telling them that Don Black is a big boy and could defend himself, but they wanted blood!

I thought it was hilarious. Especially how easily offended some of those people are.

I have been called asshole and much worse, it doesn't have any effect on me. And I don't hold it against the person who calls me names either. Sometimes I am an asshole, I have accepted it, why can't they? :D

What it all really boils down to, is that Stormfront is still taking donations, and are still not disclosing the amount they receive or where the money goes. And they like it like that.

Anybody who questions their finances again, will get what is now known as 'The Scott Roberts Treatment'. :D

Read your own fucking post, they were using cell phones, purportedly. The planes HAD NO SAT PHONES, dumbass.


What part of "The phone line from flight 93" do you not comprehend?

No, you're wrong about Wolfie...she is an independant, extremely intelligent woman. NO ONE leads her around, she thinks for herself.:D

Yes, I think that too. ;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilderbooger View Post
I won't go into details into what they said, I am sure that you have heard it all already.

They never posted the PM's that you supposedly made in the forum, although they wrote what you supposedly said in the forum.

I couldn't believe it, and I didn't believe it. I had never known you to make comments or references of that sort-ever. But they insisted on trying to convince me that you were a perverted sociopath and one the most vile human beings that has ever walked the face of the Earth.

Desertfox stood up for you too, so I wouldn't be too upset with him.

As far as WolfsCompass is concerned, I never really had a problem with her. I got the impression that she was easily led and controlled by the others. And that is the only real thing that I held against her, being a willing participant when the others were obviously out on a tangent - kind of like the Manson family.

Wolfie felt I'd violated certain things, such as talking to other women about sexual things while being married, teasing around as I did with some. So that was why she filleted me on that thread. But that's ok. We've talked about it. I know where I can contact her.

I'm not sure all of what was claimed, but I will say I have very long ways to sociopath, no I didn't say anything that was perverted. Erotic or naughty yes, perverted no.

You'd be really surprised at what I have to talk about with people in real life and keep confidential at times in my line of work. Be assured it far surpasses anything I've ever said in private messages. The things adults are involved in that give them troubles spans the full range of possible and imaginable human experiences.

Treasuring a person no matter what they're involved in is one thing that is highly stressed in the training I've been through. When a person can be accepted by another no matter what twisted things they've been involved in gives them the opportunity to grow past whatever it is/was that is/was bothering them. I do that.

Strange of me to think WN's on Stormfront might hold similar values and ideals.

But could you please tell me again how Bjarni has come to be such an authority on the reader comments in porn magazines he claimed my posts resembled?? Now that was funny.

No doubt I do like writing erotica, received 'A's' in it in college, but decided quite a while before the whole issue came up to stop.

Now I can write about celibacy, as I explore that aspect of human sexuality as well.

No problems with Desertfox either....hope he's well. I simply no longer care what happened in my case. The larger issues of what Stormfront really is do still remain.

As I've said a couple times, we're all trapped in "Talkeries", diversions the Protocols of the Elders of Zion said they'd set up as distractions while they take over, even though we're talking about them, we're still just talking.

WE DECEIVE WORKERS (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion5.htm#protocol%20No.%2013)

3. In order to distract people who may be too troublesome from discussions of questions of the political we are now putting forward what we allege to be new questions of the political, namely, questions of industry. In this sphere let them discuss themselves silly! The masses are agreed to remain inactive, to take a rest from what they suppose to be political (which we trained them to in order to use them as a means of combating the GOY governments) only on condition of being found new employments, in which we are prescribing them something that looks like the same political object. In order that the masses themselves may not guess what they are about WE FURTHER DISTRACT THEM WITH AMUSEMENTS, GAMES, PASTIMES, PASSIONS, PEOPLE'S PALACES .... SOON WE SHALL BEGIN THROUGH THE PRESS TO PROPOSE COMPETITIONS IN ART, IN SPORT IN ALL KINDS: these interests will finally distract their minds from questions in which we should find ourselves compelled to oppose them. Growing more and more unaccustomed to reflect and form any opinions of their own, people will begin to talk in the same tone as we because we alone shall be offering them new directions for thought ... of course through such persons as will not be suspected of solidarity with us.

No, you're wrong about Wolfie...she is an independant, extremely intelligent woman. NO ONE leads her around, she thinks for herself.:D

Well, I never doubted her intelligence.

If she isn't easily led, then she is a willing participant, and I would conclude that she is doing so to fit-in with those who consider themselves to be the 'Stormfront Elite Feminazi Club.' Which is even worse than simply being led around by the nose by those middle-aged Vagisil addicts.

And being someone who needs to have a feeling of belonging or being needed, well, then she must just have a screw loose.

What part of "The phone line from flight 93" do you not comprehend?

Read your post, if any part of it is a lie, the whole thing is a lie, carrot-brain. The "cell-phone calls" is a lie, therefore the whole thing is a lie. Get it?

It is a fabrication.

Of course it was possible, since it happened. The planes were equipped with air phones, which were used to make the calls.

You don't believe the recorded words of the actual passengers aboard the planes? Why would they lie about the plane(s) being hijacked?

I never heard of "air phones" but there was a lot of talk at the time about the government using voice prints to stage the event.

The "cell-phone calls" is a lie, therefore the whole thing is a lie.




Your logic is hopelessly flawed, Fred.

Your baseless assertion that "The cell-phone calls is a lie" is not based in any fact, rather in your somewhat deluded mind.

Your logic is hopelessly flawed, Fred.

Your baseless assertion that "The cell-phone calls is a lie" is not based in any fact, rather in your somewhat deluded mind.
You have been given the proof 5 times and refuse to acknowledge it.

Your jewish-zionist position is duly noted and I'm finished with your crap.

You have been given the proof 5 times and refuse to acknowledge it.




You provided zero proof to acknowledge, Fred.

Anyone who reads through this thread will have no problem seeing that.

Calling posters on this thread. Did any of you read the proof posted in this link?

www.pilotsfor911truth.com

Apparently at Scamfront, you must pay-to-post. Here's (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t759343/) another poster whose SM expired and he was wondering why he can not post.

So they tell him that his account went back to default settings [as it was before he paid DB to post on his forum], but that doesn't explain why he was on moderation in the first place seeing how he is a WN on a WN forum [or at least it ought to be] nor does it explain why they won't remove him from moderation status after 5 years of service and 11,000 posts without him paying for it again.

When you pay, you're automatically good enough to post freely, when you don't pay, then you're automatically not.

How's this not a scam?

Actually, I am Robert. That was the thread that I made when I logged on and found out that I was unable to post to any threads.

New members, are not required to pay to post. Also, they are only moderated for a few posts and then are automatically unmoderated when they reach that limit.

Besides, if they attempted to charge new members in a pay to post scam, they wouldn't get any new members, they would simply tell Stormfront to "Go fuck themselves!"

The only way that this scam would work, would be to have a long term member who is regular contributor and who has a personal vested interest in maintaining their account.

And that is someone like me. Their mistakes are that they overestimated the importance of themselves to me and underestimated me and my resolve to continue my relationship with them.

It's their loss, not mine.

Every day this shitstorm gets bigger and bigger. Voice of Reason radio broadcast just did a hit-piece on the corruption at Stormfront. And you got growing-by-the-day veteran members from there exposing that the very same people who hold their chinny-chin high for white virtue's and morality, are nothing but common sleazebag reprobates.

Keep it up, burn that whole fucking zio-honey pot down in the name of truth and progress.

Phone calls from planes not possible on 9/11 (http://www.dogpile.com/clickserver/_iceUrlFlag=1?rawURL=http%3A%2F%2Flecanadian.com%2F2010%2F10%2F18%2F911-cell-phone-calls-from-airplane-not-possible-at-the-time-says-reseachers%2F&0=&1=0&4=184.38.40.115&5=184.38.40.115&9=f343dd9c673044718791e216098ecb01&10=1&11=info.dogpl.prefer&13=search&14=239138&15=main-title&17=4&18=1&19=0&20=3&21=1&22=Fn96eLj25A0%3D&23=0&40=wl61ZLfbq3u9CCGJqKDCsA%3D%3D&_IceUrl=true)

Is it possible to make a cell phone call from cruising altitudes in a jetliner? The answer is disturbing, disquieting, and emphatic.
http://bushstole04.com/911/strange_case.htm

The reported calls from airliners on 9/11 were faked.
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/phonecalls.html

More holes in the official story, calls not possible.
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html

If you need further proof, carrot-brain, I'll be close by.

You have absolutely no clue as to what you are talking about, or you are trying to fool other people into believing your illogical hypothesis.

Everything I stated is the absolute truth.

Who are your really? I seem to get the essence of yeast. Hmmm. Lycia? Suepeace?

I bet you have already started a thread about me too. You pathetic trolls.

As far as my friends here at VNN and why I haven't posted here, Yankee Jim is dead, and Baldy hasn't posted here in half a year. The others have faded away as so often happens. The rest of my answer was in the post I made.


I believe Ann2 is SugarBitches, I mean Britches.

Originally Posted by Donnie in Ohio
What part of "The phone line from flight 93" do you not comprehend?
Read your post, if any part of it is a lie, the whole thing is a lie, carrot-brain. The "cell-phone calls" is a lie, therefore the whole thing is a lie. Get it?

It is a fabrication.

The whole story is bullshit. Cell phones don't work at altitude. Never mind
when the investigators got there they said it was pointless for them to be there
because it wasn't even a crash scene. All the site had was scrap metal in a
trench.

I believe Ann2 is SugarBitches, I mean Britches.

I believe this was established many moons ago. I made no secret of it unlike some folks here. :)

I believe this was established many moons ago. I made no secret of it unlike some folks here. :)

Ahh yes, I just came upon that post. That's what I get for posting too quickly.

Every day this shitstorm gets bigger and bigger. Voice of Reason radio broadcast just did a hit-piece on the corruption at Stormfront. And you got growing-by-the-day veteran members from there exposing that the very same people who hold their chinny-chin high for white virtue's and morality, are nothing but common sleazebag reprobates.

Keep it up, burn that whole fucking zio-honey pot down in the name of truth and progress.

Perhaps someone with good photoshop skills could redo the SF banner in flames??

:D

Seriously, the mods, management, and ownership have been making seriously bad decisions....

Where did the dude with the carrot for a brain go?

Proved that bitch was a lying jew waterboy. He might not be a jew *cough*, but he sure carries their water for them. When the time comes, we'll be stacking them like cord-wood.

What part of "The phone line from flight 93" do you not comprehend?

Hey Donnie, what's your excuse for the Jews that got on Israeli TV and said, "We were there to document the event?".

Jew Bootlicker said they had "good intelligence". Like those crafty fucking kikes are so smart to set up a camera team to record an atrocity that's about to unfold instead of warning their American allies.

What's the excuse? Whatever it is, I'll give you credit for trying.

This is absolutely Hilarious! (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/member.php?u=100)

I posted two messages to Jack Boots profile page, one was a link to this thread and the other one simply said Fuck You Jack Boot!.

The SOB blocked the one with the link to this thread, but allowed the Fuck You Jack Boot! to remain.

:D

I was hoping that things would work out in the beginning of that fiasco, but everything just escalated. And then when you called Don Black, what was it, an asshole? that is when things really got entertaining! :D

Scott Roberts called our leader an "Asshole!"

I kept telling them that Don Black is a big boy and could defend himself, but they wanted blood!

I thought it was hilarious. Especially how easily offended some of those people are.

I have been called asshole and much worse, it doesn't have any effect on me. And I don't hold it against the person who calls me names either. Sometimes I am an asshole, I have accepted it, why can't they? :D

What it all really boils down to, is that Stormfront is still taking donations, and are still not disclosing the amount they receive or where the money goes. And they like it like that.

Anybody who questions their finances again, will get what is now known as 'The Scott Roberts Treatment'. :D

I am not much of a name caller, so that's not exactly the way it played out. Although I admit that I shot from the hip in this particular video, as it was a response to troubling events I had already witnessed unfold.

It was more of a hypothetical and the video itself wasn't directed entirely at DB or anyone else in particular. Funny how things get twisted, but this never was about their "feelings" being hurt, it was just a convenient excuse to attack the messenger and get rid of me. Maybe they would have just banned me without needing an excuse had they felt there would be no backlash (being that I am a stubborn little "troublemaker" who "just doesn't go away"), but it was certainly a process and they damn sure pounced once they came across that hypothetical of mine.

I know I wouldn't ban someone for simply calling me out on MY words, actions, or anything else. And if I KNEW they were who they claimed to be (a European Gentile), then I would extend them every possibly courtesy and consider their every suggestion along the way. Even if I was being put on the defensive or somehow called into question. Really, what's the big deal? I am man enough to live up to anything I have said or done. Nothing to hide and certainly no reason to ban anyone who tries to hold me accountable(To state the obvious!). And I am just some guy, not a leader in any movement who needs to be held accountable and who should set a good example.

About that hypothetical:
It was nearly 40 minutes into a video (3rd part in a series), and yes, it was over 40 minutes long and they couldn't debate or deny anything else UNTIL this hypothetical at the end (hypothetical at the time, but suspicions have since been confirmed). I was a bit more passionate/emotional than usual, but this video was not directed at the average person, it was directed at those who are already in the know, so I cut loose a bit. Well, the basic response I got from them was: "DB doesn't owe these people (Sustaining Members) anything, and he can do whatever the hell he wants to do with his money". Followed by: "you are a race mixer and you shouldn't even be allowed on this site". Then finally: "you called DB a traitorous bastard, how dare you, you're gone".

Well, here's the EXACT quote from the video. It wasn't all about DB or the SF brass. Leading into the statement in question, I was generalizing and giving hypotheticals.... Specifically, I was addressing the White Nationalists who are openly condemning and writing off 90% of our race for being uninformed, and pointing out the obvious that WE are the ones who MUST do the informing (reeducation): "what are you doing (to address the situation and save your people)? Sitting on your fat asses doing nothing and condemning the very people that you claim to love."
followed by:
"while people like Don Black, Nick Griffin, and all of these other (pause) traitorous bastards. (stopped myself to clarify) I don't know what else to call them, because IF (a big IF, that was stressed) you are going to allow the almighty Jew dollar to dictate what you do, what people can (or cannot) say, and the direction of your so called movement. And IF you are going to allow your enemy into your movement, as Nick Griffin is doing (with the Jewish council members and spokesmen in the BNP), then you aren't worth a damn...IF you are going to compromise your principles at each step along the way. IF you are not going to get out there and do everything you can (as individuals). And IF you insist on the back end, that you need to get paid for your efforts, then I really can't take anything you say seriously anyway."

This was the end of the video, so I will throw the rest in as well: "Do you love your race? Do you love the things you stand for? Just truth and justice, it doesn't even have to go beyond that. Right and wrong, it is as simple as that. Any man out there should be defined (and judged) by right and wrong. Since when do we, as European men, define ourselves by this Jewish system (of morality)? by their money? Since when? What kind of a man are you? How are you going to identify yourself as a leader (of a White Nationalist movement)? How can you? You have absolutely no right to do so. You are a slave to the Jew and their money is your only god. This movement is a joke and the Jews are laughing at us all. When 90% of the people in a movement are not even willing to do their part and act (on behalf of those they claim to love), and when the leadership has been bought and paid for, then it's no mystery why nothing good is coming of it and why there has been no positive change (the SF brass has accomplished very little in all their years). That change starts with YOU. Now stand up like a man and allow nothing but your principles and this righteous cause to guide you."

Yeah, I often come across as an overly principled drill sgt, who has an idealistic view on who we are and how we should conduct ourselves, but why should we ever compromise on who we are? Why should we allow their system of "morals" to define us? We have been infected to the core, each and every one of us, and before we can ever free ourselves in the real world, we must 1st free our minds and purge ourselves of their filthy Jewish ways.

Hell, I just started to truly know myself a few years back (to a degree, I was just another lost soul, brainwashed by the many layers of lies), but since then I have done all I can to shake every last Jewish thought out of my head. I hold myself to an uncompromisingly high standard and why shouldn't I? We all should. I know I CAN and WILL live up to this standard (failing to do so would be the ultimate compromise), and I damn sure will not be allowing them to control me or my thoughts any longer. I will NOT compromise on who I am. Why should any of us? And those of us who continue to do so are simply unworthy of leading men (to state the PAINFULLY obvious). So yes, we damn sure should call them out on their unscrupulous and inherently non White ways. And if they don't react to our constructive criticism in a responsible, honorable, and European like manner, then we should judge them accordingly.

We MUST find ourselves and lose our Jewish ways (no need to live in denial, most of us are still afflicted by them to some degree). And that starts with holding ourselves to the highest of standards. We cannot define ourselves by THEIR system of "morality" and we certainly shouldn't compromise on who we are. A little more on this here: http://theforbiddentruth.net/10666-ethnomorphism-value-money.html

We are a proud, strong, uncompromising, and honorable people. We simply lost ourselves along the way. So in order to find ourselves again and in order to defeat our enemies, we must 1st start by cleansing ourselves of all the Jewish filth and the self serving principles they have bestowed upon our collective psyche. This is a MUST. There's simply no compromising on it at all. ESPECIALLY from our so called "leaders". They need to either set the right example OR they need to step out or be taken out of the way (and yes, they ARE in the way of real progress..deliberately so in some instances).

It's really not that hard to understand and it's certainly not very difficult to LIVE by it either. The formula is simple:

-never compromise (on the truth, our principles, our position, or on our freedom)

-never put your self above the cause (that's simply not the White mans way and this should never even be a consideration for us to ponder over)

-never cower to the enemy (if you don't have it in you to stand up like a MAN, then you have no business "leading" a "movement")

-never condemn the very people you aim/claim to want to save (OUR people have been mislead, lied to, and had their minds poisoned since day ONE. If WE don't take it upon OURSELVES to reach out to each and every one of them, then who will? Sorry, but I am not willing to write OUR people off as easily as some have suggested we should. I will damn sure do my part to save as many of them as I possibly can. However long it takes and whatever I have to do...and so should you!)

-never believe yourself to be above criticism (we need to hold each other accountable and draw strength from one another. life is a learning process and mistakes will be made, but as MEN we have to live up to them.)

-never settle. (the stakes are simply too high)

It really is as simple as that!

So IF JB or anybody else out there is going to conduct themselves in a certain manner, then they CAN and SHOULD be held accountable for THEIR actions.

Funny, at the time I wasn't quite sure on some of the hypothetical "IF's" I went over in my video, but time has a way of revealing the true nature of a mans character...especially when he is faced with adversity and responds in a less than honorable manner.

I am not much of a name caller, so that's not exactly the way it played out. Although I admit that I shot from the hip in this particular video, as it was a response to troubling events I had already witnessed unfold.

It was more of a hypothetical and the video itself wasn't directed entirely at DB or anyone else in particular. Funny how things get twisted, but this never was about their "feelings" being hurt, it was just a convenient excuse to attack the messenger and get rid of me. Maybe they would have just banned me without needing an excuse had they felt there would be no backlash (being that I am a stubborn little "troublemaker" who "just doesn't go away"), but it was certainly a process and they damn sure pounced once they came across that hypothetical of mine.

I know I wouldn't ban someone for simply calling me out on MY words, actions, or anything else. And if I KNEW they were who they claimed to be (a European Gentile), then I would extend them every possibly courtesy and consider their every suggestion along the way. Even if I was being put on the defensive or somehow called into question. Really, what's the big deal? I am man enough to live up to anything I have said or done. Nothing to hide and certainly no reason to ban anyone who tries to hold me accountable(To state the obvious!). And I am just some guy, not a leader in any movement who needs to be held accountable and who should set a good example.

About that hypothetical:
It was nearly 40 minutes into a video (3rd part in a series), and yes, it was over 40 minutes long and they couldn't debate or deny anything else UNTIL this hypothetical at the end (hypothetical at the time, but suspicions have since been confirmed). I was a bit more passionate/emotional than usual, but this video was not directed at the average person, it was directed at those who are already in the know, so I cut loose a bit. Well, the basic response I got from them was: "DB doesn't owe these people (Sustaining Members) anything, and he can do whatever the hell he wants to do with his money". Followed by: "you are a race mixer and you shouldn't even be allowed on this site". Then finally: "you called DB a traitorous bastard, how dare you, you're gone".

Well, here's the EXACT quote from the video. It wasn't all about DB or the SF brass. Leading into the statement in question, I was generalizing and giving hypotheticals.... Specifically, I was addressing the White Nationalists who are openly condemning and writing off 90% of our race for being uninformed, and pointing out the obvious that WE are the ones who MUST do the informing (reeducation):
followed by:


This was the end of the video, so I will throw the rest in as well:

Yeah, I often come across as an overly principled drill sgt, who has an idealistic view on who we are and how we should conduct ourselves, but why should we ever compromise on who we are? Why should we allow their system of "morals" to define us? We have been infected to the core, each and every one of us, and before we can ever free ourselves in the real world, we must 1st free our minds and purge ourselves of their filthy Jewish ways.

Hell, I just started to truly know myself a few years back (to a degree, I was just another lost soul, brainwashed by the many layers of lies), but since then I have done all I can to shake every last Jewish thought out of my head. I hold myself to an uncompromisingly high standard and why shouldn't I? We all should. I know I CAN and WILL live up to this standard (failing to do so would be the ultimate compromise), and I damn sure will not be allowing them to control me or my thoughts any longer. I will NOT compromise on who I am. Why should any of us? And those of us who continue to do so are simply unworthy of leading men (to state the PAINFULLY obvious). So yes, we damn sure should call them out on their unscrupulous and inherently non White ways. And if they don't react to our constructive criticism in a responsible, honorable, and European like manner, then we should judge them accordingly.

We MUST find ourselves and lose our Jewish ways (no need to live in denial, most of us are still afflicted by them to some degree). And that starts with holding ourselves to the highest of standards. We cannot define ourselves by THEIR system of "morality" and we certainly shouldn't compromise on who we are. A little more on this here: http://theforbiddentruth.net/10666-ethnomorphism-value-money.html

We are a proud, strong, uncompromising, and honorable people. We simply lost ourselves along the way. So in order to find ourselves again and in order to defeat our enemies, we must 1st start by cleansing ourselves of all the Jewish filth and the self serving principles they have bestowed upon our collective psyche. This is a MUST. There's simply no compromising on it at all. ESPECIALLY from our so called "leaders". They need to either set the right example OR they need to step out or be taken out of the way (and yes, they ARE in the way of real progress..deliberately so in some instances).

It's really not that hard to understand and it's certainly not very difficult to LIVE by it either. The formula is simple:

-never compromise (on the truth, our principles, our position, or on our freedom)

-never put your self above the cause (that's simply not the White mans way and this should never even be a consideration for us to ponder over)

-never cower to the enemy (if you don't have it in you to stand up like a MAN, then you have no business "leading" a "movement")

-never condemn the very people you aim/claim to want to save (OUR people have been mislead, lied to, and had their minds poisoned since day ONE. If WE don't take it upon OURSELVES to reach out to each and every one of them, then who will? Sorry, but I am not willing to write OUR people off as easily as some have suggested we should. I will damn sure do my part to save as many of them as I possibly can. However long it takes and whatever I have to do...and so should you!)

-never believe yourself to be above criticism (we need to hold each other accountable and draw strength from one another. life is a learning process and mistakes will be made, but as MEN we have to live up to them.)

-never settle. (the stakes are simply too high)

It really is as simple as that!

So IF JB or anybody else out there is going to conduct themselves in a certain manner, then they CAN and SHOULD be held accountable for THEIR actions.

Funny, at the time I wasn't quite sure on some of the hypothetical "IF's" I went over in my video, but time has a way of revealing the true nature of a mans character...especially when he is faced with adversity and responds in a less than honorable manner.

Well, I thought you handled yourself well during that entire incident.

Being called a bastard isn't so bad, and it definitely isn't as bad as being called an "asshole." But, being called a "traitor," let alone a "traitorous bastard," now that, IMHO, is a true insult. At least one that could possibly even spark a momentary tinge of rage in myself.

Besides, I don't want somebody confusing Don Black with my Senator, Richard Lugar, who is a real traitorous bastard.

Seriously though, they were more upset that you were questioning their integrity than they were were about you calling DB a "traitorous bastard."

I have a theory, it could be wrong, but, I believe that all you need to do to get a good picture of someones character, is to simply look at their past.

Knowing Don Black's history, would you trust the man with your money, your wife? I don't know Jack Boot's history, so I really can't comment as to whether he has a shady past or not.

As my Dad warned me when I was younger; "Once a thief, always a thief. Never hire a thief, they will always steal from you."

Where did the dude with the carrot for a brain go?

Proved that bitch was a lying jew waterboy. He might not be a jew *cough*, but he sure carries their water for them. When the time comes, we'll be stacking them like cord-wood.


That is not the first time in this thread that you have insinuated that I am a Jew, Fred.

Tread lightly calling other posters a Jew without any evidence. VNNF only has a few rules, and that is one of them.

It makes all WN look like paranoid-schizophrenics, when in fact that label only applies to... ahem...some of us.

Isn't that what got you cast down from aloft Patriotard Heaven in the first place?

The Faked Cell Phone Calls Theory (From a link provided by Fred)

Some researchers have asserted that several of the phone calls attributed to Flight 93 passengers must have been faked because they were reportedly made from cell phones, which, according to the theory, aren't possible from high-flying aircraft. This theory is controversial because it holds that call recipients who believed they had spoken with family members had been duped, is based on questionable conclusions about cell phone functioning, and overlooks an alternative hypothesis that explains the alleged oddity.

Canadian writer A.K. Dewdney built his reputation as a 9/11 researcher on the idea that the cell-phone calls from aircraft above a few thousand feet aren't generally possible, and therefore the calls attributed to Flight 93 passengers were faked. In an article entitled Ghost Riders in the Sky, Dewdney gives expert-sounding explanations of reasons cell phone calls from jetliners wouldn't work. At altitude, he states, the signal would be too weak, and below 10,000 feet, calls made from a jet would cause problematic "cascades" in networks of cellsites on the ground. (Dewdney cites "Frazer 2002" for this.)

Contrary to Dewdney's findings, we have received reports that cell phones do work from aircraft. Other evidence that cell phone calls are possible from jetliners in flight comes from a study by Carnegie Mellon researchers that monitored spectrum frequencies generated by cell phone transmissions during commercial passenger flights. They found that an average of one to four cell phone calls are made during a typical flight.

Here's my response to my banning.

This Week in Disorganized America, Nov. 26, 2010 : Voice of Reason Broadcast Network (http://reasonradionetwork.com/20101126/this-week-in-disorganized-america-nov-26-2010)

I know it was hard for you to say what you said because your peers don't want any "infighting". But the reality of it all is that they aren't a part of any "we" that you could belong to, especially by stifling the truth in a very important issue that could sway this entire thing our way. I'm glad you know this and I hope you continue to comment on this situation until it is resolved.

You are the man. ~clink~

I am not trying to give Mishko a hard time or claim that he dropped the ball on this, but if you are going to break down and talk about something that you normally consider to be off limits or counterproductive, then you might as well follow through on it and make the obvious points. **Note: I only listened to the 1st 6 minutes or so of the broadcast, until the topic shifted. IF you came back to the discussion and elaborated a bit more, then the following points might be moot.



The SF brass are denying White men and women the right to openly discuss the facts (A.K.A. Censorship). Using Jewish tactics/PSYOP to belittle possible “opposition” in advance (“"The idea that this was a controlled demolition is just ludricrous, I think it makes us all look stupid to come up with these conspiracy theories."). Banning anyone who refuses to fall in line with the “official” (Jewish) version by forbidding dialogue that suggests Israeli’s/Jews had anything to do with it (or much of anything else that strays too far off the "official" version). And on the back end of being called out on their behavior, they are demonstrating every Jewish tactic known by attacking the messengers, applying false motives, and deflecting the attention away from them in any way they can. All to protect Jew lie #1 (9/11 tops the list for now at least).

Again, you don’t engage in censorship unless you have something to hide and/or a hidden agenda. Is that not obvious? They have seemingly followed directly off the same Jewish script that we have all seen play out countless times before. Each move as predictable and as telling as the last. The similarities are striking and they cannot be ignored or justified.

A few responses to some of the points you did make: This wasn’t just “weird” and nothing is going to happen to suddenly “make sense of it all” (enough has already happened for it to make perfect sense and only excuses are left in the wake). It also wasn’t just a matter of having a “different opinion” or “agreeing to disagree”(this is clearly much more than any petty differences or “infighting”). And this is more than “just a forum”, it is THE “#1 White Nationalist website on the web”, as you noted, and they are attempting to lead and control the dissent there. They are more than just “liars”, and this certainly goes being a simple “disservice” to their viewers/members. “What else is there to say”? A whole hell of a lot more than what was said. That’s for sure.

I know you didn’t want to get caught up in the “infighting”. That never seems like a good thing to get involved in. So I understand your reasoning for holding back a bit. However, there truly is no need to beat around the bush. We don’t have to call them names or run a test on their DNA. We are simply calling them out on THEIR behavior. I don’t care who or what they are, it is all “fair game” and we certainly should hold them accountable for their actions (we aren't speculating, they HAVE in fact said and done these things).

IF they are who they claim to be and had nothing to hide, then there would have been no need for the censorship, the suspensions, or the reliance on this idea/position that they simply cannot be questioned (and banning those who dare to question them). The very fact that they believe themselves to be above criticism (and conduct themselves accordingly) is a familiar theme amongst those of us who attempt to hold Jews accountable for their behavior. In essence, they can both do as they please, but we have “no business questioning them”.

Forbidden topics? A sense of entitlement/superiority? Censorship? Attacks on the messenger(s)? Threats? Exploiting Whites? Financial interests as the top priority? No accountability? Defending Jewish lies? Etc… All of this has been put on display by the SF brass or their anonymous supporters, and no matter how far they pull back at this point, it’s too late to undo the past/damage. We’re simply taking note and holding them accountable. Shame on us, right?

That is not the first time in this thread that you have insinuated that I am a Jew, Fred.

You're right, Donnie. I thought about it all night. I don't think you're a jew, I think the other poster is correct, that you are young and misguided. My appologies.

You're right, Donnie. I thought about it all night. I don't think you're a jew, I think the other poster is correct, that you are young and misguided. My appologies.


No problem.

I turned 48 in September, btw.

Youth is relative, I guess. Sometimes I feel pretty old.

Forbidden topics? A sense of entitlement/superiority? Censorship? Attacks on the messenger(s)? Threats? Exploiting Whites? Financial interests as the top priority? No accountability? Defending Jewish lies? Etc… All of this has been put on display by the SF brass or their anonymous supporters, and no matter how far they pull back at this point, it’s too late to undo the past/damage. We’re simply taking note and holding them accountable. Shame on us, right?
This piece says it all.

The very most damaging issue of our lives (9/11) is off-limits for discussion?

The salient fact is that ANY position one has on that event is a conspiracy theory. That makes (esp.) the gov't theory a CT as well. Until there is a bonifide and honorable investigation, by a special commission of independent attorneys and investigators, scientists, etc. they will all be just theories. The government's conspiracy theory has been proven fraudulent.

If the government (and SF) has nothing to hide, why do they react so violently to independents discussing the facts? It is because there is much to hide that they react violently to the questions.

Dishonorable men should never hold positions which allow them power over honorable men. These folks at SF and within nearly all government and media offices are dishonorable. How else can you explain the fact that they hide from truth with all their might? If there was truely nothing to find out, or they actually were seeking truth, they would encourage independent thought and investigation. That's not the case here.

The prosecution rests, your honor.

This piece says it all.

The very most damaging issue of our lives (9/11) is off-limits for discussion?

The salient fact is that ANY position one has on that event is a conspiracy theory. That makes (esp.) the gov't theory a CT as well. Until there is a bonifide and honorable investigation, by a special commission of independent attorneys and investigators, scientists, etc. they will all be just theories. The government's conspiracy theory has been proven fraudulent.

If the government (and SF) has nothing to hide, why do they react so violently to independents discussing the facts? It is because there is much to hide that they react violently to the questions.

Dishonorable men should never hold positions which allow them power over honorable men. These folks at SF and within nearly all government and media offices are dishonorable. How else can you explain the fact that they hide from truth with all their might? If there was truely nothing to find out, or they actually were seeking truth, they would encourage independent thought and investigation. That's not the case here.

The prosecution rests, your honor.

And one could also logically conclude that the reason for their purging long term members, is that it is those long term members who are aware of their game and who have the ability to expose them for what they truly are.

Purge the opposition! Strangely, that is the same tactic that Stalin used. Coincidence? I think not!

The Faked Cell Phone Calls Theory (From a link provided by Fred).
Donnie, Scientists and engineers actually tested the theory and found that above 8,000 feet, calls were not possible. Read their report here:
http://bushstole04.com/911/strange_case.htm

I am not trying to give Mishko a hard time or claim that he dropped the ball on this, but if you are going to break down and talk about something that you normally consider to be off limits or counterproductive, then you might as well follow through on it and make the obvious points?



I really hope the guys over at Voice Of Reason continue to focus on being the new movement, instead of getting involved in (overwhelmingly anonymous) petty Internet forum bullshit.

Donnie, Scientists and engineers actually tested the theory and found that above 8,000 feet, calls were not possible. Read their report here:
http://bushstole04.com/911/strange_case.htm

I don't understand why you guys are still arguing this cell phone issue. You cannot make a cell phone call from an airplane, unless it is on the ground!

Although, you can make a satellite call from an airplane.

To make a cell phone call, you have to be within range of the antennas, the antennas are positioned to point down to a degree as determined by the engineers who have also determined where the cell site should best be located for their particular service area needs. The cell sites overlap, so that when you travel out of one service area and enter another, the system transfers your service from the site that you are currently using to the one that you are entering.

How do I know this? I used to be a project manager for a construction company that strictly installed cell sites for Sprint PCS.

Well, I never doubted her intelligence.

If she isn't easily led, then she is a willing participant, and I would conclude that she is doing so to fit-in with those who consider themselves to be the 'Stormfront Elite Feminazi Club.' Which is even worse than simply being led around by the nose by those middle-aged Vagisil addicts.

And being someone who needs to have a feeling of belonging or being needed, well, then she must just have a screw loose.

See you did it again Robert....piss me off and make me laugh at the same time.

Vagisil addicts? lol

And one could also logically conclude that the reason for their purging long term members, is that it is those long term members who are aware of their game and who have the ability to expose them for what they truly are.

Purge the opposition! Strangely, that is the same tactic that Stalin used. Coincidence? I think not!
I believe they go after the best minds. Those who actually can put together 3 sentences and transmit a meaningful thought are a danger to them and their agenda.

It is mostly these types who got Jack Booted. The remainder are good folks, but are not so bright. If you want to keep an account on SF, you must post mundane drivil, like which actress is having black babies, or defame political hacks/pundits with incoherent arguments.

If they can see that the mind behind the keyboard actually works, they start looking for an excuse to dump you. That's why (I believe) I was banned so many times. Sometimes I post without thinking, but not on important subjects and especially not when it comes to jews & 9/11. That makes me a threat.

I don't understand why you guys are still arguing this cell phone issue.

If this building block is proved to be a lie, then the whole facade fails the sniff test. If the calls were faked, and I'm positive they were, the question then becomes why were they faked, for what purpose, and who faked them. Who had the means to do it?

These questions indicate premeditated murder by the government in collusion with the jews who run the telecom industry.

I believe it is the element which best proves a government conspiracy, and besides, Donnie isn't convinced yet that this was a domestic crime against America. I will do everything I can to show him the light, that it might spread to others.

I don't understand why you guys are still arguing this cell phone issue. You cannot make a cell phone call from an airplane, unless it is on the ground!



"Canadian writer A.K. Dewdney built his reputation as a 9/11 researcher on the idea that the cell-phone calls from aircraft above a few thousand feet aren't generally possible, and therefore the calls attributed to Flight 93 passengers were faked. In an article entitled Ghost Riders in the Sky, Dewdney gives expert-sounding explanations of reasons cell phone calls from jetliners wouldn't work. At altitude, he states, the signal would be too weak, and below 10,000 feet, calls made from a jet would cause problematic "cascades" in networks of cellsites on the ground. (Dewdney cites "Frazer 2002" for this.)

Contrary to Dewdney's findings, we have received reports that cell phones do work from aircraft. Other evidence that cell phone calls are possible from jetliners in flight comes from a study by Carnegie Mellon researchers that monitored spectrum frequencies generated by cell phone transmissions during commercial passenger flights. They found that an average of one to four cell phone calls are made during a typical flight".
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Donnie, that is a zionist source and therefore is not credible. Their "study" was done to lend support to the official version of events. The president is a zionist jew.

Expert witnesses are most often expert liars.

Don't you think flight attendants would know?

pendent researcher A. K. Dewdney conducted a series of experiments in February and March of 2003, over Toronto, Ontario. Chartering planes from a local airport, Dewdney's team went aloft with different cell phones licensed by all major providers. The pilots were instructed to fly in a grid that covered the overlapping cellular communication towers of five major carriers in metropolitan Toronto. Team members kept records of calls and results from varying altitudes. At 2000 feet, calls could be made about half the time. At 4,000 feet only an average of one in 4 calls was completed. At 6,000 feet, the average was 1 in 12 calls connected. At 8,000 feet and above there was no connection by any of the phones. Dewdney's report concluded "It may be noted in passing that these experiments were conducted in a radio-transparent aircraft with carbon-fibre construction. Failure to make a call from such an aircraft with any particular brand of cellphone spells automatic failure for the same phone from a metal-clad aircraft flying at the same altitude. A metal skin attenuates all cell phone signals to a significant degree. It may safely be concluded that the operational ceiling for cellular phones in aluminum skin aircraft (passenger liners, for example) would be significantly lower than the ones reported here. It may therefore safely be concluded that cell phone calls from passenger aircraft are physically impossible above 8000 feet, and statistically unlikely below that altitude."
Skytel Wireless, a leading corporate cellular service provider, assures its' customers: "If you're out of range, on an airplane, for example, the system stores incoming messages for up to 72 hours, automatically delivering them when you return to full service."


Finally, I called a friend who works for Jet Blue in New York City as a flight attendant. I asked her if she had ever used her cell phone aboard a flight. "Sure" she said, "but not in the air". I asked her why not. "Well, first of all, it's against the rules. It interferes with the plane's electronics." So I asked her if she turned her phone off to avoid getting calls during flights. "No, we don't have to do that. The phone loses the signal automatically right after we take off. There's no signal, so it won't ring anyway until we land."

http://bushstole04.com/911/strange_case.htm

Donnie, that is a zionist source and therefore is not credible.



It's from a link you posted, Fred.

It's from a link you posted, Fred.

I only went after the source when you used it. I didn't know it was zio until then.

It's from a link you posted, Fred.

Dude, seriously, why the fuck are you putting so much effort in defending the Jews and their version of 9/11 if you are WN?

You think by going with the ZOG version of 9/11 you are going to be accepted by the brainwashed "anti-racist" morons? A lot of of those brainwashed "anti-racist" morons don't believe the official cover-story either. Except they don't think Jews/Mossad were behind it, but rather our "evil White Racist Government", that's how stupid they are.

I wish the U.S. gov. were "White and racist", but unfortunately it's not, it's JEW!

Curious if any of the truthers who spend their days trying to convince folks that the NIST report is wrong have even read through the report.. or checked out the computer simulation.

I wonder if it's possible to download and run the simulation, checking out the temperatures at different places and times - that way, you could check for gross inconsistencies and see, for example, if the model shows the location where the person is at to be a raging inferno at that time. I think a lot of weight was placed on the model for understanding the mechanism of the collapse, so that might be a good place to start when it comes to attacking the theory, instead of trying to convince the populus at large.

See, what you don't realize is in science, it doesn't matter if 86% of the population believes something, I really don't care what you believe if you are not qualified and experienced in the field; saying you are 100% positive that you are correct, that it's all blatantly obvious, doesn't sway me one bit because you haven't designed and demolished skyscrapers, you aren't qualified to understand what is obvious and what isn't when it comes to this.

Show me one person who has designed or demolished skyscrapers who is 100% certain* that, assuming the towers were built up to spec, they could not have been taken down by airplanes alone, and I will believe. His judgement would be more powerful than a million Freds or Linders opining on the obviousness of the situation.



*Actually, 100% certainty would be impossible in such a complicated case, and anyone asserting it would look as foolish and inexperienced as the typical "truther", but close to 100% certainty.

George, read post 1406. There is much you can learn there.

Dude, seriously, why the fuck are you putting so much effort in defending the Jews and their version of 9/11 if you are WN?



Please point out where I am defending the Jews. Pack a lunch Sparky, 'cause it's going to be a long search.

Not that I owe you shit, but my personal opinion is that WN is done a huge disservice by association with the Roswell-like vibe that I get from many of those who are proponents of the "9/11 was an inside job" crowd.

I believe they go after the best minds. Those who actually can put together 3 sentences and transmit a meaningful thought are a danger to them and their agenda.

It is mostly these types who got Jack Booted. The remainder are good folks, but are not so bright. If you want to keep an account on SF, you must post mundane drivil, like which actress is having black babies, or defame political hacks/pundits with incoherent arguments.

If they can see that the mind behind the keyboard actually works, they start looking for an excuse to dump you. That's why (I believe) I was banned so many times. Sometimes I post without thinking, but not on important subjects and especially not when it comes to jews & 9/11. That makes me a threat.

There is no doubt that many of the posts being made are nothing more than worthless drivel.

What I always thought was strange, was how relevant posts to the WN agenda would always disappear down the memory hole, and how the most senseless irrelevant posts would remain on the first page for weeks on end. Then when they would disappear, they would show up again and remain on page one for weeks at a time.

When I first joined SF, I quickly learned that a majority aren't academically inclined and they will not read long posts. They prefer to read a couple-few paragraphs and then apparently take a nap.

I believe a lot of the new members/visitors are actually kids. They think it is cool to visit Stormfront, simply because it is blocked by their school, the library and parental control software.

They are also who Stormfront always seem to target, as they are people who are easily manipulated - just as Jack Boot prefers them to be.

I think SF wants the stereotypical red-neck crowd to reinforce the image in the media. They want violent dummies and inept fools.

George, read post 1406. There is much you can learn there.

Right now I'm not focused on whether the cell phone calls were faked, or whether the Jews did 9/11. My interest lies in discovering how exactly the towers were brought down, it is a purely scientific matter.

When you assert that the scientists and engineers who built the bloody things and have spent their careers studying the issues are all idiots, that they are too stupid to see the blindingly obvious -- you, who aren't qualified to lick the soles of their shoes -- it's an insult to my sense of propriety.

"Canadian writer A.K. Dewdney built his reputation as a 9/11 researcher on the idea that the cell-phone calls from aircraft above a few thousand feet aren't generally possible, and therefore the calls attributed to Flight 93 passengers were faked. In an article entitled Ghost Riders in the Sky, Dewdney gives expert-sounding explanations of reasons cell phone calls from jetliners wouldn't work. At altitude, he states, the signal would be too weak, and below 10,000 feet, calls made from a jet would cause problematic "cascades" in networks of cellsites on the ground. (Dewdney cites "Frazer 2002" for this.)

Contrary to Dewdney's findings, we have received reports that cell phones do work from aircraft. Other evidence that cell phone calls are possible from jetliners in flight comes from a study by Carnegie Mellon researchers that monitored spectrum frequencies generated by cell phone transmissions during commercial passenger flights. They found that an average of one to four cell phone calls are made during a typical flight".
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Well, they definitely weren't making cell phone calls from an airliner in flight. So if they were making calls, it was from the aircraft's satellite phones.

Well, they definitely weren't making cell phone calls from an airliner in flight. So if they were making calls, it was from the aircraft's satellite phones.
There were no satphones on those planes, according to the owners of the planes.

I really hope the guys over at Voice Of Reason continue to focus on being the new movement, instead of getting involved in (overwhelmingly anonymous) petty Internet forum bullshit.

Well, Mishko invited me to be a guest on his show. So if and when this show takes place, you can rest assured that I will say what needs to be said in regards to this topic. I will do so in a matter of fact manner and without worrying about the perception that this is all just some "petty internet forum bullshit". Simply stating the facts, filling in the blanks, and leaving it to everyone to decide for themselves how "petty" they believe it all to be.

If JB, DB, or the whole lot of them feels as though they can defend themselves, I am more than willing to discuss matters with them openly (which is "ironically" what they hoped to avoid when they started hitting the "ban button"). Either on Mishko's show or another.

There are many other important topics to cover and not much time would be needed to state the simple facts surrounding this issue, but by no means is it trivial or "petty". This whole thing illustrates just how far they go to control the dissent and is essentially a case study on Jewish tactics. Call it "petty" if you will, but I will continue to call it like I see it and hold people accountable for the things they say or do.

Being redundant: Try to trivialize it all you like, but the importance of it is not simply going to fly over everyone's head just because you suggest that it's "petty".

BTW - whether they are Jew or Gentile, anonymous or known, hardly even matters, it's their DEEDS we should be focused on.

I don't give a damn about whether the cell phone calls were faked, or whether the Jews did 9/11. My interest lies in discovering how exactly the towers were brought down, it is a purely scientific matter.

When you assert that the scientists and engineers who built the bloody things and have spent their careers studying the issues are all idiots, that they are too stupid to see the blindingly obvious -- you, who aren't qualified to lick the soles of their shoes -- it's an insult to my sense of propriety.

George, you're an idiot. It doesn't matter how they were brought down, what matters is WHY they were brought down and by whom.

The alleged cell phone calls give rise to premeditation and collusion, they prove a conspiracy existed, if in fact they were faked.

If you're so interested in the mechanics, go get an engineering degree, then you and I can speak on the same level.

George, you're an idiot. It doesn't matter how they were brought down, what matters is WHY they were brought down and by whom.

Wow. Tell this to your fellow truthers. Linder, for one, who claims he is 100% certain that the planes were merely a distraction, and that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition. You have basically made yourself the enemy of a lot of truthers. Prepare to feel their wrath.

When you assert that the scientists and engineers who built the bloody things and have spent their careers studying the issues are all idiots, that they are too stupid to see the blindingly obvious.
I never said that, YOU insinuated it. I believe they did their jobs very well and that they planned for and assured that planes couldn't cause a catastrophic failure.

You, on the other hand, insist that planes destroyed those buildings. pfft!

George, you're an idiot. It doesn't matter how they were brought down, what matters is WHY they were brought down and by whom.

The alleged cell phone calls give rise to premeditation and collusion, they prove a conspiracy existed, if in fact they were faked.

If you're so interested in the mechanics, go get an engineering degree, then you and I can speak on the same level.

I had almost completed my PhD in Physics at UCLA before circumstances beyond my control forced me to abandon my research. I worked at NIST for several years, my dad worked there for several decades, and collaborated (and still does) with folks in Building and Fire Research.

Wow. Tell this to your fellow truthers. Linder, for one, who claims he is 100% certain that the planes were merely a distraction, and that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition.



Seriously?

I never said that, YOU insinuated it. I believe they did their jobs very well and that they planned for and assured that planes couldn't cause a catastrophic failure.

You, on the other hand, insist that planes destroyed those buildings. pfft!

Wow. Tell this to your fellow truthers. Linder, for one, who claims he is 100% certain that the planes were merely a distraction, and that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition. You have basically made yourself the enemy of a lot of truthers. Prepare to feel their wrath.

I rest my case with your own selfincriminating statement.

Seriously?
Ask him. Linder is no fool, he has done the work most shy away from. He knows the truth, or as much as can be discovered with current data.

I really hope the guys over at Voice Of Reason continue to focus on being the new movement, instead of getting involved in (overwhelmingly anonymous) petty Internet forum bullshit.

The "petty" internet BS, as you call it, is our main source of communicating our thoughts and beliefs around the world. When the administrators of the premiere WN site makes it their business to censor or ridicule seasoned WNs by removing them from the site for merely asking reasonable questions or criticizing jews too vociferously, that is a topic worthy of all the scrutiny in the world. Why would they do that? That is a topic that should make all WNs who are posting at SF to bring up this controversy, over and over, there, and if they are banned, then so be it. There's no sense staying somewhere that the truth will be silenced. We are about truth, or at the very least free discussion of what we believe. This is how we come to the truth.

There were no satphones on those planes, according to the owners of the planes.Then they must have been communicating telepathically.

Seriously?

Here:
If anything that you said was true, the government wouldn't have buried or dispersed all the physical evidence immediately after the attack. No, the physical proof is there, even though it isn't needed. The buildings were demolished by a pre-set plan, and the planes were there to distract attention. 100% proved, no doubt about it whatsoever. But thanks for telling me you don't believe, because that tells me something else.

And:

As for scientific facts, it is enough to know the single fact that the WTC towers, individually, were designed to withstand multiple hits. That fact alone tells you that the towers were not brought down by planes, they were destroyed from within.

It is 100% certain that the WTC buildings were demolished as part of a Mossad plot to draw the US into a war to reshape the 'middle east' to the benefit of Israel. There is no second opinion. Just static from trolls, liars, and fools.

As for 9/11 itself.

NONE of us know the exact details of what happened, so some things will in fact be theorized for the time being (that's how you start.."theory" is not a bad word). Even the so called "experts" don't know every detail for certain. BUT that's not what this is about. We SHOULD be able to discuss ALL possibilities OPENLY (especially on a "White Nationalist" website). Critical thought should actually be encouraged, not forbidden (and it is of no coincidence that Jews are the main proponents of censorship).

When you mix in a little deductive reasoning, supported by the facts, and backed up with in depth knowledge of our enemy and their usual modus operandi, the picture starts to look clear. Then you can break it down and analyze the individual components before (re)building the picture from the ground up. Of course the 1st step is to question the "official" version(to state the obvious).

Without straying too far from that "official" version, we would never get to the bottom of it (which is obviously what the mainstream Jew controlled media wants). Is anyone even going to argue that point? If so, then I have a video in the works that will be JUST for you... and based on the approach and behavior of the SF brass, it appears they want to keep the status quo there as well. The tactics being used by both groups are unmistakeably similar.

In plain English: if something as important as this is censored, then you have to question those who are engaging in the censorship. And no, we are not "crazy" for simply questioning authority and their "official" version. We are trying to get to the bottom of it, but these people are obviously doing their best to stand between us and an open discussion/investigation of the FACTS.

I had almost completed my PhD in Physics at UCLA before circumstances beyond my control forced me to abandon my research. I worked at NIST for several years, my dad worked there for several decades, and collaborated (and still does) with folks in Building and Fire Research.

wow, no kidding? geez:fag::rolleyes:

If not already ,go here http://www.buildingwhat.com/ show them the error of their ways,

and stop wasting yours and our time, genius.

The "petty" internet BS, as you call it, is our main source of communicating our thoughts and beliefs around the world.



I said "petty Internet forum bullshit".

Huge difference.

If you are going to take issue with something I've said, then at least quote the post in your response.

Please point out where I am defending the Jews. Pack a lunch Sparky, 'cause it's going to be a long search.

Not that I owe you shit, but my personal opinion is that WN is done a huge disservice by association with the Roswell-like vibe that I get from many of those who are proponents of the "9/11 was an inside job" crowd.


I didn't say you are defending Jews, I said you are defending the ZOG version of 9/11. Learn how to read, "Sparky".

I never claimed to be an expert on this fucking thing, which is why you don't see me getting into all the technical details, however, you also won't see me making post after post defending the ZOG version either.

Furthermore, I believe that your personal opinion is shit, especially when you compare 9/11 with Roswell. :/

That's exactly what the fucking Jews do, label everyone "racist" or "CTer", or "Holocaust deniers". Why are you following their lead?

This fucking ZOG government lies to the American people constantly, and 9/11 is no exception.

I had almost completed my PhD in Physics at UCLA before circumstances beyond my control forced me to abandon my research. I worked at NIST for several years, my dad worked there for several decades, and collaborated (and still does) with folks in Building and Fire Research.

Then why don't you tell me why, with airplane impact contained within the design criteria, the design firms weren't sued for the billions in damages.

No, I'll tell you why. They weren't sued because that would expose the real demolition culprits in court records and that would bring the world down on this government and the jews who orchestrated the whole goddamned thing!

Wow. Tell this to your fellow truthers. Linder, for one, who claims he is 100% certain that the planes were merely a distraction, and that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition. You have basically made yourself the enemy of a lot of truthers. Prepare to feel their wrath.

In my opinion (I wasn't there), the planes WERE in fact hijacked and flown into the buildings.

However, it is my belief that the planes were hijacked remotely. This makes the most sense for many reasons.

#1 - the technology was obviously there. The U.S. military, and most notably the Israeli military, have had access to this technology and have been flying precision military exercises with drones for a very long time now.

#2 - and this is a big question you have to ask yourself: could a few Arabs with BOX CUTTERS really take over A plane without a single member of the crew getting out an "S.O.S."? Let alone on FOUR planes! This makes NO sense at all, does it?

However, it does make sense that communications were wired to shut off at the same time the pilots lost control of their aircraft. Had they not done this, then the pilots would have reported back to the ground that they lost control of their aircraft and that the planes were now on an alternative/"automated" course. Which would have obviously blew a giant hole into this "Muslim terrorists did it with box cutters" B.S.

Seriously, could ANYONE be that efficient with a razor blade? In each instance they just snuffed the life out of the entire crew before they could send out a mayday? I think not. And I can only imagine the horror the pilots must have felt as they desperately tried to regain control before crashing straight into the buildings.

#3 - the precision paths that the planes flew into the buildings (especially at the Pentagon) would have been improbable for a single EXPERIENCED pilot to pull off with MANUAL control of the aircraft. Yet they expect us to believe that 3 Arabs with NO experience flying JUMBO JETS were able to control the planes with pinpoint accuracy?

Again, I cannot PROVE this ONE theory, but that is no reason to dismiss it or consider me "crazy" for even suggesting it. And on the flip side, I have seen no real PROOF to support the official version either. NONE whatsoever! Yet these Jews and all who serve them are expecting us to believe their "official" version, and calling us "crazy" on the back end IF we dare think for ourselves. And yes, the MSM is OBVIOUSLY biased and it is UNDENIABLY controlled by the Jews. As are the official "investigators" and the controlled opposition (the Alex Jones' of the "conspiracy" world).

And yes, this was all just for "show", the buildings were ultimately brought down via controlled demolition. Steel simply does NOT MELT in an office fire (800 f), with or without the fireproofing being "stripped off". The steel itself requires a higher melting point (2,750 f) than that fire could have possibly generated (Jet Fuel = MAX of 1800 f.). Simple physics and math that simply does not add up.

Just like a murderer who gets caught wiping fingerprints off a murder weapon, the Jews, by their self-incriminating behavior (in trying to cover their tracks), have already implicitly admitted to planning and carrying out 9/11.

An innocent person would simply not be caught at the scene of a crime trying to wipe fingerprints off a murder weapon, for example.

When the Jews put imposter Hymie Brown (http://colorado911visibility.org/2009/05/26/%E2%80%9Cchief-engineer%E2%80%9D-hyman-brown-by-patrick-marks/)on national TV, on 9/11/2001, and had him fraudulently introduced first as the "architect" of the WTC towers and then as the "project engineer", and then, when Hymie went on to make a series of demonstrably false statements (in an attempt to convince people that "fire" brought down the buildings), the Jews thereby admitted to the crime.

There's simply no other way to interpret what the Jews did with Sayanim Hymie.

At some point the Jews obviously realized how badly they F'd themselves up with the Hymie Brown affair, and Hymie has since made "aliyah" to that land of milk and honey stolen from the Palestinians.

In any case, in light of the Hymie Brown affair, the "debate" regarding all the other 9/11 related issues is purely academic, and the Hymie Brown affair should be a threshold issue for any "serious" "debate" regarding 9/11.

Anyone attempting to defend the Kosher version of events, who doesn't have at-the-ready, a compelling, exculpatory explanation for the Hymie Brown affair, is obviously being dishonest, and is therefore more than likely just another hapless Jew troll.

YouTube - Hyman Brown, steel melts, NBC, 9/11, 19:51

Just like a murderer who gets caught wiping fingerprints off a murder weapon, the Jews, by their self-incriminating behavior (in trying to cover their tracks), have already implicitly admitted to planning and carrying out 9/11.

An innocent person would simply not be caught at the scene of a crime trying to wipe fingerprints off a murder weapon, for example.

When the Jews put imposter Hymie Brown (http://colorado911visibility.org/2009/05/26/%E2%80%9Cchief-engineer%E2%80%9D-hyman-brown-by-patrick-marks/)on national TV, on 9/11/2001, and had him frauduntly introduced first as the "architect" of the WTC towers and then as the "project engineer", and then, when Hymie went on to make a series of demonstrably false statements (in an attempt to convince people that "fire" brought down the buildings), the Jews thereby admitted to the crime.

There's simply no other way to interpret what the Jews did with Sayanim Hymie.

At some point the Jews obviously realized how badly they F'd themselves up with the Hymie Brown affair, and Hymie has since made "aliyah" to that land of milk and honey stolen from the Palestinians.

In any case, in light of the Hymie Brown affair, the "debate" regarding all the other 9/11 related issues is purely academic, and the Hymie Brown affair should be a threshold issue for any "serious" "debate" regarding 9/11.

Anyone attempting to defend the Kosher version of events, who doesn't have at-the-ready, a compelling, exculpatory eplanation for the Hymie Brown affair, is obviously being dishonest, and is therefore more than likely just another hapless Jew troll.

YouTube - Hyman Brown, steel melts, NBC, 9/11, 19:51 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqJqc-rafI)

Another simple incriminating point to make is in regards to the manner in which the JEW controlled media covers for them and their "official" version. They have engaged in a relentless campaign to discredit all opposition to this "official" version, and they have used every dirty trick in their PSYOP arsenal to get their point across to the masses. This will in fact be the focus of my next video. What they are attempting to accomplish and the connections between them are both painfully obvious, I'll simply be pointing it out.

The simple question for any WHITE NATIONALISTS to ask themselves would be this: why would the JEW media (you couldn't possibly be a "White Nationalist" without knowing full well that the media is completely controlled by the Jew) go on a relentless campaign to silence and discredit the opposition to this "official" version? And if you can't see their efforts to do so, then you truly are blind. The connections are obvious and THEIR behavior tells us all we need to know. Now it's simply a matter of piecing this puzzle together, without ANY doubt in our mind as to WHO was responsible (for the planning, the act itself, the events and wars that have followed, AND the cover up).

Donnie, any doubts yet about the official version? Any light bulbs coming on?

I said "petty Internet forum bullshit".

Huge difference.

If you are going to take issue with something I've said, then at least quote the post in your response.

No! You said quite clearly, and as typed right here, "petty internet forum bullshit". No emphasis on forum, though I don't see the distinction anyway. Skipping the word forum in my comments don't make any difference. You're saying our objections are bullshit because the internet is somehow not a legitimate forum. Not only that, I did quote your comment in my post which critiqued what you said. What you need to do is comment on what I said instead of trying to make excuses by diverting away from the points I've made.

Well, yes. However, the Jew-owned media will reflexively back ANYTHING the Jew-run "government" wants it to, whether it be a news-blackout on the damage done by the BP oil "spill", or the demonization of Hugo Chavez or the lies about Iraqi "WMD" or the lies about North Korea sinking a South Korean ship, etc., etc., etc.

To someone who fully realizes the depth and the breadth of the cesspool of corruption that our "government" (indeed all of our institutions) has become, (and subsequent Jew control) this would be obvious.

But for the benefit of the more incredulous among us, for whom the trees may occassionally block the view of the forest, there's nothing like a specific, highly incriminating, deliberate act of deception, obviously planned well in advance.

Another simple incriminating point to make is in regards to the manner in which the JEW controlled media covers for them and their "official" version. They have engaged in a relentless campaign to discredit all opposition to this "official" version, and they have used every dirty trick in their PSYOP arsenal to get their point across to the masses. This will in fact be the focus of my next video. What they are attempting to accomplish and the connections between them are both painfully obvious, I'll simply be pointing it out.

The simple question for any WHITE NATIONALISTS to ask themselves would be this: why would the JEW media (you couldn't possibly be a "White Nationalist" without knowing full well that the media is completely controlled by the Jew) go on a relentless campaign to silence and discredit the opposition to this "official" version? And if you can't see their efforts to do so, then you truly are blind. The connections are obvious and THEIR behavior tells us all we need to know. Now it's simply a matter of piecing this puzzle together, without ANY doubt in our mind as to WHO was responsible (for the planning, the act itself, the events and wars that have followed, AND the cover up).

No! You said quite clearly, and as typed right here, "petty internet forum bullshit". No emphasis on forum, though I don't see the distinction anyway. Skipping the word forum in my comments don't make any difference. You're saying our objections are bullshit because the internet is somehow not a legitimate forum. Not only that, I did quote your comment in my post which critiqued what you said. What you need to do is comment on what I said instead of trying to make excuses by diverting away from the points I've made.



I italicized the word forum (which appeared in my post) to highlight the fact that you had omitted it in yours. But you knew that anyway.

You didn't include the word "forum" in your original post, which changes the entire meaning of my post.

The meaning of my post was not that the Internet was petty, that's an obvious clumsily-constructed Straw man.

Donnie, any doubts yet about the official version? Any light bulbs coming on?



Why would they?

I've read nothing even remotely compelling enough to cause me to dispel reality.

In my opinion (I wasn't there), the planes WERE in fact hijacked and flown into the buildings.

However, it is my belief that the planes were hijacked remotely. This makes the most sense for many reasons.

#1 - the technology was obviously there. The U.S. military, and most notably the Israeli military, have had access to this technology and have been flying precision military exercises with drones for a very long time now.

#2 - and this is a big question you have to ask yourself: could a few Arabs with BOX CUTTERS really take over A plane without a single member of the crew getting out an "S.O.S."? Let alone on FOUR planes! This makes NO sense at all, does it?

However, it does make sense that communications were wired to shut off at the same time the pilots lost control of their aircraft. Had they not done this, then the pilots would have reported back to the ground that they lost control of their aircraft and that the planes were now on an alternative/"automated" course. Which would have obviously blew a giant hole into this "Muslim terrorists did it with box cutters" B.S.

Seriously, could ANYONE be that efficient with a razor blade? In each instance they just snuffed the life out of the entire crew before they could send out a mayday? I think not. And I can only imagine the horror the pilots must have felt as they desperately tried to regain control before crashing straight into the buildings.

#3 - the precision paths that the planes flew into the buildings (especially at the Pentagon) would have been improbable for a single EXPERIENCED pilot to pull off with MANUAL control of the aircraft. Yet they expect us to believe that 3 Arabs with NO experience flying JUMBO JETS were able to control the planes with pinpoint accuracy?

Again, I cannot PROVE this ONE theory, but that is no reason to dismiss it or consider me "crazy" for even suggesting it. And on the flip side, I have seen no real PROOF to support the official version either. NONE whatsoever! Yet these Jews and all who serve them are expecting us to believe their "official" version, and calling us "crazy" on the back end IF we dare think for ourselves. And yes, the MSM is OBVIOUSLY biased and it is UNDENIABLY controlled by the Jews. As are the official "investigators" and the controlled opposition (the Alex Jones' of the "conspiracy" world).

And yes, this was all just for "show", the buildings were ultimately brought down via controlled demolition. Steel simply does NOT MELT in an office fire (800 f), with or without the fireproofing being "stripped off". The steel itself requires a higher melting point (2,750 f) than that fire could have possibly generated (Jet Fuel = MAX of 1800 f.). Simple physics and math that simply does not add up.

I hate to quote myself, but could any of you "official" theorists (and that's what you are) at least make an attempt to respond to the points made in the above post? How about we deal with these simple and fundamental points now, prior to moving onto all of the other ambiguous B.S. that you seemingly love to get stuck on. Certainly, you can come up with SOME form of a rebuttal, can you not? Anything?

I mean, if you can't, then the "official" version is pretty much blown out of the water right from the start. Without the Arabs on board with their "box cutters" and "superior piloting skills" OR without the fire being hot enough to cause the melting of steel and the subsequent collapse of the towers, then what do you have left to hang onto? I am asking questions here, and you are more than welcomed to offer your rebuttals. Pretty please with a bagel on top?

Then they must have been communicating telepathically.

Have you ever wondered why ALL the victim calls were placed to folks who they didn't know and who couldn't identify their voices? There is only one that was supposedly received by someone who knew them, and that one was proved to be false.

He said he received 2 calls from his wife aboard a plane, that she called collect from a satphone because she didn't have her purse where her credit cards were. You can't make a call on the satphones without a credit card. He first said that she called on her cell phone, but the phone record proved that was a lie. He changed his story. It is also notable that he is a ranking member of the government.

Forget science. Think of this in terms of a straight criminal investigation involving mass murder.
Now ask yourself, why did the state govts. of both Oklahoma (in the case of the OKC bombing) and New York willingly abdicate their responsibility to investigate cases of homicide.
The Murrah bldg. may have belonged to the Feds but the 163 cases of 1st degree murder were committed in the state of Oklahoma. In the events of 9/11 FEDGOV doesn't even have that fig leaf of jurisdictional claim to hide behind as the WTC complex was a private entity.
In both instances state officials failed in their duty to secure the respective crime scenes and instead stood on the sidelines sucking their thumbs when not otherwise engaged in holding Federal coats and fetching mocha lattes for the G-men.
These state officials starting with the governors and attorney generals should be made to answer as to why they willingly stood by and watched as major crime scenes were destroyed and evidence hauled away.
Why did they willingly obstruct justice and allow themselves to become accessories after the fact?

I hate to quote myself, but could any of you "official" theorists (and that's what you are) at least make an attempt to respond to the points made in the above post? How about we deal with these simple and fundamental points now, prior to moving onto all of the other ambiguous B.S. that you seemingly love to get stuck on. Certainly, you can come up with SOME form of a rebuttal, can you not? Anything?

I mean, if you can't, then the "official" version is pretty much blown out of the water right from the start. Without the Arabs on board with their "box cutters" and "superior piloting skills" OR without the fire being hot enough to cause the melting of steel and the subsequent collapse of the towers, then what do you have left to hang onto? I am asking questions here, and you are more than welcomed to offer your rebuttals. Pretty please with a bagel on top?

You spoke to my position, I agree.

Why would they?

I've read nothing even remotely compelling enough to cause me to dispel reality.

:tard: They don't have a smiley with a dunce cap.

You wouldn't know reality if it bit you in the ass. Or, maybe there's another explanation.

I italicized the word forum (which appeared in my post) to highlight the fact that you had omitted it in yours. But you knew that anyway.

You didn't include the word "forum" in your original post, which changes the entire meaning of my post.

The meaning of my post was not that the Internet was petty, that's an obvious clumsily-constructed Straw man.

I quoted you, and again, you haven't responded to what I said. O'Malley apparently hasn't understood it's a waste of time talking to you because you are disingenuous, as is anyone who pushes the government line on 9/11. Shouldn't you go back to SF so you can be with the censors I pointed out while critiquing your innaccurate criticisms?

O'Malley apparently hasn't understood it's a waste of time talking to you because you are disingenuous, as is anyone who pushes the government line on 9/11.
Yes, I know he has no credibility. I am using him to present the case for the sake of the lurkers. I hope that they can see what you see.

I quoted you, and again, you haven't responded to what I said. O'Malley apparently hasn't understood it's a waste of time talking to you because you are disingenuous, as is anyone who pushes the government line on 9/11. Shouldn't you go back to SF so you can be with the censors I pointed out while critiquing your innaccurate criticisms?



The only thing inaccurate (one 'n') was your original post on the matter.

I haven't posted on SF in over 6 years but hey, don't let that get in the way of a not-so-snappy comeback.

You spoke to my position, I agree.

And all we have left is to watch them dock, dodge, dive, and avoid the key points in ANY way they can.

Yes, I know he has no credibility. I am using him to present the case for the sake of the lurkers.



As I am using you to point out the Grand Canyon-sized holes in your positions. A symbiotic relationship, itz!

I have just as much credibility (or lack thereof) as you or anyone else posting on this thread, Fred.

And all we have left is to watch them dock, dodge, dive, and avoid the key points in ANY way they can.

Forty thousand views is nothing to sneeze at, we are scoring points against the controlled opposition.

I don't think I've ever seen an internet forum anywhere, where the topic of 9/11 was being discussed, where there was not at least one Jew troll present.

Does anyone here really think that the most important subject in recent history, in fact the potentially Jew-world-tyranny-ending subject of 9/11, can be discussed here, for example, without Jew interference? Of course not.

Certainly, there are Jews here right now. I wonder, who could they be?

As I am using you to point out the Grand Canyon-sized holes in your positions. A symbiotic relationship, itz!

I have just as much credibility (or lack thereof) as you or anyone else posting on this thread, Fred.
You aren't an idiot, so I'm left with the conclusion that you have an agenda. There are only perps, trolls and the truely stupid, which hold your position, name your own label.

Yes, I know he has no credibility. I am using him to present the case for the sake of the lurkers. I hope that they can see what you see.

Have no fear, they can see it. And so long as people like us are unwilling to give up, "go away", and stop being "trouble makers", they will continue to see it. Not only are we exposing their lies, but we are also exposing their tactics. So the "lurkers" will now be able to identify it themselves when they undoubtedly come across it again.

No need to get mad at the "official" trolls (Jews, whatever), let's thank them for the assists and welcome their continued, albeit it unwitting support. Better "they" try with us than with the "lurkers" who may not recognize them for what they truly are.

I don't think I've ever seen an internet forum anywhere, where the topic of 9/11 was being discussed, where there was not at least one Jew troll present.

Does anyone here really think that the most important subject in recent history, in fact the potentially Jew-world-tyranny-ending subject of 9/11, can be discussed here, for example, without Jew interference? Of course not.

Certainly, there are Jews here right now. I wonder, who could they be?
I know, but I am restrained from saying. :)

Certainly, there are Jews here right now. I wonder, who could they be?

They expose themselves, no need to call them out by their anonymous names.

And despite our calling them out and predicting their every move, their arrogance and their desperation will not permit them to stop.

Forty thousand views is nothing to sneeze at, we are scoring points against the controlled opposition.

I don't think I've ever seen an internet forum anywhere, where the topic of 9/11 was being discussed, where there was not at least one Jew troll present.

Does anyone here really think that the most important subject in recent history, in fact the potentially Jew-world-tyranny-ending subject of 9/11, can be discussed here, for example, without Jew interference? Of course not.

Certainly, there are Jews here right now. I wonder, who could they be?

My hat's off to Alex Linder for allowing this discussion to take place here, on Stormfart it would have been shutdown a long time ago.

That could have been a great site that could have done a lot for The Movement considering how many members it has and how many viewers it gets. But no, they have to shutdown threads, permaban good members while allowing jew troll fuckers like Lion Axe and that Mikhaelis fuck to post there with impunity! Then if that weren't bad enough, they put longtime sustaining members on permanent moderation once their SM expires in order to force them to pay Don Black more money in order to continue to post there freely [unmoderated].

Enraging and sickening! I would have sent that fucking site $50 a year if only they were legit - but they're not, they're fucking money-grubbing jews [take that as you will, either literally or figuratively].

My hat's off to Alex Linder for allowing this discussion to take place here, on Stormfart it would have been shutdown a long time ago.

That could have been a great site that could have done a lot for The Movement considering how many members it has and how many viewers it gets. But no, they have to shutdown threads, permaban good members while allowing jew troll fuckers like Lion Axe and that Mikhaelis fuck to post there with impunity! Then if that weren't bad enough, they put longtime sustaining members on permanent moderation once their SM expires in order to force them to pay Don Black more money in order to continue to post there freely [unmoderated].

Enraging and sickening! I would have sent that fucking site $50 a year if only they were legit - but they're not, they're fucking money-grubbing jews [take that as you will, either literally or figuratively].

Indeed. Thanks to Mr. Linder.

As for the money issue. I still find it HARD to believe that his costs are anywhere near as high as he claims them to be (I think he takes one time fees/costs and re-lists them every month). SF is JUST a discussion forum. It couldn't possibly cost that much to run. Hell, I host videos and have my own server to run off of and the costs are nowhere near the astronomically ridiculous claims he has made. And yes, my site is constantly under attack as well, so he is not the only one having to take security measures. Just another lie from a dishonest and dishonorable man, who is looking to take advantage of his own people (he's looking to mislead them as well).

You aren't an idiot, so I'm left with the conclusion that you have an agenda.



Thanks, I think?

You and I Fred, along with every other sincere WN poster on this thread, probably agree on 90+% of the issues which face us today.

There are countless valid, demonstrative reasons to revile Jews & what they have done to America, and yes, to the entire world.

I believe that ultimately, it was American foreign policy, and specifically the sycophantic policy towards Israel and the middle-east, that was the catalyst for the attacks.

I just don't believe the whole "9/11 was an inside job" scenario has been proven at all.

Then you must have a damn good explanation for the Hymie Brown affair, for example. Please share it.

Thanks, I think?

You and I Fred, along with every other sincere WN poster on this thread, probably agree on 90+% of the issues which face us today.

There are countless valid, demonstrative reasons to revile Jews & what they have done to America, and yes, to the entire world.

I believe that ultimately, it was American foreign policy, and specifically the sycophantic policy towards Israel and the middle-east, that was the catalyst for the attacks.

I just don't believe the whole "9/11 was an inside job" scenario has been proven at all.

Have you ever wondered why ALL the victim calls were placed to folks who they didn't know and who couldn't identify their voices? There is only one that was supposedly received by someone who knew them, and that one was proved to be false.



"And one minute later at 8.52, Lee Hanson receives a call from his son Peter.

[Flight UAL 175] "At 8:52, in Easton, Connecticut, a man named Lee Hanson received a phone call from his son Peter, a passenger on United 175. His son told him: “I think they’ve taken over the cockpit—An attendant has been stabbed— and someone else up front may have been killed. The plane is making strange moves. Call United Airlines—Tell them it’s Flight 175, Boston to LA."

Wow. Tell this to your fellow truthers.

Did you just fucking use the orwellian zio-word "truther"?

You are a fucking piece of dog shit, I don't even know you but I know enough to know you are a waste of air and should be punched in the face.

I just don't believe the whole "9/11 was an inside job" scenario has been proven at all.
With the plethora of evidence you've been presented with over the years, which cannot be discounted by blind denial, that rogue elements of the federal government and jewish interests conceived, planned, orchestrated and carried out the attacks of 9/11 for their purposes of profit (Americans) destruction of the jews' (neocons & israelis & dual-loyal-only-to-israel-jews) enemies, and to facilitate jew hegemony in the M.E. and America, cannot be whitewashed by jewish propaganda.

Your intentional obfuscation of facts and being obtuse and impregnable by facts, is clear for anyone to see. Your position is not a patriotic one, it is decidedly anti-American.

Have you ever wondered why ALL the victim calls were placed to folks who they didn't know and who couldn't identify their voices? There is only one that was supposedly received by someone who knew them, and that one was proved to be false.




"Passengers and crew began making phone calls to officials and family members starting at 09:30 using GTE airphones and mobile phones.

Altogether, the passengers and crew made 35 airphone calls and two cell phone calls from the flight.

Ten passengers and two crew members were able to successfully connect, providing information to family, friends, and others on the ground.

Tom Burnett made several phone calls to his wife beginning at 09:30:32 from rows 24 and 25, though he was assigned a seat in row four. Burnett explained that the plane had been hijacked by men claiming to have a bomb. He also said that a passenger had been knifed and that he believed the bomb threat was a ruse to control the passengers.

During one of Tom Burnett's calls, his wife informed him of the attacks on the World Trade Center and he replied that the hijackers were "talking about crashing this plane ... Oh my God. It's a suicide mission." He ended his last call by saying, "Don't worry, we're going to do something."

An unknown flight attendant attempted to contact the United Airlines maintenance facility at 09:32:29. The call lasted 95 seconds, but was not received as it may have been in queue.

Flight attendant Sandra Bradshaw called the maintenance facility at 09:35:40 from row 33. She reported the flight had been hijacked by men with knives who were in the cabin and flight deck and had stabbed another flight attendant.

"Jack, pick up sweetie, can you hear me? Okay. I just want to tell you, there's a little problem with the plane. I'm fine. I'm totally fine. I just want to tell you how much I love you."
Message left by passenger Lauren Grandcolas at 09:39:21.

Mark Bingham called his mother at 09:37:03 from row 25. He reported that the plane had been hijacked by three men who claimed to have a bomb.

Jeremy Glick called his wife at 09:37:41 from row 27 and told her the flight was hijacked by three dark-skinned men that looked "Iranian", wearing red bandanas and wielding knives. Glick remained connected until the end of the flight. He reported that the passengers voted whether to "rush" the hijackers.

The United air traffic control coordinator for West Coast flights, Alessandro "Sandy" Rogers, alerted the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Herndon Command Center in Herndon, Virginia, that Flight 93 was not responding and was off course.

A minute later, the transponder was turned off, but the Cleveland controller continued to monitor the flight on primary radar. The Herndon Center relayed information on Flight 93 to FAA headquarters.

Joseph DeLuca called his father at 09:43:03 from row 26 to inform him the flight had been hijacked.

Todd Beamer attempted to call his wife from row 32 at 09:43:48, but was routed to GTE phone operator Lisa D. Jefferson. Beamer told the operator that the flight was hijacked and the pilots were on the floor dead or dying.

He revealed one of the hijackers had a red belt with a bomb strapped to his waist. A United employee in San Francisco, California, sent an ACARS message to the flight at 09:46: "Heard report of incident. Plz confirm all is normal."

Linda Gronlund called her sister, Elsa Strong, at 09:46:05 and left her a message saying there were "men with a bomb".


Flight attendant CeeCee Lyles called her husband at 09:47:57 and left him a message saying the plane had been hijacked.

Marion Britton called her friend, Fred Fiumano, at 09:49:12. Fiumano recalled, "she said, 'We’re gonna. They’re gonna kill us, you know, We’re gonna die.’ And I told her, 'Don’t worry, they hijacked the plane, they’re gonna take you for a ride, you go to their country, and you come back. You stay there for vacation.' You don’t know what to say—what are you gonna say? I kept on saying the same things, ‘Be calm.’ And she was crying and—you know—more or less crying and screaming and yelling."

Flight attendant Sandra Bradshaw called her husband at 09:50:04 and told him she was preparing scalding water to throw at the hijackers.

Passenger Lauren Grandcolas called her husband twice, once before takeoff and once during the hijacking. He missed both of her calls. She then passed her phone to Honor Elizabeth Wainio.

Wainio called her stepmother at 09:53:43 and concluded, four and a half minutes later, by saying, "I have to go. They're breaking into the cockpit. I love you."

Jarrah dialed in the VHF omnidirectional range (VOR) frequency for the VOR navigational aid at Reagan National Airport at 9:55:11 to direct the plane toward Washington, D.C. Bradshaw, on the phone with her husband, said "Everyone is running up to first class. I've got to go. Bye."


**
From Wikipedia. All those calls were from just one flight.

Did you just fucking use the orwellian zio-word "truther"?

You are a fucking piece of dog shit, I don't even know you but I know enough to know you are a waste of air and should be punched in the face.

Reminds me of that Mikhaelis fuck on Stormfront, that piece of shit was in every single 9/11 thread calling everyone who dared to go against the ZOG version of 9/11 "TRUTHERS" and "Kooks", and "CTers", comparing 9/11 with UFOs and other such nonsense in order to discredit and make anyone who didn't tow-the-conga-line "crazy", and "an embarrassment", etc...

A relentless fucking kike!

From Wikipedia.
Can you find a MORE zionist source for us?

If you want to be taken seriously, avoid jew-compromised sources.

Wikipedia is Hasbara HQ and you damned well know it.

Reminds me of that Mikhaelis fuck on Stormfront, that piece of shit was in every single 9/11 thread calling everyone who dared to go against the ZOG version of 9/11 "TRUTHERS" and "Kooks", and "CTers", comparing 9/11 with UFOs and other such nonsense in order to discredit and make anyone who didn't tow-the-conga-line "crazy", and "an embarrassment", etc...

A relentless fucking kike!

That is one kike I'd love to kick to sleep!

Can you find a MORE zionist source for us?

If you want to be taken seriously, avoid jew-compromised sources.



Wikipedia is about as impartial a source in the matter of 9/11 that I have found on the 'net.

It's not an ideal source, granted. It was the first one that I found that just detailed the calls from one of the planes. /shrug

Is your position that all 37 calls were faked, Fred?

Wikipedia is about as impartial a source in the matter of 9/11 that I have found on the 'net.

It's not an ideal source, granted. It was the first one that I found that just detailed the calls from one of the planes. /shrug

Is your position that all 37 calls were faked, Fred?

Wiki is Hasbara HQ, everything dealing with 9/11 on that site is a fabrication, EVERYTHING!

Find something credible to hang your hat on.

Wiki is Hasbara HQ, everything dealing with 9/11 on that site is a fabrication, EVERYTHING!

Find something credible to hang your hat on.


So you believe the 37 calls were faked?

So you believe the 37 calls were faked?

You're turning this into a circle-jerk, I've already discounted the possibility of those calls ten times, I ain't goin' there again. The calls didn't happen, now move on to another jew item to reflect on.

You're turning this into a circle-jerk, I've already discounted the possibility of those calls ten times, I ain't goin' there again. The calls didn't happen, now move on to another jew item to reflect on.



You haven't discounted anything, you have just regurgitated faulty science and damn-near religious fervor-ed amateur opinions from sites where people frankly seem to just make shit up.

Open your fucking eyes.

Finally, I called a friend who works for Jet Blue in New York City as a flight attendant. I asked her if she had ever used her cell phone aboard a flight. "Sure" she said, "but not in the air". I asked her why not. "Well, first of all, it's against the rules. It interferes with the plane's electronics." So I asked her if she turned her phone off to avoid getting calls during flights. "No, we don't have to do that. The phone loses the signal automatically right after we take off. There's no signal, so it won't ring anyway until we land."

http://bushstole04.com/911/strange_case.htm

I have personal experience in this matter.

http://bushstole04.com/911/strange_case.htm

I have personal experience in this matter.



If you are going to tell me that you were on that plane Fred, you might want to see a physician.

I kid, I kid. :D

You are going to say you have tried to make a cell phone call from an aircraft and it didn't connect, maybe?

And from that you have ascertained that it is therefore impossible to do so?

Do you believe the technology exists for a phone call to be placed from an aircraft to the ground at all?

Again, I cannot PROVE this ONE theory, but that is no reason to dismiss it or consider me "crazy" for even suggesting it.

The video supports the claim that the planes were hijacked through the auto-pilot system because the flaps are shown moving back and forth quickly, in a manner that human hands are incapable of doing, but an automatic control system would be capable of.

The auto-pilot explanation helps explain why some of the 19 hijackers were still alive, and the passenger lists showed no one with Arabic names. Also in support is the fact that the company that builds the auto-pilot control systems is based out of Israel.

9/11 is something like a magician showing off how he did his trick. The secret is so simple that you wonder how you were fooled in the first place.

Lee Hanson supposedly received two calls from his son Peter. The first at 8:52:00, which lasted 92 seconds, and the second, at 9:00:03, which lasted 192 seconds (apparently four seconds beyond the point where the plane hit the building).

http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00216.pdf

During the second call (which to me sounds rather scripted in the first place), the caller supposedly said:

"It's getting bad, Dad-A stewardess was stabbed-They seem to have knives and Mace-They said they have a bomb-It's getting very bad on the plane-Passengers are throwing up and getting sick-The plane is making jerky movements-I don't think the pilot is flying the plane-I think we are going down-I think they intend to go to Chicago or someplace and fly into a building-Don't worry, Dad- If it happens, it'll be very fast-My God, my God."

What doesn't add up, is the fact that between 8:58 and 9:03, flight 175 was making maneuvers as follows:

"(8:58 a.m.-9:03 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Controllers Watch Flight 175 Descending 10,000 Feet per Minute Air traffic controllers at the FAA’s New York Center who are watching Flight 175 on the radar screen (see (8:57 a.m.-9:03 a.m.) September 11, 2001) see the aircraft descending at an astonishing rate of up to 10,000 feet per minute. [The Learning Channel, 2005] From 8:58 a.m., Flight 175 is constantly descending toward New York. [National Transportation Safety Board, 2/19/2002 ] One of the New York Center controllers, Jim Bohleber, is looking at his radar scope and calls out the plane’s rate of descent every 12 seconds, each time the screen updates, saying: “It’s six thousand feet a minute. Now it’s eight. Now ten.” [Newsday, 9/10/2002; Vanity Fair, 8/1/2006] Dave Bottiglia, the controller responsible for monitoring Flight 175, will later comment that 10,000 feet per minute is “absolutely unheard of for a commercial jet. It is unbelievable for the passengers in the back to withstand that type of force as they’re descending. [The hijackers are] actually nosing the airplane down and doing what I would call a ‘power dive.’” [The Learning Channel, 2005] While Flight 175 is in this rapid descent, it heads directly into the paths of several other aircraft, and narrowly avoids a mid-air collision with flight Midex 7 (see (9:01 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [Spencer, 2008, pp. 73-76]"

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a855nearcollision

It's funny that this call occured while Flt. 175 was in the middle of a "power dive" of such an acceleration that the caller would likely have been incapacitated or pinned in his seat at the time. If one of the passengers was indeed talking to someone at the time, why would he say "jerky movements" when the plane was in an unprecedented "power dive"?

Why would the caller speculate that they were going to Chicago, when the NY City skyline was all around them?

Put simply, the substance of the call doesn't comport at all with what Flt. 175was doing at the time.

Something is seriously wrong here - just as it is with every single aspect of the Kosher version of events. None of it stands up to scrutiny.

"And one minute later at 8.52, Lee Hanson receives a call from his son Peter.

[Flight UAL 175] "At 8:52, in Easton, Connecticut, a man named Lee Hanson received a phone call from his son Peter, a passenger on United 175. His son told him: “I think they’ve taken over the cockpit—An attendant has been stabbed— and someone else up front may have been killed. The plane is making strange moves. Call United Airlines—Tell them it’s Flight 175, Boston to LA."

With current systems, post 9/11, yes. Pre 9/11 there were satphones in some planes, but on 9/11, the 757s didn't have them, per the owner AA statements in writing.

I fly alot, and I don't listen to the stus very well. I am a businessman and I'm frequently on the phone during take-off. The AT&T system I use goes "signal free" right after take-off and I get no signal until I land. I assure you that this has been repeated by me at least a dozen times. Others I fly with, using different systems, have the same experience.

Some of the airlines are putting com systems aboard the planes now, but in 9/11's case, it was not possible.

With current systems, post 9/11, yes. Pre 9/11 there were satphones in some planes, but on 9/11, the 757s didn't have them, per the owner AA statements in writing.



Do you have a link to an official American Airlines statement that there were no satphones aboard the aircraft(s) in question?

Since everything I have read so far about the calls mentions satphones (or "air phones" which I assume are the same thing) such a statement would seem inconsistent.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f178/myphotos1960/AA757AMM01282001a.jpg

•Proprietary information has been removed.
•Top left date 01/28/2007 refers to the software revision date used to read this document on American Airlines Computer system.
•757 Aircraft Maintenance Manual page date found in lower right. Page of manual is 23-19-00-0.
•Work Order ECO-F0878 dated prior to above 757 AMM page could not be located.
•We did locate ECO's dated mid and late 2002 which order the removal of the phone system. However, none dated prior to the above 757 AMM as noted.
•"Replacement" refers to major maintenance events being done on aircraft that requires full removal of phone system. Phone Company Personnel only are allowed to remove/re-install full system until removed permanently. However, the phones were deactivated (no service) during this time according to above 757 AMM.
•Actual Size Document
•Update 09/18/07: A new document has emerged on the internet through an anonymous source which orders the phones deactivated dated March 2002. This new document is not referenced in the above 757 AMM page as the deactivation order. The document contradicts American Airlines Customer Relations Representative Chad Kinder, American Airlines Public Relations Representative John Hotard who states the deactivation order was issued prior to 9/11/2001 and of course the above 757 AMM page. We are currently in the process of analyzing the conflicts and will update this article as more information becomes available.
•Back to full article
•Interview With Former USAF Accident Investigation President


http://pilotsfor911truth.org/AA757AMM.html

Donnie, in light of your relentless defending of the "official" story of 9/11 pushed by the jewish media, I feel compelled to ask you:

Do you also believe that the greatest lie of the XX Century (and possibly the greatest lie ever fabricated and pushed as self-evident in all of history), a.k.a The Holocaust, really took place?

Just wondering...

The only thing inaccurate (one 'n') was your original post on the matter.

I haven't posted on SF in over 6 years but hey, don't let that get in the way of a not-so-snappy comeback.

Just maybe that's why you don't know what's been going on over there. As far as snappy comebacks, that's not my goal for pointing out your bullshit. As far as I'm concerned, you're just muddying this thread up with your density. It's about why we are muzzled about 9/11 at SF, not how it was done, although Scott put out some very compelling information as did JP Smith. Now, you ... you're just pissin' in the wind.

WHY?

FAA Manager Destroys Tape
by Matthew L. Wald,
The New York Times, May 6, 2004

WASHINGTON, May 6 -- At least six air traffic controllers who dealt with two of the hijacked airliners on Sept. 11, 2001, made a tape recording that same day describing the events, but the tape was destroyed by a supervisor without anyone making a transcript or even listening to it, the Transportation Department said in a report today.

The taping began before noon on Sept. 11 at the New York Air Route Traffic Control Center, in Ronkonkoma, on Long Island, where about 16 people met in a basement conference room known as "the Bat Cave" and passed around a microphone, each recalling his or her version of the events a few hours earlier.

But officials at the center never told higher-ups of the tape's existence, and it was later destroyed by an F.A.A. official described in the report as a quality-assurance manager there. That manager crushed the cassette in his hand, shredded the tape and dropped the pieces into different trash cans around the building, according to a report made public today by the inspector general of the Transportation Department.

WIKIPEDIA

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/18/wikipedia-editing-zionist-groups

Just maybe that's why you don't know what's been going on over there. As far as snappy comebacks, that's not my goal for pointing out your bullshit. As far as I'm concerned, you're just muddying this thread up with your density. It's about why we are muzzled about 9/11 at SF, not how it was done, although Scott put out some very compelling information as did JP Smith. Now, you ... you're just pissin' in the wind.
I believe the questions about 9/11 were the basis for the bannings, were instrumental in uncovering the SF agenda, and are part & parcel to this discussion. I believe it is germain. Besides, it piss-off JB & DB. :)

In my opinion (I wasn't there), the planes WERE in fact hijacked and flown into the buildings.

However, it is my belief that the planes were hijacked remotely. This makes the most sense for many reasons.

#1 - the technology was obviously there. The U.S. military, and most notably the Israeli military, have had access to this technology and have been flying precision military exercises with drones for a very long time now.

#2 - and this is a big question you have to ask yourself: could a few Arabs with BOX CUTTERS really take over A plane without a single member of the crew getting out an "S.O.S."? Let alone on FOUR planes! This makes NO sense at all, does it?

However, it does make sense that communications were wired to shut off at the same time the pilots lost control of their aircraft. Had they not done this, then the pilots would have reported back to the ground that they lost control of their aircraft and that the planes were now on an alternative/"automated" course. Which would have obviously blew a giant hole into this "Muslim terrorists did it with box cutters" B.S.

Seriously, could ANYONE be that efficient with a razor blade? In each instance they just snuffed the life out of the entire crew before they could send out a mayday? I think not. And I can only imagine the horror the pilots must have felt as they desperately tried to regain control before crashing straight into the buildings.

#3 - the precision paths that the planes flew into the buildings (especially at the Pentagon) would have been improbable for a single EXPERIENCED pilot to pull off with MANUAL control of the aircraft. Yet they expect us to believe that 3 Arabs with NO experience flying JUMBO JETS were able to control the planes with pinpoint accuracy?

Again, I cannot PROVE this ONE theory, but that is no reason to dismiss it or consider me "crazy" for even suggesting it. And on the flip side, I have seen no real PROOF to support the official version either. NONE whatsoever! Yet these Jews and all who serve them are expecting us to believe their "official" version, and calling us "crazy" on the back end IF we dare think for ourselves. And yes, the MSM is OBVIOUSLY biased and it is UNDENIABLY controlled by the Jews. As are the official "investigators" and the controlled opposition (the Alex Jones' of the "conspiracy" world).

And yes, this was all just for "show", the buildings were ultimately brought down via controlled demolition. Steel simply does NOT MELT in an office fire (800 f), with or without the fireproofing being "stripped off". The steel itself requires a higher melting point (2,750 f) than that fire could have possibly generated (Jet Fuel = MAX of 1800 f.). Simple physics and math that simply does not add up.Nominated as 'Best in Thread'.

I believe the questions about 9/11 were the basis for the bannings, were instrumental in uncovering the SF agenda, and are part & parcel to this discussion. I believe it is germain. Besides, it piss-off JB & DB. :)

You are correct. Discussion of the attack is germain, and in fact I have learned something very important about the hijackings that I never considered before. ;)

You are correct. Discussion of the attack is germain, and in fact I have learned something very important about the hijackings that I never considered before. ;)
I'm not as eloquent as Linder, Scott or JP, but I'm a persistant S.O.B. ;) I won't shy away from a fight, ever.

Could some StormFront fugee please fill me in on what SF's admins views are on the OKC bombing?
Is that a subject that can be freely discussed or does it too labor under a heavy-handed 'police' presence?

Could some StormFront fugee please fill me in on what SF's admins views are on the OKC bombing?
Is that a subject that can be freely discussed or does it too labor under a heavy-handed 'police' presence?

No, that is another taboo subject.

Believe me, if you mention that you somehow condone the actions of Tim McVeigh, they will come crawling up from behind to put a knife in your back.

As I usually explained my position on the subject on Stormfront: I really can't condone what McVeigh did, but I more than understand his reasoning and motivations for doing so.

Personally, I blame the US government for what Tim McVeigh did, not Tim McVeigh. McVeigh simply reacted to the murders that the US government committed against it's own people. Tim McVeigh did exactly as he was ordained to do based upon the Constitution and it's basic principles.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with blood of patriots and tyrants, thus is the purpose of manure. -Thomas Jefferson

Tim obviously didn't plant all the bombs that were found at OKC.

Oklahoma City Bombing RARE footage

Very good footage!

How did they know that the 2nd and 3rd devices "were bigger than the first one?" The first one had already gone off, so how were they able to determine that the other bombs were "even bigger?"

Michael Collins Piper OKC bombing = mossad operation (video) & links

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10927

Oklahoma City bombing was a Mossad-German intelligence operation

According to a former investigative reporter for CBS News, the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Office Building on April 19, 1995 was the result of a closely coordinated plot by domestic espionage assets of Israel's Mossad and a German intelligence asset to pin blame for the bombing on Arabs in the United States and link the attack to Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.


.....What soon became obvious to the CBS News source was that Strassmeier was the tip of a plot to blow up the Murrah buildng that involved not only a German intelligence asset, Strassmeier, but Israel's Mossad and key officials in the FBI and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF).

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-77420.html

The Mossad’s job is to protect international Zionism through the use of murder, violence, and intrigue. When Anna Lindh, a pro-Palestinian politician, was about to become Sweden’s next Prime Minister, she was savagely murdered. A drug-induced assassin actually gutted her in a posh department store. Jurgen Moellemann, who was about to be elected Germany’s leader, was assassinated Israeli-style in a public fashion, to relay the message to other future political types.

International Jewry saw that country after country was tamed, Russia in 1918, Germany in 1945, Europe, Australia, etc, leaving only the people of the United States. In 1913, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) was formed after the people of Atlanta actually stormed a prison, and hung a Jewish child killer. In the late 1960’s, the Mossad saw the need for an action branch in the United States, and that is how the SPLC evolved.


American Militias Seen As Major Threat

For years, the Zionist press had pressed the cons of KKK, American Bund, up to today’s Neo Nazis. But the Zionist's achilles heel has always been it’s smoldering ego. The secretive operation of Oklahoma City was so successful in destroying militias that Dees blathered on in FBI reports of his Elohim spy ring, which a reporter JD Cash exposed. Dees was so enamoured of his superiority, and the Goyim’s stupidity, he laughingly told the reporter when questioned about the OKC bombing ‘I can’t tell you about OKC, if I did I would have to kill you’.

Oklahoma City Spelled The End of The Militias

The OKC bombing was orchestrated by a six-man team of Mossad agents, Strassmier, Spiegelman, Brescia, and three Israeli demolition experts. The story that a disgruntled drifter, Timothy McVeiegh, and his mentally challenged pal, Terry Nichols, destroyed the Murrah Building, with a tin can Ryder truck, that was parked 100' away, is absurd.

LINKS (http://www.usmessageboard.com/conspiracy-theories/85070-is-the-splc-an-american-arm-of-the-mossad.html)

Very good footage!

How did they know that the 2nd and 3rd devices "were bigger than the first one?" The first one had already gone off, so how were they able to determine that the other bombs were "even bigger?"

Good question, notmenomore....I have no idea...but it was certainly curious that the ATF guys were 'not there' the day it blew....strange co incidences.....

Very good footage!

How did they know that the 2nd and 3rd devices "were bigger than the first one?" The first one had already gone off, so how were they able to determine that the other bombs were "even bigger?"

This might be a false lead, or it might be on the money.

Seismic evidence recorded by local seismometers demonstrated a double-pronged explosive energy event with two nearly identical three-to-five-second, low-amplitude, multiple wave trains separated by a null field, occurring over a nine-second interval.

USGS geophysicists argued that these two wave-packets were due to an initial ground "surface" wave arriving before a secondary wave that had traveled via deeper reflecting Earth layers, i.e., via the local basement.

Other geophysicists argued that there were two wave-packets, representing the "bomb's" explosion followed by the building debris impacting with the ground.

These hypotheses were literally blown apart by the US Government's explosive demolition action on the Alfred P. Murrah Building remains, which failed completely to demonstrate a two-pronged seismic response that was in any way similar to the original event recordings.

The original and best seismic recordings have been confiscated by the FBI, along with many other items of evidence such as the City video-surveillance tapes. Hardly surprisingly, none of this evidence surfaced in the McVeigh trial.

Along with the evidence of seismic action shaking the building some five-to-ten seconds prior to any explosion or blast wave hitting the building, there were several other mysterious pre-explosion events.
Pg 3
OKC may have not been a bombing, an EMP event more likely (http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/03-14-05/discussion.cgi.27.html)

An 'electro-magnetic pulse weapon'? Gimme a break. Next you'll be saying that's what took down the trade towers.

An 'electro-magnetic pulse weapon'? Gimme a break. Next you'll be saying that's what took down the trade towers.

Who would be stupid enough to ask your input on anything? You're an anti, we don't need you here.

WITZ=JEWISH GALL=CHUTZPA

Who would be stupid enough to ask your input on anything? You're an anti, we don't need you here.

WITZ=JEWISH GALL=CHUTZPA

Wow, you li'l bitch. Fear my EMP weapon.