Successionist was banned for sounding like a kook and on top of that insinuating another member, a good member, was "suspect" due to his skepticism concerning Successionist's 9/11 theories.

Turbo Hog, Astragoth, KG Peiper, Catto Fascista, and pnacistreason, pack your bags.



The Stormfront members were not even officially banned for accusing members of being Jews, only vague secondary claims of insinuation with the primary claim of being so-called 'kooks'.

WN who posted that the Mossad probably did 9/11 were called kooks by JB and banned because of that alone.

Because Jack Boot said he was a Zionist.


As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts.


Nobody accused him of being a Zionist. He said so himself.




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Yes, we definitely bumped heads once or twice upon a time. :D Good to know that you can see beyond those disagreements and your opinions about my (personal) past, to simply judge me by my words and deeds (since the time I "woke up"). Even if only on a "couple points" on this ONE issue. lol Like you said, the truth is the truth.

In any case, I'd like a link to this book you are claiming that Duke wrote, if possible. The thought of such a thing disgusts me, but if the book was written, I'd like to see some proof of it.

I had read that before as well, that Duke published a book using a female pseudonym on how women should treat their men.

I have no proof that it is true, although, somebody, who has since been banned, attempted to start a thread on the subject at Stormfront (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t597722/).

I'm not a 9/11 enthusiast, but these bitches come on here demanding we accept their thermite/missile/EMP/flavor-of-the-month inchoate theories or else we're all goddamned jews and expect to get away with it?



What we've got here is...failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it.

Well, he gets it.

And I don't like it any more than you men.

I lie...


Finally, some candor from you. Well maybe that's a start.

Well, let me exasserbate your fears.

I don't like what you and your sister George are doing in this thread, you have clearly taken on the mask of judaism, and I'd like to choke some sense into you.

I'm done with allowing you to derail this thread, I will attack your every attempt to do so.



I'm betting you won't hit me with a dictionary.

Just a hunch.

The Stormfront members were not even officially banned for accusing members of being Jews, only vague secondary claims of insinuation with the primary claim of being so-called 'kooks'.

WN who posted that the Mossad probably did 9/11 were called kooks by JB and banned because of that alone.

Because Jack Boot said he was a Zionist.

Nobody accused him of being a Zionist. He said so himself.

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Good work CP. I think you "nut-shelled" it there.

Very clearly, SF is jewish-controlled and an anathema to White Nationalism.

Case closed!

I'm not a 9/11 enthusiast,


LOL! What the fuck is a "9/11 enthusiast", chump? Is that the same as a "Holocaust(TM)" enthusiast?


but these bitches come on here demanding we accept their thermite/missile/EMP/flavor-of-the-month inchoate theories or else we're all goddamned jews and expect to get away with it?

Did somebody put a gun to your head, asshole, and force you to participate in this thread? Did somebody force you to take a stand that only a Jew would take? Did somebody force you to denigrate anyone who can see through the Jewish 9/11 fraud that threatens all of us, as "truther scum"?

Funny how you're the fucking "victim" here, Georgie.

I love sucking jewish cock.

Donnie, TMI.

And they wonder why this thread is in 'Nutz.

I was blowing a nigger the other day and a cop caught me. Honeychild, that cop beat be so bad, it was so much fun, I creamed in my jeans.

Damnit, scumbag, can you take this to the jewish forum?

Have you ever met 'Strich Swayze, Fred?

I think you will soon.

The real reason why 11 Stormfront veterans were banned is because the Admins of Stormfront led by Jack Boot thought that WN who blame Mossad for 9/11 are kooks.

Successionist was banned for sounding like a kook and on top of that insinuating another member, a good member, was "suspect" due to his skepticism concerning Successionist's 9/11 theories.

Turbo Hog, Astragoth, KG Peiper, Catto Fascista, and pnacistreason, pack your bags.



Never once did any of the banned SF members accuse anybody of being a Jew. They just kept blaming 9/11 on Israel, Mossad and the Jews. So they were banned. Vague accusations of insinuations claimed.

The reason is clear now. Jack Boot has stated he is a Zionist.


As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts.



Israel killed Whites in the USS Liberty attack. Yet Jack Boot defends Israel. He is a Zioniist, just as John Joy Tree is and the rest of the Stormfront Admins and many Moderators there.

It explains why so many good WN have been banned from Kosherfront.



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Never once did any of the banned SF members accuse anybody of being a Jew. They just kept blaming 9/11 on Israel, Mossad and the Jews. So they were banned.

The reason is clear now. Jack Boot has stated he is a Zionist.


Lies and more lies.

The Stormfront members were not even officially banned for accusing members of being Jews, only vague secondary claims of insinuation with the primary claim of being so-called 'kooks'.

WN who posted that the Mossad probably did 9/11 were called kooks by JB and banned because of that alone.

Because Jack Boot said he was a Zionist.

Nobody accused him of being a Zionist. He said so himself.



Hitler was a Zionist too.

Lies and more lies.

You are lying again.

This is what Jack Boot said:


As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts.


A Zionist is one who defends Israel.

When we all know Israel did 9/11


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My mammy say i's oughta stays out'n de molasses. I says 'a nigga gotta eats.'
Trollboi, get thee hence, reeetarrrdd.

I found a job in the circumcize ward, three skins a week and a chance to get a head.

Good for you, dumbass.

You are lying again.

This is what Jack Boot said:

A Zionist is one who defends Israel.

When we all know Israel did 9/11


No, a Zionist is someone that believes that the Jews should return to Israel.

Of course the kikes want their cake and to eat it too. They want to be able to travel freely and to be able to live around the globe, and keep their haven of Israel as a place to escape to with impunity when they get caught fucking-over every other nation on the planet.

Lies and more lies.

You are lying again.

Read Jack Boot's own words:

Successionist was banned for sounding like a kook and on top of that insinuating another member, a good member, was "suspect" due to his skepticism concerning Successionist's 9/11 theories.

Turbo Hog, Astragoth, KG Peiper, Catto Fascista, and pnacistreason, pack your bags.



They were banned for, in Jack Boot's worldview, sounding like kooks and vague insinuations. JB doesn't say any of them called another member a Jew.

So Israel kills Whites on the USS Liberty and Jack Boot's response to defend Israel.


As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts.



The Stormfront Admins are in fact Zionists by their own statements. As such they don't want Israel or Mossad blamed for the crime of 9/11.



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What the fuck are you talking about?

Nutzpah lounge or no, I'm really starting to believe you might be a bit unbalanced, Fred.

Nobody has said anything about shutting down this thread.

There are only two people that could do that. Alex or Varg.

Stick to backing up your point of view on 9/11 with facts, my man. I think the whole point of this thread coming to VNN was because of pro-Semites just name-calling on SF. It's been pointed out many times that name-calling is the technique used to derail 9/11 threads, so either back yourself up with facts or GTFO.

What facts lead you to believe a Saudi caveman millionaire living in Afghanistan did it? Let's start with that.

Have you ever met 'Strich Swayze, Fred?

I think you will soon.

Donnie, now you sound like you have lost your case all together. Calling for censorship means you have lost. It shows that in the marketplace of ideas you have nothing to offer.

It's not hard:

Stay on topic
Back yourself up with facts and reasoning

The whole reason this thread is here is due to Jack Boot's censorship of 9/11 truth-tellers. Don't be like him.

Donnie, now you sound like you have lost your case all together. Calling for censorship means you have lost.


Fred's unhinged antics deserve a mercy tarding.

I'll post whatever I want where I want when I want, btw.

Fred's unhinged antics deserve a mercy tarding.

I'll post whatever I want where I want when I want, btw.

OK, well you sound exactly like the flametards at Stormfront. They don't want to address Jewish responsibility for the massacre so they just try to destroy the discussion by turning it into a flame-war.

So, in all seriousness, please refrain from ad-hominems. The jewsmedia, government have lied thousands of times before and are still lying to this day. People that believe that they are lying once-again are not unreasonable.

Fred's unhinged antics deserve a mercy tarding.

I'll post whatever I want where I want when I want, btw.

Do you deny that Jack Boot defends his jewish masters and bans 11 Stormfront veterans?

Here is Jack Boot:

As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts.

Israel attacked the USS Liberty and killed Whites. Do you think Jack Boot banned those who blamed Israel because he is a Zionist?

For what reason are you running interference for?


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OK, well you sound exactly like the flametards at Stormfront. They don't want to address Jewish responsibility for the massacre so they just try to destroy the discussion by turning it into a flame-war.

So, in all seriousness, please refrain from ad-hominems. The jewsmedia, government have lied thousands of times before and are still lying to this day. People that believe that they are lying once-again are not unreasonable.


Have you read this thread?

The morality of those in charge of SF http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t369420/ As you can see,no one denies the book exists. http://www.nndb.com/people/210/000024138/

Have you ever met 'Strich Swayze, Fred?

I think you will soon.

http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2010/10/14/15/enhanced-buzz-24798-1287085037-18.jpg

OM NOM NOM!

Have you read this thread?

This thread is about Jack Boot defends his jewish masters and bans 11 Stormfront veterans.

Do you deny Jack Boot is a Zionist?

As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts.

Israel attacked the USS Liberty and killed Whites. Jack Boot states he is a Zionist, and he banned posters defending his Jewish masters over the subject of 9/11.



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Do you deny that Jack Boot defends his jewish masters and bans 11 Stormfront veterans?


I deeply regret his banning of those 11 "veterans".

Primarily because now they are here.

I deeply regret his banning of those 11 "veterans".

Primarily because now they are here.

This thread is about Jack Boot defends his jewish masters and bans 11 Stormfront veterans.

Do you deny Jack Boot is a Zionist?

As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts.

Israel attacked the USS Liberty and killed Whites. Jack Boot states he is a Zionist, and he banned posters defending his Jewish masters over the subject of 9/11.



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What the fuck are you talking about?

Nutzpah lounge or no, I'm really starting to believe you might be a bit unbalanced, Fred.

Nobody has said anything about shutting down this thread.

There are only two people that could do that. Alex or Varg.

I already told you once to fucking learn how to read. Did I not?

Fred didn't say shit about "shutting down this thread", he said why are you trying to destroy it?

You already said that you couldn't possibly care less if the jews did 9/11, yet here you are relentlessly trying to derail a thread dealing with that very topic that you already said you couldn't care less about.

That's what's makes you either suspect, or stupid, and illiterate.

Trollboi, get thee hence, reeetarrrdd.

I ask people here who knows this Fred O'Malley character; does he do this kind of thing often? E.g start to invent quotes and reply with polemics as soon as he runs out of any constructive to offer in rebuttal?

I ask people here who knows this Fred O'Malley character; does he do this kind of thing often? E.g start to invent quotes and reply with polemics as soon as he runs out of any constructive to offer in rebuttal?

Lion Axe, you are lying again.

This thread is about Jack Boot defends his jewish masters and bans 11 Stormfront veterans.

Do you deny Jack Boot is a Zionist?

As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts.

Israel attacked the USS Liberty and killed Whites. Jack Boot states he is a Zionist, and he banned posters defending his Jewish masters over the subject of 9/11. A Zionist is anybody who defends any part of Israel whatsoever.

So far you haven't proven that these 11 Stormfront veterans were banned for any other reason.



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Anyway...

My first introduction to 9/11 truth was a website that took the position that the Pentagon wasn't hit by an airplane, but by a missile. Check out this hi-res picture and notice the non-broken window immediately to the left of the collapsed area, and notice the way that the damage to the building isn't the in the shape of a shadow of an airliner.

http://www.osha.gov/as/opa/911/images/pentagon.jpg

You all need to understand that both black and duke were willing to sell out the confidental information they had on their fellow Klansmen. This was over 30 years ago. Duke was known back then to the Klan as a con merchant and his friend don black was no better. Why do you think the admin on SF is not allowed to be questioned. Those are the people jack boot takes his orders from. Both black and duke have not worked a real job in DECADES,both living off donations they have scammed from people who think that they represent White Nationalism. Everyone on SF carries on about duke being such a great spokesman for WN,lol,last time I looked at the map,Iran was not part of Europe,so what was he doing there? Instead of just focusing on that idiot jack boot,we should also focus on the real truth behind the lies we have been told about what great blokes black and duke are. Think about it seriously,what have either really done for the survival of our race. How much money has duke wasted on his gambling habit? Your money,money taken from sustaining members of SF. This goes much deeper than just Jack Boot. Look at who controls boots. The real corruption of the admin of SF would stun people if they realised the truth about duke and black.

Anyway...

My first introduction to 9/11 truth was a website that took the position that the Pentagon wasn't hit by an airplane, but by a missile. Check out this hi-res picture and notice the non-broken window immediately to the left of the collapsed area, and notice the way that the damage to the building isn't the in the shape of a shadow of an airliner.

http://www.osha.gov/as/opa/911/images/pentagon.jpg

Hmm, the damage certainly fits that of what an airliner would cause. Or are you suggesting that there should be an airplane-shaped hole like in cartoons?

This thread is about Jack Boot defends his jewish masters and bans 11 Stormfront veterans.

Do you deny Jack Boot is a Zionist?




"As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts. Israel is a racial nationalist state. That is what we want for ourselves. Israel is prepared to wage war to defend it's borders, and that is what we would do. Israel will hunt down and kill their enemies, and that is what we would do.

Israel would never permit raving fools to speak on it's behalf, and neither do we."


At least use the quote in context.

At least use the quote in context.

It's Celtic Patriot, he and his sock-puppet accounts got banned more times by John Law (rip) than I can count. He does this kind of thing routinely, post almost with a manic need to repeat/spam the same lines over and over when he's effectively argued with. And he's not going to stop until his leave is over.

I ask people here who knows this Fred O'Malley character; does he do this kind of thing often? E.g start to invent quotes and reply with polemics as soon as he runs out of any constructive to offer in rebuttal?Lion axe are you trying to deny that boots said he defends israel. If so then your shit outa luck as we have all seen the post were little jackie defends israel and stands up for them. Your eunach friend boots defended israel. israel is the enemy

"As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts. Israel is a racial nationalist state. That is what we want for ourselves. Israel is prepared to wage war to defend it's borders, and that is what we would do. Israel will hunt down and kill their enemies, and that is what we would do.

Israel would never permit raving fools to speak on it's behalf, and neither do we."


At least use the quote in context.That quote sounds just like a jew talking. I have never heard a real WN defend israel,no matter what.

It's Celtic Patriot, he and his sock-puppet accounts got banned more times by John Law (rip) than I can count. He does this kind of thing routinely, post almost with a manic need to repeat/spam the same lines over and over when he's effectively argued with. And he's not going to stop until his leave is over.

It is lying Lion Axe who keeps lying.

Jack Boot is a Zionist. Lion Axe tries to deny it.

As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts.

Jack Boot is a Zionist. There is no way Lion Axe or Donnie can refute this.



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You all need to understand that both black and duke were willing to sell out the confidental information they had on their fellow Klansmen. This was over 30 years ago. Duke was known back then to the Klan as a con merchant and his friend don black was no better. Why do you think the admin on SF is not allowed to be questioned. Those are the people jack boot takes his orders from. Both black and duke have not worked a real job in DECADES,both living off donations they have scammed from people who think that they represent White Nationalism. Everyone on SF carries on about duke being such a great spokesman for WN,lol,last time I looked at the map,Iran was not part of Europe,so what was he doing there? Instead of just focusing on that idiot jack boot,we should also focus on the real truth behind the lies we have been told about what great blokes black and duke are. Think about it seriously,what have either really done for the survival of our race. How much money has duke wasted on his gambling habit? Your money,money taken from sustaining members of SF. This goes much deeper than just Jack Boot. Look at who controls boots. The real corruption of the admin of SF would stun people if they realised the truth about duke and black.

Don't donate. Problem solved.
Duke was elected into the position of Louisiana State Representative, which to date is the highest office an open WN'ist has been elected. He's written a book unmasking the Jews as the vicious lying scum that they are and represented the US at the Holocaust Hoax conference in Iran. His mere presence there was an endorsement of the viewpoint that the Holocaust™ is just one more evil jewish scam.

He uses his real name, unlike you. Until you can outdo his contributions and achievements, you're nothing but the peanut gallery.

Lion axe are you trying to deny that boots said he defends israel. If so then your shit outa luck as we have all seen the post were little jackie defends israel and stands up for them. Your eunach friend boots defended israel. israel is the enemy

http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1200017&postcount=331
Are you also purposely misunderstanding Jack's point? Because if not I don't understand why you're hung up on semantics when Jack clearly referred to the very respectable and dominative qualities that WN's aspire for themselves. He's not defending Israel's use of them toward us, but objectively acknowledges the noted strengths as qualities anyone but a fool would love for their nation/group to have.

He does this kind of thing routinely, post almost with a manic need to repeat/spam the same lines over and over when he's effectively argued with.


Lot of that going around these days.

It's Celtic Patriot, he and his sock-puppet accounts got banned more times by John Law (rip) than I can count. He does this kind of thing routinely, post almost with a manic need to repeat/spam the same lines over and over when he's effectively argued with. And he's not going to stop until his leave is over. I aint anyones bitch or sock puppet but I agree with Celtic Patriot. Boots got rid of people that disagreed with SF policy on 9/11. SF has become a place where WN get censored for speaking their mind.

Hey ... GREAT NEWS! I've finally been taken off moderation at StormFart. My account now has been OFFICIALLY, and totally, DE-ACTIVATED. Apparently, as alluded to below, Hell has frozen over. :D

DICARLO has made it clear that he hates our guts.

That doesn't mean he's a bad apple. In my opinion he's a good, tough, smart White Nationalist and, most importantly, uncompromising in his loyalty to our Volk and our Cause.

That being said, we still have a house to keep in order and we are inclined to keep an eye on anyone who is inclined, in turn, to crap all over us. I don't know what kind of reaction I'd expect if I used DICARLO's forum and called him a jerkoff and an asshole. Maybe he'd like that. We don't.

Call me cranky.

Now, it's not all personal. As much as I dislike seeing my colleagues insulted and being insulted myself, I might let it go anyway, but considering so many of his posts are rude, crude, and socially unacceptable, despite repeated cautions, I'd have to say I don't really care if his account is moderated - in fact, so much the better.

We have plenty of people making the same points and carrying the same arguments and sharing the same insights as DICARLO does. And without biting my staff members in the ass. Let me tell you the first clue to running a tight ship - I look out for the crew. I don't expect them to eat ****. I expect them to shovel ****, yeah - but not eat it.

I hope that's clear, DICARLO, and you should know better than to come complaining to me. Your account can stay moderated until hell freezes over as far as I'm concerned.
That is all.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t719631-3/#post8279761&postcount#27

Call you cranky? No! Call you FULL OF SHIT!

http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1200017&postcount=331
Are you also purposely misunderstanding Jack's point? Because if not I don't understand why you're hung up on semantics when Jack clearly referred to the very respectable and dominative qualities that WN's aspire for themselves. He's not defending Israel's use of them toward us, but objectively acknowledges the noted strengths as qualities anyone but a fool would love for their nation/group to have.

Lying Axe is trying to say Jack Boot didn't say what he did.

As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts.

Zionists defend Israel. It doesn't matter if it is one count or twenty counts, defending Israel is what defines a Zionist.


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I aint anyones bitch or sock puppet but I agree with Celtic Patriot. Boots got rid of people that disagreed with SF policy on 9/11. SF has become a place where WN get censored for speaking their mind.

Nope, nobody was banned for their beliefs on 9/11. That's just nonsensical and shows the inability the banned truthers have in admitting to how their behaviour was found wanting (as it was little more than polemic flamery and "jew"-bashing anyone who disagreed with them). Those people are not above the rules of the forum, but I'm forced to conclude that was their belief, that just because they entertain the theories they do, it somehow gives the right to behave as nasty as they please.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1200017&postcount=331
Are you also purposely misunderstanding Jack's point? Because if not I don't understand why you're hung up on semantics when Jack clearly referred to the very respectable and dominative qualities that WN's aspire for themselves. He's not defending Israel's use of them toward us, but objectively acknowledges the noted strengths as qualities anyone but a fool would love for their nation/group to have.Are you saying that jack refered to the jews as having qualties that we should also have.

Hmm, the damage certainly fits that of what an airliner would cause. Or are you suggesting that there should be an airplane-shaped hole like in cartoons?

There should be some damage vaguely resembling the shadow of a airliner entering the building in a manner similar to the WTC I and II.

I see unbroken windows to the right and left, well within the the zone of where an airline entry hole should be.

This is one of the mysteries of 9/11 that can't be easily explained.

First because if it was a missile, then who fired it?

Secondly because if it wasn't a plane that hit it, then were did the passengers of flight 77 go?

Nope, nobody was banned for their beliefs on 9/11. That's just nonsensical and shows the inability the banned truthers have in admitting to how their behaviour was found wanting (as it was little more than polemic flamery and "jew"-bashing anyone who disagreed with them). Those people are not above the rules of the forum, but I'm forced to conclude that was their belief, that just because they entertain the theories they do, it somehow gives the right to behave as nasty as they please.

Lion Axe lying again.

Trying to cover up the Jew stink at Stormfront. John Jew Tree, Jack Zionist Pig Boot, et al.

Successionist was banned for sounding like a kook and on top of that insinuating another member, a good member, was "suspect" due to his skepticism concerning Successionist's 9/11 theories.

Turbo Hog, Astragoth, KG Peiper, Catto Fascista, and pnacistreason, pack your bags.



Nowhere did JB say they were banned for accusing a member of being a Jew. Instead JB said they were banned for their views, which JB saw as kooky because they blamed Israel and the Mossad for 9/11.

Jack Boot said he was a Zionist.


As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts.


A Zionist is anybody who supports Israel for any count whatsoever. So Jack Boot was abiding by his Zionist masters.

This will be made known.



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Are you saying that jack refered to the jews as having qualties that we should also have.

Lion Axe and Jack Zionist Pig Boot think we should have qualities like Zionist Jews, qualities like killing Whites.

USS Liberty attack of killing Whites is what Jack Boot and Lion Axe admire.


As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts.

It is all going on the historical record.

Qualities like killing Whites on the USS Liberty.


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Lion Axe and Jack Zionist Pig Boot think we should have qualities like Zionist Jews, qualities like killing Whites.

USS Liberty attack of killing Whites is what Jack Boot and Lion Axe admire.



It is all going on the historical record.

Qualities like killing Whites on the USS Liberty.


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You're mad.

Don't donate. Problem solved.
Duke was elected into the position of Louisiana State Representative, which to date is the highest office an open WN'ist has been elected. He's written a book unmasking the Jews as the vicious lying scum that they are and represented the US at the Holocaust Hoax conference in Iran. His mere presence there was an endorsement of the viewpoint that the Holocaust™ is just one more evil jewish scam.

He uses his real name, unlike you. Until you can outdo his contributions and achievements, you're nothing but the peanut gallery. Couple of points you need to know.1... highest office ever achieved by a WN was Prime Minister of Australia when we had the White Australia Policy. In fact our constitution was written with the White Australia Policy in it. Thats why Australia is still mainly White to this day. Up till 1977,unless you were White,you had trouble getting into the country,hell we didn`t even recognise abos as citizens till the 70`s. point 2.. When I see you post your real name,I`ll think about posting mine.

You're mad.

JB is a Zionist


As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts.



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Nope, nobody was banned for their beliefs on 9/11. That's just nonsensical and shows the inability the banned truthers have in admitting to how their behaviour was found wanting (as it was little more than polemic flamery and "jew"-bashing anyone who disagreed with them). Those people are not above the rules of the forum, but I'm forced to conclude that was their belief, that just because they entertain the theories they do, it somehow gives the right to behave as nasty as they please.

This is a blatant lie, and for someone who puts forth the government's lies on 9/11, relentlessly, I'm not surprised. They were clearly banned for their views on 9/11. So, exposing jews is flaming? Apparently you're in the dark about jews, and need someone to school you. Of course, this idea that the government's lies about 9/11 is the truth in your view, is more proof of where you're coming from, Shitskin.

"As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts. Israel is a racial nationalist state. That is what we want for ourselves. Israel is prepared to wage war to defend it's borders, and that is what we would do. Israel will hunt down and kill their enemies, and that is what we would do.

Israel would never permit raving fools to speak on it's behalf, and neither do we."


At least use the quote in context.

I agree with using the quote in context, however, while I can understand what Jack Thug was trying to say, I still can't agree with him, because I don't support Israhell in anything - NOTHING!

Just because it's a racial state doesn't mean I have to, or should support it, because those fucking kike-bastards are rabidly against any European/White racial state. So fuck them all to hell and beyond! Nothing would please me more than to give those fucking anti-White hypocritical parasites what they're trying to do to White people - annihilation. Either physical annihilation or cultural, racial, and religious annihilation.

This is a blatant lie, and for someone who puts forth the government's lies on 9/11, relentlessly, I'm not surprised. They were clearly banned for their views on 9/11. So, exposing jews is flaming? Apparently you're in the dark about jews, and need someone to school you. Of course, this idea that the government's lies about 9/11 is the truth in your view, is more proof of where you're coming from, Shitskin.

True.

DiCarlo speaks the truth about Lion Axe.

There is more.

Lithuanian Jews who 'Survived the Nazi Tyranny' and are now in: Lithuania, Italy, France, Sweden [1][2].

There is a reason Lion Axe constantly tries to defend Israel, Jews, 9/11.

See references

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References


1. Lithuanian Jews in Sweden
http://www.yivoinstitute.org/index.php?tid=46&aid=105

2. Scandinavian Jews
http://www.jonathan5742.com/Right_Wing_Zionist_Homepage/Scandinavia.htm.

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It's Celtic Patriot, he and his sock-puppet accounts got banned more times by John Law (rip) than I can count. He does this kind of thing routinely, post almost with a manic need to repeat/spam the same lines over and over when he's effectively argued with. And he's not going to stop until his leave is over.

If you shit stains would answer the question, instead of following that ADL handbook laying next to you, you'd be less effective at derailing 9/11 threads, hence your pathetic support of the fucking jews would be less effective.

You both (and your rump-ranger butt buddy George) are zionist appologists beyond any doubt, by your own words/actions and you should be banned from participating on any WN sites.

You're trash under the bellies of maggots, nothing more.

Your purpose here is to destroy White Nationalism.

Internet addiction, egos and white-apathy.

Hey ... GREAT NEWS! I've finally been taken off moderation at StormFart. My account now has been OFFICIALLY INACTIVATED. Apparently, as alluded to below, Hell has frozen over. :D



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Call you cranky? No! Call you FULL OF SHIT!

Congradulations on causing that cum-rag to expose himself even further than he/it already has. Congrats on your freedom from jewish indoctrinated, too.

Internet addiction, egos and white-apathy.

Stop attempting to derail this thread with your jew-fellating suckpoopery. . .you. . .you. . .911 Truth denying denier. I will not allow you!

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Stop attempting to derail this thread with your jew-fellating suckpoopery. . .you. . .you. . .911 Truth denying denier. I will not allow you!


Egos need attention.

Zionists need to identify.


As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts.

Jack Boot is a Zionist. That is why 11 Stormfront veterans were banned. And we are angry.


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Jack Boot is a Zionist. That is why 11 Stormfront veterans were banned. And we are angry.

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Witticism fails with your hand.

Jack Boot identifies as a Zionist.


As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts.

A Zionist is one who defends Israel. You obviously disagree as you are afraid to make any comment on the Jack Boot quote.

It is easy to see who is divided and scared. In time they will feel more comfortable with the truth. Do you deny that Jack Boot defends his Jewish masters in his banning of 11 Stormfront veterans?


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Jack Boot is a Zionist. That is why 11 Stormfront veterans were banned. And we are angry.

"Mommy? Why is that man beating that horse???"



"Why mommy? ......why?"

"Mommy? Why is that man beating that horse???"



"Why mommy? ......why?"

Jack Boot identifies as a Zionist



As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts.

It becomes like a WN trance beat. Ingrained into the consciousness of WN.

Jack Boot and John Jew Tree have been suspect for years. In fact the whole SF operation has been suspect since Operation Red Dog in which Don Black risked his life to put a Negro into power.



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The things we have proved on this thread (and the one above) are:
1) Jack Boot is a traitor to WNism.
2) Stormfront is a phony WN site, whose primary purpose is to cover the jews crimes.
3) The government is manipulating flight manifests and lying to the public.
4) There was no tactical response to the so-called hijacked planes and there is absolutely no valid reason for it.
5) The "plane" which hit the Pentagon was in fact a missle.
6) There are jewish/zionist trolls here.
7) Donnie, George and Shitskin are trolls, that have exposed themselves.
8) The WTC was not brought down by fire.
9) Jews committed the 9/11 crimes in criminal conspiracy with members of the U.S. government and possibly others.
10) There exists, in furtherance of the conspiracy, a cover-up of massive proportions.

Please feel free to add any other substantive elements.

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It becomes like a WN trance beat.

You're pretty hip with it, for an old dude.

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In fact the whole SF operation has been suspect since Operation Red Dog in which Don Black risked his life to put a Negro into power.



. It becomes even more suspect when you realise he was still a Klansman at the time.

You're pretty hip with it, for an old dude.

You're the old dude.

Jack Boot remains the Zionist.


As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts.

A Zionist is one who defends Israel. Page after page, you can't seem to bury it.



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The following statement that "Jack Boot" made is not a statement that a WN would make:

"As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts. Israel is a racial nationalist state. That is what we want for ourselves. Israel is prepared to wage war to defend it's borders, and that is what we would do. Israel will hunt down and kill their enemies, and that is what we would do.

Israel would never permit raving fools to speak on it's behalf, and neither do we."

Firstly, any self-professing WN who knows anything about the relevant subject matter, knows that the Jewish colonial project for which we are all being sacrificed, "Israel", is a geopolitical crime in progress.

Bluntly stated, that "land of milk and honey" paid for with money stolen from U.S. taxpayers on land stolen from the Palestinians, "Israel", happens to be the geopolitical penis with which Jewry fucks the whole world.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but a real WN does not "defend", in any sense, one of the main instruments that the enemy is using to destroy him, does he?

But that's not the only give-away with that statement, there's more. What "borders" is "Jack Boot" he referring to? Has "Israel" ever defined its borders? No.

How can "Israel" defend borders that have not been specified? It can't, that's how. His statement is an implication that he believes in the Jews' right to kill people en masse and steal their land.

And what, exactly, are "Israel's enemies"? Why, they're the victims being genocidally ethnically cleansed from their own land. They're the people who demand the same human and political rights that the Jews demand for themselves. They're anybody and everybody who stands in the way of the Jews' quest for complete world domination, that's who Israel's enemies are. And that includes WN.

So what we have here is "Jack Boot" stating his approval of fundamental Jewish treachery.

Conclusion: "Jack Boot" is either a Jew or a traitorous Jew supporter.

Israel Is Illegitimate

For my contribution to the De-legitimizing Israel series, I’m going to confine myself to one question and answer.

The question is: How can you de-legitimize something (in this case the Zionist state) when it is NOT legitimate?

Leaving aside the fairy story of God’s promise, (which even if true would have no bearing on the matter because the Jews who “returned” in answer to Zionism’s call had no biological connection to the ancient Hebrews), the Zionist state’s assertion of legitimacy rests on the Balfour Declaration of 1917 and the UN General Assembly’s partition plan resolution of 1947.

The only real relevance of the Balfour Declaration is in the fact that it was an expression of both the willingness of a British government to use Jews for imperial purposes and the willingness of Zionist Jews to be used. The truth is that Britain had no right whatsoever to promise Zionism a place in Palestine, territory the British donot possess. (Palestine at the time was controlled and effectively owned by Ottoman Turkey). The Balfour Declaration did allow Zionism to say that its claim to Palestine had been recognised by a major power, and then to assert that the Zionist enterprise was therefore a legitimate one. But the legitimacy Britain conveyed by implication was entirely spurious, meaning not genuine, false, a sham.

Zionism’s assertion that Israel was given its birth certificate and thus legitimacy by the UN General Assembly partition resolution of 29 November 1947 is pure propaganda nonsense, as demonstrated by an honest examination of the record of what actually happened.

In the first place the UN without the consent of the majority of the people of Palestine did not have the right to decide to partition Palestine or assign any part of its territory to a minority of alien immigrants in order for them to establish a state of their own.

Despite that, by the narrowest of margins, and only after a rigged vote, the UN General Assembly did pass a resolution to partition Palestine and create two states, one Arab, one Jewish, with Jerusalem not part of either. But the General Assembly resolution was only a non-binding proposal - meaning that it could have no effect, would not become binding, until and unless it was approved by the Security Council.

The truth is that the General Assembly’s partition proposal never went to the Security Council for consideration. Why not? Because the US knew that, if approved, and because of Arab and other Muslim opposition, it could only be implemented by force; and President Truman was not prepared to use force to partition Palestine.

So the partition plan was vitiated (became invalid) and the question of what the hell to do about Palestine - after Britain had made a mess of it and walked away - was taken back to the General Assembly for more discussion. The option favoured and proposed by the US was temporary UN Trusteeship. It was while the General Assembly was debating what do that Israel unilaterally declared itself to be in existence - actually in defiance of the will of the organised international community, including the Truman administration.

The truth of the time was that Israel, which came into being mainly as a consequence of Zionist terrorism and pre-planned ethnic cleansing, had no right to exist and, more to the point, could have no right to exist unless ….. Unless it was recognised and legitimized by those who were dispossessed of their land and their rights during the creation of the Zionist state. In international law only the Palestinians could give Israel the legitimacy it craved.

As it was put to me many years ago by Khalad al-Hassan, Fatah’s intellectual giant on the right, that legitimacy was “the only thing the Zionists could not take from us by force.”

The truth of history as summarised briefly above is the explanation of why, really, Zionism has always insisted that its absolute pre-condition for negotiations with more than a snowball’s chance in hell of a successful outcome (an acceptable measure of justice for the Palestinians and peace for all) is recognition of Israel’s right to exist. A right, it knows, it does not have and will never have unless the Palestinians grant it.

It can be said without fear of contradiction (except by Zionists) that what de-legitimizes Israel is the truth of history. And that is why Zionism has worked so hard, today with less success than in the past and therefore with increasing desperation, to have the truth suppressed.

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Hmm, the damage certainly fits that of what an airliner would cause. Or are you suggesting that there should be an airplane-shaped hole like in cartoons?

I like your sense of humor.

Like I said before this post, someone's gotta cleanse this joke of a movement. No one is certainly doing anything about that now, and as far back as I can remember not even Dr. Pierce or Matt Hale looked into the issue extensively.

I believe that is priority #1.

This post shows the Stormfront affliction. A bunch of people typing stuff online is not a movement, and the idea it can be cleansed is pure video-game.

There is a world of difference between a political movement of flesh bodies in the real world and a bunch anonyms typing stuff online. The real-world group needs as careful a vetting of members as possible; online cleansing doesn't mean anything, all that matters is the rules set up by the admins are followed.

Ok,I want you all to be completely honest. How many of you have actually seen thermite in action?,how many of you have ever used a thermal lance,or thermite cutter?(there is a difference by the way). How many of you know exactly how explosives really work? How many of you have ever played with petrol bombs?...The reason I am asking is that,most people have no knowledge of these things,which makes it easier for the govt to come up with a story that people will accept. Remember that we have been conditioned to accept whatever the govt tells us as being true. Most people have never tried to cut through hardened steel in their life,and have no understanding of how thermal lances,or plasma cutters or even an oxy torch really works. To cut through steel reinforced concrete is very difficult,unless you have the right tools. You need to know that concrete is a poor conducter of heat. We have all seen footage of high rise towers that were on fire for hours yet they never collapsed..WHY? the steel reinforcment held them up. The jet fuel from the planes could never have caused the heat needed to collapse the buildings without also setting fire to every building around it. Most of the fuel was burnt up in big fireballs outside the buildings. Yes it makes for great footage but does not explain the heat source required inside the buildings needed to disable the steel structure. The govt relyed on peoples ignorance to get away with the bullshit it used to explain the towers coming down

Good post. I have no experience with anything steel-related. It's good to hear from someone who has.

My gut feeling as a layman is trust my eyes unless I see something miles ahead on a flat road in the hot desert.

What my gut tells me is:

1) the vast majority of the gas left in the plane burned up in the fireball
2) whatever was left wasn't much, and had little fuel in the plastic/metal/open space that is most offices
3) the way the buildings fell is ridiculously perfect
4) if the steel was hot enough to soften or melt due to airplane-caused fire, which i dont believe for a minute, then melted steel would have created something out of a dali painting, and caused a slow, irregular fall, neither of which happened.
5) there is no way the incredible pulverization of the towers could have been caused by even a much larger fire

In conclusion, there is no reason to believe the WTC demolitions were anything but what they appear to be.

In conclusion, there is no reason to believe the WTC demolitions were anything but what they appear to be.
It depends, I suppose, on what you want to believe; the OVE or your own lying eyes.

Practically speaking, Jews seem to see the world as being comprised of two basic classes of people: victims, and victimizers. Being the calculating monsters they are, their scheming, predatory nature compels them to be victimizers while pretending to be the victims.

In light of this, are they really "paranoid", or are they just reacting to their victims' righteous anger? Or is it, at least in part, a manifestation of the said twisted perpetual-victimhood-cultural-psychology?

It's both. They are paranoid more frequently than non-jews. Paranoid meaning seeing things that aren't there. Of course, they have every reason to look for those things because...they know what they've done!

But yes, I think the most pronounced thing about them, and the way in which they most differ from whites, is that they are much more aggressive and hateful and obsessed with being center stage, winning all arguments, and casting about eternally to find any slightest whiff of disagreement. They are like bloodhounds for sniffing out anything opposed to their agenda. More often than not, they realize a person is anti-jew before the person does himself. Because he, in his White innocence, is merely using his brain, using his brain correctly, to puzzle out associations between things, ideas and observations. The jew knows where this leads, and he will be shrieking at the innocent goy the minute he even thinks about existing the 'mainstream' turnpike.

I've long suspect the true origin of the jews was in some genetic outlying clan, that was notable even among generally shifty desert-bazzar-folk for its paranoid hostility and aggressiveness. Somehow these developed a successful code, and from it arose a culture. That's how I think jews actually began. It's not provable, but I think it's likelier than any other explanation.


In any case, I agree about their propensity to build worlds out of minutiae, and their political mania.

It's difficult to be objective about sub-human filth whose only purpose seems to be to destroy the world, isn't it?

We don't have to be objective, just get our facts right. The most difficult obstacle we face is getting our people even to take a straight look at the jews. Even with millennia of abuse at the hands of jews, are people hardly take notice of them, for good or bad.

No matter where you go within the so-called movement you find the promiscuous mixing of WN with conservatives and out-and-out jew-tools. But nobody ever makes an issue of this. Yet it is all-important.

Actualy I know thermite was used,just by seeing photos of the remains left afterwards. As I said earlier,I have used thermite in metal cutting and I know the evidence that is left behind after you use it. Your the one who suggested a plane full of it was flown into the towers. I know from experience that thermite must have been placed directly on the steel reinforcing to cut the steel. Thermite leaves residue. Thats why all the remains of the towers were quickly dismantled and taken away to be disposed of as scrap,so that people would not ask questions. Dont you think its weird that the remains of the towers were taken away instead of being collected as forensic evidence?

Since you have experience with steel, what is your best guess at how the WTC towers were brought down? (If you've stated your opinion, I missed it, this is a long thread.)

Is it to much to ask that we have a 9/11 thread not filled with jew trolls?
Oh yes to all the ZOGbots out there explain WTC7.
To Alex Linder I wasn't terribly impressed with this place when I got here
but I'll be honest. You'll actually allow a real debate unlike Jamie Kelso's
forum and you've done more real world activism than SF ever has.
Thanks for your efforts.

BTW - Varge? Mr. Linder? It is forbidden to call people "Jews" on this site,

It's forbidden if they're not jews. If they are jews, they should be called jews. Whether or not someone is a jew is an objective question, once you accept a definition. Our is if it's good enough to be a jew as judged by Israel/NS Germany, then it's ok to call it a jew. If not, then it's not a jew. The point of the rule is to stop people from using jew as an epithet. If we don't have the rule, we'll have a lot of dummies calling everyone they disagree with a jew, and that CHEAPENS the charge, which should be taken as seriously as a claim of rape or murder.

I'll say in passing, you guys from SF still labor under its cloud. You post like you're going to get your head cut off. That's not how we do it here. All we want here is refraining from lying about very important things, and the rule against calling non-jews jews falls under that. Other than that, speak as you see fit.

All people do when they call Jack Boot a jew is show they're tone deaf. Yes, he is repeating stuff one hears from neocons, but not because he is a jew. There are many strong indicators his style, and Donnie's style, that to anyone with an ear would make them think they were not jews, regardless of the argument they were pushing. Neither Donnie nor Jack Boot sounds like a jew. Doesn't mean they're not wrong. The only thing you do when you call non-jews jews, or say they sound like jews, is impress the observer with your inability to discern between jews and other types - christian zionist idiots, patriotards, neocons, traditional conservatives, Fox fans, etc.

Boot's, and SF's general, concern with appearances is far from jewish, it's standard middle class, and to the extent it is harped on, it is lower than that.

"The world is watching us." Um, no, it isn't.

"We must not swear." Um, but the people running things swear all the time.

"We will turn people away with our foul language, racial slurs." What people? The same ones who use white trash and redneck and Eurotrash and raghead around the clock?

Then there's the historical: Whites were freest and had the most power when racial slurs were common. Ever think there's a connection there? Maybe you ought to consider whether there's some relation, because there is. It is the unquestioned assumption than you're going to raise resistance to the controllers by using the language they've used to oppress you? By following their taboos? and their laws? That's what your arguments amount to.


so I am wondering if it might also be forbidden to call WHITE NATIONALISTS "scum"? I am not suggesting that either of you are knowingly enforcing an alarming double standard here, just that it appears to be an oversight on your part.

Nothing wrong with any epithet. All that is forbidden is the direct assertion that X is a jew, if you have no proof of it. And your opinion is not proof. You can say x is like a jew, or says the things jews do, or in your opinion is a jew, just not the bald assertion unbacked by evidence. Other than that, attacks in any form are fine. I mean, there are libels that I can't tolerate for legal reasons (ie, calling someone a murderer, rapist, or pedophile), but in the realm of general epithets and slurs, I have no problem with anything.

Since you have experience with steel, what is your best guess at how the WTC towers were brought down? (If you've stated your opinion, I missed it, this is a long thread.)

You didn't ask me, but I have some level of experience in this field too. I was, by training and trade, a civil/structural designer for 15 years.

To my mind, there is no question about it having been a controlled demolition, for several reasons.

The first law of physics: (also called the law of inertia)
A stationary object will remain stationary unless acted upon by a force, and an object in motion will remain in motion, in the same direction at the same speed unless acted upon by a dissimilar force.

When you review the videos of the towers beginning to collapse, the top moves away and topples as a unit. Then, in mid-air, it turns to dust. That is impossible.

The path of greatest resistance to collapse is straight down, through the UNHEATED structural skeleton of the buildings. Even if the building collapsed down on itself, common sense tells us that the precise symetrical loading of the subsequent levels is impossible to achieve in a random collapse.

Since asymetrical (uneven) loading of the lower floors is impossible to escape, then the super structure would absolutely have had to slide from the resistant side to the weaker side, causing an asymetrical collapse. What happened was not possible with the skeleton of the buildings intact. They had to have been blown apart, so that they became a part of the collapse rather than resistant to it.

There is not one rational explanation, consistant with the laws of physics, that explain the collapses, except explosives.

Not only does Jackboot support Israel,

"As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts. Israel is a racial nationalist state. That is what we want for ourselves. Israel is prepared to wage war to defend it's borders, and that is what we would do. Israel will hunt down and kill their enemies, and that is what we would do.

Israel would never permit raving fools to speak on it's behalf, and neither do we."
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He shows his Zionist contempt for the Germans latter on in the thread, his kosher roots are really showing. And we now have have his Zionist buddies from kosherfront over here supporting him. At least all the heeb trolls on VNN have shown their hand in this thread, (pretty easy to out them).


Joachim Peiper was the SS officer who slaughtered his American POWs at Malmedy. Boys, most of them.

I've always hated his guts.

Peiper should have hung, but he lived a full life and retired in France.

So many German officers were framed and hung, but this one who actually deserved the gallows, he was off the hook. Jack-jewboot
(Fucking jews).

I wasn't at Malemedy so I don't know what happened there , but maybe the SS thought they captured a kike unit:D.

But Peiper was not at Malemedy at the time of the incident. And, notice another Jack-Jewboot lie, Peiper was murdered by communists in France after the war defending his home after he sent his wife back to Germany because of jew threats to their residence.

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Now I am not trying to portray myself as being "lazy", because I damn sure put as much effort into this as anyone, but I don't sit around thinking about the right approach to take, while planning my every word. HOWEVER, it just makes sense to communicate our points to people in a manner that they are most likely to receive the message. Actually, it would be foolish and self defeating to take any other angle.

Agreed. The same message can be adapted to any audience, from a five-year-old, to a physics PhD.


IF I were at a rally speaking to the choir, then I would speak in a slightly different tone than if I were at a Tea Party trying to break down barriers and get through to people on a BASIC level.

Agreed. The old Jesuit strategy applies - meet the people where they are, and draw them back to the right path.


For instance, I spoke at a Vietnam Veterans meeting that I was invited to speak at not too long ago. The gentleman who invited me knew the facts, but the actual audience was all but clueless. Well, I put on a suit and tie and I did my best not to turn them away before getting them genuinely interested in the things I had to say....but I damn sure didn't hold back on the emotions when I got to speaking to them about the USS Liberty, Project SHAD and other topics that these military men certainly had an interest in hearing about. In other words, the emotion was genuine, but timely. Ever see my video on the USS Liberty? I certainly didn't hold back on the emotions when I recorded that (or even the curse words). But if I stepped up to the podium and screamed out with my first words "these motherfucking Kike bastards need to be expelled" (even though I have coined the phrase "110, then NEVER AGAIN" and I am unwilling to compromise on that ultimate agenda), then the only people in the audience who would have continued listening would have been the very few who were already Jew-Wise. The rest would have instantly tuned me out.


Agreed. But this is merely common sense.


However, one thing I NEVER do is pander to their expectations or compromise on the truth. You'll never hear me pulling up short and referring to Jews as "them", "they", "Zionists", "Israeli's", etc... I shoot straight at ALL times. No one in their right mind could ever suggest that I am giving ANY less than the full truth or that I am "afraid" to tell it like it is.

But would "Jane Doe" consider anything I told her IF I were screaming "Kike" this and "Nigger" that? Probably not. So I am not going to waste my time OR push her further away from that truth by alienating her with a poor choice of words.

This is where I don't agree. First, why do you have to scream? You don't. You can simply use those slurs. Without screaming. Like Mencken or Revilo Oliver did. Or any White man in the country in the first half of the last century. It is simply a measure of your class background that you associate slurs with screaming.

Second, you're misidentifying what actually bothers John/Jane Doe. It's not the use of slurs, it's that your position is known to be socially disreputable. She's worried that you will damage her social status. John Doe has no problem using ACCEPTABLE slurs - for whites, for Muslims. He is only "bothered" by slurs against officially exalted groups. And we know from surveys that his behavior is likely to be what the jew-left would call racist. To the extent he can act 'racist' privately and legally, John Doe, your average white guy, usually does. Certainly, more often than not, he moves to a whiter neighborhood, and he lives, works, marries, and breeds with people like himself.

People like John Doe are not where revolutionary change come from. And this is my main point. For reaching out, you need what Rockwell said - an offering for the semi-literate farmer as well as the French diplomat.

But we should be getting past that stage, to where that reaching out, in all formats, to all tastes, is running like an indoor heating system, as part of the infrastructure.

The need now, and the difficult problem, is to build a political change group. Such efforts as there are, are merely ordinary democratic conservatism, with no hope for making real change. And these are the ones reasonably described as obsessed with appearances, manners, propriety -- how we look to others.

My argument is we need revolutionary change, and that might as well start with our language. We build a new world, virtually, online, as a precursor to something in the real world. Of course it would be great if we could do both simultaneously, but I can't even persuade people to exclude those who favor jews over whites from our movement. They're just thoughtlessly lumped in.

WN must at all costs POLARIZE the country between jews and Whites. That is the #1 political task. Talking in the same terms everyone else does doesn't help that. What you don't realize is that precisely what John Doe needs to hear is "nigger." He will never join our movement until it appears to be at least as likely to triumph as be crushed, but the mere use of a term like 'nigger' at least shows him an entirely different conception of things than he's accustomed to. He will reject it? Sure. But he'll be aware of it. It's not like he's going to be brought around by your argument and sign up to join your side. That will only come when you're winning, and the only kind of people who can actually create a winning team out of a matrix of losers are those not scared off by such terms. So it those people we should be concerned about, the nucleus of the white change organ.

Anything short of that is simply conservatism. It's focused on me-tooing the Republicans, tv talk show heads, and bookselling writers. And the larger sites like Free Republic. Having a different "take" from the mainstream but using their terms and frames, and discussing their issues - that is conservatism, no matter what it calls itself. It always loses.

The goal must be to create a true alternative. A different world, with different values, filled with different people. The best way to create that world is to start with the terms we use, and what could more radically differentiate what Whites have to offer than taking the holiest of holies, the taboo of all taboos, and stomping it into the mud. Giving it the good ol' jew treatment - treating their scared cows the way they treat everything we respect. That's how we polarize, and show our strength, and attract the minority among our race with anything to offer. If we can't even do it verbally, how will we ever do it physically. Or maybe your unquestioned, unrealized assumption that if we're just polite enough, we'll attract enough people to vote our number into power and change things to our liking is correct. I don't think so.

WN should begin by deciding whether it simply a middle-class vote-getting option, in which case it should act like the other useless parties, or it should choose to be something radical, in which it must follow an entirely different strategy with attendant rules.

Right now, there is no movement, there is just haze.


The more often "Jane Doe" hears people screaming out "nigger" and "kike", the less likely she will be to consider the FACTS at any time in the future.

Evidence? This is merely your opinion. You grant far too high an importance to what Jane or Joe Middle Class American thinks. What they think is not actually a thought, but twin fear and status tropisms. If you are on top, you can get them to do whatever you want. The terms you use have little to do with it. If you're the outgroup, publicly seen to be evil and bad, no argument you make will have effect. And even if you do persuade some people intellectually, so what? They're not going to do anything because there's too much danger. Change doesn't come from middle class people, and talk of attracting them or persuading them as though WN were just another party-political option is beside the point.

The concern is not to persuade people, it's to build up a power than can defeat the jews. Once you have that, you have the mass media and the enforcement mechanism and your disposal. And whatever those say today is what the Janes and Joes repeat tomorrow. It truly is that simple. Most people are not motivated by logical, intellectual conclusions, they are motivated by animal tropisms such as obtaining food, satisfying sexual desire, and even more than these, avoiding situations that produce fear. it is safe to be a democrat. It is safe to be a Republican. It is not safe to be White. That's how these people think, but it isn't thinking at all, it's in the marrow and heart, not in the brain. If being right mattered, we would have won a long time ago, because better men than we puzzled this all out long ago.


So in that way, we would be falling right into the hands of the Jew by playing along. Sure, it might seem like an act of "defiance", but in the end we only hurt our own cause by making that (relatively) pointless "stand" against them. Let's get enough Jane and John Doe's on our side 1st, THEN we can tell them to take their words and shove them right up their Kosher asses. In the meantime, our priority should be to use language effectively to get the FACTS across to OUR people, not so much to make a statement to our enemy.

I don't agree. I believe what GLRockwell said, which is theopposite of what you're saying: trying to use facts and reasons with the mass of people is the eternal stumbling block of the right. You wouldn't call yourself conservative, or what you're doing a conservative strategy, but it is. And it can't work. Gaining a lot of page views is easy. But that is merely a measure of the quality of entertainment, one provides, not a measure of genuine willingness to come together to produce the change we need.


So no, I don't fault Mr. Linder or ANYONE else who takes the APPROPRIATE approach for their particular audience. But there is certainly no "proof" to offer that would even suggest that the average person desires a loud mouthed messenger that they will only perceive as being angry and "hateful". That WOULD be counterproductive to THAT particular audience. Does anyone disagree with that basic point?

Are they turned off by Glenn Beck or Michael Savage screaming about black beasts and Muslim terrorists? No. So there must be some other factor at work. The one I mentioned above. It's WHO is being slurred, not the slurring or cursing itself, that bothers them, since they know the powers that be have made a certain set of slurs acceptable and another set taboo.


Again, this is not a "Scott Roberts v's Alex Linder debate". It's simply a matter of taking the right approach in our attempts to reach out to specific audiences.


No, it's considerably deeper than that. It's not a matter of reaching audiences at all.

Look, there are 100 different quality websites/forums/video collections/essays out there to persuade anyone of the factual correctness of our arguments. He can have it in whichever form appeals to him. VNN was always, per Rockwell, multilevel, with crude cartoons up to PhD-written essays. What made it more attractive, and drew a higher alexa rating than any other 1-man site was its humor, which was not merely incorrect, but often filthy. The idea that people are bothered by slurs is simply false. Commonly held, but absolutely false.


Now if he believes I am too "soft" or that we should take his suggested approach at ALL times, then that's another story.

It's not a matter of hard or soft; that you think it is shows you don't grasp what's actually going on. You're thinking on one level, but not the right level.

Let's say you reach 1000 people. You persuade, say, 100 of them. What does that mean? If you're SF or some other group it means they will keep coming back for the wisdom and entertainment, and hopefully write you subsidy checks. Ok, that's fine.

What does it mean in terms of real political change?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

And over time, becoming addicted to the numbers game (numbers of readers and incoming checks), keeping and cultivating that market becomes the be-all. And so you begin to airstream debate, to shrink from what you might have said before you had an audience. Just to make sure you don't offend anybody, or drive them away. That would reduce your income. In any democratic system, the more you offend, the more votes you lose. So you learn to lie and camouflage and conceal. Most in WN see this as the way to go. I don't. I think we ought to offer what the democratic system does not.

Where's the White change in the just-another-party-appealing-for-votes approach?

Nowhere. It's just a version of what the Republican party or Free Republic does. A way to make money for the owner-operators, but do nothing to produce the change we need.

For that there must be agreement on who we are, and what we want. We don't have that yet. Using slurs and coinages is a better way to produce that type than any I know of.

Can our cause be reduced to a party-political position? Or is it a life-and-death matter concerning the context in which our kind will live?

If you answer yes to the former, than a focus on appearances an manners might, i say MIGHT, make sense. But only if you believe you can achieve your end goal as one of a number of players within the established System.

If you want something radically different, then using the agreed on set of taboos and cliches, the ones promulgated by the jew masters, accustoming us to them through inevitable and ceaseless repetition through all official, institutional and quasi-official outlets - is crazy.


However, I do care if they "demonize" me as a "racist". Why? Because OUR people have been programmed to IGNORE anyone who they perceive to be a "racist".

Once we have secured our FREEDOM and our future, then I wouldn't give a damn what any of them think about me (or any of us). They could call me every silly little name in the book, from the OUTSIDE. But for now, we would be playing right into their hands if we acted out in the EXACT same manner that OUR people have been relentlessly programmed to reject (they do so subconsciously, so we need a way around/in).

Yeah, this is the old partyline dogma, and it's wrong. You're worried about being called names. So you're going to bring them over to racism without their realizing you're racist. That will never work. They're not as dumb as you think, and their opposition to you comes from different sources than you realize. Plenty of them don't have to be persuaded that racism is right, we know that from their behavior. Their opposition to you springs out of fear, physical and status, and they won't change until they have a reason to get past that fear, either dire circumstances, such as a social breakdown, or because you have something so wildly attractive they just have to have it. Which is not what the factualists have on tap. There is no word string you can devise, no truther video you can make, that will outweigh the impression made by the niggers in the Denny's video. This stuff is exactly analogous to animals fighting over mating rights, with the masses being the female to be fucked by the winner. The female attitude, and I had one say this to me in exactly these words, and it caused an epiphany, is "if you were right, you'd be running things." This was a high-IQ female too, not even an average or dumb one, a very high-IQ female. It really is that simple. Authority is right because it's authority.

Why do you think people signed up with the Nazis? Because Hitler had good arguments?

Or because they believed, based on his proven record, and something they saw in his eyes, that he would lay down his last atom to back his breath with his body, and they knew that Germany needed some very, very serious change.

If you think about that, you can probably figure it out.

That is the difference. This stuff on the internet is silly word games. If we don't have a physical way to resist, in some form, and ultimately in all forms, the enemy, then we have nothing. This stuff is very far from a matter of persuading people or attracting them in the sense that term is usually used. The fact is, and you say you care about facts: most White people ARE RACISTS ALREADY. So they DONT NEED TO BE PERSUADED. What they need is leadership. And typing -- mine, yours, or David Duke's -- or making videos is not leadership.

'The movement,' if it can do nothing else, at least ought to see itself for what it is today, at this moment. And it is...a bunch of online personages, mostly anonymous, enjoying political-flavored entertainment, or using politics as a way to sell books or in some other way bring in money. That's all. Perhaps something more can be made of it, but we haven't seen anyone able to do that yet. It would make sense to look at how other people in analogous situations spoke and behaved.

Annology about the collapses:

First a short lesson. The two terms you need to understand are compression and moment. Compression is downward force centered directly on the center of a support member. Moment is latteral force (to be withstood) by a structural member.

i.e. If you have a steel column standing straight up, the force necessary to crush it is tremendous, but the force required to push it over is only a fraction of that.

If you have two pieces of steel, one atop the other, the moment location is where they are joined or at the ground.

Now, imagine a four legged stool with legs which are precisely plumb. You want to test the bearing capacity of the stool with disk weights similar to those for body building.

You start loading the top of the stool with the weights. When you get to the eighth 50# weight, the stool collapses. Does it collapse straight down? Or, does it slide to one side because one or more legs gave out before the others? Steel acts the same way.

Now, for demonstration purposes, we are going to stack 110 stools atop one another. When the weakest leg(s) give under the weight, do you think the weights will end up between the feet of the bottom stool? Not a chance in hell of that happening. Try it again, with the feet of each subsequent stool firmly married to the stool below it, all the way up.

Get the picture?

Are you saying that jack refered to the jews as having qualties that we should also have.

Seriously, how many times do you need to have it explained? Israel certainly exhibits some qualities that any WN-nation would love to have themselves, and that is what Jack pointed out.
There's a difference between acknowledging attributes that your enemy has, which you'd personally like to strive for as well, and with considering that enemy to not be an enemy. I'm sure you're intelligent enough to comprehend that difference and I can't personally understand why you're not getting what Jack stated. You may think that it was improperly phrased, that's all well and good, but that's a reservation on the basis of semantics, not actual content and given meaning.

Flip-flop Fred in his own words:





You truther scum are all jokes. You contradict yourselves at every turn. The reason no one listens to you is you are fucking incoherent.

Ever heard of context you fucking shit? Isn't CONTEXT the very fucking complaint that was given earlier in regards to the Jack Boot quote?
And who the fuck are you calling "truther scum" you shit? What the fuck is that even supposed to mean? That's an insult that's on par with "racist", go fuck yourself with your jewish insults and your fucking defense of the ZOG version of 9/11.

Annology about the collapses:

First a short lesson. The two terms you need to understand are compression and moment. Compression is downward force centered directly on the center of a support member. Moment is latteral force (to be withstood) by a structural member.

i.e. If you have a steel column standing straight up, the force necessary to crush it is tremendous, but the force required to push it over is only a fraction of that.

If you have two pieces of steel, one atop the other, the moment location is where they are joined or at the ground.

Now, imagine a four legged stool with legs which are precisely plumb. You want to test the bearing capacity of the stool with disk weights similar to those for body building.

You start loading the top of the stool with the weights. When you get to the eighth 50# weight, the stool collapses. Does it collapse straight down? Or, does it slide to one side because one or more legs gave out before the others? Steel acts the same way.

Now, for demonstration purposes, we are going to stack 110 stools atop one another. When the weakest leg(s) give under the weight, do you think the weights will end up between the feet of the bottom stool? Not a chance in hell of that happening. Try it again, with the feet of each subsequent stool firmly married to the stool below it, all the way up.

Get the picture?

Oh boy, someone trying to talk about physics without knowing anything about scale.

Here's a note on why scale models are problematic in this context, by David Rogers (physicist):
Right, time for a tutorial on scaling. Let's make a 10% sized model of WTC2. It will have columns 10% of the stiffness (scales as area divided by length), but wind forces will be only 1% of the real ones because wind resistance scales with area. The weight will be only 0.1% of the real one (scales with volume). The fracture energy per floor will be 1% of the real one (scales with column area), but the gravitational potential energy (scales as volume multiplied by height) will be 0.01% of the real one. So energetically a 10% scale model will have a ratio of potential energy to fracture energy - the ratio that determines whether or not it will collapse - 100 times less than the real building. So it won't collapse. Now if we weaken the columns by a factor of 100, it will collapse - but this test is discredited by the truth movement, because we have "tweaked the model to ensure collapse".

Summary: Scale models behave nothing like the real thing. If you won't believe it till you see a scale model collapse, then you won't believe it. Even though it's true.

Seriously, how many times do you need to have it explained? Israel certainly exhibits some qualities that any WN-nation would love to have themselves, and that is what Jack pointed out.
There's a difference between acknowledging attributes that your enemy has, which you'd personally like to strive for as well, and with considering that enemy to not be an enemy. I'm sure you're intelligent enough to comprehend that difference and I can't personally understand why you're not getting what Jack stated. You may think that it was improperly phrased, that's all well and good, but that's a reservation on the basis of semantics, not actual content and given meaning.

The problem with Boot's words is that he didn't also mention that the Israelis are very often the exact same jews who are preventing Whites in the US from passing the rules needed to protect our people. In fact, they were the very same jews who passed the laws that put our people in danger in the first place. To mention one side without the other is at the least being deliberately dishonest-provocative, in light of the audience. It is the sort of thing you see mostly commonly from neocon hypocrites like David Horowitz.

Seriously, how many times do you need to have it explained? Israel certainly exhibits some qualities that any WN-nation would love to have themselves, and that is what Jack pointed out.
There's a difference between acknowledging attributes that your enemy has, which you'd personally like to strive for as well, and with considering that enemy to not be an enemy. I'm sure you're intelligent enough to comprehend that difference and I can't personally understand why you're not getting what Jack stated. You may think that it was improperly phrased, that's all well and good, but that's a reservation on the basis of semantics, not actual content and given meaning.

I already responded to this Jack Boot quote a few pages back:

I agree with using the quote in context, however, while I can understand what Jack Thug was trying to say, I still can't agree with him, because I don't support Israhell in anything - NOTHING!

Just because it's a racial state doesn't mean I have to, or should support it, because those fucking kike-bastards are rabidly against any European/White racial state. So fuck them all to hell and beyond! Nothing would please me more than to give those fucking anti-White hypocritical parasites what they're trying to do to White people - annihilation. Either physical annihilation or cultural, racial, and religious annihilation.

Jack Boot said that he "happily defends Israel"... I'm not fucking making this up, look up the quote, in context too.

That's not how a fucking WN talks. A WN does not "happily support" our greatest fucking enemy in anything.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=1200061#post1200061

This is a blatant lie, and for someone who puts forth the government's lies on 9/11, relentlessly, I'm not surprised. They were clearly banned for their views on 9/11. So, exposing jews is flaming? Apparently you're in the dark about jews, and need someone to school you. Of course, this idea that the government's lies about 9/11 is the truth in your view, is more proof of where you're coming from, Shitskin.

Oh boo hoo. Enough with the judeo-victimhood. Truthers post and have posted their beliefs on Stormfront for many years, and no mod really cares (actually some are sympathetic toward those beliefs themselves) either which way until the rules are purposely and continuously broken. And for some reason the conspiratorial crowd have shown a tendency to think they can behave any way they please, and whine like hell when they are reprimanded. It's pathetic.

I already responded to this Jack Boot quote a few pages back:

Jack Boot said that he "happily defends Israel"... I'm not fucking making this up, look up the quote, in context too.

That's not how a fucking WN talks. A WN does not "happily support" our greatest fucking enemy in anything.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=1200061#post1200061

That's reading something into it that was clearly not part of the point. Again, you might feel the 'wording' was improper, but that's a different complaint than to object the actual meaning of the post. And he was referring to basic achievements of qualities that WN's themselves aspire to have for their own group and nation. I truly do not understand the obsession some of you guys have with purposely misrepresenting what Jack ment, when you're only real beef is irrelevant semantics.

That's reading something

Dude, are you only here to harass, demean, condemn, fault-find and cause generally as much shit as you can?

You had your say, it's been rejected now move the fuck on......

What, no ice cream?

I'm no ceremonies type, quite the opposite. I'm merely pointing out what should be done, with a mild tip on how to do it. But this is exactly the kind of thing that could be done. The jews can't stop it. All they could do is laugh at it. Until they couldn't laugh at it. Which is all they can do with words that describe things people and phenomena that for various reasons they want unacknowledged. But of course, brainless WN, Phd on down, will keep on using the same old pretreated verbalumber to build their houses.

There should be some damage vaguely resembling the shadow of a airliner entering the building in a manner similar to the WTC I and II.

I see unbroken windows to the right and left, well within the the zone of where an airline entry hole should be.

This is one of the mysteries of 9/11 that can't be easily explained.

I don't see it as a mystery at all. The walls of the Pentagon were alot stronger than the aluminum cladding and window-cluttered fasade of the Towers. And also, consider these pictures (http://www.oilempire.us/oil-jpg/damage_comp.jpg). The wings arguably present the damage to the lower sides of the impact-zone.

That's reading something into it that was clearly not part of the point. Again, you might feel the 'wording' was improper, but that's a different complaint than to object the actual meaning of the post. And he was referring to basic achievements of qualities that WN's themselves aspire to have for their own group and nation. I truly do not understand the obsession some of you guys have with purposely misrepresenting what Jack ment, when you're only real beef is irrelevant semantics.

I did NOT "misrepresent what he meant", I stated my objection to it because he started off by saying that he "happily defends Israel", then didn't include the hypocrisy of those fucking kikes like I did in my post.

Furthermore, how the fuck can anybody defend the fucking nation of rats that's vehemently against White Nations?
I don't give a fuck if Israel is a racial state, and that we want to be one too - the fucking difference is that we are not against other races having their own racial states - the fucking kike-bastards, which Jack Boot is "happy to defend", ARE!!!

Therein lies the difference. So no, we are not like those fucking rats and never will be.

Dude, are you only here to harass, demean, condemn, fault-find and cause generally as much shit as you can?

You had your say, it's been rejected now move the fuck on......

Why do you insist on stating that? I challenged you on-point, on topic, and did hardly make any lengthy posts while doing it. Not only did you choose not to respond in kind, but you completely ignored the rebuttals in favour of childish behaviour, just like I told you from the start that truthers generally tend to behave as soon as they are effectively critiqued on their articles of faith (i.e 9/11-claims).

When is actual on-point discussion and debate interchangable with "causing disruption" et al? I tell you when, the moment you decide to take it to the truthers and expect them to respond in rational, confident manner as opposed to manic children with tourettes syndrome.

I did NOT "misrepresent what he meant", I stated my objection to it because he started off by saying that he "happily defends Israel", then didn't include the hypocrisy of those fucking kikes like I did in my post.

Yes and that's exactly what I said, you object to him phrasing it in that manner, which is all well and good, but if you're using that to object to his point and subsequently considering him a zionist and such because of a silly thing like disagreeing over semantics, then you certainly are misreprenting what he ment. If you did none of the above, and I have unfairly assumed as so in the midst of everyone else here doing the above, I apologize for lumping you in with that lot on this issue.

The problem with Boot's words is that he didn't also mention that the Israelis are very often the exact same jews who are preventing Whites in the US from passing the rules needed to protect our people.

Well some people might consider it to have been necessary for Boot to add that qualifier. But it's Boot, we all know what he thinks of Israel and jews. For years and years he hasn't exactly made his opinions a secret on these matters.

Again, dimwit, (as if you can't read) we didn't choose this location.

This is OBVIOUSLY an activism thread.

Or maybe you want to get a determination from Varg or Alex Linder, since you apparently have no grasp of the concepts being bantered here.

No, it's not an activism thread. Where is the activism? This is a pure discussion thread. Just make your argument and don't worry about the thread. People are reading what you say with interest. We don't DO groupthink here, so no one's going to persuade to ban people, so don't bother trying.

The thread was moved here because SF is irrelevant to our mission, and we don't gossip about it occupying our main forums. There is no implication that WTC demolition discussion isn't important. In fact, we have a stickied thread on that topic, and when this eventually winds down, I will probably merge the two threads.

Yes and that's exactly what I said, you object to him phrasing it in that manner, which is all well and good, but if you're using that to object to his point and subsequently considering him a zionist and such because of a silly thing like disagreeing over semantics, then you certainly are misreprenting what he ment. If you did none of the above, and I have unfairly assumed as so in the midst of everyone else here doing the above, I apologize for lumping you in with that lot on this issue.

There is no misrepresentation. Jack Boot said he was happy to defend Israel on several counts. He qualified his own post by approving of Israel killing Whites.

When Jack Boot talked about:

"Israel will hunt down and kill their enemies, and that is what we would do."

He was of course including the USS Liberty in that. Jack Boot was condoning the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty, the deaths of Whites.

Then he has the nerve to criticize the Joachim Peiper SS division, which according to actual US interrogations, showed that the division did not gun down US POW's.

It has been pointed out that Israel does not admit to any national boundaries, thus is not a nation.



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There is no misrepresentation. Jack Boot said he was happy to defend Israel on several counts. He qualified his own post by approving of Israel killing Whites.

When Jack Boot talked about:

"Israel will hunt down and kill their enemies, and that is what we would do."

He was of course including the USS Liberty in that. Jack Boot was condoning the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty, the deaths of Whites.


No, of course that is nothing but nonsense. In order to get that wayward impression of his posts you would have to construct that meaning all by your own and ascribe it to Boot, which you just did.

No, of course that is nothing but nonsense. In order to get that wayward impression of his posts you would have to construct that meaning all by your own and ascribe it to Boot, which you just did.


Jew Boot ascribed himself:



As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts. Israel is a racial nationalist state. That is what we want for ourselves. Israel is prepared to wage war to defend it's borders, and that is what we would do. Israel will hunt down and kill their enemies, and that is what we would do.

Israel would never permit raving fools to speak on it's behalf, and neither do we.

Not any more.

The situation is desperate, far worse than most of our supporters may suspect. If we do not enlist the middle class in America, then we are doomed.

Therefore it is clear that we must make our message and agenda palatable to that audience.


He said he was happy to defend Israel on several counts. That means the state of Israel. All that Israel stands for and has done. He didn't say he likes some aspects of Israeli ideology, he said he would defend Israel.

A Zionist is anybody who defends any aspect of Israel.


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Oh boo hoo. Enough with the judeo-victimhood. Truthers post and have posted their beliefs on Stormfront for many years, and no mod really cares (actually some are sympathetic toward those beliefs themselves) either which way until the rules are purposely and continuously broken. And for some reason the conspiratorial crowd have shown a tendency to think they can behave any way they please, and whine like hell when they are reprimanded. It's pathetic.

Well apparently the openess that SF formerly represented was an illusion. Yes, mods there do care today. They care to do what they're told or they get the "boot". SF's objectives have changed. I'm not surprised you haven't noticed. It's more in line with the horse shit you sell, in other words, a movement to lower it's former standards and therefore to destroy it. To move it radically to the left so that we all can accept Rodney King's mantra, "can't we all just get along", or the neocon's worries of Al Queda. How utterly disgusting and repulsive. Now is not the time to become moderate or milquetoast, or tone down our attacks against our primary enemy, the judeo parasites.

Is it to much to ask that we have a 9/11 thread not filled with jew trolls?
Oh yes to all the ZOGbots out there explain WTC7.
To Alex Linder I wasn't terribly impressed with this place when I got here
but I'll be honest. You'll actually allow a real debate unlike Jamie Kelso's
forum and you've done more real world activism than SF ever has.
Thanks for your efforts.

You're welcome. I like a certain level of fractiousness. I actually think it's more productive. A few clear rules are all we need. People would make better posters if they argued and insulted freely, but didn't over-worry about others doing the same. That's when it degrades. If someone else is a zionist, jew, anti, shill, whatever...so what? They can't stop you from posting the facts here. So stick to doing that, and you'll make your point. If someone truly is simply trying to disrupt, I will see it and take care of it. But don't come bitching to me, I don't play kindergarten cop. If I think it's worth banning or pruning, I'll make that decision without help.

I honestly believe Mossad produced '911,' which is properly called WTC demolitions. I don't know if Arabs had the idea first, and jew intelligence picked it up and greased the skids, or if it was jew production through and through from first inception. Both are quite possible, and if you read ex-Mossadist Ostrovsky you know this. I think the latter is considerably likelier. There simply isn't the technical ability in the Muslim world to pull off the incredible slate of things that needed to happen for '9/11' to go as smoothly as it did. Only jews have long practice with this sort of intricate false-flag. Not even the US has so much experience. And of course, like we needed any other evidence, jews and jews alone have the strongest motive. Not enough attention is given to a number of aspects, including the PNAC on-paper admission that what they wanted would require a 'new Pearl Harbor.' People blip over this like, yeah, it's something, but not that much. It is that much. Because we now know for a fact that the original Pearl Harbor was completely rigged by FDR. So what PNAC is actually saying is not 'we need an event,' they're saying 'we need TO RIG an event. Or: If we don't rig an event, we will never get the pretext we need for a general mideastern reorg naturally.

I think Donnie is wrong, but he's handling himself better than many of his detractors.

This is not the right forum for the thin-skinned, or for those who want everybody to be forced onto the same page. It will never be that way here.

I challenged you on-point, on topic,
You lying fucktard! You ran like a nigger with a new bike.

I'll admit, you had me hotter than a pair of jumper cables at a nigger picnic!

Jew Boot ascribed himself:




He said he was happy to defend Israel on several counts. That means the state of Israel. All that Israel stands for and has done. He didn't say he likes some aspects of Israeli ideology, he said he would defend Israel.

A Zionist is anybody who defends any aspect of Israel.


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I said myself that White people need to be more like Jews when it comes to Racial Loyalty. Jews favor other Jews in all aspects of life - in everything. That's how White people need to be - we need to favor other Whites and discriminate against non-Whites the way Jews favor other Jews and discriminate against non-Jews.

Had JB said something like this then I don't think that many, if any, people would have objected. But the way he worded that was all wrong; "happy to defend Israel on several counts"? I don't defend Israel on any counts.

It's one thing to say White people need to be more nationalistic like Jews are, and saying that you're "happy to defend Israel on several counts" especially when Israel/Israelis aren't "happy to" defend any White Nation on any counts. In fact they rabidly oppose any notion of a White Nation.

I think that saying that JB approves of Jews killing Whites and or that he approves of the USS Liberty attack out of that is a bit of a stretch. You're jumping from "several counts" to "all that Israel stands for".

I think that saying that JB approves of Jews killing Whites and or that he approves of the USS Liberty attack out of that is a bit of a stretch.

Jew Boot stated:

"Israel is prepared to wage war to defend it's borders, and that is what we would do. Israel will hunt down and kill their enemies, and that is what we would do."

Was not the USS Liberty attack waging war or killing its perceived enemy? Did not the state of Israel see the USS Liberty as an enemy?



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Jew Boot stated:

"Israel is prepared to wage war to defend it's borders, and that is what we would do. Israel will hunt down and kill their enemies, and that is what we would do."

Was not the USS Liberty attack waging war or killing its perceived enemy? Did not the state of Israel see the USS Liberty as an enemy?



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Yes but it's hard to prove that that is what JB had in mind when he said that. He could have not even been thinking about that at all when he made that post. Still, when it comes to 'and that is what we would do', you can take from that that Israel should have been brutally attacked by the U.S. for their attack on the USS Liberty because 'that would be what we would do', hunt down our enemies, etc...

So it's all a matter of how you look at it. That does NOT mean that I agree with what he said, especially with the way he said it, it's just that I think if we're going to attack him it's best to go with something that sticks.
Which I explained in my previous post, and Alex Linder had the same thought on - JB failed to mention that those Jews [the Israelis] are more often than not the very Jews in the U.S. [and Europe, et al.] which prevent White people from passing on the very [same/similar] laws needed to preserve our people, our nations, our culture, our [White] racial character, our heritage.

So saying that you are "happy to defend Israel on several counts" is not a very smart thing to say.

However, you bring up a good point but I'm not going to argue that point because I don't think it sticks.

Yes but it's hard to prove that that is what JB had in mind when he said that.

People write what they mean, unless they are illiterate.

When a person says Israel is right in attacking its ememies, they mean all attacks on all enemies. Jew Boot didn't make any exclusions.

To attempt to say that Jew Boot really was talking about roses, is ludicrous.



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People write what they mean, unless they are illiterate.

When a person says Israel is right in attacking its ememies, they mean all attacks on all enemies. Jew Boot didn't make any exclusions.

To attempt to say that Jew Boot really was talking about roses, is ludicrous.



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I think the only way to settle this is to ask JB what he meant; if he believes that Israel was right in attacking the USS Liberty.

I think the only way to settle this is to ask JB what he meant; if he believes that Israel was right in attacking the USS Liberty.

The only way to settle this is to reinstate our membership handles on SF and publish a public apology, and for Jew Boot to step down from Stormfront along with Don Black.

You can't support a WN Admin who bans posters over linking 9/11 to Israel and then have an Admin state:


As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts. Israel is a racial nationalist state. That is what we want for ourselves. Israel is prepared to wage war to defend it's borders, and that is what we would do. Israel will hunt down and kill their enemies, and that is what we would do.

"Their enemies" means just that. Israel saw the USS Liberty as an enemy.

Was Jew Boot a stupid Zionist? Did he ban people over this? True on both counts.

And I believe Moshe Dayan concluded that he could prevent Washington from becoming aware of what Israel was up to by destroying the primary source of acquiring that information the USS Liberty. The result was a wanton sneak attack that left 34 American sailors dead and 171 seriously injured.

Commander McGonagle's story is the stuff of naval tradition. Badly wounded in the first air attack, lying on the deck and losing blood, he refused any treatment that would take him from his battle station on the bridge. He continued to direct the ship's defense, the control of flooding and fire, and by his own example inspired the survivors to heroic efforts to save the ship.

It is telling, with respect to whether total annihilation was the intent, that the Liberty crew has reported that the torpedo boats' machine guns also were turned on life rafts that were deployed into the Mediterranean as well as those few on deck that had escaped damage.


America's Highest Ranking Naval Officer
Admiral Thomas Moorer (1912 - 2004)
Former Chief of Naval Operations
and
Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff

http://www.ussliberty.org/moorer3.htm.

Jack Boot: "Israel is prepared to wage war to defend it's borders, and that is what we would do. Israel will hunt down and kill their enemies, and that is what we would do."

Jack Boot did defend Israel's attack on the USS Liberty.

Did he ban people over this? He did. There is no excusing this. That was how he felt.



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I already responded to this Jack Boot quote a few pages back:

Jack Boot said that he "happily defends Israel"... I'm not fucking making this up, look up the quote, in context too.

That's not how a fucking WN talks. A WN does not "happily support" our greatest fucking enemy in anything.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=1200061#post1200061
I agree, although I understood what Jack Fairy Boot was driving at as far as similarities between Zionism and White Nationalism, as I defined in my previous post.

I find it hard to conceive that the festering syphilitic anal sore would begin explaining his position by stating that he "Happily defends Israel." Those words, "Defend" and "Israel" would never escape the mouth of a true WN in the same sentence - Ever!

Yet this is similar to the post he made a few weeks ago about the Jew ex-cops being "Two of the nicest guys you would ever want to meet." Why were there two Jew ex-cops in his office anyway? Were they ADL detectives that are blackmailing him with secret pictures taken of him felching Mo Dee's semen from Mark Potock's asshole?

Sure, it's just speculation, but that is all we have to go by since Jack Lovelace won't regurgitate any response through hard-deep probing by Stormfront members.

The only way to settle this is to reinstate our membership handles on SF and publish a public apology, ...Don't hold your breath. I personally banned you several times and I was fired in 2005.

You start somewhat lucid and slowly melt. Your meltdown has started on this one.

I'm not a fan of Don Black and he doesn't care for me. When it comes to you, we agree.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t250489-241/#post3823846

Jew Boot stated:

"Israel is prepared to wage war to defend it's borders, and that is what we would do. Israel will hunt down and kill their enemies, and that is what we would do."

Was not the USS Liberty attack waging war or killing its perceived enemy? Did not the state of Israel see the USS Liberty as an enemy?
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Israel saw the USS Liberty as a pretext, or the pawn in a pretext. What was supposed to happen was the sinking of the USS Liberty, which would then be blamed on Egypt, and Egypt would be nuked to a smoking ruins. The USS Liberty wasn't sunk, so Egypt couldn't be blamed and then nuked.

Instead, the plan to annex Egypt into the 'Greater Israel' was set back decades. It's taking them that long to destabilize Sudan to a point that Zionist controlled bases can be built in there to be used as one arm of a pincher move against Egypt.

Israel HAS defined it's borders. The borders of Israel include the whole earth and all that is within it.

Jew Boot stated:

"Israel is prepared to wage war to defend it's borders, and that is what we would do. Israel will hunt down and kill their enemies, and that is what we would do."

Was not the USS Liberty attack waging war or killing its perceived enemy? Did not the state of Israel see the USS Liberty as an enemy?

Those pussies supposedly promote and adhere to the New Orleans Protocol of non violence and change through political means, and yet you have Jack Fag stating "Israel will hunt down and kill their enemies, and that is what we would do."

No, Jack Homo, that is what we should be doing now.

The reality is that if the shit really were to hit the fan, those faggot ex-hippies at Stormfront would put flowers in their hair and start singing Cumbaya, all the while hoping and praying that the niggers don't hunt them down and rape their assholes and then cut out their livers and cook them on a stick.

You truther scum are all jokes.


scum

Look who's talking.

homosexuality is completely healthy and, in fact, better than heterosexuality.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1117248&postcount=8

Shouldn't you be shoving something up your ass by now, you filthy sodomite?

"9-11 truth, the destruction of Israel, and the dismantling of the Israel lobby might all be good things but they do absolutely nothing to further the goals of white nationalism. If you really are interested in preserving Western civilization and converting people to the cause concentrate on issues like immigration, economics, crime, and how multiculturalism does not work. Going on and on about the Jews and Jewish conspiracies just furthers the stereotype that we're all a bunch of Neo-Nazi's and does nothing to help win the demographic battle."

The result of following the above advice, whether the advisor intends it or not, will be to make WN indistinguishable from dopey, ineffectual conservatism.

I don't see it as a mystery at all. The walls of the Pentagon were alot stronger than the aluminum cladding and window-cluttered fasade of the Towers. And also, consider these pictures. The wings arguably present the damage to the lower sides of the impact-zone.

Heh. Explain the engines then what did they do evaporate? Explain how a
novice pilot can maneuver a multi engine plain in ways 20 year veteran
pilots cant. Oh yes explain WTC7 while your at it the building that committed
suicide.

Don't hold your breath. I personally banned you several times and I was fired in 2005.

You start somewhat lucid and slowly melt. Your meltdown has started on this one.

I'm not a fan of Don Black and he doesn't care for me. When it comes to you, we agree.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t250489-241/#post3823846

Wayne all you want is easy power. You don't care if you collude with the person of Operation Red Dog which was putting a Negro in power.

The fact that Don Black did Operation Red Dog and wants you around goes against your character.


Get a grip, or you're going the same way. Druid Scholar / Frankinphilidelphia / Celtic Patriot is the single nuttiest whackjob we've ever had on this board, and that's saying a lot. I don't know how the hell he ever snuck back here.

He gets some respect because his new accounts are always immediately moderated by mods, since he's obviously a nutjob. so when he goes off his meds, his posts don't appear.

In one of his last incarnations, he'd send me fevered emails all night, saying he was filing a lawsuit in federal court the next morning if I didn't let him back on the board. He's also said he was responsible for bringing down Watergate figures, using his connections in the international world of espionage. He also likes to spam our PM system with hundreds of PMs to unsuspecting users claiming Stormfront has been taken over by Jews.

Ironically, that's one thing I miss about Inspector MuadDib. He'd sniff out his new accounts and ban him after a few posts.

But don't you worry, Coldstar. I'm sure he's already set up a new account here, and MuadDib isn't here to stop him. He's previously emailed me that he can't live without Stormfront.

You, however, are close to saying buh-bye. My family and I, along with many other good men and women, have risked too much just to allow this place to become a playground for trolls, freaks and idiots.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t250489-241/#post3823846


First Don Black flat out lies. I don't even know who DruidScholar/Frankinphilidelphia are. Secondly he's clearly trying to slander my screen name Celtic_Patriot with some idiotic stories about Watergate, no doubt tied in his head to Operation Red Dog. And then the hundreds of PM's about Stormfront taken over by Jews, he is simply trying to slander a web screen handle. He's talking about a few PM's I sent about John Jew Tree there. But of course he exaggerates it, lies basically, and says it was hundreds. Sending the PM's about 24 of them saying JJT was a Jew, it the only truth to the above rant by Don Black.

Wayne, really low that you would even support such lies. But then we all know you are just about power and abuse of power and have little to no brain. With that you share with Don Black and Operation Red Dog. And Wayne, your little treehouse site didn't last very long.

The last time you thought I was some Catholic Irish poster. You've lost your woof long ago. We all laughed at you in fact.

They got rid of you Wayne because you lost your mind and went rabid like a dog.

You went around SF claiming I was Fionn on SF, who was an Irish Catholic, you fool.



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Right, we're going to save our nation and our folk by sitting around pissing on each others shoes.

Could we have some team work, please?

I'm not a fan of Don Black and he doesn't care for me. When it comes to you, we agree.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t250489-241/#post3823846

This is how stupid you became.

You thought Fionn of PAA was An Faolchú Fionn on Stormfront, who is an Irish Catholic. It didn't occur to you that Fionn was a popular Irish warrior-poet.

After that they knew you lost your mind and had gone rabid like a dog.



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I don't see it as a mystery at all. The walls of the Pentagon were alot stronger than the aluminum cladding and window-cluttered fasade of the Towers. And also, consider these pictures (http://www.oilempire.us/oil-jpg/damage_comp.jpg). The wings arguably present the damage to the lower sides of the impact-zone.

I believe a missile was fired into the Pentagon. There is no way a commercial jet can make those maneuvers no less avoid being shot down by our military. The pictures you linked have the equivalence of an abstract test and lead to nothing worth noting.

People write what they mean, unless they are illiterate.

When a person says Israel is right in attacking its ememies, they mean all attacks on all enemies. Jew Boot didn't make any exclusions.

To attempt to say that Jew Boot really was talking about roses, is ludicrous.

And we are Israel's number#1 enemy, maybe Jerkboot forgot our nation was founded as a free racial nation until the jew worked feverishly during the 1960's and penned conspiracy laws using the coercion of militarized police to force race mixing, backed by the supreme court.

Israel doesn't give two fucks about us, so why does race traitor JerkBoot praise them for taking away our freedom?

Wayne all you want is easy power. You don't care if you collude with the person of Operation Red Dog which was putting a Negro in power.

The fact that Don Black did Operation Red Dog and wants you around goes against your character.



First Don Black flat out lies. I don't even know who DruidScholar/Frankinphilidelphia are. Secondly he's clearly trying to slander my screen name Celtic_Patriot with some idiotic stories about Watergate, no doubt tied in his head to Operation Red Dog. And then the hundreds of PM's about Stormfront taken over by Jews, he is simply trying to slander a web screen handle. He's talking about a few PM's I sent about John Jew Tree there. But of course he exaggerates it, lies basically, and says it was hundreds. Sending the PM's about 24 of them saying JJT was a Jew, it the only truth to the above rant by Don Black.

Wayne, really low that you would even support such lies. But then we all know you are just about power and abuse of power and have little to no brain. With that you share with Don Black and Operation Red Dog. And Wayne, your little treehouse site didn't last very long.

The last time you thought I was some Catholic Irish poster. You've lost your woof long ago. We all laughed at you in fact.

They got rid of you Wayne because you lost your mind and went rabid like a dog.

You went around SF claiming I was Fionn on SF, who was an Irish Catholic, you fool.



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Two dozen PMs saying JJT was a Jew, heh? You little slickster.

Right, we're going to save our nation and our folk by sitting around pissing on each others shoes.

Could we have some team work, please?

Yeah, I couldn't take all the back-biting going on.

This is how stupid you became.
You thought Fionn of PAA was An Faolchú Fionn on Stormfront, who is an Irish Catholic. It didn't occur to you that Fionn was a popular Irish warrior-poet.

After that they knew you lost your mind and had gone rabid like a dog.


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You are starting to melt.

Wayne all you want is easy power. Not even close, CP.

I don't even know who DruidScholar/Frankinphilidelphia are.Maybe not. You are psycho that way. I was a mod then and I know they were but a few of your numerous IDs.

You can twist; you can turn. I was there and I know. You've even been caught here using multiple IDs to support yourself.

You have a pattern. You start out well. Then, for one reason or another, you go nuts. My guess is that you forget to take your meds.



How many times will you repost the same thing? Your previous rant got double digit reposts. It's your typical symptom, CP. You can't help yourself.

Originally Posted by Jack Boot
As a matter of fact, I'm happy to defend Israel on several counts


This is despicable. What on earth was he thinking?

Anyone defending I$rael on a WN site should be banned immediately yet here we have the second man in charge after Don Black defending the zionist abomination.

They say that they want to appeal to the middle class and appear 'respectable' so they foolishly believe that disgusting statements like this will attract the masses. Don't they see that these statements will only benefit the jews and present them in a favourable light to White Nationalists.

The only alternative is that they are actively and knowingly working for the jews.

Tomorrow Congress may well do their best to make a few million illegal aliens citizens.

Kennewickman is here posting about it, and so far it has three responses. We need to get off our asses and do something about the issues we feel are important.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=119816

This is despicable. What on earth was he thinking?
We have already established that SF is no longer a WN site. Among other things, the yids run wild over there while WN SMs are perma-banned for very minor infractions, meaningless really.

We have already established that SF is no longer a WN site. Among other things, the yids run wild over there while WN SMs are perma-banned for very minor infractions, meaningless really.


Much evidence seems to point that way, but we still need to be 100% certain before making such claims.

Also I don't understand why David Duke would still be involved with them if this is the path they are taking. Duke has never compromised when it comes to the jews so it doesn't seem to make any sense that he would still support SF if it was kosher.

Much evidence seems to point that way, but we still need to be 100% certain before making such claims.

Also I don't understand why David Duke would still be involved with them if this is the path they are taking. Duke has never compromised when it comes to the jews so it doesn't seem to make any sense that he would still support SF if it was kosher.

They don't wear neon.

There was a time when I held David in very high esteem, I'm from the same home town, am the same age, and we met at KKK meetings many moons ago.

I don't think he always does what he knows is right. I think expediency and the continual quest for wealth may compromise him at times these days. He is still singing the swan song, but I think he has feet of clay.

Any who place their hopes and aspirations or their love in another human being is bound to be dissapointed eventually.

As for SF, I know first hand that JB allows jew trolls to run free while purging the most aware/articulate where the jew is concerned. He banned me no less than 5 times for outing the jew.

They don't wear neon.

There was a time when I held David in very high esteem, I'm from the same home town, am the same age, and we met at KKK meetings many moons ago.

I don't think he always does what he knows is right. I think expediency and the continual quest for wealth may compromise him at times these days. He is still singing the swan song, but I think he has feet of clay.

Any who place their hopes and aspirations or their love in another human being is bound to be dissapointed eventually.

As for SF, I know first hand that JB allows jew trolls to run free while purging the most aware/articulate where the jew is concerned. He banned me no less than 5 times for outing the jew.


I agree with what you say about JB and co. but I will continue to judge Duke on the basis of what the jew media say about him. As long as the zog media remain hostile to Duke and attack him I will not, unlike some other WN's, join them and condemn him. Even if he did take money from his supporters which went into his pockets, or towards gambling and not into the movement ,as long as he is publicly speaking out againt the jews and being targeted by them in their media I will support him and urge others to as well. He is after all the most hated man in the jew media, after Ahmadinejad.

Maybe not. You are psycho that way. I was a mod then and I know they were but a few of your numerous IDs.


You can twist; you can turn. I was there and I know. You've even been caught here using multiple IDs to support yourself.


You can twist; you can turn. I know. You''ve been caught using multiple ID's on Stormfront. such as Quetzalcoatl. You are psycho that way.

You can't help yourself. You go off your meds MD.

MuadDib lost his credibility years ago saying that Celtic_Patriot was An Faolchú Fionn on Stormfront, which when investigated, found out was a lie.

Muad Dib, Quetzalcoatl. and Don Black, together in harmony with Operation Red Dog, putting a Negro dictator in power. Supporting the Zionist story on 9/11. You go insane anytime you get close to the flame of power. You will support anything, including Don Black's support of the Zionist story of 9/11.

People who are weak need power, they will put a Negro in power, as Don Black tried to do with Operation Red Dog, if that's what it takes to get power. After all the things you said against Don Black a few years ago, you have little chance. Just as WNF's website was run out of England, and then suddenly it disappears. You have a lot to learn.

MuadDib/Quetzalcoatl psycho using several wierd screen handles.



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He is after all the most hated man in the jew media, after Ahmadinejad.
I agree with that, they are both nationalists, the poison to the jew agenda.

Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike David, I just don't deify him (or anyone) anymore.

This is despicable. What on earth was he thinking?

Anyone defending I$rael on a WN site should be banned immediately yet here we have the second man in charge after Don Black defending the zionist abomination.

They say that they want to appeal to the middle class and appear 'respectable' so they foolishly believe that disgusting statements like this will attract the masses. Don't they see that these statements will only benefit the jews and present them in a favourable light to White Nationalists.

The only alternative is that they are actively and knowingly working for the jews.

He's also retarded for thinking that he can "make nice" with all the kikes and they'll love him right back. Their slogan is "never forget" and they mean it. So too should we never forget that Jews murdered some 2,000 White people that day.

Hitler was a Zionist too.

Hitler wasn't a Zionist he just cooperated with them.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

Zionism was a movement of nationalist Jews that wanted to give some dignity to their parasitic race and a country in Palestine.

The problem is that to have a country, you need farmers, fishermen's, cops, soldiers, industry, etc ...

But except some fanatical Zionists, Jews usually don't like heavy work, so they aren't exchanging their wall street yuppie lifestyle in New York for an Israeli settlement in Samaria.

YouTube - Jewish Woman Tells Us Why Many Jews Don't Live In Israel

Right, we're going to save our nation and our folk by sitting around pissing on each others shoes.

Could we have some team work, please?

Teamwork pissing on shoes? That would create quite a splash.

I agree with what you say about JB and co. but I will continue to judge Duke on the basis of what the jew media say about him. As long as the zog media remain hostile to Duke and attack him I will not, unlike some other WN's, join them and condemn him. Even if he did take money from his supporters which went into his pockets, or towards gambling and not into the movement ,as long as he is publicly speaking out againt the jews and being targeted by them in their media I will support him and urge others to as well. He is after all the most hated man in the jew media, after Ahmadinejad.

I disagree. Once a thief, always a thief.

You may like how he presents himself and what he has to say, but that doesn't mean he can, or should, be trusted.

But hey, if you want to send Duke a check so that he can think about possibly running for President in 2012, that is your prerogative.

Hitler wasn't a Zionist he just cooperated with them.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

Zionism was a movement of nationalist Jews that wanted to give some dignity to their parasitic race and a country in Palestine.

The problem is that to have a country, you need farmers, fishermen's, cops, soldiers, industry, etc ...

But except some fanatical Zionists, Jews usually don't like heavy work, so they aren't exchanging their wall street yuppie lifestyle in New York for an Israeli settlement in Samaria.

YouTube - Jewish Woman Tells Us Why Many Jews Don't Live In Israel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GQIptKdqNg)

I wouldn't say that Hitler cooperated with them.

I would say that Hitler was happy to accommodate them in their quest to migrate to Palestine with extreme prejudice.

Jack Boot is a Zionist. That is why 11 Stormfront veterans were banned. And we are angry.


An angry paranoid-schizophrenic.

This won't end well.

This one was just passed on to me...
YouTube - [SPECIAL] Scott Roberts and 9/11


Their angle (summarized):
Scott is a nigger..
9/11 doesn't matter...
Scott is a race traitor (which is it? am I a "nigger" or a "race traitor"?)..
Shut Up...Stop talking about Jews and 9/11
9/11 doesn't matter...
Scott isn't even White...
Shut Up.. Stop talking about Jews and 9/11
9/11 doesn't matter...
Scott is a wigger...
9/11 Doesn't matter..
Shut Up...Stop talking about Jews and 9/11
Scott is poor and lives in an apartment..
9/11 DOESN'T MATTER..
Scott grew up in the "hood"..
Scott is a race traitor..
Scott is African..
Scott is Asian..
9/11 DOESN'T MATTER..
9/11 DOESN'T MATTER..
9/11 DOESN'T MATTER..
SHUT UP! GO AWAY!

Well, apparently 9/11 DOES matter or you wouldn't spend so much time worrying about our 9/11 discussions (you could just call us "truthers" and leave us be), and you wouldn't shift the entire focus onto the messenger (as you obviously feel the need to do).

Why all the discussion about me suddenly (they weren't so concerned over my "checkered" past all these years)? Why all of the exaggerations, assumptions, and flat out lies about me and my past (if you must talk about ME, then at least stick to the facts..which should be easy, since I have disclosed all of this information voluntarily)? Why are all the spoof videos popping up all over the place (shifting their focus from labeling me as a "racist" to a "race traitor")? Most importantly... Why can't they ever just stick to the facts?

'The movement,' if it can do nothing else, at least ought to see itself for what it is today, at this moment. And it is...a bunch of online personages, mostly anonymous, enjoying political-flavored entertainment, or using politics as a way to sell books or in some other way bring in money. That's all. Perhaps something more can be made of it, but we haven't seen anyone able to do that yet.



Sums it up nicely.

I was involved in organizational WN for years.

Twenty years ago when I was active in the Ku Klux Klan (yea, I know) the best thing about it was we held monthly get-togethers where like-minded Whites met face to face. You really got a sense of community during those meetings.

It was not unusual to have well over 200 people at any given meeting, and we had close to 500 members state-wide. All recruited pre-Internet.

I have often wondered why, with all the advantages the Internet offers with regards to exposure and simple logistics, there is not a growing real-world WN organization active today.

Agreed. The same message can be adapted to any audience, from a five-year-old, to a physics PhD.



Agreed. The old Jesuit strategy applies - meet the people where they are, and draw them back to the right path.



Agreed. But this is merely common sense.



This is where I don't agree. First, why do you have to scream? You don't. You can simply use those slurs. Without screaming. Like Mencken or Revilo Oliver did. Or any White man in the country in the first half of the last century. It is simply a measure of your class background that you associate slurs with screaming.

Second, you're misidentifying what actually bothers John/Jane Doe. It's not the use of slurs, it's that your position is known to be socially disreputable. She's worried that you will damage her social status. John Doe has no problem using ACCEPTABLE slurs - for whites, for Muslims. He is only "bothered" by slurs against officially exalted groups. And we know from surveys that his behavior is likely to be what the jew-left would call racist. To the extent he can act 'racist' privately and legally, John Doe, your average white guy, usually does. Certainly, more often than not, he moves to a whiter neighborhood, and he lives, works, marries, and breeds with people like himself.

People like John Doe are not where revolutionary change come from. And this is my main point. For reaching out, you need what Rockwell said - an offering for the semi-literate farmer as well as the French diplomat.

But we should be getting past that stage, to where that reaching out, in all formats, to all tastes, is running like an indoor heating system, as part of the infrastructure.

The need now, and the difficult problem, is to build a political change group. Such efforts as there are, are merely ordinary democratic conservatism, with no hope for making real change. And these are the ones reasonably described as obsessed with appearances, manners, propriety -- how we look to others.

My argument is we need revolutionary change, and that might as well start with our language. We build a new world, virtually, online, as a precursor to something in the real world. Of course it would be great if we could do both simultaneously, but I can't even persuade people to exclude those who favor jews over whites from our movement. They're just thoughtlessly lumped in.

WN must at all costs POLARIZE the country between jews and Whites. That is the #1 political task. Talking in the same terms everyone else does doesn't help that. What you don't realize is that precisely what John Doe needs to hear is "******." He will never join our movement until it appears to be at least as likely to triumph as be crushed, but the mere use of a term like '******' at least shows him an entirely different conception of things than he's accustomed to. He will reject it? Sure. But he'll be aware of it. It's not like he's going to be brought around by your argument and sign up to join your side. That will only come when you're winning, and the only kind of people who can actually create a winning team out of a matrix of losers are those not scared off by such terms. So it those people we should be concerned about, the nucleus of the white change organ.

Anything short of that is simply conservatism. It's focused on me-tooing the Republicans, tv talk show heads, and bookselling writers. And the larger sites like Free Republic. Having a different "take" from the mainstream but using their terms and frames, and discussing their issues - that is conservatism, no matter what it calls itself. It always loses.

The goal must be to create a true alternative. A different world, with different values, filled with different people. The best way to create that world is to start with the terms we use, and what could more radically differentiate what Whites have to offer than taking the holiest of holies, the taboo of all taboos, and stomping it into the mud. Giving it the good ol' jew treatment - treating their scared cows the way they treat everything we respect. That's how we polarize, and show our strength, and attract the minority among our race with anything to offer. If we can't even do it verbally, how will we ever do it physically. Or maybe your unquestioned, unrealized assumption that if we're just polite enough, we'll attract enough people to vote our number into power and change things to our liking is correct. I don't think so.

WN should begin by deciding whether it simply a middle-class vote-getting option, in which case it should act like the other useless parties, or it should choose to be something radical, in which it must follow an entirely different strategy with attendant rules.

Right now, there is no movement, there is just haze.



Evidence? This is merely your opinion. You grant far too high an importance to what Jane or Joe Middle Class American thinks. What they think is not actually a thought, but twin fear and status tropisms. If you are on top, you can get them to do whatever you want. The terms you use have little to do with it. If you're the outgroup, publicly seen to be evil and bad, no argument you make will have effect. And even if you do persuade some people intellectually, so what? They're not going to do anything because there's too much danger. Change doesn't come from middle class people, and talk of attracting them or persuading them as though WN were just another party-political option is beside the point.

The concern is not to persuade people, it's to build up a power than can defeat the jews. Once you have that, you have the mass media and the enforcement mechanism and your disposal. And whatever those say today is what the Janes and Joes repeat tomorrow. It truly is that simple. Most people are not motivated by logical, intellectual conclusions, they are motivated by animal tropisms such as obtaining food, satisfying sexual desire, and even more than these, avoiding situations that produce fear. it is safe to be a democrat. It is safe to be a Republican. It is not safe to be White. That's how these people think, but it isn't thinking at all, it's in the marrow and heart, not in the brain. If being right mattered, we would have won a long time ago, because better men than we puzzled this all out long ago.



I don't agree. I believe what GLRockwell said, which is theopposite of what you're saying: trying to use facts and reasons with the mass of people is the eternal stumbling block of the right. You wouldn't call yourself conservative, or what you're doing a conservative strategy, but it is. And it can't work. Gaining a lot of page views is easy. But that is merely a measure of the quality of entertainment, one provides, not a measure of genuine willingness to come together to produce the change we need.



Are they turned off by Glenn Beck or Michael Savage screaming about black beasts and Muslim terrorists? No. So there must be some other factor at work. The one I mentioned above. It's WHO is being slurred, not the slurring or cursing itself, that bothers them, since they know the powers that be have made a certain set of slurs acceptable and another set taboo.



No, it's considerably deeper than that. It's not a matter of reaching audiences at all.

Look, there are 100 different quality websites/forums/video collections/essays out there to persuade anyone of the factual correctness of our arguments. He can have it in whichever form appeals to him. VNN was always, per Rockwell, multilevel, with crude cartoons up to PhD-written essays. What made it more attractive, and drew a higher alexa rating than any other 1-man site was its humor, which was not merely incorrect, but often filthy. The idea that people are bothered by slurs is simply false. Commonly held, but absolutely false.



It's not a matter of hard or soft; that you think it is shows you don't grasp what's actually going on. You're thinking on one level, but not the right level.

Let's say you reach 1000 people. You persuade, say, 100 of them. What does that mean? If you're SF or some other group it means they will keep coming back for the wisdom and entertainment, and hopefully write you subsidy checks. Ok, that's fine.

What does it mean in terms of real political change?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

And over time, becoming addicted to the numbers game (numbers of readers and incoming checks), keeping and cultivating that market becomes the be-all. And so you begin to airstream debate, to shrink from what you might have said before you had an audience. Just to make sure you don't offend anybody, or drive them away. That would reduce your income. In any democratic system, the more you offend, the more votes you lose. So you learn to lie and camouflage and conceal. Most in WN see this as the way to go. I don't. I think we ought to offer what the democratic system does not.

Where's the White change in the just-another-party-appealing-for-votes approach?

Nowhere. It's just a version of what the Republican party or Free Republic does. A way to make money for the owner-operators, but do nothing to produce the change we need.

For that there must be agreement on who we are, and what we want. We don't have that yet. Using slurs and coinages is a better way to produce that type than any I know of.

Can our cause be reduced to a party-political position? Or is it a life-and-death matter concerning the context in which our kind will live?

If you answer yes to the former, than a focus on appearances an manners might, i say MIGHT, make sense. But only if you believe you can achieve your end goal as one of a number of players within the established System.

If you want something radically different, then using the agreed on set of taboos and cliches, the ones promulgated by the jew masters, accustoming us to them through inevitable and ceaseless repetition through all official, institutional and quasi-official outlets - is crazy.



Yeah, this is the old partyline dogma, and it's wrong. You're worried about being called names. So you're going to bring them over to racism without their realizing you're racist. That will never work. They're not as dumb as you think, and their opposition to you comes from different sources than you realize. Plenty of them don't have to be persuaded that racism is right, we know that from their behavior. Their opposition to you springs out of fear, physical and status, and they won't change until they have a reason to get past that fear, either dire circumstances, such as a social breakdown, or because you have something so wildly attractive they just have to have it. Which is not what the factualists have on tap. There is no word string you can devise, no truther video you can make, that will outweigh the impression made by the ******s in the Denny's video. This stuff is exactly analogous to animals fighting over mating rights, with the masses being the female to be fucked by the winner. The female attitude, and I had one say this to me in exactly these words, and it caused an epiphany, is "if you were right, you'd be running things." This was a high-IQ female too, not even an average or dumb one, a very high-IQ female. It really is that simple. Authority is right because it's authority.

Why do you think people signed up with the Nazis? Because Hitler had good arguments?

Or because they believed, based on his proven record, and something they saw in his eyes, that he would lay down his last atom to back his breath with his body, and they knew that Germany needed some very, very serious change.

If you think about that, you can probably figure it out.

That is the difference. This stuff on the internet is silly word games. If we don't have a physical way to resist, in some form, and ultimately in all forms, the enemy, then we have nothing. This stuff is very far from a matter of persuading people or attracting them in the sense that term is usually used. The fact is, and you say you care about facts: most White people ARE RACISTS ALREADY. So they DONT NEED TO BE PERSUADED. What they need is leadership. And typing -- mine, yours, or David Duke's -- or making videos is not leadership.

'The movement,' if it can do nothing else, at least ought to see itself for what it is today, at this moment. And it is...a bunch of online personages, mostly anonymous, enjoying political-flavored entertainment, or using politics as a way to sell books or in some other way bring in money. That's all. Perhaps something more can be made of it, but we haven't seen anyone able to do that yet. It would make sense to look at how other people in analogous situations spoke and behaved.

Excellent response Alex, and I could break your every point down and endlessly debate what amounts to being minor differences in opinion/approach, but ultimately I agree with the vast majority of what you stated. In principle at least.

So I will keep it (relatively) short, in the name of peace and progress...you and I both have better things to do than to "battle" back and forth over the semantics of many points that are, as you pointed out, "common sense".

My 1st point that I would like to make is this: there are people out there who would be valuable allies and willing to act, IF they simply had a basic understanding of the situation. So I have in fact focused on that particular demographic. However, I will admit to shifting my focus slightly over time. Recently, I am spending more time trying to communicate with and organize with those who are already aware.

Perhaps that is a natural progression, and I must point out to you that I was completely unaware myself just a few short years ago. I've tried to accomplish as much as I could in a relatively short period of time, but there is only so much one man can do. How many videos can I make? How many topics are there to discuss? At this point, I feel I have made enough introductory level material to allow myself to move on a bit, so that's exactly what I have been doing.

Also, I am certainly not suggesting that we remain "polite" or "politically correct", which you seem to imply. I have been far from "polite", I simply choose NOT to overuse/misuse derogatory language while making my point...a discussion in and of itself, I know, but I am simply referring to language that my intended audience would consider to be "derogatory".. thus it would be self defeating, in that regard.

Don't get me wrong, your point is well taken, and I still use most of the language you are referring to (suggesting), for the very reasons you have outlined, but I do so in what I believe to be a timely manner. Which you ultimately seem to agree on (you didn't start your Knoxville speech that way, but you finished it as such).

I also STRONGLY agree that we need to have all of the online "warriors" start crossing over into real world activism and action. I am certainly open to suggestion as to how we can be more effective in making this happen.

Poignant:
The concern is not to persuade people, it's to build up a power than can defeat the jews. Once you have that, you have the mass media and the enforcement mechanism and your disposal. And whatever those say today is what the Janes and Joes repeat tomorrow. It truly is that simple. Most people are not motivated by logical, intellectual conclusions, they are motivated by animal tropisms such as obtaining food, satisfying sexual desire, and even more than these, avoiding situations that produce fear. it is safe to be a democrat. It is safe to be a Republican. It is not safe to be White. That's how these people think, but it isn't thinking at all, it's in the marrow and heart, not in the brain. If being right mattered, we would have won a long time ago, because better men than we puzzled this all out long ago.
And I agree. Thus the recent shift in my focus.

However, it is still valuable to reach out to the masses, since there's no harm in getting the truth out there (though we certainly could do a better job IF we somehow assumed control over the MSM), and since there are in fact some good men mixed into the masses who would be willing to help us get the ball rolling. In other words, we are currently trying to "build up that power", so every newly awakened individual becomes a possible asset in helping us obtain that goal. IF we already had that power, then we wouldn't need them, but we don't, so every little bit can help.

No, it's considerably deeper than that. It's not a matter of reaching audiences at all.


Well, YOU couldn't possibly do it all on your own, right? So at what point does the situation reach critical mass where all this talk will boil over into some (effective) action? Perhaps the average "Joe" might not matter, but there are some good men out there who are simply in need of being "reached". Should we ignore them at THIS point? Eventually, I would agree that we should no longer bother with them, but I don't think we are quite there yet. Do you?

To me, it's like fishing in an ocean filled with worthless "blowfish" and trying to snag a few of the rare, but highly valuable "kingfish". When you catch a "blowfish" you simply toss it back into the ocean and cast your line again. Eventually a worthy catch will come along and make all your time and effort pay off. A storm is rolling in on the horizon, but it's not here yet, so we might as well keep on "fishing".

And over time, becoming addicted to the numbers game (numbers of readers and incoming checks), keeping and cultivating that market becomes the be-all. And so you begin to airstream debate, to shrink from what you might have said before you had an audience. Just to make sure you don't offend anybody, or drive them away. That would reduce your income. In any democratic system, the more you offend, the more votes you lose. So you learn to lie and camouflage and conceal. Most in WN see this as the way to go. I don't. I think we ought to offer what the democratic system does not.


Also..

I know you were referring to SF, but just to make it clear, I have never asked for or accepted a penny from anyone.

And I have never altered the facts to "keep" an audience. I might adjust my delivery, depending on who I am communicating with, but I have never pulled back on the facts in order to keep from "offending" them. As a matter of fact, I have pissed off just about everyone along the way. Which is fine by me, since I don't need anything from them, other than for them to consider my points.

another valid argument I don't want to dismiss:
Yeah, this is the old partyline dogma, and it's wrong. You're worried about being called names. So you're going to bring them over to racism without their realizing you're racist. That will never work. They're not as dumb as you think, and their opposition to you comes from different sources than you realize. Plenty of them don't have to be persuaded that racism is right, we know that from their behavior. Their opposition to you springs out of fear, physical and status, and they won't change until they have a reason to get past that fear, either dire circumstances, such as a social breakdown, or because you have something so wildly attractive they just have to have it. Which is not what the factualists have on tap. There is no word string you can devise, no truther video you can make, that will outweigh the impression made by the ******s in the Denny's video. This stuff is exactly analogous to animals fighting over mating rights, with the masses being the female to be fucked by the winner. The female attitude, and I had one say this to me in exactly these words, and it caused an epiphany, is "if you were right, you'd be running things." This was a high-IQ female too, not even an average or dumb one, a very high-IQ female. It really is that simple. Authority is right because it's authority.

I am not worried about being called "names", I am simply making attempts to cut off the Jewish angles of attack. And to some extent I know it has in fact worked, based on the feedback received and on the transitions I have witnessed take place within individuals that I have reached out to over the years.

The bottom line is that we are not yet in a position to effectively make use of our understanding of the general psychology of the masses. IF we had control over the MSM, then it would be EASY to guide people to REALITY! If the Jews can convince them to accept the most ridiculous of lies, then we would have no problem at all in accomplishing our agenda. BUT we are obviously not in that position yet, so we have to do what we can in the meantime.

Basically, our understanding of the average person and our knowing the power that Jews wield by having this monopoly over the media, currently does NOTHING for us. "IF" and "WHEN" won't do us much good right now. When that time comes, we'll know what to do, AND the task at hand would be relatively easy. We're just not there yet (a painful and obvious fact).

So we need to break down their system by removing one "brick" (person) at a time. Eventually it will all come crashing down, but we just aren't there yet, so more "bricks" need to be removed (enlightened). And make no mistake about it, these "bricks" are what hold it all together for them.

Alex, you are a wise man. My respect for you has multiplied in a short time, and I certainly look forward to continued dialogue and feedback.

An angry paranoid-schizophrenic.



You talking about the paranoid-schizophrenic MuadDib/Quetzalcoatl/M_D/Wayne screen handles again?

Or just Wayne's MuadDib/Quetzalcoatl ones?


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You lying fucktard! You ran like a nigger with a new bike.

I'll admit, you had me hotter than a pair of jumper cables at a nigger picnic!

Ran? Ran where? Now you're lying. You ignored my on-point (http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1199968&postcount=325) replies and rebuttals (http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1199853&postcount=304) and decided to find it more productive to engage in nothing but character-assassination. At least show some backbone and admitt to doing just that.

Heh. Explain the engines then what did they do evaporate? Explain how a
novice pilot can maneuver a multi engine plain in ways 20 year veteran
pilots cant. Oh yes explain WTC7 while your at it the building that committed
suicide.

All points we can discuss in the other thread. Suffice to say, however, parts of the turbine-engine were found, and it doesn't take a masterful pilot go zig-zagging around (not a sign of control, but lack thereof) and crash into one of the worlds largest office buildings. Heck, a person who's never sat behind a plane can land an airliner without problem with the only help being radio-communication. So, someone who's got a license to pilot commercial airliners and 600h of flight simulation shouldn't have a problem with crashing the damn thing.

All points we can discuss in the other thread. Suffice to say, however, parts of the turbine-engine were found, and it doesn't take a masterful pilot go zig-zagging around (not a sign of control, but lack thereof) and crash into one of the worlds largest office buildings. Heck, a person who's never sat behind a plane can land an airliner without problem with the only help being radio-communication. So, someone who's got a license to pilot commercial airliners and 600h of flight simulation shouldn't have a problem with crashing the damn thing.

You sound like you somehow "know" how the 9/11 event was pulled off. How? From Jewish controlled US government controlled sources? From Jewish controlled media sources?

Quite obviously from your statement above - you are not a pilot. "Suffice to say", however, that flying those airplanes at high speeds is quite a bit more complicated than you are attempting to make it seem.

Among other things, there are forces involved. Forces acting on the airframe and forces generated (artificially in this case) through the flight control system to the pilot.

For some reason, you seek to attempt to oversimplify this issue to the uninformed reader.

But you're not fooling the experienced pilot. And you're certainly not fooling the experimental flight test pilot.

I can understand why you would try to bolster the Jewish controlled US government version of events if you are a Jew. However, if you weren't a Jew - at the very least, you'd simply be asking for the issue to be investigated further.

You're not doing that. You have taken up sides with the Jewish controlled US government version of events.

The question is "why"?

Personally, I don't "know" exactly how the event was pulled off. But, due to vast professional experience - I do know that something is wrong with the official Jewish controlled US government version of events.

In the case of flying heavy aircraft into buildings, the professional mission planner would seek to eliminate the "human element" from the equation as much as possible to ensure success. Here, we have 3 supposed "airliners" hitting 3 targets. 2 in New York and 1 in Washington. That's a 100% success rate. Hmmmm.

And yes, it is "possible" that the aircraft were operated remotely.


http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/CID/Small/EC84-31672-A.jpg

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"Before the final flight on December 1, 1984, more then four years of effort passed trying to set-up final impact conditions considered survivable by the FAA. During those years while 14 flights with crews were flown the following major efforts were underway: NASA Dryden developed the remote piloting techniques necessary for the B-720 to fly as a drone aircraft; General Electric installed and tested four degraders (one on each engine); and the FAA refined AMK (blending, testing, and fueling a full size aircraft). The 14 flights had 9 takeoffs, 13 landings and around 69 approaches, to about 150 feet above the prepared crash site, under remote control. "

Since 1984, digital auto-pilot control systems have evolved. In fact, it is easier to "convert" a modern airliner into a "drone" than older designs due to their pre-installed full-authority auto-pilots. All one needs to do is install electronics and software to remotely control the auto-pilot that is already in the aircraft.

Ever heard of this guy?


Here is a name to consider. It’s the name of a rabbi who was also in the Pentagon. He was in fact the comptroller of the Defense Department in the Pentagon. As such he could not account for over Two and a Half Trillion Dollars in 2001, which was admitted by Rumsfeld to Congress the day before 9/11. He also owned a “defense contracting company” (Systems Planning Corporation) that designed and produced remote control equipment for airliners, equipment which would allow the flying and landing of, say, hijacked airliners. With this equipment, a person on the ground or in another airplane could take control of an airliner from the pilots and guide it exactly where he wanted it to go. The name to consider is Rabbi Dov Zackheim, comptroller of the Pentagon, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and a citizen of Israel.

Rabbi Dov Zackheim

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/People/Zakheim.jpg

Dr. Dov S. Zakheim
CEO, Systems Planning Corporation International

Dov S. Zakheim is Corporate Vice President of System Planning Corporation (SPC), a high technology, research, analysis, and manufacturing firm based in Arlington, Virginia. He is also Chief Executive Officer of SPC International Corporation, a subsidiary of SPC that specializes in political, military and economic consulting, and international sales and analysis. In addition, Dr. Zakheim serves as Consultant to the Secretary of Defense and the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy. He is an Adjunct Scholar of the Heritage Foundation, and a Senior Associate of the Center for International and Strategic Studies.

From 1985 until March 1987, Dr. Zakheim was Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Planning and Resources. In that capacity, he played an active role in the Department's system acquisition and strategic planning processes. Dr. Zakheim also guided Department of Defense policy in a number of international economic fora including the US-USSR Commercial Commission; the Caribbean Basin Initiative; and the Canadian-US Free Trade Agreement. He also successfully negotiated numerous arms cooperation agreements with various US allies.


A graduate of Columbia University, New York, where he earned his B.A., Surnma Cum Laude, and was elected to Phi Beta Kappa, Dr. Zakheim also studied at the London School of Economics. Dr. Zakheim earned his doctorate in economics and politics at St. Antony's College, University of Oxford, where he was a National Science Foundation Graduate Fellow, a Columbia College Kellett Fellow, and a post-doctoral Research Fellow. He has served as Adjunct Professor at the National War College, Yeshiva University and at Columbia University. He is currently Presidential Scholar and Adjunct Professor at Trinity College, Hartford, CT.

Dr. Zakheim served for two terms as a Presidential appointee to the United States Commission for the Preservation of America's Heritage Abroad. In 1997 he was appointed by Secretary of Defense Cohen to the Task Force on Defense Reform. In May 1999 Secretary Cohen named him to the first Board of Visitors of the Department of Defense Overseas Regional Schools.

Dr. Zakheim writes, lectures, and provides radio and television commentary on national defense and foreign policy issues both domestically and internationally, including appearances on major US network news telecasts, McNeil-Lehrer Newshour, Larry King Live, BBC Arab and World Service and Israeli, Swedish, and Japanese television. He is an editorial board member of Israel Affairs and of The Round Table (the Commonwealth Journal of International Affairs), and serves on review panels for the Wilson Center for International Scholars, the United States Institute of Peace, and the U.S. Naval Institute. He is the author of Flight of the Lavi: Inside a US.-Israeli Crisis (Brassey's, 1996) (http://www.wrmea.com/component/content/article/174-1996-november-december/2371-book-review-flight-of-the-lavi-inside-a-us-israeli-crisis-.html), Congress and National Security in the Post Cold War Era (The Nixon Center, 1998), and numerous articles and chapters in books. Dr. Zakheim is also a trustee of the Foreign Policy Research Institute; serves on the Board of Directors of Search for Common Ground, and of Friends of the Jewish Chapel of the United States Naval Academy; and is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and other professional organizations. Dr. Zakheim is a member of the advisory boards of the Center for Security Policy, the Initiative for Peace and Cooperation in the Middle East, and the American Jewish Committee.

more
http://www.ndu.edu/inss/symposia/jointops00/zakheim.htm

A Nigger in the Wood Pile...and a Rabbi in the Pentagon

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From a Whitehouse Press Release:

The CEO of SPC
Dr. Dov Zakheim has been nominated to serve as Under Secretary of Defense and Comptroller. He is presently the CEO of SPC International, and in the past he has served as Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Planning and Resources as well as in a variety of Defense Department positions under former President Reagan. He was a member of the Task Force on Defense Reform under then-Secretary of Defense William Cohen and in February of 2000 he was appointed to the Defense Science Board Task Force on the Impact of DoD Acquisition Policies on the Health of the Defense Industry. He has received the Department of Defense Distinguished Public Service Medal; the Bronze Palm to the DoD Distinguished Public Service Medal and the CBO Director's Award for Outstanding Service. A New York native, Dr. Zakheim is a graduate of Columbia University and has also studied at the London School of Economics. He received his doctorate degree from St. Anthony's College at Oxford University.

It was an SPC subsidiary, TRIDATA CORPORATION, that oversaw the investigation after the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in 1993.


A Rabbi With Remote Controlled Airplanes?

http://www.radioislam.net/historia/usa/bilder/dov_zakheim.jpg

And what's this?

Flight Termination System

System Planning Corporation's is proud to offer the Flight Termination System (FTS), a fully redundant turnkey range safety and test system for remote control and flight termination of airborne test vehicles. The FTS consists of SPC's Command Transmitter System (CTS) and custom control, interface, and monitoring subsystems. The system is fully programmable and is flexible enough to meet the changing and challenging requirements of today's modern test ranges.

What Could A Rabbi in the Pentagon Do With Remote Controlled Airplanes Immediately BEFORE 9/11?

http://www.whodidit.org/zakheim2.jpg

I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried.

Zackheim left the Bush Administration in mid-2004.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/images/politics/july-dec06/1109_rums_zakheim1.jpg

Method, Opportunity, Motive.

Here we have a Rabbi who had the method, opportunity and motive for involvement in the destruction of the World Trade Center buildings.

If it were up to you, would you recommend an FBI investigation into Rabbi Zackheim?

Remember, the FBI has no power to prosecute - they can only investigate - and they can only arrest someone on the order of the US Attorney. That power to prosecute is left to the "Justice" Department.

Oh wait...I forgot - the "Justice" department is controlled by Jews.

Somebody needs to grab this asshole and waterboard him. Make him tell us what he did.

Lyin' ass up to his same old bullshit, again?

You sound like you somehow "know" how the 9/11 event was pulled off. How? From Jewish controlled US government controlled sources? From Jewish controlled media sources?


I generally stick with the science of it for most parts, where it tends to be harder to for people to make up crap. You're bringing up many points, I'll try to be brief but at the same time answer most of them.

Quite obviously from your statement above - you are not a pilot. "Suffice to say", however, that flying those airplanes at high speeds is quite a bit more complicated than you are attempting to make it seem.



Yes yes yes. My father's brother was a pilot and plane-mechanic. I also know scores pilots who disagree and state that obviously the given flying would not require expert skills at all. I think this is probably a case of confusing a priori with a postpriori.

Hani was aiming at the largest office building in the world (at least once it was the largest). Each day pilots in large jets aim at a point 750 (or about) down the runway and hit it within feet if they need, or want to. This means crossing the threshold of the runway these pilots are within feet of a 35 foot above the ground imaginary target sitting on the runway. This means Hani was crap, but he managed to drag in his large jet 15 or 25 feet below the 35 foot high target experience pilots hit each day at the end of every runway.

I doubt Hani understood how much plane was below him, thus his eyes, like all pilots, were the aiming origin. Often, when you first land a large jet, you get to level off 20 feet above the ground for a demo, then cut the power back and touch down. Therefore the perception to a new pilot is that he is 20 feet above the runway, while really he is on the runway with his big jet! For argument's sake, I bet Hani meant to center his jet on a wall, that means he missed.
Also, the jet was going over 534 mph when it hit the Pentagon, and the engines were full up. No one knows what Hani is aiming for, I assume he was trying to hit the center of the building wall, so he missed. But what is the point? A kid can fly a 757 and hit that building. Landing is harder than hitting a building and crashing, crashing is easy. Crashing comes for free when most pilots are trying not to.

I can understand why you would try to bolster the Jewish controlled US government version of events if you are a Jew. However, if you weren't a Jew - at the very least, you'd simply be asking for the issue to be investigated further.

You're not doing that. You have taken up sides with the Jewish controlled US government version of events.

The question is "why"?


I swear, the lame analytic-absolutes given by truthers never change, it's always the same; "Agree with me or at least be on the fence, if not you are by default a jew". Get over yourselves and your paranoia of seeing "the jew" behind every possible poster simply because that poster effectively disagrees and challenges you. This behaviour of truthers more often than not reads like a sad and desperate, religious cult.

And yes, it is "possible" that the aircraft were operated remotely.



It certainly isn't probable. There were no such systems on 757/767. It would take major work to remote control a 757/767.
Pilots also inspect the planes before flight and would see a new system installed and refuse to fly the plane. Who would install a remote control system and why? This introduces thousand of people into the plot.
This means they have to ignore phone calls made by passengers saying their aircraft had been hijacked. Plus the pilots can override the autopilot in the 757/767 if a super secret device was put on the plane. Plus the pilots if they did loose control would be able to turn off the engines and take a crash landing. The remote control would be like putting a remote control in your car. It could be done, but who is paying for it. Plus all the other stupid stuff.

Remote Takeover on 9/11: A Critical Analysis (http://www.911myths.com/Remote_Takeover.pdf)

The reasoning here shows that the less evidence there is for a claim, the more likely it is the truther will believe in it.
Official Account: There's the DNA, plane Parts, crash site that qualifies as made by a plane, eye witnesses.

But... truthers say this is a weak case compared to their remote/CIT theory.

Regarding remote/CIT account: there's a handful of witnesses who, after being interviewed several years later and trying to recall an instant in time, provide their recollections and guesses that for some reason make a couple of morons believe the flight path was different.

The CIT/Remote-Truthers call this a solid case, or at least equally probable to what is established.

Mmm indeed.

And what's this?

Flight Termination System

System Planning Corporation's is proud to offer the Flight Termination System (FTS), a fully redundant turnkey range safety and test system for remote control and flight termination of airborne test vehicles. The FTS consists of SPC's Command Transmitter System (CTS) and custom control, interface, and monitoring subsystems. The system is fully programmable and is flexible enough to meet the changing and challenging requirements of today's modern test ranges.



As I've written elsewhere, the problem with this is: there were no such systems on 757/767 and these have mechanical control systems as opposed to electronic ones. There's a thorough and clarifying paper written by an experienced avionics technician which, apart from addressing the technical improbabilities and difficulties, describes another problem for this remote-control theory (http://www.911myths.com/Remote_Takeover.pdf):

Central to many "inside job" 9/11 conspiracy theories is the idea that hijackers weren't controlling the 4 ill-fated flights involved in the attacks. Instead there was some sort of remote system guiding the aircraft to their targets. How might this work? Lets look at the options:

Military tankers fitted as "drones" and disguised to look like AA and UA jets. The problem with this approach is the questions that remain unanswered. What happened to the 4 flights? The passengers and crew? The airplanes themselves? Neither the people nor the airplanes were ever heard from again, that much we do know. A further look at this theory really makes it seem implausible especially since the airlines involved, United and American, would have to be involved in the murders of their employees and customers. Think about this for a moment. What possible motive would these airlines have to do that? Especially since they've lost billions of dollars in the wake of the attacks. United, having lost close to 10 billion dollars itself[16], wallowed in Ch. 11 for 4 years. American has only recently returned to profitability after suffering staggering losses itself, barely escaping bankruptcy.

These airlines had everything to lose and nothing to gain by partaking in a government sponsored terror operation. If you are thinking that only a few fat cats agreeing to this would be all that was necessary, think again.

The pilots are dead - they were not involved. So, if the 4 flights landed safely somewhere else as part of the conspiracy, that’s a pretty neat trick considering the pilots would never agree to be murdered. How did they fly the planes to secret bases against the pilots will? Remote control? I'll go into that in lucid detail a bit later. But wait a minute, if they can control the airplane from the ground, why go to the trouble of military drones then? Why not use the actual flights themselves in the attack?


The paper goes into further depth concerning the technical problems that simply renders the theory not only implausible, but demonstrating that a 757/767 was the worst choice for putting in a remote control function to provide anything near the intended effect. This isn’t the technician’s mere opinion on the matter, but straight from the 757/767 maintenance manuals.

Lyin' ass up to his same old bullshit, again?

That person isn't just lying. They have decided to take up sides along with the Jewish controlled US government position.

Why?

Lyin' ass up to his same old bullshit, again?

Well if by that you mean am I still responding on-point, hoping for something other than one-liner smirks in return from the people who otherwise boast about their truth? Yes that I am. I know it's hopeless, like waiting for you to ever respond on-point after having had your arse handed to you more than once.
No, it's probably safer for you to dream about "da twoof" and keep as far away from enganging in actual debate on it, because you might actually learn something factual.

That person isn't just lying. They have decided to take up sides along with the Jewish controlled US government position.

Why?

That is as dumb as me asking you why you are defending and supporting islamo-fundamentalist terrorist ragheads. Why Pat? Why do you love them so much that you go out of your way to white-wash their deeds as often as you can?

Silly line of reasoning, isn't it?

Jonoleth Stiltskin,

Your reply post is replete with false information.

In truth, those aircraft could have been fitted with remote control systems that would not have been noticed by crew or maintenance people.

You obviously know nothing about flight control systems.

Thanks for clarifying your position with respect to whether or not you are Hasbara.

The casual reader can easily see the feeble tactics of the Hasbara agent Jonoleth Stiltskin.

And they are feeble.

Jonoleth Stiltskin,

Your reply post is replete with false information.

In truth, those aircraft could have been fitted with remote control systems that would not have been noticed by crew or maintenance people.

You obviously know nothing about flight control systems.

Thanks for clarifying your position with respect to whether or not you are Hasbara.

Erhm, clearly you know even less about flight control systems, at least I know what the manual says. :rolleyes:

All points we can discuss in the other thread. Suffice to say, however, parts of the turbine-engine were found, and it doesn't take a masterful pilot go zig-zagging around (not a sign of control, but lack thereof) and crash into one of the worlds largest office buildings. Heck, a person who's never sat behind a plane can land an airliner without problem with the only help being radio-communication. So, someone who's got a license to pilot commercial airliners and 600h of flight simulation shouldn't have a problem with crashing the damn thing.

You sound like you somehow "know" how the 9/11 event was pulled off. How? From Jewish controlled US government controlled sources? From Jewish controlled media sources?

Quite obviously from your statement above - you are not a pilot. "Suffice to say", however, that flying those airplanes at high speeds is quite a bit more complicated than you are attempting to make it seem.

Among other things, there are forces involved. Forces acting on the airframe and forces generated (artificially in this case) through the flight control system to the pilot.

For some reason, you seek to attempt to oversimplify this issue to the uninformed reader.

But you're not fooling the experienced pilot. And you're certainly not fooling the experimental flight test pilot.

I can understand why you would try to bolster the Jewish controlled US government version of events if you are a Jew. However, if you weren't a Jew - at the very least, you'd simply be asking for the issue to be investigated further.

You're not doing that. You have taken up sides with the Jewish controlled US government version of events.

The question is "why"?

Personally, I don't "know" exactly how the event was pulled off. But, due to vast professional experience - I do know that something is wrong with the official Jewish controlled US government version of events.

In the case of flying heavy aircraft into buildings, the professional mission planner would seek to eliminate the "human element" from the equation as much as possible to ensure success. Here, we have 3 supposed "airliners" hitting 3 targets. 2 in New York and 1 in Washington. That's a 100% success rate. Hmmmm.

And yes, it is "possible" that the aircraft were operated remotely.


http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/CID/Small/EC84-31672-A.jpg

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/CID/Small/ECN-31803.jpg


http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/CID/Small/EC84-31805.jpg

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/CID/Small/EC84-31806.jpg

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/CID/Small/ECN-31808.jpg

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/CID/Small/EC84-31809.jpg

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/CID/Small/ECN-28307.jpg


"Before the final flight on December 1, 1984, more then four years of effort passed trying to set-up final impact conditions considered survivable by the FAA. During those years while 14 flights with crews were flown the following major efforts were underway: NASA Dryden developed the remote piloting techniques necessary for the B-720 to fly as a drone aircraft; General Electric installed and tested four degraders (one on each engine); and the FAA refined AMK (blending, testing, and fueling a full size aircraft). The 14 flights had 9 takeoffs, 13 landings and around 69 approaches, to about 150 feet above the prepared crash site, under remote control. "

Since 1984, digital auto-pilot control systems have evolved. In fact, it is easier to "convert" a modern airliner into a "drone" than older designs due to their pre-installed full-authority auto-pilots. All one needs to do is install electronics and software to remotely control the auto-pilot that is already in the aircraft.

Ever heard of this guy?


Here is a name to consider. It’s the name of a rabbi who was also in the Pentagon. He was in fact the comptroller of the Defense Department in the Pentagon. As such he could not account for over Two and a Half Trillion Dollars in 2001, which was admitted by Rumsfeld to Congress the day before 9/11. He also owned a “defense contracting company” (Systems Planning Corporation) that designed and produced remote control equipment for airliners, equipment which would allow the flying and landing of, say, hijacked airliners. With this equipment, a person on the ground or in another airplane could take control of an airliner from the pilots and guide it exactly where he wanted it to go. The name to consider is Rabbi Dov Zackheim, comptroller of the Pentagon, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and a citizen of Israel.

Rabbi Dov Zackheim

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/People/Zakheim.jpg

Dr. Dov S. Zakheim
CEO, Systems Planning Corporation International

Dov S. Zakheim is Corporate Vice President of System Planning Corporation (SPC), a high technology, research, analysis, and manufacturing firm based in Arlington, Virginia. He is also Chief Executive Officer of SPC International Corporation, a subsidiary of SPC that specializes in political, military and economic consulting, and international sales and analysis. In addition, Dr. Zakheim serves as Consultant to the Secretary of Defense and the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy. He is an Adjunct Scholar of the Heritage Foundation, and a Senior Associate of the Center for International and Strategic Studies.

From 1985 until March 1987, Dr. Zakheim was Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Planning and Resources. In that capacity, he played an active role in the Department's system acquisition and strategic planning processes. Dr. Zakheim also guided Department of Defense policy in a number of international economic fora including the US-USSR Commercial Commission; the Caribbean Basin Initiative; and the Canadian-US Free Trade Agreement. He also successfully negotiated numerous arms cooperation agreements with various US allies.


A graduate of Columbia University, New York, where he earned his B.A., Surnma Cum Laude, and was elected to Phi Beta Kappa, Dr. Zakheim also studied at the London School of Economics. Dr. Zakheim earned his doctorate in economics and politics at St. Antony's College, University of Oxford, where he was a National Science Foundation Graduate Fellow, a Columbia College Kellett Fellow, and a post-doctoral Research Fellow. He has served as Adjunct Professor at the National War College, Yeshiva University and at Columbia University. He is currently Presidential Scholar and Adjunct Professor at Trinity College, Hartford, CT.

Dr. Zakheim served for two terms as a Presidential appointee to the United States Commission for the Preservation of America's Heritage Abroad. In 1997 he was appointed by Secretary of Defense Cohen to the Task Force on Defense Reform. In May 1999 Secretary Cohen named him to the first Board of Visitors of the Department of Defense Overseas Regional Schools.

Dr. Zakheim writes, lectures, and provides radio and television commentary on national defense and foreign policy issues both domestically and internationally, including appearances on major US network news telecasts, McNeil-Lehrer Newshour, Larry King Live, BBC Arab and World Service and Israeli, Swedish, and Japanese television. He is an editorial board member of Israel Affairs and of The Round Table (the Commonwealth Journal of International Affairs), and serves on review panels for the Wilson Center for International Scholars, the United States Institute of Peace, and the U.S. Naval Institute. He is the author of Flight of the Lavi: Inside a US.-Israeli Crisis (Brassey's, 1996) (http://www.wrmea.com/component/content/article/174-1996-november-december/2371-book-review-flight-of-the-lavi-inside-a-us-israeli-crisis-.html), Congress and National Security in the Post Cold War Era (The Nixon Center, 1998), and numerous articles and chapters in books. Dr. Zakheim is also a trustee of the Foreign Policy Research Institute; serves on the Board of Directors of Search for Common Ground, and of Friends of the Jewish Chapel of the United States Naval Academy; and is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and other professional organizations. Dr. Zakheim is a member of the advisory boards of the Center for Security Policy, the Initiative for Peace and Cooperation in the Middle East, and the American Jewish Committee.

more
http://www.ndu.edu/inss/symposia/jointops00/zakheim.htm

A Nigger in the Wood Pile...and a Rabbi in the Pentagon

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From a Whitehouse Press Release:

The CEO of SPC
Dr. Dov Zakheim has been nominated to serve as Under Secretary of Defense and Comptroller. He is presently the CEO of SPC International, and in the past he has served as Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Planning and Resources as well as in a variety of Defense Department positions under former President Reagan. He was a member of the Task Force on Defense Reform under then-Secretary of Defense William Cohen and in February of 2000 he was appointed to the Defense Science Board Task Force on the Impact of DoD Acquisition Policies on the Health of the Defense Industry. He has received the Department of Defense Distinguished Public Service Medal; the Bronze Palm to the DoD Distinguished Public Service Medal and the CBO Director's Award for Outstanding Service. A New York native, Dr. Zakheim is a graduate of Columbia University and has also studied at the London School of Economics. He received his doctorate degree from St. Anthony's College at Oxford University.

It was an SPC subsidiary, TRIDATA CORPORATION, that oversaw the investigation after the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in 1993.


A Rabbi With Remote Controlled Airplanes?

http://www.radioislam.net/historia/usa/bilder/dov_zakheim.jpg

And what's this?

Flight Termination System

System Planning Corporation's is proud to offer the Flight Termination System (FTS), a fully redundant turnkey range safety and test system for remote control and flight termination of airborne test vehicles. The FTS consists of SPC's Command Transmitter System (CTS) and custom control, interface, and monitoring subsystems. The system is fully programmable and is flexible enough to meet the changing and challenging requirements of today's modern test ranges.

What Could A Rabbi in the Pentagon Do With Remote Controlled Airplanes Immediately BEFORE 9/11?

http://www.whodidit.org/zakheim2.jpg

I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried.

Zackheim left the Bush Administration in mid-2004.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/images/politics/july-dec06/1109_rums_zakheim1.jpg

Method, Opportunity, Motive.

Here we have a Rabbi who had the method, opportunity and motive for involvement in the destruction of the World Trade Center buildings.

If it were up to you, would you recommend an FBI investigation into Rabbi Zackheim?

Remember, the FBI has no power to prosecute - they can only investigate - and they can only arrest someone on the order of the US Attorney. That power to prosecute is left to the "Justice" Department.

Oh wait...I forgot - the "Justice" department is controlled by Jews.

Somebody needs to grab this asshole and waterboard him. Make him tell us what he did.

Jonoleth Stiltskin,

Say "Israelis are all a bunch of camel turds".

Say it!

Jonoleth Stiltskin,

Say "I believe that the holocaust is a Jewish lie".

Say it!

Jonoleth Stiltskin,

Say "I hate Jews".

Say it bitch!

Jonoleth Stiltskin,

Say "As an Israeli Jew, I would like to make love to a donkey".

Say it!

Who is melting down?

Jonoleth Stiltskin,

Say: "I wish Hitler killed more Jews".

Say it - Jew whore!

Pat, please. Don't do this to yourself.

Pat, please. Don't do this to yourself.

Witzgall, there is no need to engage in debate with Hasbara.

I understand the tactics well.

You talking about the paranoid-schizophrenic MuadDib/Quetzalcoatl/M_D/Wayne screen handles again?

Or just Wayne's MuadDib/Quetzalcoatl ones?
.


Wayne created his SF Quetzalcoatl screen name after his Muad Dib one had been perma banned. No sin in that. Now he's Wayne here.....so big deal

Jonoleth Stiltskin,

We see that you are staying far away from Rabbi Zackheim.

Affinity for Rabbis?


No need to answer. We already know.

That is as dumb as me asking you why you are defending and supporting islamo-fundamentalist terrorist ragheads. Why Pat? Why do you love them so much that you go out of your way to white-wash their deeds as often as you can?

Silly line of reasoning, isn't it?

That Osama bin Laden denied involvement in 9/11 from day one is fact.

That the CIA recently released the TRUTH that they, the CIA, had FAKED the bin Laden tapes in which Osama 'confesses' to planning the attack is FACT.

That is not defending 'ragheads' it is telling the truth.

Well if by that you mean am I still responding on-point,

Respond to this: Show me unqualified and believable evidence of arab/muslim involvement.

Respond to this: Tell me how it is physically plausible for three WTC bldgs to collapse into their own footprints through the path of greatest resistance.

Respond to this: Tell me why the CIA fabricated evidence in the WTC case.

I have more for you, as you know, but we'll get to that later.

Remember Jonoleth,

Arbeit Macht Frie

I must admit - I really enjoyed seeing Jews being maltreated in those phony Speilberg movies.

If only it were true....

The things we have proved on this thread (and the one above) are:
1) Jack Boot is a traitor to WNism.
2) Stormfront is a phony WN site, whose primary purpose is to cover the jews crimes.
3) The government is manipulating flight manifests and lying to the public.
4) There was no tactical response to the so-called hijacked planes and there is absolutely no valid reason for it.
5) The "plane" which hit the Pentagon was in fact a missle.
6) There are jewish/zionist trolls here.
7) Donnie, George and Shitskin are trolls, that have exposed themselves.
8) The WTC was not brought down by fire.
9) Jews committed the 9/11 crimes in criminal conspiracy with members of the U.S. government and possibly others.
10) There exists, in furtherance of the conspiracy, a cover-up of massive proportions.

Please feel free to add any other substantive elements.


The only thing "proven" on this thread is that you don't take being banned from an Internet discussion forum for rules infractions very well, Fred.

Well, and that you don't know how to spell "missile".

Some comments from this very thread that resemble known Jew tactics (this could get quite long, since there's a considerable amount of evidence piled up already):


I personally know for a fact that he is NOT a jew, or a pussy. I have also had several PMs with the man, and have seen his image.

HE IS NOT A JEW!!!

I promise you Gentlemen. I will defend Mr.Boot as vigorously as I will Mr.Hitler.



One anonymous person vouching for and "defending" another. They always have each others back and expect us to take them at their word when they SHOUT it out.

Personally, I believe the same vermin may very well be defaming both men.

Then, once they feel they have established some credibility, they attempt to turn things around on us from that newly founded position they just created out of thin air.

Keep talking shit about SF. It only proves to every White Nationalist, that you are clueless, jealous, or the enemy.

WPWW

They can't allow our points and the facts to speak for themselves. They absolutely must come in and apply false motives to the messengers.

Noticeably angry at us for merely trying to hold people accountable for THEIR behavior, and then hypocritically calling us every name in the book on the back end.

Forget about the things done, by the people they blindly defend, let's just shift the entire focus on those who dare call this BEHAVIOR into question.

The only "proof" to the contrary or rebuttal offered thus far is the word of an anonymous man, and if we don't take him at his word, then we must be "clueless" or "jealous".

Mr.Black, JB, Dr.Duke, Mr.Kelso, and Suepeace know my name, phone number, and where I live. Along with dozens of other WNs. Practically every Mod over there also. I posted it a few times.

I've got nothing to hide. Already lost my job because of this crap. If you weren't such a dick, I'd tell you too. But I'm picky about who I hang with.

Nobody huh? Wait a little bit.



Still waiting, 4 weeks later. How long exactly is a "little bit"?

Trouble maker.

Guess that applies to anyone who dares stand in the way, by calling certain people into question(no matter how suspicious their behavior might in fact be). That seems to be the only requirement for being a "trouble maker".




Pretty sure he'll be here soon to straighten you out.

How long exactly is "soon"?


They are the all powerful puppet masters. Heard they have people everywhere. Including here.



Mockingly exaggerating in an attempt to make us look like "paranoid schizophrenics".

WPWW

Signing off with things like this to create the illusion that they are on "our side".


Dude. You need to switch to decaf. :)

Again, the problem is with us, never with them.




Searched for the KKK in West Palm, and up popped Stormfront.org. Joined up right away, and posted all of my information in my profile. Even had my face as my avatar. After my first day, I realized nobody else had their job, name, and everything on their profiles. Or their family Crest, like I did. I edited it right away.

Stories of what they "once did", a long time ago.


I don't need to prove I'm an Aryan to you. It's already been proven as a fact, to the people that matter to me. My family is well known, and has been documented in detail for Centuries, as PURE blue-bloods!

They never need to "prove" anything. They expect us to take them at their "word" just before they go on to turn things around on us.

You want to question the blood of Mr.Black, Dr.Duke, J. Boot, and myself?

Including themselves in a list of others who were not even questioned along the particular line of questions.

Trust me, we all look much Whiter than you. Mr.Black, and Dr.Duke, each have bright blue eyes, and mine are green. His family has the same color red hair as my Mother, and Sisters, and the very same as in my beard. I passed their inspection, when I sat at the same table as them. Just as they passed mine.

Once again, expecting us to take them at their word.

WE are pure White, I know for sure. YOU are the one that needs a blood test.

You look like you could possibly be a bit mongoloid to me.

Tell me, who's inspection have you passed?

After he believes he has established some credibility with his empty words, he predictably shifts the focus back to the "messenger".



Baseless claims, and lies.


IF they are "baseless claims" and "lies", then why hasn't this anonymous person offered any proof to the contrary? It shouldn't be that difficult to rebut "lies" and "baseless claims", yet he still hasn't even made an attempt at this point. Just empty claims and attacks on the messengers, no real rebuttals even offered.


It almost seems like some here only want to fight, and divide. Almost like they're getting paid to cause problems.


Confessions and projections, based on HIS own obvious "contributions" to the thread.


My stash is red, don't have bushy eyebrows, my nose isn't big at all, and every person you talked shit about in your post, is a fiend of mine.

Simple repetition, meant to compensate for their lack of facts.



It clearly states in the rules for posting, that members ARE NOT to call other members a jew, without proof.

Hiding behind the "rules" and the "law".
&
Making false claims (I never called him a Jew, but HIS behavior is very typically and undeniably Jewish in nature).



My vetting was made by no less than Mr.Black, Dr.Duke, Derek, and more than a dozen other SF members that were present at the meeting. If I looked like a jew, I would have been banned. Was even offered free copies of Dr.Duke's books, but refused, and bought my own. A jew would have taken them.

Some new stories, but the same old repetition of empty claims.


Admin. there has my full name, my family history, and has met me. My Clan has their own website, with our history well laid out in complete detail going back to the 1600s. With my sirname, and Crest found on grave markers in Normandy with dates as far back as 1010 AD.

And then some more.

I am pure Norman, and member of a historical family. Everyone that matters, knows it too.

"Once" more...


Almost every word in your post, is slanderous lies.

"Slanderous lies" are VERY easy to disprove... AND the option to do so is STILL on the table (but only excuses for not doing so will be offered).


Stagedog IS a WHITE man. This I know for a fact.


Here comes another anonymous person to vouch for the 1st anonymous "contributor", using the same empty claims to make his/her point, and expecting that we take his/her word on it.

Say it LOUD and say it OFTEN and we might just fall for it.



You're just a disgruntled member who was banned.

I may have beans in my ears, but you're full of horse manure.

Another false motive...


Go have your big bad boyfriend give you a good whack for being such a twit.

Another insult...


Stormtards bitching about getting booted off Stormfraud.

God I hate fucking Stormfraud, and its feminist bitches, kike-jews, moderators, censorship, homos, white knights complete with mystical nordic warrior/defender of pure Aryan female virtues avatar, ad nauseum.

Fuck all of you fucking crybabies. You knew what the score was over there and went along with it for years. You fucks remind me of the Geico commercial with R. Lee Ermey:

A mocking message that essential tells everyone to just "SHUT UP". Trying to make them feel small for even voicing their concerns while using strong words and even video to hammer this point home.

Of course, if this anonymous person "hated" us so much, then he would simply avoid the thread and move on. But that was clearly not his motivation for "stopping by".



You're full of horse manure by trying to insinuate that you saw me as a member of that group when I have never been a member. You're full of horse manure when you claim I'm a feminist. You're full of horse manure when you claim you're a man who can admit when he is wrong. Lastly, you're full of manure when you claim you sincerely apologize. No my friend, you most certainly have not apologized. You have called me a liar and claimed something that is not true. That's ok though...I never expected you to man up anyway.

More "horse manure".. and a whole lot of it at that.

[shortened in consideration of the length of this post].......

So I am asking everyone to put your pettiness aside when it comes to accepting dykes or fags into this tent. I'm not saying put us up on a pedestal, but I am asking you to respect us as White people. Not for our sakes, but for the sake of the survival of the race.

Do they always have to bring their "gay" talk into every discussion? How about they just keep that to themselves for a change?

Well, let's see how ''the very best of SF'' does here. Soo far, it doesn't look very good. :)

More projection... We are now well over 1,000 comments into this thread and this person has yet to make a single point. Yet somehow, it "doesn't look good" for his opposition?


I suggest you guys get to work, and stop your little pity party.

Again, applying false motives and trying desperately to reduce the whole thing to being nothing more than a "pity party".

You aren't naming the jew in this thread, you're slandering dozens of good WNs. Please stop this nonsense. It's embarrassing, and not very WN like.

"Good WN's" according to THIS anonymous "WN".

Again, asking us to "stop" and doing his best to see to it that the conversation is either stopped or derailed.

The entire community, and our enemies are watching.

No, these "enemies" are doing more than watching, "they" are clearly participating.


WPWW

Convincing "proof" that he is who he claims to be.

"WPWW", "Heil Hitler", "White Power", "Hang the niggers" and "kill the Jews".. He must be White, right?

Don't let your hatred make you blind.


They just love to throw the word "hate" around at any opportunity.

We are "motivated" by "hate". Our "hatred" makes us "blind".


You ain't the Boss of me. I do what I want. :razz

What a profoundly convincing defense.


I've worked in some of the skankyist stripclubs on earth, did homo fest in Key West more than 10 times, went to haiti, (TWICE) done passover, hanauka, a few dozen gigs to raise money for Israel, Fiddler on the Roof, Vagina Monologues, a porno star convention on a cruise ship, and practically every black singer on the planet!

Along with several other gigs that I'm too embarrassed to write in print.

Big deal! In over 20 years in the biz, I never indulged in ANY of the depravity, and NOT ONCE said, or even heard the "C" word at ANY of those gigs in public. (says a lot about a few folks here)

All of this was before my awakening also!

Clear hypocrisies: The fact that it was before his awakening makes it all "OK", but this reasoning doesn't apply when it comes to my being a "race traitor". A what? A "race traitor". Now let's repeat it 1,001 times.

Tell you what. Wish I still had a few of those gigs. I'd do them, and give every nickle to SF.


Guess he hasn't truly learned his lessons.


Say what you want about me. I'm pure White, and pure WN. I've paid, and will continue to pay my dues, and suffer with the rest of you.

He is "pure White", as he has repeatedly CLAIMED throughout this thread. Again, we are left only to take him at his word. As we are with the rest of the obviously pro Jewish "trolls".

Wish we knew who you really are.

Now that's just rich. He apparently "believes" he has somehow established that he is in fact who he claims to be (White) and that we have completely bought into it by now. So based on that empty assumption, he is now calling other people out along the same lines.

You've got a little crap on your nose.

Might want to clean up a bit before you toss his salad.

"Tossing salad"? What kind of a White man talks of "tossing salad"? That's a disturbing thought to have, let alone to use it to attack another White Nationalist.

I suggest you get some boxing gloves. :)

Dude.

You and me Nancy. :)

Ding! Ding!


We need to settle this BS in real life. VNN's best, against SF's best. We get to meet, and connect, make money for the cause, and I get to stomp the shit out of that loudmouth sissy FBI pinhead in front of the entire Wn nation.

Wen, win, win situation. :)

Unless VNN is scared, of course.

We go by regular boxing rules, and regs, and I'll go with anyone in my weight, and age class.

I'll go for the bare knuckle gig if the Admins. approve.

Call me Daddy. :)

A bunch of pointless nonsense over a ridiculous concept that he knows would never come to fruition. Just a pathetic attempt to deflect attention from where it needs to be as he tries his best to reduce the conversation to a playground level.

cont...

The VNNF Nutzpah lounge official word of the day for December 2nd, 2010:


Verbose

ver·bose   /vərˈboʊs/

[ver-bohs]
–adjective
characterized by the use of many or too many words; wordy: a verbose report.



That is all.

Some comments from this very thread that resemble known Jew tactics (this could get quite long, since there's a considerable amount of evidence piled up already):




One anonymous person vouching for and "defending" another. They always have each others back and expect us to take them at their word when they SHOUT it out.



Then, once they feel they have established some credibility, they attempt to turn things around on us from that newly founded position they just created out of thin air.



They can't allow our points and the facts to speak for themselves. They absolutely must come in and apply false motives to the messengers.

Noticeably angry at us for merely trying to hold people accountable for THEIR behavior, and then hypocritically calling us every name in the book on the back end.

Forget about the things done, by the people they blindly defend, let's just shift the entire focus on those who dare call this BEHAVIOR into question.

The only "proof" to the contrary or rebuttal offered thus far is the word of an anonymous man, and if we don't take him at his word, then we must be "clueless" or "jealous".



Still waiting, 4 weeks later. How long exactly is a "little bit"?



Guess that applies to anyone who dares stand in the way, by calling certain people into question(no matter how suspicious their behavior might in fact be). That seems to be the only requirement for being a "trouble maker".




How long exactly is "soon"?



Mockingly exaggerating in an attempt to make us look like "paranoid schizophrenics".



Signing off with things like this to create the illusion that they are on "our side".



Again, the problem is with us, never with them.






Stories of what they "once did", a long time ago.




They never need to "prove" anything. They expect us to take them at their "word" just before they go on to turn things around on us.



Including themselves in a list of others who were not even questioned along the particular line of questions.



Once again, expecting us to take them at their word.



After he believes he has established some credibility with his empty words, he predictably shifts the focus back to the "messenger".





IF they are "baseless claims" and "lies", then why hasn't this anonymous person offered any proof to the contrary? It shouldn't be that difficult to rebut "lies" and "baseless claims", yet he still hasn't even made an attempt at this point. Just empty claims and attacks on the messengers, no real rebuttals even offered.



Confessions and projections, based on HIS own obvious "contributions" to the thread.




Simple repetition, meant to compensate for their lack of facts.





Hiding behind the "rules" and the "law".
&
Making false claims (I never called him a Jew, but HIS behavior is very typically and undeniably Jewish in nature).





Some new stories, but the same old repetition of empty claims.



And then some more.



"Once" more...



"Slanderous lies" are VERY easy to disprove... AND the option to do so is STILL on the table (but only excuses for not doing so will be offered).




Here comes another anonymous person to vouch for the 1st anonymous "contributor", using the same empty claims to make his/her point, and expecting that we take his/her word on it.

Say it LOUD and say it OFTEN and we might just fall for it.





Another false motive...




Another insult...




A mocking message that essential tells everyone to just "SHUT UP". Trying to make them feel small for even voicing their concerns while using strong words and even video to hammer this point home.

Of course, if this anonymous person "hated" us so much, then he would simply avoid the thread and move on. But that was clearly not his motivation for "stopping by".





More "horse manure".. and a whole lot of it at that.



Do they always have to bring their "gay" talk into every discussion? How about they just keep that to themselves for a change?



More projection... We are now well over 1,000 comments into this thread and this person has yet to make a single point. Yet somehow, it "doesn't look good" for his opposition?




Again, applying false motives and trying desperately to reduce the whole thing to being nothing more than a "pity party".



"Good WN's" according to THIS anonymous "WN".

Again, asking us to "stop" and doing his best to see to it that the conversation is either stopped or derailed.



No, these "enemies" are doing more than watching, "they" are clearly participating.



Convincing "proof" that he is who he claims to be.

"WPWW", "Heil Hitler", "White Power", "Hang the niggers" and "kill the Jews".. He must be White, right?



They just love to throw the word "hate" around at any opportunity.

We are "motivated" by "hate". Our "hatred" makes us "blind".




What a profoundly convincing defense.



Clear hypocrisies: The fact that it was before his awakening makes it all "OK", but this reasoning doesn't apply when it comes to my being a "race traitor". A what? A "race traitor". Now let's repeat it 1,001 times.



Guess he hasn't truly learned his lessons.



He is "pure White", as he has repeatedly CLAIMED throughout this thread. Again, we are left only to take him at his word. As we are with the rest of the obviously pro Jewish "trolls".



Now that's just rich. He apparently "believes" he has somehow established that he is in fact who he claims to be (White) and that we have completely bought into it by now. So based on that empty assumption, he is now calling other people out along the same lines.



"Tossing salad"? What kind of a White man talks of "tossing salad"? That's a disturbing thought to have, let alone to use it to attack another White Nationalist.


A bunch of pointless nonsense over a ridiculous concept that he knows would never come to fruition. Just a pathetic attempt to deflect attention from where it needs to be as he tries his best to reduce the conversation to a playground level.

cont...I came by to see what you were up to, and surprise, surprise! :D

Babbling non-stop.

I think it may be time for you to actually do something, besides attacking real WNs.

Weirdo.

Admin. here has my full name in my E-mail address, and knows who, and where I am. That's all that matters to me, so go back to doing what you do ALL DAY. Which from the looks of things, is nothing.

Everyone notice how I haven't posted in this thread in awhile, yet this Scott guy needs to keep calling me a jew?

I picture a fat, bald loser sitting around on disability, pounding away at the keyboard all day.


Sad really.

This one is for you.


WPWW


Might wanna try it sometime loser.

The VNNF Nutzpah lounge official word of the day for December 2nd, 2010:


Verbose

ver·bose   /vərˈboʊs/

[ver-bohs]
–adjective
characterized by the use of many or too many words; wordy: a verbose report.



That is all.

and yet there's more.. Hint: you can simply skip past it




If I need any posting pointers from a race traitor Scott, you'll be my first call.

You tell me you're a race traitor, I'm going to believe you.

So let me make this perfectly clear to you Scott Traitor Roberts.

You need to be able to trash SF and WN's on SF to make yourself feel better about what you are...a race traitor.


4 times.. and counting....

Keep fiddling Nero. :)

Play it louder. I LOVE this tune.

Everybody play!

Maybe the noise will drown out the screams. We'll definitely need a brass section. No need to know an instrument, or anything. Just start making noise.

And'a one, and'a two... :D

It's all one big "joke" and he is just "playing". Let's not talk about 9/11, let's just play and argue like children.


LOL...Married to a non-white=race traitor IMO.

He's still a race traitor IMO.




If you want to be friends with a race traitor, then go right ahead.


When Scott Traitor Roberts has the gall to trash SF and SF members the way he does, then I'll call him the race traitor he is, whether you like it or not. :)

You admitted to being a race traitor Scott.
I say you're a race traitor.

Yeah, I think you're a race traitor

8more times...



There have been very few posts you've made, that even slightly resembled ANY White Nationalist point of views.

Are you sure you are even in the right place still?

Is would appear as though he is asking this question to himself.


A race traitor and a liar...why am I not surprised.

No I didn't. I said he's a race traitor who trashes SF every chance he gets IMO.


2 more times..

Jake's comment was funny. Yours is offensive, and idiotic.

Hope you get some sort of disciplinary action. I've reported your post.

Probably not though. Seems ANYTHING goes here.

Idiots.

Calling us all "idiots" and returning as often as possible in order to do so.



EXACTLY like the Jerry Springer show.

This place is an embarrassment to the White race.

Thanks in no small part to YOU and the "contributions" you have made. Not a single post worth reading yet, but here you are criticizing others for the "embarrassing show" that you have been putting on.

So now I'm a jew homo moron?

LOOOOZAS!!! :D

I'm guessing you are SCREAMING jews, that are on the payroll to turn good White folks away.

You guys are really earning your money.

Bet that's where all the fancy smilies came from. T.J.B.

This whole place stinks of Zionist BS. T.J.B.

I know! I've been around them for decades. T.J.B.


If REAL White men ran this place, they'd put a leash on you looozas! :)


Bet half you freaks are nigras! :D

Yes, we are all "nigras" and we are the ones who are "stinking" the place up.

Baseless claims that better describe your "contributions" than anyone else who has participated in this thread.

loooza! :)

t.j.b.

Another profoundly moving post.


To prove it, I am working my hardest to remove those Vermin from power, and the second I get permission, they will be dropping like flies!

''Death to Israel!''

''Death to the Zionists!''

''Those beanie wearing scum will pay dearly!''

''The holocaust is the world's biggest scam ever!'' NEVER HAPPENED!

''Those freaks will be removed from the planet completely this time!''

Sieg Heil!

Even decorated a cake for Mr.Hitler last year. I don't even celebrate my own birthday! I'm already planning for next April. Let's see your cake pictures.

And that's "proof"?

Good enough? Now please stop accusing me, and SF Admin. of being jews, or their puppets. BECAUSE WE'RE NOT!

Actions speak a whole hell of a lot louder than words.

Do you think I would care if everyone here stated calling me a "Jew"?

1st of all, there would be no credibility in such claims, but either way it wouldn't derail my efforts. So why do you care so much about being called a "Jew"...and more importantly, IF you care so much about it, you could very easily prove otherwise. Yet despite the empty claims and false promises you have given throughout this thread, we are still left with nothing but your word and a whole lot of contradictory evidence to judge you on.


Now back off, you paranoid weirdo.

You have NO IDEA how off putting, and trollish you are being.


more simple projection.



I don't need to prove anything to you guys anyway. I know what team I'm on.


Then why are you still desperately trying to "prove" yourself, if you don't care?

You ain't the Boss of me. :razz

You ain't the boss of me either. :razz

That much has already been established.

Maybe you should lighten up a bit Francis.

Try switching to decaf.

Of course I should, because the problem is not the Jews and all they have done, the problem is with "me". Right.. we get it.

A job might help also.

This "suggestion" coming from someone who admitted he was collecting unemployment?




Just gets weirder by the day.

And here you are making sure to do your part in making it "weird".


Are any of you guys listening to the Derek Black show? They named the jew AGAIN today. Listen to a single show, and then tell me they work for the jews. Saying so, is simply retarded, and is only former members acting out, because of feeling betrayed. In my opinion.

SOME truth must be admitted or there would be NO credibility at all. So this is an obviously moot point.

And of course you are right, this isn't about THEIR behavior, it is entirely about the false motives you are desperately trying to apply to us, throughout this thread.


I haven't read one single bad word here about Dr.Duke. I assume most here, respect, and admire the man. (As we all should) IF Stormfront was influenced by jews, why would he post there? I've seen him, and Mr.Black shake hands, and talk about how much they respect each other. Not in a video either. Up close, with my own eyes, and ears.

Dr.Duke names the jews non-stop. As do many Stormfront members.

What they do not do, and what is obviously not permitted on SF, is to connect the Jews to 9/11.

All of the claims made about Mr.Boot, and Mr.Black, are baseless, and unsubstantiated. As are the ones about myself also.

Then prove it! It should be easy enough to do.


Weirdos. :razz

Yes, you already said that, several times.

This is kind of amusing.

For folks who hate SF so much, they sure spend a lot of time over there.


And here you are joining them throughout.

Glad you find it "amusing".


Interesting.

Do you plan to stop posting on SF now?

That would mean giving up, which is simply not an option. Sorry. Not going to be that easy for you.


It has been about 5 hours since the above quoted words were posted at Stormfront, by the poster "Jack Boot." I am not surprised that all the "Jack Boot is a jew" posters here haven't acknowledged it.

Close the thread fellows, and save whatever self respect you might still have.

__________________



Can't believe this POS, slanderous thread is still going on. I thought for sure that you men would have gone onto more important things, than talking non-stop shit about our leaders.

After about 50 consecutive comments that were actually ON topic and constructive, here comes "Stonewall" and our friend "Wolfgang" to essentially beg us to "shut it down". They obviously don't want us to discuss these things and have done their best to divert the conversation and would love nothing more than to have us "close the thread" and be done with it. Yet they keep on coming back to it themselves.


You hypocrites have no right talking about SF Admin

Sounds like: You Gentiles have no right talking about Jews.




Don't think for a second, that when we get our White nation, that all of this crap will be forgotten.

Our real Admin. knows more about you than you think.

WPWW
Of course they just can't stop themselves from making threats.



Dumb is debatable. Poor I ain't.

A clear demonstration of ethnomorphism. Jews just can't help but bragging about their money.

http://theforbiddentruth.net/10666-ethnomorphism-value-money.html

Why are you people still arguing about Stormfart?

There are more important things to think about, you know.

Then go "argue" them.


From what he says, it don't matter what I say here. he's such a good troll, that he will win. Trust me Scott. If I can see that you're being a troll, most of the other folks here will also notice. Just as I said before, THERE IS NO PROOF OF ANY WRONG DOING ON SF ADMINISTRATION'S PART! NONE!


Projection...
&
EMPTY CLAIMS


I really hope the guys over at Voice Of Reason continue to focus on being the new movement, instead of getting involved in (overwhelmingly anonymous) petty Internet forum bullshit.

"Petty", yet here you are actively participating in it yourself. Which obviously lends NO credibility to your claim. Try stating such a thing someplace OTHER than a thread you have actively participated in.

Curious if any of the truthers who spend their days trying to convince folks

"Truthers" is obviously a term that the Jews have used to discredit anyone who dares to question the official version. Going so far as to lead the dissent (Alex Jones, etc..) in order to lump us all in there together. Yet you have no problem referring to us in the exact same manner.


and anyone asserting it would look as foolish and inexperienced as the typical "truther", but close to 100% certainty.

Just calling us "truhers" was not enough, you had to call us "foolish truthers" to make your point.

Please point out where I am defending the Jews. Pack a lunch Sparky, 'cause it's going to be a long search.

Not that I owe you shit, but my personal opinion is that WN is done a huge disservice by association with the Roswell-like vibe that I get from many of those who are proponents of the "9/11 was an inside job" crowd.

It's going to be a "long search", simply because you have made several sly efforts to do so throughout this thread.

And of course, you are now playing along and lumping all who dare to question the facts as being "Roswell like" and then mocking us with the Alex Jones "9/11 was an inside job" B.S.

You aren't "defending Jews" so much as you are using their tactics and slander against the "official" opposition.


Wow. Tell this to your fellow truthers.

Of course it must be repeated: "Truthers", "Truthers", "Truthers".... "inside job", "inside job", "Alex Jones".

Just lump "us" altogether. We've witnessed that theme over and over again:
ALL White people are the same. ALL "racists" are the same. All "truthers" are the same too, right?



I just don't believe the whole "9/11 was an inside job" scenario has been proven at all.

And once again.. of course.

Who said anything about it being an "inside job"? Other than Alex Jones and the like. I don't hear too many White Nationalists claiming that (and the ones who do are highly suspect). Either way, we certainly can't all be lumped together, despite your efforts to do so.

BTW - the "official" version has not been "proven at all" either. Yet here you are standing firmly behind it. For reasons we can only assume.


So you believe the 37 calls were faked?

Now we have several pages of back and forth over the ambiguous topic of the "37 calls". Calls which COULD have been fake JUST as easily as they COULD have been real. There are COUNTLESS other points that are more worthy of discussion, but those topics are being ignored.


You're a joke.

Fuck you, nutbar.

And "somehow" the conversation has been reduced to this.

Note: Jews will often take up both sides of an argument for that very purpose(to put on a "show" and distract us). Not saying that YOU or those you are arguing with are Jews, but this IS a common tactic.


And I'm getting sick and tired of the baseless insinuations that I am a Jew because I don't fall in line with your various dubious 9/11 theories.

And we are getting "sick and tired" of being lumped in with Alex Jones and referred to as "truthers". But that's not stopping you.

The plane that hit the pentagon was actually a missile in disguise. The other "planes" were actually drones. There were no passengers on these so-called planes. They were packed full of thermite.

Sarcasm, at it's worse.


You truther scum are all jokes. You contradict yourselves at every turn. The reason no one listens to you is you are fucking incoherent.

White Nationalists who question the "official" JEW version of 9/11 are "scum".


Flip-flop Fred couldn't decide which one of his meds to take today. We see the unfortunate result.

Of course, because this is all about us and our "meds" and doesn't have a "damn thing to do with the facts".


So when did you stop beating your wife, Fred?

Way to prove that the "official" version of 9/11 is accurate.


And they wonder why this thread is in 'Nutz.

Lies and more lies.

Fred's unhinged antics deserve a mercy tarding.

I'll post whatever I want where I want when I want, btw.

I deeply regret his banning of those 11 "veterans".

Primarily because now they are here.

YOU could simply avoid the thread, IF that was your only concern.


You're mad.

When a so called "truther" (a label that is just as bad as calling someone a "Jew") brings up the USS Liberty, he is labeled as being "crazy" or "mad".

Continued later, since I am certain they cannot control themselves and will resort to the same tactics as always.

I came by to see what you were up to, and surprise, surprise! :D

Babbling non-stop.

I think it may be time for you to actually do something, besides attacking real WNs.

Weirdo.

Admin. here has my full name in my E-mail address, and knows who, and where I am. That's all that matters to me, so go back to doing what you do ALL DAY. Which from the looks of things, is nothing.

Everyone notice how I haven't posted in this thread in awhile, yet this Scott guy needs to keep calling me a jew?

I picture a fat, bald loser sitting around on disability, pounding away at the keyboard all day.


Sad really.


Look who shows up within minutes.... to repeat the same worthless nonsense (evidenced by the "babbling" in the post above).

you picture a fat, bald, loser, as if you haven't seen me before. this after commenting on my looks earlier in this thread.


Disability? after admitting that you were unemployed and relying on unemployment, you still have the nerve to suggest that I am collecting disability? lol

This one is for you.


WPWW


Might wanna try it sometime loser.

put it in bigger font, then repeat it again.. perhaps we might believe you then.

Avoid this unintentionally hilarious cluster-fuck of a thread, Scott?

Why on Earth would I do that?

You seem to labor under the delusion that you are somehow imparting insightful truths in this thread, when the actual truth is that campaigning through one of your manifestos is akin to reading Milton.

It's long and difficult, and in the end you wonder why you ever did it.

And lastly, someone tell me who the hell is Scott Roberts? :confused:

And lastly, someone tell me who the hell is Scott Roberts? :confused:

As soon as you tell us who the hell "Donnie" in "Ohio" is and what his agenda might be..

I'll check back in tonight or over the weekend.. maybe we'll have that sorted out by then.

BTW - my eyes were also hurt while reading the quotes I made from people such as yourself

As soon as you tell us who the hell "Donnie" in "Ohio" is and what his agenda might be

I'll check back in tonight.. maybe we'll have that sorted out by then.


Well, I'm a Virgo if that helps.

Sort away, Dude.

Scott, is it true you procreated with an Indian lady, that you have non-white kids?

As soon as you tell us who the hell "Donnie" in "Ohio" is and what his agenda might be..


I might be wrong, but I suspect "Ohio" refers to the State of Ohio.

Scott, is it true you procreated with an Indian lady, that you have non-white kids?


Orly?

Wagon-Burner Indian or "Would you like some beef jerky with your lottery tickets?" sort of Indian?

Scott, is it true you procreated with an Indian lady, that you have non-white kids?

No, now run along you disease ridden sodomite.

Orly?

Wagon-Burner Indian or "Would you like some beef jerky with your lottery tickets?" sort of Indian?

More like Dutch with a little taint.

Why do you scumbags always bring up his family - is it because you have no argument?

Orly?

Wagon-Burner Indian or "Would you like some beef jerky with your lottery tickets?" sort of Indian?

I don't want to spread misinformation. I heard it on Jett and Jahn, so I will just wait for Scott to respond.

I might be wrong, but I suspect "Ohio" refers to the State of Ohio.


No fucking way, dude, aren't you a bright one. :rolleyes:

More like Dutch with a little taint.

Why do you scumbags always bring up his family - is it because you have no argument?


I didn't bring his family up, but if he is married to a non-White and has non-White children, you don't think that is relevant? (It happens, ala Melcur)

But as George said, I will wait for Scott to respond, as I honestly had never even heard of the man before this thread and I don't want to assume anything on hearsay.

Scott, is it true you procreated with an Indian lady, that you have non-white kids?

More worthless jewspeak, nothing of any substance whatsoever from you, donnie or shitskin, just a continual flow of unending jewspeak and shit-breath and not a single post which could even be considered contributary.

Only jews are so focused on destroying 9/11 threads. Deny it if you can.

Scott, great effort and good work. Thanks.

Donnie, George & Shitskin have been exposed over & over in this thread, but they refuse to allow anyone to speak against their jew criminal brethern.

I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT COULD BE MORE CLEAR THAN THEIR M.O. BEING PURELY JEW.

Donnie, George & Shitskin have been exposed over & over in this thread, but they refuse to allow anyone to speak against their jew criminal brethern.


How am I preventing you from speaking, Fred?

I'm curious: How many times were you banned from Stormfront?

Respond to this: Show me unqualified and believable evidence of arab/muslim involvement.

Respond to this: Tell me how it is physically plausible for three WTC bldgs to collapse into their own footprints through the path of greatest resistance.

Respond to this: Tell me why the CIA fabricated evidence in the WTC case.

I have more for you, as you know, but we'll get to that later.

Now, back on topic.

Answer the questions.

More worthless jewspeak, nothing of any substance whatsoever from you, donnie or shitskin, just a continual flow of unending jewspeak and shit-breath and not a single post which could even be considered contributary.

Only jews are so focused on destroying 9/11 threads. Deny it if you can.

Scott, great effort and good work. Thanks.

Donnie, George & Shitskin have been exposed over & over in this thread, but they refuse to allow anyone to speak against their jew criminal brethern. by Fred

Makes you wonder what motivates the pro-heeb squad to keep posting and keep supporting the Zionist 911 myth? Is it thread disruption, hatred of the the WN (like Jack-jewboot), tribal loyalty or are they being paid?

That is as dumb as me asking you why you are defending and supporting islamo-fundamentalist terrorist ragheads. Why Pat? Why do you love them so much that you go out of your way to white-wash their deeds as often as you can?

Silly line of reasoning, isn't it?

Based on whose words, the jewish controlled media? The jewish controlled media and ZOG puts the blame on Muslims, so you're arguing that those who refuse to believe that ragheads with boxcutters did it are actually defenders and supporters of Islam?

That doesn't make any fucking sense, because it was the jew-controlled media and ZOG which put the blame on Muslims in the first place. Ergo, we don't believe the ZOG version, therefore we don't believe that Muslims did it, therefore we aren't 'defenders of Muslims' because we don't believe they were involved because we consider the source [i.e. ZOG].

You are here defending the ZOG version, which is what makes you suspicious.

So nice try but that was a failed line of reasoning.

My position is that ZOG lies, constantly, and 9/11 is no exception. Those who can't see that are either stupid, or have an agenda.

Originally Posted by Jonoleth Shitskin
That is as dumb as me asking you why you are defending and supporting islamo-fundamentalist terrorist ragheads. Why Pat? Why do you love them so much that you go out of your way to white-wash their deeds as often as you can?

Silly line of reasoning, isn't it?

I told shitlskin already that I support the sand nigger ragheads in their war against the jew, he supports the yids. Like George bush said, "Your either with us heebs , or against us". Easy choice for me.:D

homosexuality is completely healthy and, in fact, better than heterosexuality.
by George Witzallstein

You can't say their isn't free speech at VNN, even the queers are represented.

I didn't bring his family up, but if he is married to a non-White and has non-White children, you don't think that is relevant? (It happens, ala Melcur)

But as George said, I will wait for Scott to respond, as I honestly had never even heard of the man before this thread and I don't want to assume anything on hearsay.

This topic has been discussed at length starting here (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=1193667#post1193667).

His ex-wife was something like 1/64th Injun, but the rest Dutch. His kids are White enough in my opinion, fuck the little prepubescent twits like Jeth and Jahn and their gay videos.

I thought they were just extremely immature before, but now I see their staunch supporters of ZOG as well.

"Durr, what difference does it make who did 9/11, we're still in Iraq and Afghanistan, durrr"

This was their fucking argument! We're still in the M.E. you fucking twits because the sheeple swallowed the official bullshit whole. If it were proven for a fact, beyond a shadow of a doubt that Israel/Jews/Mossad masterminded and pulled off 9/11 along with governmental complicity - then perhaps our fucking military would say fuck you to ZOG and things will begin to happen in our favor. But we can't expect a bunch of prepubescent twits with cracking voices to think outside the box [i.e. talmud-o-vision] now can we?

I don't want to spread misinformation. I heard it on Jett and Jahn, so I will just wait for Scott to respond.

My EX was Dutch and American Indian. The exact percentage, I do not know, but MOST of her family is from Holland (and no, not 1st generation). Something I disclosed in the very beginning and the pictures of her and my kids have been displayed for all to see and judge for themselves. Here's a picture of one of my daughters: http://theforbiddentruth.net/members/scott-albums-personal-pics-picture2893-my-eldest-daughter.html If she's not "White enough", then so be it. Video showing my son and another daughter: http://theforbiddentruth.net/videos/83/war.html If they aren't "White enough", then fine. Condemn us to suffer outside of any future White Nationalists borders. I am more than willing to fight for the rest of you from beyond the "walls", since this is NOT about me.

I have spent an arm and a leg doing all possible DNA tests and spent time living in the land of my ancestors while exploring my heritage (the only flags I have hanging are the two I brought back with me from Scotland and Ireland). In any case, everyone can see me and judge for themselves. I have only made about 20,000 minutes of video. So if someone wants to suggest that I am "African", then so be it, but true Celts everywhere should be offended by this..whereas I am well beyond being offended by it at this point.

Yes, I was born and raised in Perrine Florida. Which is a very shitty suburb of Miami that was at least 90% non White. And yes, my friends were all Cuban or Black when I was growing up (sorry, but I wasn't a hermit). Not to mention some of the jobs I have had working as a counselor/teacher/principal with a bunch of non White kids, students and co workers (a man has to earn a living somehow). You'll have to take this issue up with my father, who's only real fault in life was to raise his kids in such a "multicultural" hell hole. Why? Because he was too damn stubborn and prideful to leave after my family had been there for several generations. Something I did right away, upon having my "awakening" (I haven't gone back since, even to visit).

Did I ever TOUCH a Black girl? No. Not once, since I didn't have the desire. Did I "settle" for Cuban girls? Yes, I did. But in case you didn't realize it, Spanish girls are from Spain, and Spain is in Europe.

Had I been fortunate enough to have a racially aware father OR had the age of the internet come about a decade or two sooner, then I never would have settled at all. Did I "settle", based on my CURRENT standards, when I met my wife back in the early 90's? Yes, I did. But based on what I had to choose from and where I came from, a bit of Indian "taint" didn't seem like much of a "compromise" back then. Moving forward I am settling for nothing less than the purest of White ladies I can find, being that I am now single and a whole lot wiser.

Will I abandon my children or cut off communication with my ex or some of my childhood friends, because some of YOU might not approve? Of course not. 4 of my 5 children have blond/red hair and green/blue eyes and you would have been none the wiser had I not voluntarily disclosed these personal matters a long time ago. But I am not one to conceal the truth, even if it means I will be forced to respond to this B.S. from now until the day I die. So be it.

BTW - who the hell are Jett and Jahn? Does anybody know? Because I don't know them and based on their little radio show, they don't know a damn thing about me either. They simply took a little bit of self disclosed truth and ran with it as far as they possibly could. Like I said, there are videos floating around where SOME of the pics are real images of me, my kids, and my friends, but MOST are full of images of people I have never met and kids I have not fathered. Yeah, I have my arms around some of the Black girls I used to work with, posing for a picture, but does that mean I was sleeping with them? Of course not, but that's what they try to imply.

They also suggest that I am part "African", while simultaneously calling me a "race traitor".. Well, it would obviously have to be one or the other, it couldn't possibly be both.

Satisfied with my reply? Want more personal information about me? I don't have a damn thing to hide, so I take no issue with it whatsoever. So long as we can eventually get past it and onto the relevant points. Besides, it has ALL been voluntarily disclosed a LONG time ago. It appears as though I will have to stop and deal with this for the rest of my time in this "movement" (or whatever the hell you want to call it). Fine... It's just a necessary evil, I suppose.

I will eventually be judged by my body of work (rightfully so), and I only have the test of time to pass (I won't be pulling any "180's" in my lifetime). What anonymous people or even real life White Nationalists think of me or my past will hardly even matter, when all is said and done....OR at any point along the way, since I don't ask for or accept donations, I am not looking to lead anyone or anything, and I damn sure don't have any political aspirations. So there is nothing to "sell" and no one to "please". I am free to tell it like it is, and on the back end the only thing people can do is to call me a "racist" or a "race traitor". When the facts get twisted, I will set the record straight on occasion(naturally), but ultimately I can live with it (otherwise I would have never bothered to disclose this information voluntarily).

I have only been aware a few short years. But during that limited time, I have put forth as much effort into this cause as ANYONE. I can't go back on the past, but I can certainly make a difference moving forward... and I will continue doing that no matter what people say about me along the way. My heart is true, MY blood is pure, and my body of work speaks for itself.

OK.. Back to the topic at hand? The behavior of the SF brass AND 9/11.

BTW - I am going to start working closely with Mike Delaney. He's talking about hosting our 1st radio show next week (1st in awhile at least) to talk about 9/11. I wonder what type of slander the "official" story and Jew defending trolls will attempt to use against him? Perhaps some of you will join us to discuss the FACTS? The phone lines will be open to all. Mike knows a lot more about 9/11 than I do, so fire away.

This one is for you.


WPWW


Might wanna try it sometime loser.

Is this all you do? Is this what they sent you here from SM for? :o

Based on whose words, the jewish controlled media? The jewish controlled media and ZOG puts the blame on Muslims, so you're arguing that those who refuse to believe that ragheads with boxcutters did it are actually defenders and supporters of Islam?

That doesn't make any fucking sense, because it was the jew-controlled media and ZOG which put the blame on Muslims in the first place. Ergo, we don't believe the ZOG version, therefore we don't believe that Muslims did it, therefore we aren't 'defenders of Muslims' because we don't believe they were involved because we consider the source [i.e. ZOG].

You are here defending the ZOG version, which is what makes you suspicious.

So nice try but that was a failed line of reasoning.

My position is that ZOG lies, constantly, and 9/11 is no exception. Those who can't see that are either stupid, or have an agenda.

Great post.

Let them speak - they identify themselves that way.

Avoid this unintentionally hilarious cluster-fuck of a thread, Scott?

Why on Earth would I do that?

You seem to labor under the delusion that you are somehow imparting insightful truths in this thread, when the actual truth is that campaigning through one of your manifestos is akin to reading Milton.

It's long and difficult, and in the end you wonder why you ever did it.

And lastly, someone tell me who the hell is Scott Roberts? :confused:

You're right on one thing: those two posts were excessively long. I opened up a window several days ago and added quotes and responses to it periodically. IF the admin wants to delete them both, they are welcomed to. The points were redundant anyway.

I didn't bring his family up, but if he is married to a non-White and has non-White children, you don't think that is relevant? (It happens, ala Melcur)

But as George said, I will wait for Scott to respond, as I honestly had never even heard of the man before this thread and I don't want to assume anything on hearsay.

I'll be the 1st to admit that is IS relevant! Otherwise, I wouldn't have felt the need to disclose it to the WN community in the very beginning. Disclose, not excuse. But it would have damn sure been "easier" to just keep it to myself, if only I was a secretive kind of guy looking for the easy way out.

But should it be brought up EVERY TIME I make a point or speak on European interests or to the White Nationalist community? Which as I pointed out, that IS the only time it is brought up (at all other times I am just a "racist"). For YEARS the SF brass had NO issue with it, until I said the "wrong" things. Now they repeat it over and over again.

BTW - I never referred to myself as a White Nationalist for this very reason. I'm just a White guy who is stating the facts and sharing my opinion. Shoot the messenger if you feel such a need to do so.

One day.. hopefully sooner than later.. I will find it unnecessary to respond to the subject of my past. Certain people will continue bending the truth and attempting to use it against me no matter what, especially when talking about things such as 9/11. I just need to realize it and move on. Live and learn.

Well, gentlemen, I intend to ignore donnie and george and will only speak to the substance within the answers by shitskin.

You play that game if you want to, I'm just not that into it.

Scott , that was one thought provoking vid....Brilliant

Based on whose words, the jewish controlled media? The jewish controlled media and ZOG puts the blame on Muslims, so you're arguing that those who refuse to believe that ragheads with boxcutters did it are actually defenders and supporters of Islam?

That doesn't make any fucking sense, because it was the jew-controlled media and ZOG which put the blame on Muslims in the first place. Ergo, we don't believe the ZOG version, therefore we don't believe that Muslims did it, therefore we aren't 'defenders of Muslims' because we don't believe they were involved because we consider the source [i.e. ZOG].

On 9/11 of this year the major news networks re-played all of the footage they ran on 9/11/01. It was fascinating to watch as the story of what happened to the Pentagon changed as the day went on and conflicting reports arrived. The first story said that it was a bomb, and the next said that it was a missile. Finally they settled on airliner.

But, anyway, the jewsmedia already had their man in place, Ehud Barak, blaming it all on Osama Bin Laden.

Now, ask yourself these questions: Why did the jew suggest such a thing even before the passenger lists had been released? He didn't even know there were any Arabs on the plane, much less if they were working for the boogieman living in a cave in Afghanistan. How much of a credible investigation could there have been even before the dust settled, or even before the bodies were cold? How did he "know"?

The jew was lying, implanting a false story so that the US would do the work in Israel that the jews are too cowardly to do themselves.

And Dovie From Israel chimes in...

"Avoid this unintentionally hilarious cluster-fuck of a thread, Scott?"

Since when did exposing sociopathic Jews and their servants ever become a "hilarious cluster fuck"? I mean your worthless posts, muttgangs, Ann2's and other kosher pro jew trolls posts are certainly hilarious in a pathetic way but the rest of the thread is incredibly informative and insightful as far as revealing how very deep jewish subversion goes even to the point of taking over or starting up pseudo white nationalist websites in order to control the dissent.

"Why on Earth would I do that?"

Gotta keep your masters happy and keep those sheckels rolling in maybe?

JewBoot and Don Black do the same thing so why not you?

"You seem to labor under the delusion that you are somehow imparting insightful truths in this thread"

He is.

Thats all that he spends his time doing.

Spreading the truth along with facts meanwhile his enemies (you, the jews, related jew supporters) spend all of your time attacking the messenger because the facts are not on your side. You can't refute Scott's facts so you spend all your time on distractions and trying to attack him for this or that irrelevant triviality. Anything to take the focus off of yourselves and what the Jews as a whole are doing to the world.

"when the actual truth is that campaigning through one of your manifestos is akin to reading Milton."

The only problems with Scott's delivery is just a few minor things here and there, for example he should probably introduce himself in each video or have someone introduce him so that when his videos are spread out to the general public on DVD's they immediately learn his name and can thus gain a sense of who to search for online if they want to learn more and see more of what he's all about, the second problem is he may tend to drag out a point too long for the average attention span of today's ADD suffering American public. Those are the only two pieces of legitimate criticism anyone can really bring to the table against Scott. Anything else is distraction based rubbish especially considering that he's already explained everything else about himself that anyone might want to know ad nauseum and is an open book to new people just discovering him and his message for the first time.

"It's long and difficult, and in the end you wonder why you ever did it."

Well don't let your problems with Scott trouble you any further then.

Find another site or forum to waste your time on that would be more appealing to you.

http://www.thejidf.org/

Here I'll help you out.

That site there is more your speed than something like VNN.

"And lastly, someone tell me who the hell is Scott Roberts?"

The most censored man ever on Youtube, the man feared by the Jewish Internet Defense Force like no other, a man who Jews fear so much they continually hurl nasty threats at, have their fellow banking jews mess with his credit cards, mail box's of shit to him in typical disgusting cowardly jew fashion.

Scott Roberts is an emerging and true leader in the White Nationalist movement.

Something of which you're clearly not a part of.

So again why punish yourself?

http://www.thejidf.org/

Let Rabbi Coder welcome you to your new home.

Just be sure to drop a few dozen sheckels in his pocket taking care to avoid the kosher pickles as you do.

Scott , that was one thought provoking vid....Brilliant

Sorry for having to ask, but which one? Hopefully you are not referring to the Jett and Jahn show. lol

Well, gentlemen, I intend to ignore donnie and george and will only speak to the substance within the answers by shitskin.

You play that game if you want to, I'm just not that into it.

That's the approach we should have all taken about 50 pages back. I suggested it, but didn't take my own advice (shame on me).

They know how to get under our skin and elicit a response from us, that's for sure. And even our best intentions get turned around on us by simply acknowledging them.

Sorry for having to ask, but which one? Hopefully you are not referring to the Jett and Jahn show. lolScott it was{ 83 war} the one spanning ww1- the present,,,,,it is brilliant, thanks ,i have saved it

Read nº5 and nº11.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=954155&postcount=1

Let me help put things into proper perspective for you Jew lovers here: The blackest, black man is far more "White" than you can ever hope to be.

Hope that clears things up for you, Chump.

I didn't bring his family up, but if he is married to a non-White and has non-White children, you don't think that is relevant? (It happens, ala Melcur)

But as George said, I will wait for Scott to respond, as I honestly had never even heard of the man before this thread and I don't want to assume anything on hearsay.

The only problems with Scott's delivery is just a few minor things here and there, for example he should probably introduce himself in each video or have someone introduce him so that when his videos are spread out to the general public on DVD's they immediately learn his name and can thus gain a sense of who to search for online if they want to learn more and see more of what he's all about, the second problem is he may tend to drag out a point too long for the average attention span of today's ADD suffering American public. Those are the only two pieces of legitimate criticism anyone can really bring to the table against Scott. Anything else is distraction based rubbish especially considering that he's already explained everything else about himself that anyone might want to know ad nauseum and is an open book to new people just discovering him and his message for the first time.


Always open to and appreciative of any advice offered.

Keep something in mind though. I never thought of any of my videos being spread around on the net or on DVD. Most were made when I was just talking to a small audience who already had an idea of who I was. So wrapping it all up in a nice package was never a concern. I hate to think that it matter so much as to "who" I am, but apparently it does.. So point taken.

I do agree with you 100% on my dragging a point on for too long. I feel pressed to say so much and to say it in whatever way necessary to help various audiences grasp the concept..So I am often redundant. I'll work on it though. Learning as I go.. Feeling my way through it.. Having never intended to be in a position where ANYONE would be listening, so doing my best at every step along the way. Always room for improvement though and I have a LONG time ahead of me to work on it all (hopefully).

Going forward I plan to spend more time working with Mike (Delaney) and getting back to making production videos, such as these (some of my older ones):
YouTube - NWO and The Illuminati Myth
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/30505/War______By_Scott_Roberts__Our_Brother___/

This shit can be so overwhelming at times. Does that sound like weakness? Perhaps, but I won't rest or relent either way. There's just so much that needs to be done(on a short clock).. So I am doing my best, as many of you are as well.

Thanks for the solid advice.

The most censored man ever on Youtube, the man feared by the Jewish Internet Defense Force like no other, a man who Jews fear so much they continually hurl nasty threats at, have their fellow banking jews mess with his credit cards, mail box's of shit to him in typical disgusting cowardly jew fashion.


Well, my ex actually opened that package of human feces, so perhaps some here won't feel too much sympathy for her...but I assure you it was DISGUSTING.

And to think that this fat bastard might have been the one who sent it? http://theforbiddentruth.net/videos/1529/smile-youre-candid-camera.html

Scott it was{ 83 war} the one spanning ww1- the present,,,,,it is brilliant, thanks ,i have saved it

Ahh.... Thanks! I made myself tear up while making it. It truly is too much to hold in at times, when you think of all the MILLIONS of people who have suffered and died at the hands of these bastards. Wow... ONE life lost was too many, but the unimaginable loss of life over the past century ALONE goes beyond comprehension...yet it was all a reality in this Jew (infested) world.

Seriously, I couldn't even imagine these things in my worst nightmares. Yet the Jews have actually planned, conspired, and orchestrated countless crimes against humanity, all throughout history, and on a massive scale! Thinking nothing of the death and destruction they leave in their wake and repeating it every time we have rebuilt from the ashes.

Their evil truly knows no bounds and 9/11 is NOTHING compared to their long history of crimes against us. If the average person simply realized what they have done and what they are capable of doing, then Jews would know no quarter.

Until we fully understand 9/11, we can never expose the War on Terror as the fraud that it is. The jewish banksters are leading the world to the new world order, with them in charge, and these fucking jews continually fight against that truth coming out.

The truth of 9/11 is the death knell for judaism and the central banksters. It also means freedom for humanity. The jews obviously don't consider themselves part of humanity and therefore I don't consider them human either. They lack all the qualities humanity defines itself by.

BTW - who the hell are Jett and Jahn? Does anybody know? Because I don't know them and based on their little radio show, they don't know a damn thing about me either. They simply took a little bit of self disclosed truth and ran with it as far as they possibly could. Like I said, there are videos floating around where SOME of the pics are real images of me, my kids, and my friends, but MOST are full of images of people I have never met and kids I have not fathered. Yeah, I have my arms around some of the Black girls I used to work with, posing for a picture, but does that mean I was sleeping with them? Of course not, but that's what they try to imply.

They also suggest that I am part "African", while simultaneously calling me a "race traitor".. Well, it would obviously have to be one or the other, it couldn't possibly be both.
All I know about them, is that they began posting on SF several months back as a means to direct traffic to their website. They are just your typical leeches, who instead of posting links in the forum to a news article, they want to drag people away to their own site in order to get the actual link to the news article.

Why would you even pay any attention to what those squeaky-voiced know-nothing kids have to say? Why would you even post a link to their material?

Seriously Scott, you are too self-conscious and defensive.

Shy of maybe sending them an e-mail telling them to "fuck-off!" You shouldn't feel compelled to acknowledge them at all.

I know the story of your wife. I am not one of those morons who live in the fantasy world of the "one drop rule world." I tend to believe more in the Robert Mathews' "Look White, Act White, Fight White" doctrine, except in cases where there is an admixture of Negro involved, which to me is absolutely unacceptable, and that is because I only view two races as being "human," Asians and Caucasians.

As far as the way that you speak, you don't sound any different to me than many white guys who have joined the military and developed, as I can only best describe, as a niggerish sound. It doesn't matter what race or ethnicity that someone may be, they all seem to develop this niggerish sound after being inculcated with it day-in/day-out while in the confines of the "military culture."

It's like any other bad habit, you have to recognize it as a problem and then break the habit. I too found myself developing that niggerish sound under those circumstances and conditions, and I nipped it in the bud. Now people tell me that I have a "radio voice."

A funny thing is, I play Call of Duty online and sometimes use the name Mel Gibson, I have had people say that I actually do sound like Mel Gibson and have asked me if I really am him.

The funny thing about those Jett and Jahn characters, is that I could tell that they were from California, due to the Spiggerish tonal inflections they have in their voice. They are definitely byproducts of the California-Latrino school system.

"Does that sound like weakness? Perhaps, but I won't rest or relent either way. There's just so much that needs to be done(on a short clock).. So I am doing my best, as many of you are as well.

Thanks for the solid advice."

Not a problem my friend.

"Their evil truly knows no bounds and 9/11 is NOTHING compared to their long history of crimes against us. If the average person simply realized what they have done and what they are capable of doing, then Jews would know no quarter."

"The truth of 9/11 is the death knell for judaism and the central banksters. It also means freedom for humanity. The jews obviously don't consider themselves part of humanity and therefore I don't consider them human either. They lack all the qualities humanity defines itself by."

Great points and truths from you both.

I want to bring up an important point thats been on my mind for a while now that I think everyone needs to consider.

The biggest thing Jews do on WN sites is work to create a sense of dis-unity or stop a growing overall unity or consensus from developing among the group's membership.

Can whites work with non whites of a similar nationalist separatist freedom and self governance mindset to acheive a common goal?

Of course we can but will jew infiltrator's allow such a discussion to take place peacefully?

Of course they won't.

Unity of all races against the jew is very bad news for them if it were to occur which is why there are 10 or more Jew infiltrator trolls posing as white nationalists ready to subvert and destroy any growing unity from within at all times ready to break any growing discussions about unity by calling people that suggest such a "race traitor" "idiot" or someother well timed jew slander.

Despite the fact that major white nationalist leaders such as David Lane have said that our struggle isn't about hate of other races but preserving our own race, Dr. William Pierce said we could work with muslims as "the enemy of our enemy is our friend at least for a little while", and Tom Metzger spoke to the new black panther party about anti government feelings among both whites and blacks and George Lincoln Rockwell even tried to create unity with black muslims towards separation.

Jews don't want ALL races uniting against them.

They don't want strength in numbers coming against them.

Jews don't want ANY unity among whites and like minded non whites and will do everything in their power to subvert it and put a stop to it using every dirty trick they can along the way.

They want everyone divided so they can continue to use the blacks as their bioweapon of mass murder and rape against the white race while continuing to use their media to both psychologically program whites to not defend themselves from non white attack while at the same time blaming all non white's problems on whites instead of they themselves the jews who are really behind ALL of our major problems.

Now with this am I saying we should sing cumbaya and start hugging nigger murderers and rapists and saying welcome brother lets fight the jew together?

Fuck no.

I'm saying we can and we should work with LIKE MINDED SEPARATIST non whites towards a solution that would be beneficial to both of our groups and non whites that appear to be decent law abiding citizens or at least obviously not those that commit rape and murder for fun. We should work with such non whites towards the goal of freedom and self governance.

The jews fear this type of movement happening and they fear the 911 truth issue's focus turning towards them and their mossad as being the primary suspects behind the attacks instead of the Bush government.

Jews are on forums like this as Adam Austin of Subverted Nation would say to "cast a little doubt" and muddy the waters of whatever it is that is on whites minds as genuine concerns or ideas that could spark into something great for our people towards the cause of defeating the jew.

The primary goal of the jew and their behavior on such sites as this is creating dis-unity or preventing it from happening over any important issue to whites.

To close out this post a final idea to you Scott or rather the direction I think you should go whenever finances permit you to do so is not only to work with Mike Delaney but to also if possible have videos or radio shows where its you and say a Jew-wise black or Jew-wise Muslim discussing the Jewish problem. As many different Jew-wise whites and non whites that you could work with in a Scott Roberts Forbidden Truth themed radio show or video program. Doing this can I believe cut off the Jews angle completely that you are just some "skinhead neo nazi racist" who the public can ignore outright.

Even the brainwashed libtards would scratch their heads watching a video with say featuring you and Protheanview or Jack Doodle (blacks from Youtube) talking together about the Jewish problem.

They'd think to themselves white guy talking about jews must be racist yet here he is with black guys who are also talking about jews in a negative (media would call it racist) way...does not compute...must think about this...

Anyway something like this even more than your friend pictures of non whites and you together would probably go a lot farther a way towards breaking through the jew's brainwashing propaganda that says only whites are "racists" which is code for really saying only whites expose us jews for the sociopathic demons that we are.

And despite criticism's and infighting and other bad things that have happened between Delaney and John Allen Martinson Jr. the guy has an awesome narration voice and I think Mike and he should patch up their differences or at least you and John should work together on some video projects Scott even if he just does the narration for you.

To me it seems like you all could be the most effective as a full team, even getting that Adam Austin guy on board.

If only all four of you could collaberate together at least some of the time I believe we'd get some awesome projects cooked up from all of you that can awaken the public even greater than all of your incredible individual efforts.

From what I've seen you've been the most level headed person out of all of these people thus far Scott so maybe you could work some of your peace maker magic and get the three of them on board with you for something great.

Let's see, first time at the controls of a 767, with a plane-load of screaming passengers, knowing you're going to die shortly, undoubtedly with a serious hangover from getting plastered at a bar the night before, flying at almost 600mph...with the scenery zipping by at a blur...over 800 ft/sec, with an 11 to 22 mph crosswind, and, in the case of Flt. 175, you execute a banked turn, a precision course adjustment, with just seconds to go before impact, that an experienced pilot wouldn't have attempted...yep, piece o' cake.

What's wrong with you, Fredrick? Don't you know? Nothing is impossible for he who doesn't have to do it...especially if you're a Jew.

For Shlomo Shitstein here sitting in front of his computer, so what if you "go zig-zagging around", out of control..."just crash the damn thing, man", screw the fuckin' details; piece o' cake. ROTFLMAO!

All points we can discuss in the other thread. Suffice to say, however, parts of the turbine-engine were found, and it doesn't take a masterful pilot go zig-zagging around (not a sign of control, but lack thereof) and crash into one of the worlds largest office buildings. Heck, a person who's never sat behind a plane can land an airliner without problem with the only help being radio-communication. So, someone who's got a license to pilot commercial airliners and 600h of flight simulation shouldn't have a problem with crashing the damn thing.

I can't believe that everyone can't see that Scott is NOT White! Look at his slanted eyes.

I'd bet he was part Asian.

Clearly not White.

Let's see, first time at the controls of a 767, with a plane-load of screaming passengers, knowing you're going to die shortly, undoubtedly with a serious hangover from getting plastered at a bar the night before, flying at almost 600mph...with the scenery zipping by at a blur...over 800 ft/sec, with an 11 to 22 mph crosswind, and, in the case of Flt. 175, you execute a banked turn, a precision course adjustment, with just seconds to go before impact, that an experienced pilot wouldn't have attempted...yep, piece o' cake.

Maybe the guys previous job was as a bus driver in Detroit?

Hani Hani Hani...it sounds like you really know/knew him well. You paint such a clear picture. (Are you any relation to Herman Rosenblat?)

BTW, Shlomo, how do you know Hani was even on the plane? Do you have any proof, or are you just blowin' more smoke out your fat Jewish ass?


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Hani was aiming at the largest office building in the world (at least once it was the largest). Each day pilots in large jets aim at a point 750 (or about) down the runway and hit it within feet if they need, or want to. This means crossing the threshold of the runway these pilots are within feet of a 35 foot above the ground imaginary target sitting on the runway. This means Hani was crap, but he managed to drag in his large jet 15 or 25 feet below the 35 foot high target experience pilots hit each day at the end of every runway.

I doubt Hani understood how much plane was below him, thus his eyes, like all pilots, were the aiming origin. Often, when you first land a large jet, you get to level off 20 feet above the ground for a demo, then cut the power back and touch down. Therefore the perception to a new pilot is that he is 20 feet above the runway, while really he is on the runway with his big jet! For argument's sake, I bet Hani meant to center his jet on a wall, that means he missed.

Also, the jet was going over 534 mph when it hit the Pentagon, and the engines were full up. No one knows what Hani is aiming for, I assume he was trying to hit the center of the building wall, so he missed. But what is the point? A kid can fly a 757 and hit that building. Landing is harder than hitting a building and crashing, crashing is easy. Crashing comes for free when most pilots are trying not to.
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I can't believe that everyone can't see that Scott is NOT White! Look at his slanted eyes.

I'd bet he was part Asian.

Clearly not White.

Post a picture of yourself and let us judge who is the whiter of the two.

Otherwise, shut the fuck up!

This post shows the Stormfront affliction. A bunch of people typing stuff online is not a movement, and the idea it can be cleansed is pure video-game.

There is a world of difference between a political movement of flesh bodies in the real world and a bunch anonyms typing stuff online. The real-world group needs as careful a vetting of members as possible; online cleansing doesn't mean anything, all that matters is the rules set up by the admins are followed.

You can't be serious. Look at how the conflicts in this very thread are deflecting the topic, once the direction of the thread broke down into standard forum flaming, the discussion, and anyone else following the discussion, simply breaks down as well.

You said it yourself. To paraphrase, how can a such a blob of incompatible people like Jared Taylor and Ron Paul and Dr. Pierce and Nick Griffin be defined as "we"? Maybe it's because someone with the power to give form to this blob has never defined it otherwise for the ideology. If the leader doesn't want to draw the line for the follower then you should expect them to come up with every kind of viewpoint ranging from John Mccain being the last hope for America, to lizardmen living in the sewers control us with mind control devices.

How can you be surprised.

I can't Look white, I have a hooked nose, bulging eyes and shitty kinky hair.

Abbie, I'll see your slanted eyes and raise you that hooked nose of yours.

To close out this post a final idea to you Scott or rather the direction I think you should go whenever finances permit you to do so is not only to work with Mike Delaney but to also if possible have videos or radio shows where its you and say a Jew-wise black or Jew-wise Muslim discussing the Jewish problem. As many different Jew-wise whites and non whites that you could work with in a Scott Roberts Forbidden Truth themed radio show or video program. Doing this can I believe cut off the Jews angle completely that you are just some "skinhead neo nazi racist" who the public can ignore outright.

Even the brainwashed libtards would scratch their heads watching a video with say featuring you and Protheanview or Jack Doodle (blacks from Youtube) talking together about the Jewish problem.

They'd think to themselves white guy talking about jews must be racist yet here he is with black guys who are also talking about jews in a negative (media would call it racist) way...does not compute...must think about this...

Anyway something like this even more than your friend pictures of non whites and you together would probably go a lot farther a way towards breaking through the jew's brainwashing propaganda that says only whites are "racists" which is code for really saying only whites expose us jews for the sociopathic demons that we are.

And despite criticism's and infighting and other bad things that have happened between Delaney and John Allen Martinson Jr. the guy has an awesome narration voice and I think Mike and he should patch up their differences or at least you and John should work together on some video projects Scott even if he just does the narration for you.

To me it seems like you all could be the most effective as a full team, even getting that Adam Austin guy on board.

If only all four of you could collaberate together at least some of the time I believe we'd get some awesome projects cooked up from all of you that can awaken the public even greater than all of your incredible individual efforts.

From what I've seen you've been the most level headed person out of all of these people thus far Scott so maybe you could work some of your peace maker magic and get the three of them on board with you for something great.

I don't exclude non Whites from joining or actively participating on my site, and I have taken your suggested approach, to some degree, throughout.

Back when I was engaging ONLY in the "race debate"(Black and White issues, Black on White crime, the reality of race, etc...) "Jack Doodle" and I bumped heads in a major way. Then later on we "made the peace" in order to do exactly as you suggested (not that we ever worked on anything together, but he did join my site to share his videos, etc).

More to the point, I moved on from the basic "Black and White" stuff back in early 2008. These are still issues, of course, but they pale in comparison and amount to being nothing more than symptoms of a Jewish disease.

JAM:
I havent heard from JAM in a good long while. I hope he is OK, but I can tell you right now that there will be no peace between the two of them. There's simply no hope of that at all. Even if they didn't have personal issues, they have gone down two separate, nearly polar opposite paths, since working together.... with Mike leaning heavily towards the White Nationalist side and with JAM still denying race and/or taking a seemingly "pro Black" stance (last i heard).

BTW Adam Austin had a blowout on my site. He apparently doesn't like me very much and thinks I am some sort of an "agent" or something. Not sure of the thread, but it's still there somewhere. He even around still? I haven't heard a peep out of JAM or Adam in over 6 months.


I can't believe that everyone can't see that Scott is NOT White! Look at his slanted eyes.

I'd bet he was part Asian.

Clearly not White.

Asian?

Does my German/Scottish mother or Irish father look "Asian" to you? Where do you propose that I got this "Asian" (or African) blood from?

Did I get my blonde/red hair from my "Asian" looking mother? Well, it was blonde until I hit my mid 20's, guess my German genes weren't quite strong enough to counter those "dirty" red Irish genes my father passed along. Those damn "dirty" Irish should be quarantined or shot! With their "mudding" up the White race.

I do have an eye problem though. I am oversensitive to light and do a lot of squinting. Perhaps that is what you are referring to? Maybe I should pry them open with toothpicks next time I record a video.

My squinting eyes match my "Popeye" arms. All I need is some spinach and a pipe... But as Popeye once sang... I am what I am what I am what I am..

BTW - What are YOU? Either a JEW or a COWARD. There really is no 3rd option, since you could at least prove the 2nd one to be false, but choose not to. Short of your doing that, I will be assuming that you are both a Jew AND a coward, since I have nothing to go on other than your word and the words you have typed in this thread.

Well, I did spend much of 2006 in China, Taiwan, and Japan. Maybe I picked up some Asian DNA while I was there on business.

Abbie, I'll see your slanted eyes and raise you that hooked nose of yours.

What you need to raise him are a pair of testicles. He is obviously living without a set. I don't suspect he will be finding them anytime soon either...and you can bet the house and double down on that.

"Working" with non-whites is a ideological minefield. It can be done but you have to be very very precise on the nature of the relationship. Even the phrase "working with non-whites" might be too much. Would be better if you say; Coming to an understanding to where we both may proceed with finding our individual destiny. That might be a better way to call it.

No enlightened european man or woman wants to leave even a shred of doubt as to if there is a chance non-whites would be able to live amongst whites.

For example, Ahmedinejad has proven a thorn in the side of the jews and we all wish him the best and hope he does maximum damage to ZOG.

HOWEVER

All iranians without exception will not under no circumstances live in our countries.

Outside of that we can all co-exist peacefully.

Those who approach it like adam austin will never amount to more then a foot note in this struggle, his most basic foundation goes against nature's divine will.

I agree. We have to be careful with EVERYTHING we say, as well as the "hidden" messages we might send out to others.

As I always say, Nationalism, at it core, comes down to FREEDOM and SELF GOVERNANCE! And in order to be self governed and free, a people must remain completely autonomous. Influences from or concerns for others will only impede our progress. There's no place or reason for it. ONLY in a Jew world would anyone even suggest it (Jews, the non Whites who also choose to live as parasites, and some of the brainwashed/self hating Whites out there).

This sounds funny coming from me (or hypocritical), but NO exceptions can be made. A line needs to be drawn (in this day and age it would be easy to base that on DNA) and whatever the agreed parameters are, NO compromising can be made from that point. Even if there was a strict policy against "Celts" I would still die fighting to secure that freedom for the Whites who "qualified".

I could certainly respect and work with even the most extreme of Black Nationalists. They deserve their freedom as well and I would be more than happy for them if they obtained it... But you are right, the message would have to be clear at all times.

I agree if you meant they deserve freedom in the form of their own country, out of our country. Hell, we could even sit down with them and help them figure it out, we'd let them drive and police the boats back to Africa themselves, but not here and not anywhere the white man has claimed as his land, shed his blood to bring the light of compassion to a savage continent, and brought the wonders of civilization with him.

I am a proponent of Nationalism. PERIOD! That goes for ALL people, but especially my own. The OPTION has to be there, in the very least. IF certain people wanted to mix, then they would have a place for that.

ALL other people have their homelands secured already (not free from Jewish control and influence, but at least they are racially pure)...there are Asian countries, Black countries and a place for everyone else... But Whites have NO options left and therefor have an inherent and desperate need to adapt Nationalism as their most basic principle/requirement.

Once the Jews are effectively dealt with (completely removed and sent packing), then the rest will almost work itself out naturally. So 1st thing is 1st. No Gentile shall have his freedom, so long as Jews are calling the shots. An effective coalition can be formed in the same manner that Hitler formed alliances with non Whites during WWII. He was not suggesting they all mix and "mingle", but they did have common goals and a common enemy, so it only made sense to (temporarily) unify against them. In the very least, there is NO harm in having a mutual understanding with other Nationalists, whether working together or not.

Since you have experience with steel, what is your best guess at how the WTC towers were brought down? (If you've stated your opinion, I missed it, this is a long thread.)In my opinion, the towers were brought down using controlled demolition. You need to understand that the towers were built around an internal skeleton of steel. When the fireballs erupted,we all saw the heavy black smoke. Black smoke indicates a lack of oxygen in the fire. To cut the steel structure is quite simple, if you know how. You cut away the concrete surrounding the steel and then place a shaped charge with a layer of thermite to increase the heat. When you detonate the charge the blast and the heat given off by the thermite cuts straight through the steel. You do this on the lower floors so that when it goes off, there is nothing holding up the building which then collapses under it own weight. Thermite is NOT a natural substance and it leaves a residue that was seen in photographs of the remains of the towers before all the remaing pieces were quickly destroyed. The planes hit further up the towers than where the collapse started and tower 7 was never hit at all. Yet all 3 towers collapsed the exact same way. We have to remember that there were radio reports from the firemen inside the 2 towers which state that the fires are just about out. If The heat was stong enough to melt steel encased in concrete, those firefighters would not have been alive to deliver those reports and the collapse happened just minutes later. I used to work in a foundary, so I know that the fireballs would never have produced the constant heat needed to melt steel surounded by concrete.

Guys, that is a pregnant idea.

The World Nationalists Society
A Worldwide Society of Micro Nationalists
A Place for Every Race

I think you might have struck on an idea that everybody "could" get on board with. Multicult sux and the world knows it in spite of the yids. The American, spoon-fed, nigger might be the only ones who would balk at such a concept. They are happy to do nothing and suck on the white man's wallet.

I can't believe that everyone can't see that Scott is NOT White! Look at his slanted eyes.

I'd bet he was part Asian.

Clearly not White.

Is it your high standards for 'male beauty' that give you inspiration to stay with WN? or maybe you're just disappointed that Scott wasn't 'pretty' enough to make this thread.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=119825

I think if he would take off those high heels and put on some pumps, his view would be much better, and I'm sure that thong is digging into his wrinkled old ass.

Wolfgang was spinning records 'back in the day' for homopalooza down in good old semite heaven and they all behaved like gentlemen according to him.

Hardy HAR!

Interesting.

Do you plan to stop posting on SF now?

That would mean giving up, which is simply not an option. Sorry. Not going to be that easy for you.

That question wasn't directed at you Scott Traitor Roberts. I was asking the guy who was still posting on SF at the time that post was made.

I'm pretty sure you won't stop...you're like a junkie looking for his next SF fix.

(You can know add one more check to your count now. :D)

That question wasn't directed at you Scott Traitor Roberts. I was asking the guy who was still posting on SF at the time that post was made.

I'm pretty sure you won't stop...you're like a junkie looking for his next SF fix.

(You can know add one more check to your count now. :D)

Why so hostile?

This thread's up to 100 pages, and 49K views. Woot!

I can't believe that everyone can't see that Scott is NOT White! Look at his slanted eyes.

I'd bet he was part Asian.

Clearly not White.

How much do you get paid to fill this thread with insults and name calling?
T.J.B.

Why so hostile?

Hostile? You consider that post hostile...really?:o

Hostile? You consider that post hostile...really?:o

Well, one of the definitions of "hostile" is "having or showing unfriendly feelings", so yeah...

Hostile? You consider that post hostile...really?:o

Yep, hostile. Most of your posts here have been either hostile or passive aggressively veiled hostility...sorry to say....

50,000 views, I bet JB's ears are ringing off the hook. :D

50,000 views, I bet JB's ears are ringing off the hook. :D

I wonder how long this thread will last? I say we keep this one going.

JB was telling me that where he lives there's a gas station that gives free sex with a fill up. He said he hasn't won, but his daughter and wife win all the time. :D

Yep, hostile. Most of your posts here have been either hostile or passive aggressively veiled hostility...sorry to say....

Perhaps SugarBritches is a diabetic and needs to lay off the sweets?

Yep, hostile. Most of your posts here have been either hostile or passive aggressively veiled hostility...sorry to say....

Uh huh...and yours have been a bundle of puppies and kittens Mick.

Since Scott Traitor Roberts decided to quote and answer a post that was made 3 weeks ago to someone else, he brought it on himself.

(Another one just for you Scott. That would be number 2 for the day.:D)

Kosher Kommando and Sidekick Appeal Conviction
For Hooking Up With Niggers To Process And Smuggle Cocaine

United States of America, Plaintiff-appellee, v. Stephen D. Black and Joe D. Hawkins, Defendants-appellants

United States Court of Appeals, Fifth Circuit. - 685 F.2d 132

Aug. 24, 1982

Patrick C. McGinity, New Orleans, La., for Stephen D. Black.

David F. Craig, Jr., New Orleans, La., for Joe D. Hawkins.

John P. Volz, U. S. Atty., Lindsay A. Larson, III, Asst. U. S. Atty., New Orleans, La., for plaintiff-appellee.

Appeal from the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana.

Before CLARK, Chief Judge, GEE and GARZA, Circuit Judges.
PER CURIAM:

1
The facts of the appeal are unusual. In the spring of 1979, defendant Perdue presented a proposal to the deposed prime minister of Granada that included forming a group of mercenary soldiers to overthrow the Granadan government. The island of Dominica was to serve as a jumping-off spot. This plan was subsequently replaced by one to overthrow the Republic of Dominica. Several parties were brought into the plan, including appellants Hawkins and Black. Perdue's lieutenant Wolfgang Droege, an acquaintance of Hawkins, explained the plan to Hawkins. Hawkins not only joined the group but introduced Perdue to a person who contributed $13,000 to help finance the coup. Black was introduced to the group through one David Duke, an associate of the Ku Klux Klan. Perdue had discussed his plans with Duke from the outset, and Duke suggested that Black might be interested in joining in the coup. After hearing the details, Black stated that he would both join and try to recruit others. Perdue chartered a boat to carry the mercenaries and equipment to Dominica. The captain of the vessel, however, reported him to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and an undercover agent was assigned to the vessel. The agent was informed by Droege that they hoped to set up a cocaine refining plant on the island. On the night the vessel was to leave for Dominica, ten men, including Black and Hawkins, were arrested with all their military equipment.

2
All ten were indicted in a seven-count indictment. Seven pleaded guilty to violating the Neutrality Act in exchange for the dropping of the remaining six counts. Black, Hawkins, and a third defendant, Norris, stood trial before a jury. Norris was acquitted, but Black and Hawkins were convicted on two counts: violating the Neutrality Act and conspiracy. They appeal, asserting that their trial was rendered unfair by the admission in evidence of a Nazi flag found on another defendant, of testimony about the cocaine refining plan, of their codefendants' guilty pleas, and by references to Duke and the Klan. We affirm.

3
David Duke and the KKK

4
It was at the request of the defense, however, that each individual venireman was examined concerning David Duke and the KKK. All those veniremen who became jurors stated that it would not influence their decision. Pursuant to Rule 24(a), Fed.R.Crim.P., the trial judge is vested with broad discretion in the conduct of voir dire, and absent an abuse of discretion and a showing that the rights of the accused have been prejudiced thereby, the scope and content of voir dire will not be disturbed on appeal. United States v. Harper, 505 F.2d 924, 925 (5th Cir. 1974). The only other evidence relating to the Klan was an unsolicited response by a government witness that was not emphasized to the jury. There was no error here.

5
The Nazi Flag

6
Appellants contend that the Nazi flag was irrelevant because it was owned and being carried by another defendant at the time of the arrest. Again, the trial court is afforded wide discretion in determining whether evidence is relevant or prejudicial. United States v. Brown, 547 F.2d 1264, 1266 (5th Cir. 1977). 18 U.S.C. § 960 states that it is illegal to aid in any "military or naval expedition" against a friendly nation. The Nazi and Confederate flags were introduced, along with military fatigue clothes, canteens, knives, assault rifles, and other military gear to show the military nature of the group, as well as to counter appellants' contention that their motive was to defend America against Communism by joining the Dominica defense forces and putting down a Communist insurgency there. In these circumstances, we cannot say that the court erred in concluding that the flag's relevance outweighed its prejudice to the appellants.

7
The Cocaine Refining Plant

8
Appellants claim that they had no interest in producing drugs and therefore that this testimony should have been excluded. Black and Hawkins conspired with others for the common purpose of overthrowing the government of Dominica and of setting up the Nortic Corporation. They admitted that they were each to be granted a percentage of Nortic. The statement by the coconspirator Droege was relevant to show that this was a money-making scheme in order to rebut the argument that appellants were merely fighting Communism. It is not critical whether Black and Hawkins actually knew of the cocaine operation. "The conspirators need not know each other nor be privy to the details of each enterprise comprising the conspiracy ... as long as the evidence is sufficient to show that each defendant possessed full knowledge of the conspiracy's general purpose and scope." United States v. Becker, 569 F.2d 951, 961 (5th Cir. 1978), cert. denied, 439 U.S. 865, 99 S.Ct. 188, 58 L.Ed.2d 174 (1979).

9
Testimony about the Guilty Pleas

10
The only real issue in this case is whether the court erred in allowing the coconspirators to testify as to their guilty pleas. "A defendant is entitled to have the questions of his guilt determined upon the evidence against him, not on whether a government witness or a codefendant has plead guilty to the same charge." United States v. Fleetwood, 528 F.2d 528, 532 (5th Cir. 1976). "We nonetheless recognize that under some circumstances the government might have a legitimate evidentiary reason for bringing out testimony relating to its witnesses' prior convictions, even when those convictions are for charges similar or identical to those upon which the defendant is being charged." Id. Factors to be considered in evaluating the impact of a witness' guilty plea are the presence or absence of a limiting instruction, whether there was a proper purpose in introducing the fact of the guilty plea, whether the plea was improperly emphasized or used as substantive evidence of guilt, and whether the introduction of the plea was invited by defense counsel. Id.

11
Here the judge gave an instruction requiring the jury not to consider the guilty pleas of the coconspirators when deciding the three defendants' guilt. Likewise, the government, in closing argument, told the jury not to regard the coconspirators' guilty pleas and either to convict or acquit the defendants on the evidence adduced at trial. Two of the coconspirators testified for the defense, and their guilty pleas were brought out in crossexamination in order to impeach their testimony on direct that they had no knowledge of a planned coup. Impeachment is a sufficient and proper reason for admitting evidence of a witness' guilty plea. United States v. Fleetwood, supra.

12
The other five coconspirators were called by the government to implicate the three defendants. Each witness testified on direct examination that he pleaded guilty to attempting to overthrow the lawful government of Dominica, and each testified that he had plea bargained with the government. The government claims that the sole purpose of this testimony was to disclose the nature of the plea agreements on direct examination so as to avoid having the issue first raised on cross-examination, leaving the jury with the impression that the government was not being fully candid.

13
While we recognize fully the highly prejudicial nature of this evidence, we conclude that in view of the court's limiting instruction and of the presence of several of the other Fleetwood factors-a proper purpose and a want of undue emphasis or attempted use of the pleas as substantive evidence of guilt-the court's broad discretion in passing on such matters was not abused here.

14
AFFIRMED.

"Affirmed" means that the original convictions were upheld by the Appeals Court.

Perhaps SugarBritches is a diabetic and needs to lay off the sweets?

A protein-shake perhaps? ;)

JB was telling me that where he lives there's a gas station that gives free sex with a fill up. He said he hasn't won, but his daughter and wife win all the time. :D
LOL

Fillerup!

Perhaps SugarBritches is a diabetic and needs to lay off the sweets?

Not diabetic thank goodness.

I'd be willing to share some though...you seem like you could use a little sweetness Robert.
:)

A protein-shake perhaps? ;)

Feed her hunger and her fantasies at the same time!